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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2016 - Q4
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Executives

James L. Janik - Chairman, President and CEO Robert McCormick - EVP and CFO.

Analysts

Josh Chan - Robert W. Baird & Co. Jim Giannakouros - Oppenheimer Steve Dyer - Craig Hallum Capital Group. Michael Shlisky - Seaport Global.

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the Douglas Dynamics Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions will be given at that time. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this call maybe recorded.

I would now like to introduce your host for today’s conference, Mr. Bob McCormick, Executive Vice President and CFO. Please go ahead, sir..

Robert McCormick Consultant

Thank you. Welcome everyone and thank you for joining us on today’s call. Two quick items before we begin. First, please note that some of the information that you will hear during this call will consist of forward-looking statements, within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934 as amended.

These statements express our expectations, anticipations, beliefs, estimates, intentions, plans and forecasts. Because these forward-looking statements involve risks and uncertainties, our actual results could differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements.

For more information regarding such risks and uncertainties, please see the sections titled Risk Factors, Forward-Looking Statements and Management’s Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations included in our Form 10-K for the year ended December 31, 2015 filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission and the impending updates to these sections in our quarterly report on Form 10-Q.

Second, this call will involve a discussion of adjusted EBITDA, a non-GAAP financial measure, which under SEC Regulation G, we are required to reconcile with GAAP. Reconciliation of this measure to the closest GAAP financial measure is included in today’s earnings press release, which is available at douglasdynamics.com.

Joining me on the call today is Jim Janik, our Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer. Jim will begin by providing an overview of our performance. Then I will review our financial results before turning it back to Jim to discuss our outlook. After that, we’ll open the call for your questions.

Jim?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Thanks, Bob and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us. We closed the year with solid results especially given that the winter hasn't been very cooperative in our core markets for the second consecutive year.

Our fourth quarter results were driven by the addition of the Work Truck Solution segment in July and continued strong performance at Henderson which was partially offset by lower sales Work Truck Attachment segment as we expected.

For the fourth quarter net sales were approximately $130 million, producing net income of approximately $10 million or $0.44 per diluted share.

Following two successive years of record results, combined with very low snowfall coming out of the previous winter of 2015 and 2016, we didn't anticipate reporting record results for our commercial snow and ice products for third year in a row.

The teams at WESTERN, FISHER and SNOWEX have done an admirable job working through the tough weather conditions and we are pleased with their performance under the circumstances. I'm also delighted to report that the Henderson team continued their strong track record of growth and produced another record performance for 2016.

On a positive note, we continue to see pockets of dealer optimism about their 2017 prospects despite low snowfall in most parts of the country. We expect this winter to end with below average snowfall totals overall. If you want to look in more detail, snowfall was inconsistent both in location and in timing.

For example, October and November were very warm and saw a little winter weather. December returned to strong snowfall in some of our core markets which resulted in average fourth quarter snowfall across North America.

Overall as five of the six months of winter are over, while some markets in the Northeast saw only slightly below average snowfall, we are going to be well below average across North America for the second year in a row. Chicago is an extreme example with no measurable snowfall in January or February for the first time on record.

These factors will undoubtedly have an impact on the pre-season order period for our commercial snow and ice control products.

However, our most recent look at dealer field inventory taking at the end of January indicated inventories were only marginally higher than the same time in 2016, which is in-line with our expectation and bodes well for the coming year. As many of you know, we also track select North American pickup truck sales.

The latest data shows continued growth with select North American pickup truck sales increasing 5% in January 2017 when compared to January 2016. Overall, the takeaway should be that the non-snowfall indicators continue to look positive for our commercial products.

Of course this was also our second quarter including results from our Work Truck Solutions segment which we acquired in mid-July. Adding this complementary portfolio of services and products is helping to drive deeper customer relationships and strengthens our geographic footprint.

It has really rounded out our offering and has expanded our capabilities into a full range of commercial Work Truck vehicles. The Work Truck solution segment performed in line with our expectations in the fourth quarter and we continue to expect great things from that team going forward.

As many of you are also -- are already aware that Douglas Dynamic's management system or DDMS is an important factor that differentiates our company. Continuously improving service and quality for our customers is not so secret, secret [ph] is our success.

It will continue to be instrumental in driving value creation opportunities with any acquisition we complete. We've made good progress with TrynEx and Henderson and are off to a good start with Work Truck Solutions as well.

