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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2016 - Q4
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Executives

Claire Yenicay - Executive Vice President, Investor Relations Steven Price - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Stuart Rosenstein - Chief Financial Officer and Executive Vice President.

Analysts

Leo Kulp - RBC Capital Markets Kyle Evans - Stephens Michael Kupinski - Noble Capital Markets Barry Lucas - Gabelli & Company Jim Goss - Barrington Research Associates Rachel Arrowood - Macquarie Bank.

Operator

Good morning and welcome to Townsquare’s Fourth Quarter and Year End 2016 Conference Call. As a reminder, today’s call is being recorded and your participation implies consent to such recording. [Operator Instructions] With that, I would like to introduce the first speaker for today’s call, Claire Yenicay, Executive Vice President. Thank you.

You may proceed..

Claire Yenicay Executive Vice President of Investor Relations & Corporate Communications

Thank you, operator and good morning to everyone. Thank you for joining us today for Townsquare’s year end financial update. Also on the call today are Steven Price, our Chairman and CEO and Stuart Rosenstein, our CFO and Executive Vice President.

Please note that during this call, we may make statements that provide information other than historical information, including statements relating to the company’s future prospects.

These statements are considered forward-looking statements under the Safe Harbor provision of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 and are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from those projections.

These statements reflect the company’s beliefs based on current conditions, but are subject to certain risks and uncertainties that are detailed in the company’s annual report on Form 10-K filed with the SEC and we incorporate these by reference for this call.

We may also discuss certain non-GAAP financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA and make certain pro forma adjustments. Such non-GAAP financial measures should be used in conjunction with all the information contained in the quarterly and year end reports available on our website. At this time, I would like to turn the call over to Steven Price..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Thank you, Claire. Good morning, everyone and thank you for joining us today. 2016 was another good year for our company. We grew revenue, EBITDA, net income and cash flow and we reduced net leverage by approximately half a turn to less than 5x meeting our year end goal.

We reaped the benefits of having a diversified platform as we were able to deliver growth despite weathering some adverse conditions in our Entertainment segment. We made some strong additions to our corporate team and strengthened our local management teams in some of our largest markets.

Net revenue for the year increased 3% over the prior year and approximately 2% excluding political and adjusted EBITDA increased 4.1% over the prior year. The fourth quarter marked the 12th consecutive quarter of positive organic revenue growth in our Local Marketing Solutions segment.

This quarter, we posted revenue growth of 5.1% over the prior year period. For the full year, our Local Marketing Solutions net revenue increased 5.1% over the prior year on a pro forma basis. Our strong results were driven by the success of our local products and offerings, which offset a drag from our energy markets and national revenue.

Looking forward, we feel optimistic about a turnaround in our energy markets, although it’s too soon to tell when that will begin to take hold. While the sentiment in these markets is positive, we haven’t yet seen that turn into revenue improvement.

Operationally, we launched some new products in 2016, including individual mobile apps for our stations, with 100 already available today and the remainder being rolled out throughout 2017.

We believe it is critical for our audience to have effortless mobile access to all of our stations’ content and our apps provide users the ability not just to listen to the stream but also access all of the great local content our on-air personalities are creating.

Townsquare Interactive, our digital marketing solutions business, continued to expand rapidly, ending the year with approximately 10,700 subscribers, up over 30% from 2015. Overall, we feel that we are well-positioned across our local market footprint going into 2017.

Our Entertainment segment faced some adverse conditions and 2016 net revenue declined approximately 1% over the prior year period on a pro forma basis.

As we have discussed in other calls over the course of the year, the negative factors were the challenging environment in the music festival space and the unusually poor weather conditions at our third quarter fairs. Excluding our music festivals and bad weather fairs, entertainment revenue would have increased approximately 3%.

While this wasn’t the outcome we are hoping for in our Entertainment segment, it highlights the benefits of our diversified revenue strategy as we were still able to deliver total revenue growth. Looking forward, we are cautiously optimistic that we will see improvements in our entertainment business in 2017 and certainly in 2018.

We maintain our belief that while weather may impact results, in a particular quarter as it did in 2016, over the longer term, the impact of weather will balance itself out. We believe our music festivals are well-positioned to thrive and grow in coming years as a less crowded competitive landscape will benefit Townsquare’s festivals.

