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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2018 - Q4
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Executives

Derek Hatch - Corporate Controller Bob Whitman - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Stephen Young - Chief Financial Officer Paul Walker - EVP, Global Sales & Delivery Adam Merrill - Vice President, Innovation.

Analysts

Chris Howe - Barrington Research Jeff Martin - Roth Capital Partners Tim McHugh - William Blair Marco Rodriguez - Stonegate Capital Markets Samir Patel - Askeladden Capital Patrick Retzer - Retzer Capital Management.

Operator

Hello, and welcome to the Q4 2018 Franklin Covey Earnings Conference Call. My name is Misha, I will be your operator for today's call. [Operator Instructions] Please note that this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the meeting over to your host Derek Hatch, Corporate Controller. Derek Hatch, you may begin..

Derek Hatch

Thank you, Myesha. Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. On behalf of Franklin Covey I would like to welcome you to our fourth quarter and full fiscal year earnings call this afternoon.

Before we begin I would like to remind everyone that this presentation contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Forward-looking statements are based upon management's current expectations and are subject to various risks and uncertainties including but not limited to the ability of the company to stabilize and grow revenues, the acceptance of and renewal rates for the All Access Pass and other subscriptions, the ability of the company to hire productive sales professionals, general economic conditions, competition in the company's targeted marketplace, market acceptance of new products and services and marketing strategies, changes in the company's market share, changes in the size of the overall market for the company's product, changes in training and spending policies of the company's clients and other factors identified and discussed in the company's most recent annual report on Form 10-K and other periodic reports filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

Many of these conditions are beyond our control or influence, any one of which may cause future results to differ materially from the company's current expectations. And there can be no assurance that the company's actual future performance will meet management's expectations.

These forward-looking statements are based upon management's current expectations and we undertake no obligation to update or revise these forward-looking statements to reflect events or circumstances after the date of today's presentation, except as required by law. With that out of the way, we would like to turn the time over to Mr.

Bob Whitman our Chairman and Chief Executive Officer.

Bob?.

Bob Whitman

Thanks, Derek. Good afternoon, everyone. We really appreciate you joining us today. This is the day I've been waiting for, for 3 years to be able to tell you that as a result of the continued and accelerating growth of All Access Pass and the resultant growth in the enterprise division which, as you know, makes up about 80% of our total revenue.

We have now crossed the bridge in our business model transformation for the enterprise division and therefore for the company. If you've seen our press release you know that we finished strong, had a strong year and had a lot of good news.

We had a particularly strong fourth quarter and year in the enterprise division which is really hitting its stride. But before I go into detail on our results, let me first just step back and share some perspective.

3 years ago we set out on this journey, we changed our accounting, disrupted the enterprise divisions prior attractive business model, we invested millions of dollars in new content, in new solutions, in new services, new portals, new implementation specialists and even a new ERP system to handle our expected growth and we did more too.

And now we're really pleased to be really right where we expected to be.

We are now climbing up a new mountain where we see tremendous growth and opportunity, we're really becoming a new kind of company, a company that will have tens of millions of dollars in recurring high margin subscription revenue, a company which can be the leader in the most lucrative and valuable strategic space in our industry.

We have thousands of loyal clients for life and a company that will have hundreds of salespeople providing broad reach and deep market penetration. We also expect to be a company that generates very high rates of growth in adjusted EBITDA in cash flow.

Specifically, we expect to triple our adjusted EBITDA in just the next 3 years from $11.9 million in fiscal 2018 to around $36 million or more in fiscal 2021.

We also expect to be a company that will generate tens of millions of dollars of excess cash flow; a portion of which we will reinvest in the company at high rates of return but then return the rest to shareholders as we'll discuss more in a few minutes.

Our work certainly remains, we're really energized to have successfully crossed the bridge and be aggressively headed up the mountain. As you'll see in Slide 4, there are 5 powerful drivers that are accelerating us toward these targets.

From this call I would like you to take away 2 important things; first, how these 5 drivers impacted our strong results in fiscal 2018 and second, how they will continue to drive our economic engine in the future. The first of these drivers is the high lifetime customer value drive by All Access Passes compelling unit economics.

Today we'll explain why that lifetime customer value is so high. The second driver is Franklin Covey's -- is a momentum created by Franklin Covey's leadership position in the most valuable and impactful strategic space within our industry; a segment where clients have significant budgets and seek out premium best-in-class solutions.