Having said that we continue to refine DDMS in our commercial snow and ice control business where the progress began more than 10 years ago. So as we've done each quarter for the past year or so I'd like to share an example of a recent DDMS initiative. An important component of DDMS is education.

In 2017 our commercial snow and ice control teams are implementing what we are calling a change agent development program. Through training and education, we will enhance the ability of another 125 associates to drive performance improvements in critical areas of growth, margin, quality, delivery and safety.

This train and view approach will follow three critical learning modules. In addition to each classroom training session, teams will also deploy in the field within our manufacturing, supply chain, product development and support functions, to identify and implement improvements.

The three highly focused modules, will build on each other in specific order. First, standardizing work, stable and predictable defined processes, where waste can be easily identified.

Than secondly, measuring results, the ability to use highly accurate data to further define and prioritize opportunities and then finally, implementing solutions, structured tools and techniques that teach proactive root cause problem solving, to drive new levels of performance and sustained improved results.

The program allows us to multiply the number of improvement activities we can undertake, but in a very controlled and systematic manner. Essentially we will be empowering many more people at all levels of the company with the knowledge to improve customer experiences.

In the early stages of this program our newest change agents have already increased productivity in two of our assembly cells by up to 20%. They have proved several opportunities for improved first pass yield and made complex safety and ergonomic enhancements. It's important say, that this kind of process will never stop at our company.

The idea that all the ripe fruit has been picked does not work for us. We can always improve. Now I’d like to discuss our dividend. As we reported on December 9, we paid a quarterly cash dividend of $0.235 per share, on the company’s common stock on December 30, 2016.

Once again the Board and the management have agreed, it is appropriate to increase the dividend this year and have declared a quarterly cash dividend of $0.24 per share for the first quarter of 2017, which equates to a projected full year annual increase of $0.02 per diluted share.

The dividend will be paid on March 31, 2017 to stock holders of record on March 21, 2017. Aside from the dividend, we remain committed to using our excess capital to reduce our debt and pursue strategic acquisitions.

We are continually tracking companies that would be a good strategic fit, with our offering and we will pursue logical deals while maintaining our disciplined approach. As we have always stated, we focus on the factors within our control.

Our flexible business model enables us to quickly adapt to changing circumstances and utilizing DDMS allows us to improve every year. While 2016 unfolded better than we had imagined at the start of the year, the implementation of our low Snowfall Playbook was an important part of our plan and we will be continuing to use the playbook this year.

As I just mentioned, we are continuing our DDMS journey in our core operations and are entering a crucial second stage with our Henderson brand, as initial success has to be translated into DDMS becoming engrained in that business.

The first two quarters with Work Truck Solutions has produced promising results, but again there is a lot more we can do to address new opportunities in that segment. With that, I’ll turn the call back over to Bob, to discuss our financial results in more detail.

Bob?.

Robert McCormick Consultant

Thanks, Jim. Before I began, I just want to remind everyone, that we created two reporting segments in the third quarter of 2016. First, the Work Truck Attachment segment, which includes our original business, focused on manufacturers, snow and ice and fleet [ph] equipment for both the municipal and commercial markets.

And Second the Work Truck Solutions segment which resulted from the acquisition of Dejana and includes the up-fit of market leading attachments and storage solutions for our commercial work vehicles.

Also as you will see in this press release, our results for the full year include the impact of the Work Truck Solution segment for the period of July 18, 2016 through December 31, 2016, following the completion of the deal. With that said let me walk you through the results. Overall the results were positive and in line with our expectations.

For the fourth quarter of 2016 net sales were $130.1 million, representing a 9.5% increase over the same period last year. The increase reflects the addition of Work Truck Solutions and strong results from Henderson, which was partially offset by lower sales for our core commercial snow ice control products.

As a reminder we are comparing fourth quarter 2016 to our all-time record performance in the fourth quarter of 2015. As we mentioned last quarter the Work Truck attachment segment shipments to the former Dejana operations were originally treated as an inter-company inventory transfer and revenue was deferred in the third quarter.

Some of that revenue was recognized in the fourth quarter as end-users were shipped products from the Work Truck Solutions segment and we expect this process to continue in Q1 of 2017. For the fourth quarter of 2016 corporate sales were $88.5 million or 68% of sales compared to $80.3 million or 68% of sales in the fourth quarter of 2015.

