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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q3
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Executives

Claire Yenicay - Executive Vice President, Investor Relations and Corporate Communications Steven Price - Executive Chairman Bill Wilson - Co-Chief Executive Officer Dhruv Prasad - Co-Chief Executive Officer Stuart Rosenstein - Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Analysts

Michael Kupinski - NOBLE Financial Capital Markets Kyle Evans - Stephens, Inc. Barry Lucas - Gabelli & Company.

Operator

Good morning. And welcome to Townsquare's third quarter 2017 conference call. As a reminder, today's call is being recorded and your participation implies consent to such recording. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation.

[Operator Instructions] With that, I would like to introduce the first speaker for today's call, Claire Yenicay, Executive Vice President. Madam, you may proceed..

Claire Yenicay Executive Vice President of Investor Relations & Corporate Communications

Thank you, operator. And good morning to everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Townsquare's third quarter financial update. With me on the call today are Steven Price, our Executive Chairman; Bill Wilson and Dhruv Prasad, our co-Chief Executive Officers; and Stuart Rosenstein, our CFO and Executive Vice President.

Please note that, during this call, we may make statements that provide information other than historical information, including statements relating to the company's future prospects.

These statements are considered forward-looking statements under the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projections.

These statements reflect the company's beliefs based on current conditions, but are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that are detailed in the company's annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC, and we incorporate these by reference for this call.

We may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, and make certain pro forma adjustments. Such non-GAAP financial measures should be used in conjunction with all the information contained in the quarterly and year-end reports available on our website. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Steven Price..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Thank you, Claire. Good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining us on this morning's call. As you all know, I was recently named Executive Chairman, and two long-tenured senior executives at our company, Bill Wilson and Dhruv Prasad, were appointed co-CEOs.

Bill and Dhruv have both been with Townsquare since 2010, the year our company was formed, and they have been intimately involved with all of our key strategic initiatives and decisions over the past several years. They are the ideal candidates to lead the company on a day-to-day basis.

In my new role as Executive Chairman, I will continue to help direct our long-term strategy, alongside Bill, Dhruv and our Board of Directors. I am pleased to have them both join me, and Stuart, today to discuss our third quarter results. We have accomplished some great things over the past few years.

When we launched Townsquare in 2010, we did so with approximately 60 radio stations and nearly 100% broadcast revenue.

Over the course of seven years, we took those radio stations and built a local media company, encompassing 317 radio stations across the country, a digital content business with more than 50 million unique visitors per month, a digital marketing solutions business with approximately 12,000 subscribers and a diverse Live Events platform.

Our core local business is performing well and on plan for the year. Townsquare's future is bright. And I'm confident that our business is in the right set of hands with Bill and Dhruv. With that, I'll turn the call over to Bill. .

Bill Wilson Chief Executive Officer & Director

Good morning, everyone. It's a pleasure to speak with you today and I look forward to meeting many of you in the future. I'm very excited to work with Steven and Dhruv in my new role as co-CEO of Townsquare and I have great confidence in the future of this company.

Prior to my new role, I was our Chief Content and Digital Officer, where I focused on strategies to create and distribute live, local and compelling content across our numerous platforms.

Over the last several years, not only have we significantly grown the digital audience of our brand's websites and mobile apps, but we have also built a large-scale audience for our brands on social platforms, video platforms and via Live Events, which reflects our strategy to be the center of information, entertainment and commerce in each of our local markets.

Townsquare's core business premise is to monetize these deep audience relationships by connecting our audiences to local celebrities and social influencers they trust, information they need, products and services they want, and things that matter most to them.

I am excited to lead the premier local advertising and marketing solutions company serving the heartland of America. I came to Townsquare from AOL, where I was President of AOL Media, in 2010 because I believed there was an opportunity to build a meaningful digital business in small and mid-sized markets.

Since joining Townsquare, we have made great strides in capturing that opportunity. For example, we organically built profitable growing digital businesses with Townsquare Ignite and with Townsquare Interactive.

Today, I believe – even more strongly – there is still a significant upside to our digital opportunities in our current market portfolio, as well as other markets that share the same characteristics. Additionally, I'm very confident in the continued organic growth of our core multi-platform Local Advertising and Marketing Solutions business.