Today we'll address what makes our specific industry sector so attractive and why we are winning there.

The third driver is the aggressive expansion of our sales force taking advantage of All Access Passes compelling unit expansion economics and we'll cover why the sales force expansion is so attractive, how much headroom we have to expand and our plans for accelerating our hiring and ramping up of salespeople moving forward.

The fourth driver is the high flow through of incremental revenue to increase as an adjusted EBITDA and cash flow. Today we'll cover the factors -- which factors are driving this and finally the fifth driver is another source of value we hope investing cash flow at high rates of return in the business and returning the balance to shareholders.

Today we'll explain how we plan to utilize the tens of millions of dollars of excess cash we expect to generate over the next years and let you know what we plan to do with it.

Before I go into all of this content, I just wanted to step back and thank each of you for making this journey with us, for helping us to get across this bridge, for being patient with this business model transformation and everything that's gone with it. We really appreciate each of you; appreciate your advice and your guidance and support.

I also wanted to express what a privilege it is to work with our more than a thousand Franklin Covey team members whose commitment to helping our clients succeed, whose teamwork and partnership have brought us to this point. Okay, now onto our discussion of our -- fiscal 2018 results out of these 5 key drivers. First our 2018 results.

We had 4 key expectations for the enterprise divisions performance in fiscal 2018. We knew that if we met them all we'd be over the bridge on this transformation journey and being -- lots of work to do but we headed up the mountain at least.

These four key expectations were, one, that sales of All Access Pass and related -- past related sales, we'd continue to grow rapidly and with very high revenue retention. Second, that as a result, the enterprise division would achieve double digit revenue growth; something we had in the past but haven't had for years during our transition.

We felt like that would be a big thing to achieve.

Third, that our gross profit percentage and gross margin would increase meaningfully reflecting the All Access Passes compelling economics and fourth, the high flow through of incremental revenue would drive accelerated growth in the EBITDA and cash flow in the enterprise division even after making more than $10 million in incremental growth investments in the division during the year, we felt we could really still significantly -- or hoped we could significantly increase the EBITDA.

We're really pleased to report that the enterprise division achieved all four of these important expectations in fiscal 2018. We've shown in Slide 5, kind of in the upper row, first off, driven by All Access Pass sales, the enterprise divisions net sales increased by $23.2 million or 17.2% in fiscal 2018.

Amounts invoiced increased $15 million or 9.8% for the year and 12% in the fourth quarter. All Access Pass and past related sales grew $25.3 million or 72%. A number of paid All Access Pass subscribers grew 37% to 435,000 and our deferred revenue and our differed revenue, billed and unbilled in the enterprise division grew 38% to $55.7 million.

So this for us was extremely exciting to see this continue to actually return to double digit growth or above double digit on reported and even to double digit actually 9.8% if we round up it's close to double digit on invoice sales and with the enterprise division growing 12% on invoice and 16% unreported in the fourth quarter.

Our All Access Pass revenue is very sticky and this stickiness is driven by the significant value our customers are receiving as indicated by the four metrics on the bottom row of Slide 5. As shown, our annual revenue retention was more than 90% for the 12th straight quarter.

Upon renewal, our average passholder organization increased the size of its paid passholder population by an average of 32%.

So when they renewed they were getting enough value that they expanded their population by 32% and increased average duration or length of their All Access Pass contract by 31% driven because they wanted -- they had initiatives they were going after, they wanted more people to be involved in them, and they needed more time to do them.

And lastly, our customers also purchased additional services to help them achieve their organizational objective driving services attach rate of 44%. We are really excited about this; creating clients for life for us is both a strategic financial -- strategic, financial and cultural objective.

There's nothing that makes us happier then hearing about a client like we did just right before this call started who's receiving huge value, who renews, expands and extends their contract and by services to help them in their journey.

Digging a little deeper on Slide 6, we'll review the results of the enterprise division which, as I mentioned before, accounts for nearly 80% of our total revenues.

In the enterprise division the All Access Pass with its highly recurring high margin revenue and high flow through to EBITDA and cash flow drove very strong results in the fourth quarter and for fiscal 2018 as a whole. As shown in fiscal 2018, the enterprise divisions net sales grew 17.2% or 23.2 million as mentioned.

The big thing was our gross profit dollars increased 28.2%, driven by the combination of the significant increase in sales and a 643 basis point increase in gross margin percentage to 74.3%, all attributable to the All Access Pass.