This year-over-year increase was driven by the addition of Work Truck Solutions. SG&A expenses of $16.3 million for the quarter of 2016 compared to $12.9 million in the same quarter of 2015. Again this increase was due to the addition of Work Truck Solutions.

Moving on we produced adjusted EBITDA of $27.4 million for the fourth quarter similar to adjusted EBITDA of $27.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2015. The slight decrease reflects the addition of the Work Truck Solutions business offset by lower sales in our more profitable commercial snow and ice-control products.

Net income was $10.1 million or $0.44 per diluted share in the fourth quarter of 2016 compared to net income of $15.1 million or $0.66 per diluted share in the same period of 2015.

The decrease in net income relates to lower overall sales of Work Truck Attachments coupled with higher cost of sales as a percentage of sales in the Work Truck Solutions segment compared to Work Truck Attachments. The effective tax rate for the full year 2016 was 38.8% compared to 33.3% for 2015.

The higher rate relates to the release of valuation allowances in several states in 2015 resulting from consecutive years of taxable income in those states that were not available on 2016. Now let’s briefly look at earnings information for the two segments.

For the fourth quarter 2016 the Work Truck Attachments segment recorded revenue of $97.8 million and income from operations of $23.3 million, well in line with internal expectations and very similar to third quarter 2016 numbers these results were lower when compared to the same period last year due to the impact of below average snow fall this past winter.

It’s worth reiterating that within the Work Truck Attachments segment our Henderson brand continued to grow and outperform its excellent 2015 results. Next the Work Truck Solutions segment we recorded revenue of $37.9 million and $3.5 million of income from operations. All of these numbers were aligned with our initial internal expectations.

For the full year 2016 net cash provided by operating activities were $69.9 million compared to $56.5 million of 2015. The increase was driven by favorable working capital changes and the proceeds of the favorable legal settlements in the first quarter which were partially offset by the acquisition cost related to Dejana.

Accounts receivable at the end of the year were $78.6 million compared to $67.7 million at the end of 2015. This includes the Work Truck Solutions AR which was partially offset by a decrease stemming from lower overall sales in the Work Truck Attachments segment.

Capital expenditures for 2016 totaled $9.8 million which includes the purchase of the new Illinois up fit facility for Henderson which we mentioned in August. Also please remember that 2015 full year CapEx of approximately $10 million included the Milwaukie facility improvement project.

Going forward we expect our annual CapEx to range between $11 million and $12 million which reflects the addition of Work Truck Solutions. Inventory was $70.9 million at the end of 2016 compared to $51.6 million at the end of 2015 and in line with third quarter of 2016.

The increase in inventory is primarily due to the acquisition of Work Truck Solutions which was partially offset by a decrease in inventory for the Work Truck Attachment Segment related to anticipated lower overall sales in 2016. The company maintained cash on hand in 2016 of $18.6 million compared to $36.8 million on hand at the end of 2015.

It is important to note that we deployed $50 million of cash during the year to help fund the Dejana acquisition. Additionally we just recently replaced our total debt, lowered our interest rates 75 basis points, saving over $2 million in annual cash interest expense.

Total liquidity at the end of the year was approximately $108.3 million, which includes $89.7 million in borrowing capacity on the revolver plus $18.6 million in cash. Overall we are pleased with our 2016 results.

We are well-positioned for continued success in 2017 and stand today as a stronger company with the more diverse set of products and services. With that I'll turn the call back over to Jim..

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Thanks Bob. As we look into 2017, we feel positive about our business and our long term prospects for the future. For our commercial snow and ice control brands we continue to see positive non-snowfall indicators such as positive light trucks sales, low inventories and positive dealer sentiment, all bode well.

However, while winter isn’t over yet, so far we have seen below average snowfall across North America again. The season started very late for the second year in a row. And we've experienced inconsistent and variable snowfall across our core markets.

When viewed in aggregate across the past six months we do expect to see below average snowfall winter again, which will impact our pre-season period. In contrast backlog data and ongoing discussions with customers provide us good visibility with our Henderson brand that 2017 will see continued growth.

However, unrelated to our operations we are experiencing a delay in receiving truck chassis from two OEMs, which of course is delaying our team from completing and delivering some trucks to customers.