Our music festivals are strong and healthy. We have leading festival brands built around a regional strategy with the benefit of marketing from our surrounding radio and digital properties.

It’s still early to gauge what impact festivals will have on our results in 2017, but we are seeing positive pacing from many of our second quarter multi-day music festivals. I am pleased to announce that NAME, our carnival business, won another significant contract with the Arkansas State Fair.

This is a top 50 North American fair, with approximately 450,000 attendees and has the benefit of falling in the fourth quarter, helping mitigate the seasonality of the NAME business.

A smaller piece of our Entertainment segment is our national digital business, which continues to operate one of the leading digital advertising platforms focused on music and entertainment content. We achieved more than 50 million unique visitors each month.

We are building a strong video business both for our local and national brands and now have 1.5 million YouTube subscribers across our 385 YouTube channels who consume 900 million minutes of content in 2016.

During the year, we bought back approximately $20 million of our bonds at a slight discount and reduced our net leverage from 5.5x at the beginning of the year to 4.9x by year end. Our focus will remain on delivering strong organic growth across our multi-product platform and chipping away at our leverage with our medium-term net leverage goal of 4x.

As we approach our medium-term net leverage goal, we will begin to examine returning capital to shareholders, potentially in the form of a dividend although it will lead to further evaluate the best allocation of capital when that time arrives. And with that, I will now turn the call over to Stu for further details on our financial results..

Stuart Rosenstein Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Thank you, Steven and good morning everyone. As a reminder, our 2016 results discussed today are on a pro forma basis meaning they are pro forma for all material M&A activity as if they occurred at the beginning of the recording and comparison periods.

We had no such transactions in 2016, so the transactions that are relevant to the pro forma results are the acquisition of NAME, which we acquired in September 1, 2015 and the divestiture of 43 of our towers, which was also completed on September 1, 2015.

Therefore, there are no pro forma adjustments required in the fourth quarter results of this year. Please refer to the table that we have provided in our earnings release, which provide both GAAP and pro forma results as well as our non-GAAP performance measures.

Unless otherwise stated, all of the financial results discussed will be on a pro forma basis for these completed acquisitions. For the quarter ended December 31, 2016, net revenue equaled $119.5 million, up approximately $6.5 million or up 5.8% from the same period of last year.

Fourth quarter revenue fell within our previously issued guidance of $117 million to $121 million. For the year ended December 31, 2016, net revenue increased 3% or approximately $14.9 million over the prior year. Local Marketing Solutions net revenue increased by 5.1% in both the fourth quarter and the full year period.

This represented an increase of approximately $4.4 million in the fourth quarter and $16.5 million for the full year. Political revenue increased $3.5 million to $5.3 million in the fourth quarter of 2016, slightly exceeding our expectations, but less than the amount booked in the fourth quarter of 2012, the last Presidential election year.

For the year, political revenue was $9 million. Excluding political revenue, Local Marketing Solutions increased approximately $900,000 or 1.1% in the fourth quarter and $10.4 million or up 3.2% in 2016 compared to the prior year. Fourth quarter entertainment net revenue increased 8% or $2.1 million year-over-year, driven primarily by growth at NAME.

As a reminder, the fourth quarter is the second smallest revenue quarter in this segment, representing approximately 16% of the Entertainment segment’s full year revenue and the majority of fourth quarter entertainment revenue is related to NAME.

For the year, entertainment net revenue declined slightly compared to the prior year, approximately $1.6 million or less than 1% to $174.7 million.

As Steven mentioned, we have previously discussed at length our 2016 performance was negatively impacted by the challenging dynamic in music festivals and poor third quarter weather conditions for several of NAME’s fairs. Total direct operating expenses increased 3.7% in the fourth quarter and 2.9% for the entire year.

The increase in expense for the full year period was driven entirely by increases in Local Marketing Solutions expenses and was primarily related to costs associated with the digital marketing solutions business and the launch of new products.

Our Entertainment segment’s expenses declined slightly in the full year period, largely related to lower revenue. Adjusted EBITDA for the fourth quarter of 2016 was $24.9 million, an increase of $3.8 million or 18% from the prior year period and was within our fourth quarter EBITDA guidance.

For the year ended December 31, 2016, adjusted EBITDA increased approximately $4.2 million or 4.1% to $106.8 million.