For us important was that of the 23.2 million increase in revenue in the enterprise division, a very strong 44% flowed through to increase EBITDA. As a result, the enterprise divisions EBITDA increased to 20.9 million from 10.7 million in fiscal 2017, an increase of 10.2 million or 96%.

Almost all of this 10.2 million increase in EBITDA also flowed through to a pretax contribution to the company's overall net cash generated which we'll talk about. Importantly, these high double digit increases in EBITDA and cash flow in the enterprise division were after making more than $10 million in incremental growth investments during the year.

As we will discuss in a few minutes, we expect incremental growth investments in fiscal 2019 to not be 10 million, it was this last year, but only a little more than 2 million providing the potential for significantly higher flow through moving forward.

The potential for achieving this kind of high EBITDA and high cash flow growth drove our decision three years ago to disrupt our already attractive enterprise business model. I look forward to telling you how we expect this to continue when we get to our guidance on today's call. Now let's look at the education division on Slide 7.

Education division represents approximately 20% of our business. As the bar chart on Slide 7 shows, the education divisions revenue has grown rapidly and steadily over the last 8 years and even before that increasing sales from 8.4 million in fiscal 2010 to 44.1 million in fiscal 2017. In fiscal 2018, however, education revenue was up just 2.6%.

The primary reason for this apparent slowdown was the expiration of a large six year funding commitment from a charitable education foundation focused on funding new Leader In Me schools. They had been with us for six years, it was an expectation they would be renewing.

They received guidance to also diversify some of their giving and this contract expiration reduced revenues in the education division by 2.8 million in the year and gross profit by approximately 1.6 million.

If you exclude revenue from this foundation contract for both fiscal 2017 and 2018 to just enable a more apples to apples comparison of would have happened without the foundation in either year, educations revenue would have grown 10% in fiscal 2018 and gross profit would have grown 15%.

The education division that was able to grow even modestly despite the expiration of this large foundation agreement is attributable to, one, the education division having very loyal customers with an 86% annual school retention rate in its Leader In Me subscription model and to the fact that the education division achieved a 27% increase or $4 million increase in its invoiced subscription sales, almost none of which showed up in the revenue for the year but -- and will be recognized in 2019 establishing a positive foundation for growth in fiscal 2019 and beyond.

During fiscal year 2018, the education division also made significant growth investments in additional sales supported infrastructure, new content, research which allowed it to win a castle certification which is the social emotional learning board that really certifies content and programs as being effective and doing it and received this prestigious certification and also the division had its share of the company's new ERP system as part of its cost increase.

While fiscal 2018 wasn't educations strongest revenue grow -- reported revenue growth year, the education divisions performance has, as we said, been strong for many years on both top and bottom lined.

Actually this year aside from the foundation, the education division added about 25% more self-funded schools than it had the previous year and so made a significant absolute contribution to the company's strong overall fiscal 2018 results.

Going forward, despite an approximately $1.2 million spillover revenue drag in the first half of fiscal 2019 related to the expiration of that contract, which will go into the first 2 quarters of this year, we expect the education division to resume its strong growth trajectory in fiscal 2019 and beyond.

Looking now to the company's overall results for fiscal 2018 as shown in Slide 8, the enterprise divisions very strong performance more than offset the impact of the expiration of the large foundation contract in education and their investments in infrastructure resulting in a strong overall company results in fiscal 2018.

As you can see, total company revenue grew $24.5 million or 13.2% to $209.8 million. Gross profit increased $25.6 million or 20.9% driven by both increased sales and a 448 basis point increase in gross margin percentage to 70.7%. Adjusted EBITDA grew $4.2 million or 54% even after this $10 million plus of incremental SG&A growth investments.

Operating income increased $5.5 million and net cash generated which we'll explain in a minute, which is a close cousin of cash flow from operating activities in most years increased 17.5% or $2.7 million. We're really pleased with this strong performance in fiscal 2018.

I would now like to address the five drivers of accelerated future growth and the associated questions I told you I would address. Question 1 is how do All Access Passes unit economics create high lifetime customer value? The first key driver of growth is this. All Access Passes strong unit economics that create a lifetime customer value.

Lifetime customer value results from a combination of the 4 factors shown on Slide 9. First, All Access Passes initial purchase price is relatively large. Not only on an absolute basis but also compared to that of our legacy business model and to other B2B subscription models. Second, All Access Passes revenue is also proven to be very sticky.