In our new roles, Dhruv and I will share leadership responsibilities and have joint oversight across all divisions and operations of the company.

However, in order to make sure we continue to move quickly and ensure efficient decision-making, I will focus day-to-day on our Local Marketing Solutions business where, as you know, we recently promoted Erik Hellum to COO, Local Media and the continued evolution of our digital strategy and operations.

Similarly, on a day-to-day basis, Dhruv will focus on finance, HR, corporate strategy and M&A, external communications and investor relations, and continue to oversee our Live Events division. Now, I will hand it over to Dhruv to discuss our third quarter results..

Dhruv Prasad

Thanks, Bill. I am very excited to work with you, Steven, Stuart, Erik and the rest of our senior management team and the employees that drive our business forward every day.

Turning now to our third quarter results, in total, and as a result of issues in our Entertainment segment, which we will discuss in a few minutes, third quarter net revenue of $164.1 million fell just short of our guidance and represented a 1% decline from the prior year. Excluding political, revenue was approximately flat to the prior year.

Third quarter adjusted EBITDA of $39.7 million also fell short of guidance and represented a decline of $5 million or 11.1% over the prior year. As we will discuss, our Local Marketing Solutions segment has remained on plan throughout the year and has delivered strong growth, even in the absence of political revenue.

However, our Entertainment segment has had a difficult year and those challenges continued in the third quarter. We believe the important takeaway for investors is that our Local Marketing Solutions segment delivered its 15th consecutive quarter of positive organic revenue growth in the third quarter despite the loss of political revenue.

Third quarter revenue in this segment increased 1.7% over the prior year and 3% excluding political revenue. Overall, our markets are performing well and we're pleased with our Local Marketing Solutions results this year.

Our multi-platform Local Advertising Solutions, our track record of product innovation and our experienced sales force have helped us to drive industry-leading growth in our LMS segment and great results for our customers.

In 2017, key developments have included the launch of our individual station mobile apps, which are now available for roughly two-thirds of our stations and will soon be available for all of our stations; the ramp up of our programmatic advertising product, Townsquare Ignite; and the continued growth of our digital marketing solutions business, Townsquare Interactive, which now serves approximately 12,000 small and medium-sized businesses, an increase of 1,300 subscribers since year-end 2016.

On September 30, we closed on the acquisition of six radio stations in Pittsfield, Massachusetts and are excited to implement the Townsquare playbook and business strategy to accelerate growth in this complementary market, which fits nicely into our northeast regional cluster that already includes markets in New York, New Jersey, Connecticut, Maine and New Hampshire.

In the third quarter, net revenue for our Entertainment segment was $73.6 million, a decline of 4.1% from the same period in the prior-year.

As we discussed on our second quarter conference call, our Entertainment results in 2017 have been meaningfully impacted by the decline in revenue and profitability of the Insane Inflatable 5K, our touring fun run property, as well as the decline in our National Digital business.

Together, these two factors accounted for more than 100% of our third quarter revenue decline in the Entertainment segment. In addition to the revenue shortfall, we also experienced a decline in the profitability of our Entertainment segment.

In addition to the two factors we've already referenced, the third source of this shortfall was North American Midway Entertainment, or NAME, as we refer to it, our carnivals and fairs business. At NAME, we faced two significant issues in the third quarter, which combined to increase our operating expenses in this business by 14% over the prior year.

First, and by way of background, we are reliant at NAME on the H-2B visa program to source temporary foreign workers. And like many other seasonal industries, such as hotel lodging and landscaping, we've used this program for a number of years with great success.

Unfortunately, as a result of actions taken by Congress, the visas available for foreign workers under the H-2B program in 2017 were significantly fewer than in prior years. This resulted in a significant increase in our operating expenses as we had to find short-term solutions to replace the work force we traditionally sourced from abroad.

These solutions were significantly more expensive and less effective than the H-2B program. Although Congress authorized a doubling of the H-2B cap in May, the Department of Homeland Security did not implement this measure until late July. While this was a welcome fix, it came too late to positively impact our expenses in the 2017 season.