On an as reported basis, depreciation and amortization expense for the year increased $6.4 million or approximately 36%, primarily relating to the depreciation on property and equipment acquired through the acquisition of NAME and amortization of capitalized software development costs.

Also on an as reported basis, interest expense for the year ended December 31, 2016, decreased approximately $1.9 million or approximately 5.3% due to the refinancing of our debt at more favorable rates on April 1, 2015 and the repayment of debt in 2016.

For the year, we reported net income of $23.3 million or $0.85 per diluted share as compared to $0.37 per diluted share in 2015 on an as reported basis. Adjusted net income, which excludes approximately $8 million of one-time items was $28.1 million or $1.03 per diluted share.

We would like to remind you that the provision for income taxes included on the face of the income statement is for GAAP financial statement purposes only. We maintain significant tax attributes, included $111.3 million of NOL carry-forwards and other substantial tax shields related to the tax amortization of our intangible assets.

We continue to believe that we will not be material cash tax payer until approximately the year 2021. Adjusted EBITDA less interest, CapEx and taxes, what we consider to be a proxy for free cash flow, was $51.6 million in 2016, equating to $1.89 per diluted share.

We saw year-over-year improvement due to the increase in EBITDA and reduction in interest expense as a result of our April 1, 2015 refinancing and our debt pay downs. We ended the year with a cash balance of $51.5 million and had revolver capacity of an additional $50 million.

We believe we have sufficient liquidity available to us to operate the business over the next 12 months and service our debt in the ordinary course. As of December 31, we had total debt of $579.2 million. Over the course of 2016, we repurchased approximately $20 million of our unsecured senior notes at prices below par.

At year end, our total and net leverage was 5.4x and 4.9x respectively based on 2016 adjusted EBITDA of $106.8 million.

Just last month, we capitalized on market conditions and received strong support from our term loan lenders, allowing us to execute and amend our term loan facility, reducing the interest rate on our term loan by 25 basis points, which we expect to result in approximately $750,000 of annualized interest expense savings.

This transaction has a 6-month payback period. We would again to thank our term loan holders for their support. Finally as of today, the company has approximately 27.4 million shares outstanding inclusive of warrants.

Turning now to our 2017 outlook, for the full year 2017, we expect net revenue of $525 million to $535 million and adjusted EBITDA of $105 million to $109 million. This represents net revenue, excluding political growth of 3% to 5%. Adjusted EBITDA is expected to be relatively flat compared to last year.

However, if you adjust for political revenue, we expect adjusted EBITDA growth in the mid single-digits. We also expect CapEx to be approximately flat to 2016. We expect first quarter net revenue to be between $88 million and $90 million and first quarter adjusted EBITDA to be between $9.5 million and $10.5 million.

There are a number of factors that impact year-over-year comparison for the first quarter. The first factor to consider is that we will not have the same level of political revenue as we did in 2016. As a reminder, we have generated $1.4 million of political revenue in the first quarter of 2016, which had the benefit of the presidential primaries.

A more comparable period for the first quarter of 2017 would be the first quarter of 2015 where political revenues was approximately $300,000. The second factor, which is similar to last year, is the timing of NAME’s Miami-Dade County Fair. Six more days of the 24-day fair fall in the second quarter of 2017 as compared to last year.

We expect this will translate to approximately $1 million of EBITDA that will shift from Q1 to Q2 of this year. Overall, however, we are budgeting for the 24-day fair to be up year-over-year.

Last year, as you may recall, we sold the group of our small consumer shows as part of a concerted effort to streamline our events portfolio and focus on events with stronger growth prospects. These events had approximately $1 million of revenue in the first quarter of 2016 that will not be repeated in 2017.

In addition, we expect our national digital business to be off approximately $1 million in revenue compared to the prior year as we focus on fewer, more profitable deals. As a result, revenue will decline but EBITDA will show a slight improvement for this business. All of these factors are considered in our first quarter and full year guidance.

And with that, I will now turn the call back over to Steven..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Thanks Stu and thank you, everyone who dialed in this morning. In summary, we continue to believe in our diversified local strategy and in the long-term trajectory of our business and we feel well positioned going into 2017 to achieve the guidance we laid out.

As always, we will be focusing on balancing the proper mix of investments in growth for our business in order to build shareholder value. Today, we also released our annual shareholder letter, which I encourage you all to read. Please do not hesitate to call us with any questions or just to check in.