Annual revenue retention has exceeded 90% in each of the last 12 quarters. Third, the sticky revenue has very high gross margins. This was the primary driver of enterprise divisions overall gross margin increase of more than 643 basis points in fiscal 2018 to 74.3%.

And fourth, clients were purchasing more than $0.44 of services for every dollar of subscription they sign up for. This high services attachment rate is actually one of the most important predictors of client retention in B2B subscription offerings. So we love to see that number high and we intend to increase it from here.

Importantly this 44% of add-on service revenue combined with the more than 90% of subscription revenue already being retained each year means that in total, revenue included more than 100% of the All Access Pass contracts it amounts is coming in from existing All Access passholder contracts every year.

In other words, on average, including add-on services, each All Access Pass is generating revenue which is more than 100% of its contracted amount each year. This provides a very strong foundation for future growth.

As shown in Slide 10, the expected net present value of the future revenue expected to be generated from just one average size All Access Pass contract is more than $220,000. We would never have reached anything close to that level without All Access Pass and all that it offers.

As also shown in Slide 10, the expected net present value of future revenue from all of our All Access Pass contracts combined that are in place has increased from approximately $115 million in fiscal 2016 when we introduced All Access Pass to $239 million fiscal 2017 and further to $333 million in fiscal 2018.

What does this mean? That's the net present value of our expected revenue from contracts in place, a combination of the retained revenue plus their add on services. This $333 million is equal to almost twice the enterprise divisions total reported revenue in fiscal 2018 and to us that's really important.

It means that the magnitude, certainty of and visibility into future expected revenue is increasing every day. We expect this MPV of all contracts to increase to more than half a billion in approximately the next 12, next 18 months, starting to move this toward almost 3 times one year's revenue already probabilistically going to come in.

Question 2, what makes the strategic space in which we place so attractive and why are we winning? The second key driver is the momentum that's being created by Franklin Covey's leadership position and what we view as the most lucrative impactful and valued segment of the performance improvement industry.

In short, Franklin Covey is becoming the partner of choice for organizations seeking a large scale institutionalized change in human behavior in culture. We help organizations improve engagement, discipline, culture and execution. This is an important point.

It may already be obvious to you but if it isn't, it's maybe worth pausing making sure it's crystal clear. As shown in Slide 11, the learning and development industry is heavily focused on developing skills and capabilities in individual learners.

On the left side of the bottom row of this pyramid, you have personal and interpersonal skills and on the right side you have technical skills. The vast majority of training is focused on the bottom right side or on technical skills.

Increasingly enterprises are turning to online and do it yourself video content for this kind of training and really they should. It's an economically smart way to leverage new technology while engaging individual learners online especially with an increasingly dispersed workforce.

If you go one step beyond that into the train of personal and interpersonal skills, let alone up the pyramid to developing leaders who engage their people and even higher to helping organizations build winning cultures that can achieve a major strategic initiative that requires a large-scale change in human behavior, you'll find the very challenges that line leaders and C-level executives value most and have the budgets to solve.

Challenges such as closing an operational gap, improving sales performance, measurably increasing trust throughout an organization or improving organizations key customer loyalty metrics.

Leaders not only have budgets for these challenges that are outside the learning and development budgets but they also seek out best in class solutions that have a track record and credibility for delivering outcomes.

This is the place to be in the $90 billion worldwide performance improvement industry and this is absolutely where Franklin Covey shines.

Why are customers turning to us? Because within that most lucrative and valued segment of the industry, we have the blockbuster branded content, proven solutions and powerful insights known worldwide as being best in class. Through All Access Pass we offer clients access to all of it.

You can see some of our most well-known and trusted solutions here on Slide 12 and it's not just the content itself.

Through All Access Pass these collections available in an almost limitless combination of delivery modalities, the core contents of 16 languages worldwide, can be purchased with add-on coaching and delivery services to help a client achieve desired outcomes, by the way, this is disruptive to traditional skills only training companies that offer single courses through a single delivery modality.

It also is for client -- clients purchasing access to video libraries; that's a great theme because All Access Pass is extremely additive because it helps a buyer fill out the rest of the pyramid and helps them -- allows them to transcend these basic skills to address the more pressing 80/20 challenges they face.