While we are seeing signs that this situation is rectifying itself during the calendar year we are likely to see more variability from quarter-to-quarter for Henderson products this year. Typically Henderson produces fairly consistent results across the four quarters, but for 2017 we expect revenue to skew towards the back half for the year.

In addition, while we generally expect the Work Truck Solution segment to grow at a mid to high single-digit rate over the long term, we have seen some temporary softness in the first two months of the year related to dealer sales of Class 4 to Class 6 trucks and created our outlook with that in mind.

Looking at 2017 as a whole we do expect to breakdown of our results between quarters to be different to previous years due to the changes in the overall structure of our business and the near term factors noted above.

In summary, we expect both revenue and profitability to be negatively impacted primarily in the first quarter and to a lesser extent in the second quarter by the items noted above. We expect the back half of the year to be much stronger in terms of both revenue and profitability.

Turning to the actual numbers which are outlined in the release based on our recent results to the overall economic climate plus the items already mentioned, we expect net sales for the full year 2017 to come in between $470 million and $530 million.

This should produce adjusted EBITDA in the range of $80 million to $115 million which would translate into an EPS of between $1.20 and $1.80. In conclusion we expect 2017 to be an important year of execution.

The additions that we made the last year will continue to be key focus as we integrate the Work Truck Solutions team and address the market opportunity. While we have made a great start, we still have a lot of work to do. Our Work Truck Attachment business remains well-positioned for continued success, we do not take our market leadership for granted.

We will continue to implement customer focus improvements to ensure continued success for the years to come. We are now ready to take your questions.

Operator?.

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instruction] Our first question is from the line of Josh Chan of Baird. Your line is open..

Josh Chan

Hi, good morning Jim and Bob, thanks for taking my question..

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Sure, Josh.

Josh Chan

Hi, yes. So for the quarter I was wondering if in the attachments business you could give some color in terms of how accessories did relative to equipment in terms of that Attachment segment..

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

So let me make sure that I understand your question.

How did parts and accessories do relative to the attachment segment?.

Josh Chan

Correct, yes, parts and accessories and then I guess versus the equipment within that segment?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Yes, so what’s interesting is in low snowfall period, service parts as well as equipment tend to work in unison. I would say that service parts and accessories was probably a little bit softer than we anticipated and that's entirely because the products overall in Q4. We’re not used quite as much as they normally would be.

So they were a little bit softer..

Josh Chan

Okay.

Where they softer than the segment average I suppose?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

I don’t know but I can answer that. It isn't obvious. I haven’t seen those numbers. But it wasn’t -- I guess the way say it is, it wasn’t surprising and it wouldn’t be unusual compared to what the weather situation was..

Josh Chan

Okay, great. And then on the Henderson delay, what was the driver behind the delay shipment.

It sounds like it’s not related to what you are doing but kind of -- what are you seeing in the beginning of the year here?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Sure, what we are seeing is there are two OEMs in particular I won't name them but they are having some production issues.

One has got some design issues and the other one's just having capacity issues and what that's creating is sort of a lock jam in the industry for those vehicles and as a result we’re beginning to see that lock jam break a little bit but it is hampering our ability to complete our trucks and then get them shipped..

Josh Chan

Okay..

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

But it’s again nothing that we’ve done. We are in close contact with them but this is something that is an issue for other people who do similar things in the Work Truck industry..

Josh Chan

Right, got you. Okay. And then my last question is on the Attachment segment, it looks like you are able to improve margins for the year just by having revenue.

So what was the driver behind the margin improvement there and how are you thinking about margin looking into next year as revenue probably comes down a bit too?.

Robert McCormick Consultant

Yes, couple of things there, I think one of the thing that is one the hallmarks of our core business is that when snowfall is below average and we are not spending as much time making product to ship we double down on DDMS type improvements and 2016 was a significant cost reduction year for our core business.

We also did enjoy for the first half of the year some nicely below average fuel cost. Those are ticked up in the last six months or so.

But there was a positive impact there for a while but I would go back to just what that team does when they are in the low snowfall environment as we just double down on reducing cost and improving quality and positioning ourselves, so that when the snowfall comes back, we can produce and ship high quality product at even higher margins then we have the year before.

And I would expect that team in the 2017 in a similar snowfall cycle to take a similar approach..

Josh Chan

Okay, great. Good job on the year-end. And best of luck as far as next year..

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Thanks Josh..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Jim Giannakouros of Oppenheimer. Your line is open..