And with that, we are now happy to open the line for questions.

Operator, will you please open up the call?.

Operator

Thank you. We will now be conducting a question-and-answer session. In the interest of time we ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up and re-queue for any additional questions. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Leo Kulp with RBC Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question..

Leo Kulp

Okay. Good morning guys. Thanks for taking the question. So first, could you just talk a little bit about what you are seeing in the live events business, are you seeing any changes to the competitive environment in terms of fewer events.

And then going forward, from a high level, how are you thinking about the growth profile of the business, is it a low single-digit grower or mid single-digit grower, can it be a high single-digit grower?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Thanks Leo. It’s a little early to say what we see in the environment for live events, because a lot of our live events are in the first quarter, during the second, third and some extent fourth quarter. But from what we have seen in terms of pacing and advanced ticket sales and all that stuff, it seems fine.

I don’t see any real change in how people are reacting and what people are planning to do. In terms of growth, if you are thinking growth just in the live events business or overall, we don’t break out in our guidance segments.

But if you are asking in general for the live event business, do we think that the growth profile could be low, high or single-digits, I would say yes. I don’t mean it would be strategic, but part of it depends on what events we do if we decided to add events, to test different events.

So to some extent, we regulate that a little bit and we balance things. But we see that business as a definite grower and not as a drag. So we are still – the thesis that we had that’s excited about the event businesses and what we can do and the things we can do remains..

Leo Kulp

Got it. Thanks.

And then on Townsquare Interactive, it looks like the growth – your growth in customers there is pretty strong, I know you don’t break it out, but can you talk about the growth profile there and then is that an area that you would look to augment with acquisitions?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Yes, so we haven’t made acquisitions in that area. We have built that organically, as you know. To the extent that we could find interesting acquisitions in that space, we would definitely look there. They tend to be not that many and the ones that are there tend to be expensive. So we have decided to build it organically.

But it definitely has been a good, I don’t know, 30% kind of north grower. I mean – and we think that that’s a good – that’s what it was in about ‘16 in terms of subs if you do the math.

Listen, our small to mid sized clients not only want to advertise with us, but they also want us to help them with their digital marketing solutions and Townsquare Interactive meets that and is continuing to roll out new products and we are quite bullish in that part of our business..

Leo Kulp

Got it. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kyle Evans with Stephens. Please proceed with your question..

Kyle Evans

Hi. Thanks..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Hi Kyle..

Kyle Evans

Maybe a little commentary on what you are seeing in core radio ad sales so far in 2017? And then I have got a clear follow-up as well..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Okay. So remember, we have talked about it, we don’t break out – so we don’t really look just at radio sales. So we look at in one of our markets. So in Portland, Maine, what are we sell in – what suite of products are we selling to local advertisers and how much money can we get from the local advertiser, how much wallet share.

And if they buy a radio ad or a mobile or a video or a digital ad or of course something else, we are happy. And that’s how our sales team is compensated based on sort of wallet share and total revenues and that’s how we think about it. So – and I think that’s probably a more relevant question, is what do we see in the local market.

I would say like and I have seen the comments from lots of folks so far who released earnings, we are about the same in the sense that we don’t see any real – any huge difference. Obviously, there was a little bit of uncertainty around the election, which we have talked about on our last call. I think that’s the one.

But I wouldn’t say it’s, my God, we are seeing the most unbelievable double digit, triple digit growing or well, this is a disaster, something is going on. I think it’s sort of a pretty nice stable feel.

Okay, maybe still we are waiting to see what’s going to happen with the political environment and some of these other things, but it’s an environment where we think we can grow. But I wouldn’t see – say that we would see any real change compared to middle to end of last year..

Kyle Evans

Thanks.

What is – when we look at the guide for the year, what are you thinking – how are you looking at NAME in ‘17 off of ‘16, are you looking – were you looking for that to be flat, up or how should we think about that in our model?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

So we are looking for it to grow. Now, we don’t break out individual line items. And that would – that hasn’t been our practice. It’s to give an overall guidance number. But we think NAME will grow. And the season hasn’t started yet. It starts in Miami in a couple of weeks if anyone is going to be at the Dade County Fair, it’s a terrific fair.

But it’s still it’s early to say. But we feel good about the prospects for NAME. That hasn’t changed..