We're committed to making continued strategic and well targeted content and solution investments each year to ensure that we are delivering on our promise to help clients with their most important challenges. In fact, we've added four important pieces of content this last year.

So we feel like we're incredibly well positioned to be the partner of choice in this most lucrative, valued and impactful segment of the industry. Question three, what makes the sales force unit expansion economic so attractive and how big is the sales force expansion opportunity? We're asked that often.

There's a third driver of our future growth and it's our planned aggressive expansion of our direct sales force. One of our most important drivers of growth and revenue, and of accelerated growth in EBITDA and cash flow is a successful hiring and ramp-up of new client partners or salespeople.

I'll start with the enterprise division as shown in Slide 13, since 2012 we've added 70 net new client partners bringing our total to 172 in the enterprise division at the end of fiscal 2018. In the average revenue ramp-up for these new client partners follows a great trajectory you can see on the right-hand side.

They average more than 200,000 in year one when they were hired and they reach 1.3 million revenue in approximately year five. With All Access Passes high margins and sticky revenue, we now typically breakeven on our approximately 150,000 first year investment in a new client partner by the end of their first year.

Just emphasize that, we typically breakeven or have a full payback of our incremental investment in new client partner in year one.

In a market that is hungry for this kind of solutions we provide and has room for the most trusted brand to grow, we have a lot of opportunity here and great economics to support putting a lot more roots on the ground so to speak.

Growing our sales force is an important part of our strategy and we have reaccelerated our hiring and ramp-up efforts adding more than 35 new client partners in the enterprise division alone over the last two years. However, the full impact of this hiring has been muted somewhat by a change in whom we hire.

In fiscal 2015 we had hired 25 junior client partners, we called them Area Client Partners, to sell facilitator courses in product marketing events. We hired them specifically for that purpose.

They were not hired to be able to sell the All Access Pass which is more strategic, and as we transition to our All Access Pass subscription model, most of them were either re-assigned to other roles in the company or left the company.

As a result, our reported net number of client partners in the enterprise division showed growth of only seven over the last years despite the fact that we have 35 new hires.

In fiscal 2019 we expect to increase our net number of CP's in the enterprise division by at least 20, so you'll see that number go up and to continue to add at least that number of new CP's in the enterprise division each year thereafter.

You might be wondering how much headroom we have for hiring new client partners before we reach diminishing returns. Slide 14 shows our answer at least. There are more than 55,000 companies, or company units, in what we consider now a refined enterprise division target market in the U.S. alone.

Of these, only approximately 11,000 have been assigned to be covered by our client partners in the enterprise division in the U.S., about a hundred per client partner. About 4000 of these assigned accounts are active Franklin Covey clients.

That leaves approximately 44,000 accounts not yet assigned so we can hire literally hundreds of additional client partners in the U.S. alone. This is, of course, in addition to the potential re-increasing our business with our 4000 current clients in the U.S.

and winning a portion of the 7000 accounts which were assigned, already assigned, but are not yet clients and doesn't even include, of course, winning business with any of the millions of small businesses that could benefit from our solutions through the All Access Pass.

We have similar opportunities for expansion in the UK, China, Japan and Australia where we also have direct offices as well as in our more than a hundred countries covered by our international licensing partner network.

So we are excited about the potential, feel like we've now invested in the infrastructure necessary to be able to handle this and are committed to going out and getting it. We have a similar growth opportunity and plans in our education division.

First, as you know, we offer a subscription model for education that's similar in all of these five growth drivers through the enterprise model. High initial sales price, sticky revenue, high add-on services, so forth.

As shown on Slide 15, since 2010 the education division has steadily grown its number of Leader In Me schools and now has more than 3700 schools in more than 50 countries worldwide. Amazing to me is that more than 1.4 million K through 12 students are immersed in and impacted by our content every day.

With the growth in schools, the education division of revenue and EBITDA has also grown rapidly. As with the enterprise division, the education division has significant headroom for growth. As shown in Slide 16, there are 150,000 or so public and private K through 12 schools in the U.S. and Canada.

47,000 are assigned to existing client partners and of those we've sold to 2700.

That leaves us 44,000 of the assigned schools to penetrate and 103,000 unassigned schools so, again, we have a lot of potential hiring of plant partners to cover there too, again, we've made the necessary investments in sales support infrastructure and marketing, sales leadership and are poised for accelerated growth of our sales forces in both the enterprise and education divisions and are ready to climb this mountain.