To compound matters further, our transportation costs escalated significantly following the hurricanes that hit Texas and Florida, as prices for contract, freight, drivers and transportation temporarily rose as stock was redirected to supply emergency relief in those states affected by hurricanes.

The net effect of these two issues was a perfect storm for our financial results at NAME in this quarter and into the fourth quarter. Importantly, however, despite these disruptions, NAME was able to fulfill all of its contractual commitments in the third quarter and our client fairs were able to open and operate on schedule.

While we are disappointed with our Entertainment segment financial results this quarter and likely for the remainder of the year, we were also grateful for the dedication of our employees, who were able to continue to operate the business in the face of significant exogenous disruptions.

Nevertheless, and as we've noted in recent quarters, our Entertainment segment is not meeting our financial expectations. Therefore, Bill and I are conducting a comprehensive review of Townsquare's Entertainment portfolio.

The objective of this process will be to determine which parts of our business align with our core mission, which is to deliver compelling content to audiences and market-leading solutions to customers and which have the highest potential to deliver profitable growth to our company and attractive returns on capital to our stakeholders.

Without prejudging our conclusions in this regard, as a result of this review, we may reorganize certain aspects of our Entertainment segment to reallocate our capital and human resources to more productive pursuits.

While we implement corrective action in our Entertainment segment, our operating focus and growth plans will be centered on our Local Marketing Solutions segment, the core of our company and where we have a sustainable competitive advantage in our markets.

Therefore, while we will be revising our guidance for fiscal year 2017 on this call as a result of the issues in our Entertainment segment noted earlier, we would reiterate that the core of our business, the Local Marketing Solutions segment, remains healthy and on plan.

Specifically, for the fourth quarter and full-year 2017, we expect our Local Marketing Solutions segment to deliver positive revenue growth with and without political revenue. And Stuart will provide more details in a few minutes.

Turning to our balance sheet, our business continues to generate high levels of free cash flow that support our liquidity and leverage position. Going forward, it is our intention to use this operating free cash flow principally in two ways.

First, to fund investments that can deliver long-term revenue and profit growth to our Local Marketing Solutions segment. And, second, to de-lever our balance sheet on a net basis. While we are comfortable operating at our current leverage levels, we feel that it is prudent to continue to pursue further deleveraging.

In addition, we anticipate that we will be in a position to return capital to shareholders by the end of 2018, most likely in the form of a dividend. With that, I will now turn the call over to Stu for further details on our financial results..

Stuart Rosenstein Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Dhruv. And good morning, everyone. For the quarter ended September 30, 2017, net revenue was $164.1 million as compared to $165.8 million in the third quarter of 2016. In the year-to-date period, net revenue was $393.2 million as compared to $397.3 million in the prior-year period.

This represents a decline of 1% year-over-year in both periods. Excluding political revenue, net revenue was nearly flat in both periods. Local Marketing Solutions net revenue increased by 1.7% or $1.5 million in the third quarter.

For the year-to-date period, Local Marketing Solutions net revenue increased $6.1 million or 2.4% over the prior-year period. Political revenue declined approximately $1 million in the third quarter from $1.3 million in the third quarter of 2016 to $200,000 in the third quarter of 2017.

Excluding political revenue, Local Marketing Solutions net revenue increased 3% or $2.6 million in the third quarter and $8.6 million or 3.5% in the year-to-date period compared to the prior-year periods. Third quarter Entertainment net revenue declined $3.1 million to $73.6 million, a decrease of approximately 4% from the prior year.

Year-to-date, net revenue declined $10.3 million to $136.2 million or approximately 7% from the prior-year period. As Dhruv discussed earlier, the decrease in our Entertainment net revenue was largely driven by the decline in our Fun Run series and the decline of our National Digital revenue.

Excluding those properties, Entertainment net revenue would have been flat to the prior year. Total direct operating expenses increased 2.9% in the third quarter and 0.9% in the year-to-date period compared to the prior year periods. The increase in expense was driven by increases across both segments in the third quarter.

Local Marketing Solutions expenses increased approximately 4% or $2.2 million in the third quarter, largely due to an increase in headcount-related expenses needed to support revenue growth. Entertainment expenses increased by approximately 2% or $1.2 million in the third quarter.