Kyle Evans

Okay. Thank you..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Okay. Thanks Kyle..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Michael Kupinski with Noble Capital Markets. Please proceed with your question..

Michael Kupinski

Thank you. Just have a couple of quick questions here.

Just going back to what you stated about festivals, it seems like other mediums, including newspapers, have indicated efforts to grow non-traditional revenue, are these different types of events that you are seeing coming from them or are they – are you just not seeing competition in your markets from these mediums trying to get into this space?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

So I haven’t heard any of our local or regional folks say they are seeing new events or increased competition from events done by broadcasters or newspaper companies, I haven’t heard that. That doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist in isolated situations, but I have not heard that from our local or regional folks..

Michael Kupinski

Got it. And I recall that there was a prospect that you would be able to sell some additional towers.

Can you give an update on the prospect of doing that?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Yes. I mean we sold many to most of our towers or certainly many or most of the ones that we could monetize at that time. So I think if we do sell any additional towers, I don’t think you will see anything candidly near the same level of purchase – of proceeds.

And that’s not something – so the deal we cut with the folks that we sold to was that then they were going to try to – they had the right to go lease up the towers that we kept with some kind of a rev share, obviously, tilted in our favor and to the extent that they got significant rental income on those towers, it’s more likely that then we can go sell that to them and they are in that process now, but I don’t think you are going to see anything from us, etcetera, isolated ones we chose it.

Mike by the way, happy birthday..

Michael Kupinski

Thank you so much. I appreciate that.

In light of the proposed CBS Entercom transaction, has there been any increased M&A activity or are you seeing anything on that front?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

We haven’t seen – I assume you are talking about the small families or smaller groups. Yes, we haven’t seen that at all. We are hoping so, but we have not seen those people say, hey, now is a good time to sell or test the waters or capitulate on price.

A lot of those folks you have talked to over the past couple of years, they are feeling pretty good, they are throwing off lots of free cash flow. They won high prices and that’s not something that we are in a position to go do. So while that may change, we haven’t seen that change yet..

Michael Kupinski

Got it.

And just on another front, are there any states that you think might be susceptible to an ad tax, any thoughts on the potential impact on your business if you are seeing them in any particular state that might affect you?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

To be candid, we haven’t spent a lot of time looking at that issue state-by-state. So I couldn’t really give you a coherent – an answer. I really couldn’t give you an answer on that..

Michael Kupinski

Okay, alright, that’s all I have. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Barry Lucas with Gabelli & Company. Please proceed with your question..

Barry Lucas

Hi good morning Steve, a couple of items.

I want to come back to Mike’s question on M&A, you have amended and extended the – or amended the credit agreement, you have got the revolver capacity, as you look around the landscape to some of your more stressed peers, shall we say, what do you think the opportunities might be out of either Cumulus or iHeart [ph] or…?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Alright. Well, I should probably ask you. I would say today, probably not a great opportunity for us in part because of the leverage levels. So if they sold assets and both of them have nice assets that potentially would be interesting to us, if they sold it, those assets, at levels that we could pay, it wouldn’t be deleveraging for them.

So I think then they would look at it is a leveraging transaction and not really create an equity value for them. So I am not sure we haven’t seen either of those two companies be willing to entertain serious discussions with us. Now that could change, but we haven’t seen that..

Barry Lucas

Okay.

And as far as your own balance sheet target levels, where you might get more aggressive? Do you have – do you feel you have to get the leverage down into the 4s or?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Yes. I mean, we have said that our near-term target was on a net basis 5x and a mid-term will get down to 4, in the low 4s. But even if we get down to those levels, I don’t think we are going to be so aggressive as to – what do – what we think of as overpaying for assets.

So, I mean might we be a little more aggressive? Maybe, but I don’t think our goal will be to get down to and I am making this up, get down to 4x just so we can lever back up to 6x. That’s sort of not the way we are thinking about capital allocation today..

Barry Lucas

Great.

Last there for me, as long as you are wanted to speak about or speak to the local markets, you have some energy markets in North and South Dakota and Texas, and what are you seeing in those communities?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Yes, and in Wyoming. So I’d say talking to our local folks, they feel like it’s going to get better, but they haven’t seen it in the numbers. It’s probably the simplest way – I mean, I can give you three paragraphs, but I would summarize that would be where we would come out. They feel like things are getting better.