Question four; what factors are behind our fourth driver of growth which is the high flow through of incremental growth in revenue to incremental growth in adjusted EBITDA and cash flow. We expect to achieve at least high single digital revenue growth for an extended period of time.

There are good arguments why that revenue growth could and perhaps should be higher including the accelerated hiring and ramping of new salespeople and the significantly reduced drag of declines in our legacy facilitator and on-site business.

However, as shown in Slide 17, even at high single digit revenue growth rates of say, 7% to 9%, the high flow through of incremental revenue will drive very high rates of growth and adjusted EBITDA in cash flow in the coming years.

As shown, we expect to have a flow through of incremental revenue to growth and EBITDA of 45% to 50% in fiscal 2019 and 2020 and between 45 -- 40% and 45% in fiscal 2021 and beyond until say we achieve a total adjusted EBITDA sales percent of 18% -- 18% to 20%; maybe thereafter too but at least until then.

The key factors behind this expected high flow through percentage, our first -- again, the highly attractive recurring high margin revenue of All Access Pass and Leaders In Me subscription sales. Second, our highly variable incremental selling costs.

We have a commissioned sales force and after their initial ramp-up, commission costs are almost entirely variable. And third, we will be making much lower growth rate in our incremental investments are much lower going forward.

As previously noted, in fiscal 2018 we invested more than $10 million in incremental SG&A for new content, new services, new portals, new implementation specialists and a new ERP system.

In fiscal 2019, we'll make these incremental investments, we expect such investments in these same categories not to be an additional $10 million as in fiscal 2018 but only approximately $2 million.

In light of our business model transition and our subscription accounting, we thought it actually might be helpful for us to provide you with some transparent insight to some of the key benchmarks we expect to hit over the next 3 years.

As shown on Slide 18, even if -- even the high single digit revenue growth, we acknowledge it probably should be higher, but at that level with our expected high rates of flow through that we just showed, reported adjusted EBITDA is expected to increase between 50% and 85% in fiscal 2019 from $11.9 million to between $18 million and $22 million in fiscal 2019 and then increased between $35 million and $40 million by 2021; just 2 more years.

The combination of reported EBITDA plus the change in deferred revenue is expected to increase between 29% and 45% in fiscal 2008 -- 2019, from $23.3 million in fiscal 2018 to between $30 million and $34 million this year, 2019, and then increase to between $47 million and $52 million in fiscal 2021.

And then as to net cash generated, there's a table in the back, the appendix, that helps you figure out what that is but which in most cases actually quite close, in most years, it's quite close to cash flow from operating activities and expected to increase between 20% and 45% in fiscal 2019 from $15 million in 2018 to between $18 million and $22 million in fiscal 2019 and then increase between $35 million and $40 million in fiscal 2021.

Finally, question five, how do we expect to utilize the tens of millions of dollars in cash flow we expect to generate over the next 3 years? Let me just take you back a few years with our prior business model; we had achieved strong revenue and EBITDA growth and generated a lot of cash flow.

We generated high rates of return on the capital invested in the business and as shown on Slide 19 over the years, we have repurchased more than 11 million shares. In the last 4 years alone we've returned more than $65 million to shareholders in the form of stock repurchases.

Hopefully I think all of our shareholders have benefited, including all of us, have benefited significantly from the positive spread on these stock repurchases. As discussed, over the next 3 years and into the future, we expect to generate tens of millions of cash flow after making significant investments in the business.

And given the high expected net present value, of those expected cash flows, we expect to continue to utilize our excess cash to return cash to shareholders in the form of stock buybacks. I turn the time now to you Steve for guidance..

Stephen Young

Thanks, Bob. Good afternoon, everyone. We are excited about our future. As Bob discussed, we expect net sales to grow high single digit in fiscal 2019 and expect it between 45% and 50% of incremental revenue will flow through to increases in adjusted EBITDA.

Our FY2019 guidance is therefore, as you can see on Slide 20, and as Bob talked about, the adjusted EBITDA will increase from $11.9 million to a range of $18 million to $22 million in FY2019.

The sum of adjusted EBITDA plus the change in deferred revenue on our balance sheet will increase from $23.3 million in FY2018 to a range of $30 million to $34 million in FY2019 and that net cash generated, as we defined it in the appendix, will increase from $15 million last year to a range of $18 million to $22 million this year.