Excluding the increases in NAME expenses, as discussed earlier, Entertainment expenses would have declined in the third quarter. In the year-to-date period, Local Marketing Solutions expenses increased approximately 4.8% and Entertainment expenses declined approximately 4%. Adjusted EBITDA for the quarter ended September 30, 2017 was $39.7 million.

This represented a decline from the prior-year period of approximately $5 million. In the year-to-date period, adjusted EBITDA was $75.1 million, a decline of approximately $6.8 million. Depreciation and amortization expense for the quarter increased $900,000 or 15.2%, primarily related to the amortization of capitalized software development costs.

Net interest expense for the third quarter of 2017 decreased less than $100,000 or approximately 0.8%, primarily due to repayment of debt as well as the repricing of our term loans in the first quarter of this year.

For the third quarter of 2017, we reported diluted net income of $0.51 per share or net income of $14.3 million, a $1.6 million decrease to the third quarter of 2016. We'd like to remind you that the provision for income taxes included on the face of the income statement is for GAAP financial statement purposes only.

We maintain significant tax attributes, including $111.3 million of NOL carryforwards and other substantial tax shields related to the tax amortization of our intangible assets. We continue to believe that we will not be a material cash taxpayer until approximately 2021.

We ended the quarter with a cash balance of $53.3 million and had revolver capacity of an additional $50 million. We believe we have sufficient liquidity available to us to operate our business over the next 12 months and service our debt in the ordinary course.

As of September 30, our total debt balance was $571.9 million and our net leverage was 5.2 times at the end of the third quarter. This is based on trailing 12-month adjusted EBITDA as of September 30, 2017 of $100 million. And as of today, the company has approximately 27.5 million shares outstanding, inclusive of warrants.

Turning now to our guidance, as Dhruv mentioned, we are undergoing a review of our Entertainment business and it is continuing to underperform our financial expectations.

As such, to help our investors better understand our results and our outlook, we are going to provide a little more color on 2017 than we usually do by providing guidance for each of our segments.

Our guidance incorporates potential one-time restructuring and reorganization expenses associated with the ongoing strategic review of our Entertainment segment. For the remainder of 2017, we expect the Local Marketing Solutions segment to remain on plan as it has been year-to-date.

Based on current pacing, we expect full-year 2017 Local Marketing Solutions net revenue to be between $349 million and $352 million, inclusive of approximately $2.2 million of political revenue. And we expect direct operating expenses to be between $234 million and $236 million.

This represents fourth quarter Local Marketing Solutions net revenue growth of greater than 5%, excluding political revenue, which would make it the strongest quarter for LMS this year.

Due to the negative trends we have discussed in our Entertainment segment, including declines in our Fun Run series, our National Digital businesses and NAME, we expect full-year 2017 Entertainment net revenue to be between $161 million and $163 million and direct operating expenses to be between $154 million and $156 million.

2017 corporate expense is expected to be between $25.5 million and $26.5 million. This results in 2017 total net revenues of between $510 million and $515 million and adjusted EBITDA of between $95 million and $100 million. In short, while our Entertainment segment has struggled in 2017, our LMS segment continues to perform at plan.

Now, I will turn it back to Dhruv for closing remarks..

Dhruv Prasad

Thanks, Stu. And thank you to everyone who dialed in this morning. Bill and I are both very excited to lead Townsquare going forward and we are confident that we can continue to grow our business and deliver value to our stakeholders.

To summarize our near-term objectives, they are, one, to drive further growth in our Local Marketing Solutions segment where we continue to see strong ROI and great results. Two, to implement corrective action for our Entertainment segment. And three, to return capital to shareholders in the back half of 2018.

We're also looking forward to the opportunity to further develop relationships with many of you on this call and to discuss our strategic plan for Townsquare. And with that, we are now happy to open the call up for questions.

Operator, will you please open up the lines?.

Operator

Yes, thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Michael Kupinski with NOBLE Financial. Please state your question..

Michael Kupinski

Thank you and good morning.

In terms of your Entertainment business, have you been – have you seen any other impact on the level of attendance at your events, possibly related to impacts from concerns over security and things like that?.