Jim Giannakouros

Hi, Jim and Bob..

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Good morning..

Robert McCormick Consultant

Good morning..

Jim Giannakouros

So, I think on core, we did some checks and we got mixed messages obviously mild winter was a parent second one in the row, trying to get a feel for what the preseason is going to look like for you guys. Certainly 1Q my sense is and please tell me your thoughts is that inventories are lean.

So I think distributors manage inventory down to the extent that they could and that might actually help the preseason picture as opposed to what we would have thought maybe a down 15% 20% type of a preseason on core.

Is that an offset we should be thinking about? And then also -- your comments, and our checks with your closest competitor that kind of intimated or suggested that things aren't that bad from what this past winter afforded them..

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Yeah. I think from our perspective, you're right, there are some puts and takes. Inventory levels are low, but again equipment didn't get used a lot in the past winter.

So as you think about our business as replacement cycle business, we're comfortable that there will be very good very decent replacement, but it won't necessarily be driven until we get into later in the year until we see what kind of sell-through comes through.

I think in general December was a good month for everybody in the industry, because it was a nice month. I would say December was probably the only month people are talking about success this winter, they had pretty good success in December as we did.

But once you combine that with October, November, January, February it's a significantly below average snowfall year. But December was a very good month for everybody. .

Jim Giannakouros

Got it, okay.

So if I can ask another way or more pointedly, embedded in your guidance how should we be thinking about what's in your plan or thoughts on the core specifically in 2017?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Yeah it's going to be certainly from our perspective it's a second soft snowfall year in a row. And I think what we're going to see as we're hopeful inventories are low but again we manage for average snowfall and then we adjust accordingly. So we're going to really have to wait and see what takes place.

I think the only way I can really give you any guidance's is that it won't be the worst year we've ever had and it won't be the best year we've ever had it will be somewhere in between. .

Jim Giannakouros

Okay.

And since you have two segments now, I mean can you give us some ranges at least as to the per segment contribution in 2017 to your sales and EBITDA ranges that you've put out there on a consolidated basis?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

I don't believe we're going to provide guidance for each of those segments Jim. .

Jim Giannakouros

Okay all right. Thanks guys. .

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Thank you. .

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from the line of Steve Dyer of Craig-Hallum. Your line is open. .

Steve Dyer

Thanks good morning guys thanks for taking my question. Within the -- you had mentioned starting to see a little bit of softness.

Is that something you could I guess elaborate on is that sort of certain customers or certain segments or how should we think about that?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Yeah, they've got multiple end user segments. And what we've seen late fourth quarter into the first quarter is their dealer direct business where they up pick vehicles per truck dealers in the East Coast that is softened up retail inventory levels are higher ever than the dealer equipment we'd like them to be and they're slowly working through that.

So that comment was specific to the truck dealer business that they do. The other segments of their end user customer base whether it's lease or it's leasing companies or it's van up that's -- orders are fairly robust there. There is a lot of activity when you get the new budgets approved for the calendar year.

There is a lot of quoting that takes place in Q1 for the fleet and for the leasing companies. And we have a lot of good momentum there. So the one segment of their business has been soft for 90 days or so. We need to work through that.

But have been said all that, we are still as thrilled with the near term and long-term growth prospects of this acquisition and we look forward to speaking with you about some pretty exciting things as the year unfolds. .

Steve Dyer

Great, and I noticed, you did sort of higher EBITDA margins in the last couple of quarters with Dejana, than sort of the midpoint of this next year's range.

I am just wondering if that’s conservative or more of there is something maybe not progressing there on an operational standpoint as well as maybe you had hoped?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

I wouldn’t frame it that way. I would say that’s going back to the dealer update softness, that happens to be a higher margin profile in that segment of their business. So it's just a really a mix issue from that point of view. DDMS implementation there is progressing nicely.

We highlighted last quarter the couple of things that are really cool going on there. So it's really just this dealer business softness that is impacting margins little bit in 2017. .

Steve Dyer

Okay great.

And then I guess lastly can you just remind us around seasonality of Dejana, just given that it’s been about a quarter and a half now, how should we think about that flow throughout the year?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

It is, I would say it’s closer to 25, 25, 25, 25. But the first quarter is probably the low 20s, the fourth quarter is between 25 and 30 and then Q2 and Q3 kind of settled right in between those two. So it's much more predictable and much more stable, but stronger in the fourth quarter than it is in the first quarter. .