Now this guidance does not reflect the impact for the new revenue recognition Standard 606. We will of course report the exact impact of the adoption of that standard in our next quarter filings but for now, let me just say that we do not expect a material impact from the adoption of 606.

And we expect that the immaterial impact will be slightly positive rather than slightly negative. So we expect a fairly insignificant impact from the adoption of 606. Now first quarter.

Despite our investments in new client partners and new content that Bob talked about and the revenue drag of approximately $800,000 in Q1 from the expiration of the foundation contract in the education division, we still expect adjusted EBITDA to grow in Q1 by up to $800,000 to a range of $600,000 to $1.4 million.

So as always, we've included some schedules in the appendix that give you the additional information that you need to complete your analysis of the company we think and please review that information along the filings that we'll make next week. So thank you, Bob..

Bob Whitman

Thanks, Steve.

We had a beautiful slide on Page 21 but on behalf of all of us, I think everyone really do want to thank you again for taking this journey with us over the past few years and for your continued support and enthusiasm even as we get across the bridge and start to climb up this -- what we think is a very exciting mountain for this year and beyond.

We look forward to bringing you ongoing good news and we'll try to report on these exact same metrics every quarter so you can follow and kind of follow the breadcrumbs up the mountain with us and we of course are excited about solving these -- the most valuable problem in the industry of achieving institutional behavioral and cultural change for our customers the way no other company can, so thanks very much and we'll now open it for questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Alex Paris with Barrington Research. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. .

Chris Howe

This is Chris Howe sitting in for Alex. Yes, I was just looking at Slide 9 and thinking about some of your comments around the annual revenue retention that continues to exceed 90% and the great stickiness you're seeing here.

When it comes more specifically to these services attachment rates at 44%, what are the keys to driving this attachment rate higher and as you look to these next few years and the targets that you've set, how do you see that attachment rate progressing as you reach your goals?.

Bob Whitman

I'm going to turn that to Paul Walker, as you know heads the enterprise division..

Paul Walker President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hey, everybody. So it might be helpful just to take a quick step back on that.

So the services that we sell and deliver to passholders fall under the following categories; the bulk of the services that we deliver are onsite training to clients that are implementing our solutions so they'll hire a Franklin Covey training consultant to do that delivery for them.

Executive and impact journey coaching which was, when we acquired Robert Gregory it gave us the capability to do that. A third category is we'll occasionally customize content for clients for their specific need if they have a large initiative, they want it branded for their company in that particular initiative.

We have services that we provide in the form of administering their implementation, doing some of the logistics for them and then we have services to help scale up and ramp-up internal client teachers or facilitators.

And so those five service areas that we're talking about here and that's what's steadily growing and the strategy to grow the reason it's growing and the reason that we think those services will continue to grow as a percentage of over All Access Pass revenue, are really two reasons.

One, as you know, we pair every passholder with an implementation specialist and the role of that implementation specialist is to get involved post-sale and to help the client get maximum usage from their pass and it's often in those discussions that we uncover with the client an opportunity where we can bring services to them that will help them get more out of their pass.

And so as we run that process and we just get further down this path of now year two, year three, soon to be year four where our implementation specialists and our client partners are in there uncovering additional jobs, to which we can help the client with because they have access to all of our content already by virtue of having the pass, we just continue to uncover more opportunities to drive services and we really think that that will continue on its growth trajectory like it has.

I don't know if that's….

Chris Howe

And as far as the sales staff that's currently in place, the capacity is already there to reach your long-term targets, or how do you anticipate adding salespeople over the next few years?.

Paul Walker President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, yes, the capacity is there. As Bob mentioned a few minutes ago, we've actually hired a fair number here in the last couple of years and it's muted in the numbers that you see because we've also turned over about 25 that we had hired previously before the launch of All Access Pass and so we expect to add at least 20 this year.

We've already added seven, just in the first two months of this fiscal year, and we've also talked on our previous call about some of the restructuring that we did within our sales force and our sales leadership to lay the groundwork for us to be able to then add significant numbers of client partners, not just this year but in the years to come..

Bob Whitman

There's big -- yes, just one other thought there, if you add 20 new client partners a year for five years, the incremental revenue just from those is a very big number; it's well over $50 million and only the first class would be ramped. We also have about 40% of our sales force still in ramp-up.

So we've got the opportunity, one, to use accelerated ramp now of the salespeople we already have hired who are somewhere in that five-year ramp together with the new and over the last couple of years as we've been hiring, but now that we're firm on the All Access Pass we know it all works, we're now stepping up the hiring..