Dhruv Prasad

We have. As you know, the Las Vegas shooting occurred right at the beginning of the fourth quarter. so, we didn't see any impact in Q3 from the tragedy in Las Vegas. However, going into fourth quarter, for some of our major events, we have seen impact.

And our outlook in that regard is reflected in our guidance for Entertainment for the year and for Q4..

Michael Kupinski

Got you.

And did that also affect sponsorships?.

Dhruv Prasad

We haven't seen an impact on sponsorships..

Michael Kupinski

Okay. And then….

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

I would also add to that. Going into next year, we haven't seen that affect pacing for our music festivals. In fact, most of our music festivals are – as you know, are rural settings where we have the land and we control the environment and we have security. And, historically, that hasn't been an issue and that wasn't the kind of issue in Vegas.

And we've seen actually good pacing for the festivals going into next year..

Michael Kupinski

Got you. And can you just describe – part of the strategy was that the company would be looking at additional M&A activity and rolling up a lot of these markets and getting economies from some of the smaller, rural markets. Can you describe your appetite for M&A at this point? It sounds like you are kind of shifting strategy to pare down debt.

And if you are interested in further M&A, what is the current M&A environment like?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

I would say, to Dhruv's comment on capital allocation, it has a number of attributes. First is, if we can make acquisitions where we get a high ROI, then it's – in conjunction with that, it's making sure that we are deleveraging, so that we can consider with the board a dividend in the back half of next year.

And so, I would say if anything, our – in the last, I would say, six months, our appetite has shifted probably more to local market, local radio as opposed to some of the event type of things that we had looked at in the past. And part of it is because we've seen our LMS, our local business, has grown well and has been on plan.

And we feel confident that we can go take local radio stations that fit our criteria, right? Dominant clusters, live and local personalities, small to mid-sized markets, good market share.

If we can find stations like that – Pittsfield is a great example of that – we feel confident that we can roll out our digital, our marketing services and the local events revenue streams on top of that.

So, we are actively looking at different radio opportunities, but more so than in the past and more so in connection with probably spending less time looking at bigger-event acquisitions. In terms of the market, it's about where it was, though I wouldn't say the floodgates have opened. There are some one-off kinds of things.

Pittsfield was a good example. There are a few things like that. And there's a range, but I wouldn't say that we've seen a dramatic shift in the M&A market over the past few months or this year that either nothing is for sale or everything is for sale. I think it is sort of about where it was..

Michael Kupinski

In terms of Local Marketing Solutions, obviously, one of your growthier areas, what is the opportunity with that? You are at currently 12,000 accounts.

What is the addressable market? And what other types of products and services can you offer to keep that line item growing?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

It is quite large. Our focus is small to mid-sized businesses, including very small businesses in our markets. There are something like 700,000 or 800,000 of those in our markets. Now, is everyone a perfect target for us? Not everyone.

The big hospital probably needs a more complicated, or the big bank that wants to do banking – there are some business in town that – they really don't fit with what we are doing. But the vast majority of that number does need digital marketing solutions and that's what we offer.

And we are balancing, prudently building up the business, building up customer service and adding sales reps sort of as fast as we can within the confines of the fact that it is an investment each time you add a sales rep because they are not profitable month one. It takes some lead time. So, we think that there is a lot of opportunity there.

And we have been adding products all along. So, we added a mobile site just this year. We've added helping those clients do programmatic advertising. So, there's – we've been adding products to that Townsquare Interactive business and we still see a lot of runway there.

Bill, would you add anything else?.

Bill Wilson Chief Executive Officer & Director

No..

Michael Kupinski

Got you, thank you. That's all I have..

Operator

Our next question is from Kyle Evans with Stephens. Please state your question..

Kyle Evans

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. Stuart, you referenced pacings in 4Q on the LMS side that were going to drive above 5% growth ex political. What are the key drivers of this growth? And I've got some follow-ups. Thanks..

Stuart Rosenstein Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

I think it's our multi-product approach to the marketplace. We can go in and we can get clients to buy more than just 30-second spots. When you walk into a client and you can actually partner with them and help them achieve their goals, it makes a big difference..

Kyle Evans

What's the unit pricing trend on those 30-second spots?.