Steve Dyer

Okay got it. Thank you. .

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Thank you..

Robert McCormick Consultant

Thanks Steve. .

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Mike Shlisky of Seaport Global. Your line is open. .

Michael Shlisky

Good morning guys. Can you hear me okay. .

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Hey Mike. .

Michael Shlisky

All right, great. Just want to follow up on the last question, first of all, can you just give us a sense as to overall for the whole company what's the kind of go forward transition earnings.

If you just kind of confirm that this year will not be the same as what you expect in other years for your earnings calendar?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Mike, I am sorry, but I had a difficult time hearing the question. Could you please repeat that again..

Michael Shlisky

Sure, could you tell us what is the overall company more normalized calendar for earnings going forward, not just for Dejana but the overall company, sort of any first half, second half or kind of by the quarters, can you just confirm that this year will not be inline with that sort of long-term you have given what’s going in Dejana this quarter?.

Robert McCormick Consultant

We haven’t and we’ll likely not give quarterly guidance in terms of how the total company financials breakdown by quarter.

I think if it take, we just spoke about in the Work Truck Solution segments, if you add, Jim Janiks comment about Henderson having some truck availability issues, that’s going to push some of their business out of the first quarter and into the back half of the year.

You’re going to see a little bit stronger back half of the year from Douglas than you normally would and likely a little softer first half of the year. I think that’s an appropriate signal for us to send at this point.

I think when you look at our full year guidance, even given below average snow fall two years in a row we still got some pretty exciting things that are on the horizon in 2017. .

Michael Shlisky

Okay, that’s fine. I just want to ask about the [indiscernible] issue that you had mentioned earlier as well. Just a little more color there. The one OEM and there is having some design problems, is it that the designed is now work with your attachments or it's overall truck itself that's now your [indiscernible] this year, than the one -- sorry. .

Robert McCormick Consultant

The issues are has nothing to do with compatibility with our product. It just did -- it’s in the Truck design itself and the performance of the truck portion of the vehicle, not in how it relates. This is frankly nothing to do with Douglas, this just has to do with Class 7 and Class 8 truck availability. .

Michael Shlisky

Okay, I am sorry, is it a model changeover problem or is it a product quality that they are having, do you think?.

Robert McCormick Consultant

Well, again I don’t want to get into too much detail, but one of them few years ago cut back capacity so far because of the downturn that now as trucks are becoming much more popular again they are having a difficult time meeting the domestic growing demand which they’re working on.

And the other one, the other manufacturer actually have some performance issues in their current vehicle and they've slowed production down until they fixed those problems. .

Michael Shlisky

Okay that’s fair.

Just can you just also just give a little more color on your M&A outlook for the year? Obviously you are going to keep up pursuing targets as you always do but kind of give us a sense as to -- just update us as to whether you probably doing this outside of the weather related attachment area or you been doing it inside weather attachments and are there any areas that you don’t serve yet and - that which we should be thinking about?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Can you repeat your question one more time.

It seemed like there were a couple of questions in there I want to make sure what the question was?.

Michael Shlisky

Sorry I’m in a very lot of convention [ph] right now.

Just kind of curious can you just tell us about your M&A outlook are there any areas of weather related attachments that you don’t currently serve right now or are you looking for areas outside of the weather world for your next target for M&A?.

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

Yeah we’ve talked about this before. We don’t have any specific time table for acquisitions. We tend to be more opportunistic and again from our perspective the strategic opportunities could and can exist in non-weather related businesses but there may be some opportunity that comes up in a weather related business that just fits us perfectly.

So at this particular point what I will say for ’17 is we continue to look for really good opportunities but right now I think we’re incredibly focused on integrating two of the more recent opportunities so yes we’re looking but we’re also absolutely focused on integration. .

Michael Shlisky

Okay, thanks very much guys. I will leave it there. .

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

All right, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] I'm not showing any further questions at this time. I’d like to turn the call back over to Mr. Jim Janik for any further remarks. .

James L. Janik Interim President, Interim Chief Executive Officer & Executive Chairman

For all of you on the phone thank you for your interest in Douglas Dynamics. We look forward to speaking with you about our first quarter 2017 results in May. Thank you very much..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This does conclude today’s program and you may all disconnect. Everyone have a great day..

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