The sentiment seems to be better in those markets. Prices are going up. There is going to be hopefully – potentially more drill and the like, but they haven’t really seen that in a significant way in terms of the numbers..

Barry Lucas

Great. Thanks very much for that, Steve..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Okay. Thanks, Barry..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Jim Goss with Barrington Research Associates. Please proceed with your question..

Jim Goss

Thank you. I was wondering to the extent that you mentioned the addition of the Arkansas State Fair, which is a fourth quarter event to NAME.

Are there other such non-Q3 fairs that you think might be a possibility to target that may not have the professional management that you would bring to the table?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Potentially and we are trying. I mean, the folks – the team at NAME is pretty good at understanding the landscape of fairs, understanding what our geographic footprint is.

So, if there was a first quarter fair, but it was in California then that might not be something that makes sense just in terms of getting the team and the equipment out there and then back. It has to route correctly. But yes, we think there are some additional opportunities and the team is focused on those..

Jim Goss

The other area where you talked about expanding NAME was to take advantage some of the downtimes to have some individual events.

I am just wondering if you have been able to reshape it at all or the characteristics are pretty much what you had bought in the first place?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

It’s a combination. I mean, there is – they have a nice routing and nice units that know what they are doing. But as we said, we had tested using some of the downtime to do what we will call self-promoted fair last year. And I think that will continue this year. That’s our plan..

Jim Goss

Okay. One other thing you mentioned, Steven, was the music festival area was somewhat challenging.

I was wondering what the issue seems to be whether you think they are temporary in nature or something sustainable and how the MSG link might have impacted your efforts in that area?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Yes. So I didn’t – I don’t think I said that today. I think we have said that in the past that last year was challenging and it maybe – and that was really a result of two things. A lot of people starting festivals over the past few years and therefore making it a crowded space, which then does two things.

One, it makes it crowded, so you have – people have choices and therefore you may get fewer attendees or you have to lower prices in order to attract them, number one. And number two, talent prices go up, because if you are making up a country music star, you have more choices. There are – and therefore, people bid it up.

So – and the live nation and other folks who are in that space of being in a sense the sellers of talent have done a very nice job for them and their clients of doing that.

And as that – and we think we saw it last year, as that, I would say, bubble cracks a little and there are fewer festivals, which there will be – we expect there will be this year versus last year then we are somewhat optimistic that those two dynamics will start to move in our favor.

So, I don’t think it’s – when we look at it today, it’s not more challenging in ‘17 than it was in ‘16.

In fact, we were a little more worried going into ‘16 about the festivals than we are this year, because we didn’t know as many were going to sort of close and it looked a little more ominous in terms of the competitive landscape, but we will see as it moves closer to summer..

Jim Goss

Okay and maybe just one last. Okay, thank you..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Sure. Thank you..

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Amy Yong with Macquarie Bank. Please proceed with your question..

Rachel Arrowood

Hi, this is Rachel for Amy.

Could you please give us an update on the partnership with MSG? Have you realized any near-term venue opportunities or chances for sponsorship or ad cross-selling?.

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Yes. Actually, I do not think you also mentioned MSG, so I apologize I forgot to address. Listen, as we said last August and September when MSG made the investment, we are excited that they are a shareholder. We remain excited. We talk to them. We bounced off of them. They bounced off of us. So, all that’s positive.

I don’t – we are not going to get into specifics how much it’s going to add to the bottom line this year or in the next few years for either us or them. I would say we are talking to them about a handful of projects. We hope some of them come to fruition. Maybe one or two of them this year come to fruition.

I am not sure they are not going to have a material effect on our financials certainly in the near term, but there will be nice projects. And they have been helpful, helping us get through some issues. So all-in-all, I am pleased, although I don’t think you will see it significantly in our numbers..

Rachel Arrowood

Okay, thanks..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Okay, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the call back over to Steven Price for closing remarks..

Steven Price Executive Chairman of the Board

Great. Thank you everybody for joining us early on a Monday. We appreciate it. As you go through the earnings statement in the shareholder letter, if you have any questions, don’t hesitate to contact Claire, Stu, me or anyone else here. Thanks and have a great day..

Operator

This concludes today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time. Thank you for your participation and have a wonderful day..

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