Bill Wilson Chief Executive Officer & Director

Our AMR has been holding really steady. Slightly increasing every quarter this year..

Kyle Evans

What is the target leverage you have to hit by the end of 2018 that could put us in capital return mode?.

Bill Wilson Chief Executive Officer & Director

I would say in the 4s..

Kyle Evans

Got you.

What is driving the weakness in your National Digital?.

Bill Wilson Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hey, this is Bill. As Dhruv mentioned earlier, we made a strategic review of the business earlier in Q3. And we were driving top line revenue, but the cost of that revenue, because of the branded content, heavy video production, we decided to really focus programmatically there moving forward.

Our audience is very strong, but much more profitable for us to grow programmatic moving forward..

Kyle Evans

Okay.

How much of the business was branded content when you made that decision?.

Bill Wilson Chief Executive Officer & Director

Our top line revenue was roughly 40%..

Kyle Evans

And I think you referenced flat Entertainment if you exed out Fun Run and, like, digital. I guess, given some new event wins for NAME, that seems light.

You talked about the cost side and the headwinds you faced there, can you talk a little bit about what you saw on an event-by-event basis or same-event basis year-over-year for revenue in the NAME business?.

Dhruv Prasad

Sure, I'll take that. So, as you know, we don't disclose event-by-event results. With that said, a portion of some of the new event wins that you are referencing hit in Q4 as opposed to in Q3. So, flat year-over-year. We had a lot of puts and takes over the course of the quarter.

But as you referenced, we are flat year-over-year other than the Fun Run and the National Digital business..

Kyle Evans

Can you detail a few puts and takes just to help us get some perspective on that flat?.

Dhruv Prasad

Sure. I would say, with respect to WE Fest, which was our largest music festival in Q3, that was the only music festival, only major music festival this year where we experienced a revenue decline from the prior year.

We anticipated that and had invested in some key operating areas like our VIP services program and the infrastructure at WE Fest to drive growth there going forward..

Kyle Evans

Okay, thank you..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question is from Barry Lucas with Gabelli & Company..

Barry Lucas

Close enough. Good morning. I'm going to come back to the leverage question.

If the target is kind of into the 4s, is that a combination of additional EBITDA from acquisitions, divestitures? Or maybe put a different way, is there a target absolute debt or net debt level that you have in mind?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Yes. So, when we think about that, and Dhruv mentioned where we wanted to be towards the back half of next year in terms of thinking about returning capital to shareholders, he did not take into account acquisitions. So, that was – we will have a robust cash position at the end of the year. And as you know, we generate cash.

And given some of the issues that we had, we expect our EBITDA will grow.

So, it's sort of a combination of less gross or net debt, however you want to look at it, and improved EBITDA will get us into that, I don't know, mid 4s when our board has said, and we've stated since for a while, since we refinanced our debt that, in that mid 4 area, we would consider returning capital to shareholders..

Barry Lucas

Okay..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

We can see it pass to that. To the extent that there are divestitures of certain pieces, that would help and maybe help accelerate that. Obviously, if there were interesting acquisitions that might – that you use cash, that might somewhat delay that. But our goal, as we've said, is to de-lever and to march towards that.

So, we're going to be prudent when looking at acquisitions to do it in a manner that tries to meet all of the objectives..

Barry Lucas

Great. Could you talk a little bit about the timing of this process? I'm not sure how formally you've laid it out.

But at what point in time might we expect to hear something substantive about the direction in which you are going?.

Dhruv Prasad

Yes. Barry, this is Dhruv. I think you should expect to hear something more substantive from us as it relates to that process early next year..

Barry Lucas

Okay. And maybe last item.

If we just think about NAME when the acquisition took place, where there any other parties that were looking at it or under-bidders?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

We don't know. We do know – we had a relationship with the former owners and we talked to them. There had been processes in the past. We don't know if, at that moment, they were talking to a few other people or not. But we are thinking about lots of different pieces..

Barry Lucas

Okay. Thanks for that, Steve. Appreciate it..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Yeah. Thank you, Barry..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the call back over to Dhruv for closing remarks..

Dhruv Prasad

Thank you, everyone, for dialing in this morning. We hope you have a great end of the year and happy Thanksgiving..

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today's conference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation..

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