Operator

Our next question is Jeff Martin with Roth Capital Partners. Please go ahead. Your line is now open..

Jeff Martin

Bob, could you just speak to the competitive dynamic and how it's changed as you've transitioned to this new model? I would imagine it's somewhat disruptive to the industry but just want to hear from you what your thoughts are?.

Bob Whitman

Yes, I think there are things happening kind of in 2 areas.

If you're a traditional training company offering a single course in a single modality at the same price you can get for, per person, for the entire All Access Pass, I think it's a tough world and that's generally what is our -- our industry is made up of a lot of small single modality people and they have great content but I think it's a hard value proposition to compete against.

If you're a larger one of those and have an invested like we have, $150 million in content and modalities, etcetera, it's a big investment and what we're hearing from salespeople who have come from many of those people to us, I think those organizations are not choosing to make those investments.

And so I think the traditional industry, I think it's quite disruptive. You've got also other competitors who are particularly in this do it yourself, learner driven content that's all video-based that are doing well, I mean it's a big need at the bottom of that pyramid and I think they're doing well.

That's further eroding, I think, the competitive position of traditional people because their platforms are compelling; they're not moving in to try to get large scale behavioral change but they are trying to provide me with the ability to drive my own skills.

So I think there's a movement in the industry where even -- 95% of all of the revenue in the industry is driven by these traditional small people, one-off shops, these $2 million and $3 million and $7 million shops they have good people and good content.

I think the world is a hard one for them and will get harder with -- between what we're doing and what some of these other technology based delivery companies are doing Jeff. Is that response….

Jeff Martin

How would you characterize and what level is -- how do you define and what level is your annual recurring revenue run rate right now?.

Bob Whitman

So again, this exact definition -- we'll give you the -- so we have about between -- we have both the All Access Pass and then we also have our subscriptions in the education business which are substantial.

And so our total deferred revenue just for a second, looking at that, is between the 2 including billed and unbilled now around $75 million which is growing by $50 million over the last couple of years.

So the recurring revenue is probably annually on the contractual side is probably in the range of somewhere around $70 million a year is the annual recurring revenue as it's defined typically. We haven't provided that definition, probably should, because that's a good one to track, we do track it internally but it's about that number..

Jeff Martin

Okay, and that excludes the licensing….

Bob Whitman

Yes, that excludes -- yes, the other $12 million, $15 million we have between licenses and the enterprise and education division, the different kinds of contractually recurring revenue that comes in every year too. So I mean, depending on how you count that, it's a bigger number..

Jeff Martin

Okay, and then I didn't see it, a total invoice, amount number tied to the All Access Pass and attached services, what -- do you have that number handy for the quarter and for the year?.

Bob Whitman

Yes..

Stephen Young

So it's just on pass and pass related for the year..

Bob Whitman

So I mean, for All Access Pass, we have the number, it's $66 million. So total pass and pass related sales were $66.8 million for the year, Jeff, for All Access Pass. And the education division subscription sales were about $26 million, I think.

Steve, you can correct me on that last one, I'm not certain on that, but that's approximately it and Jeff when we talk after we'll give you the exact numbers..

Jeff Martin

And then my final question ties to the incremental investment in fiscal 2019 versus the $10 million in 2018. I wanted to get some clarity around how much of that $10 million investment from 2018 carries over on an ongoing basis.

I would assume it's a relatively good percentage of that but just was curious to get your sense?.

Stephen Young

Yes so -- when Bob in his script was talking about we had an incremental investment of $10 million and then it was going to be an add-on incremental investment of $2 million, that's what he was talking about is that that specific -- the expenses that had the increase of $10 million, some of those are fixed, some of those are variable so that the increase next year in all of those expenses would be $2 million versus the $10 million increase that we had this year.

And that's even….

Bob Whitman

You're asking you've got a great nuance as part of your question Jeff which is did we start some of these investments mid-year and on an annualized basis it will be more, the answer of course is yes, but that's -- those numbers that we talked about are kind of the year-over-year change in those categories..

Stephen Young

Annualization is included in the 2….

Bob Whitman

The estimate of $2 million increase versus $10 million, yes, that was a good way to ask it but that's -- that was a good way to answer it too..

Jeff Martin

Yes, well I was just thinking since like you had investments in the plural that I figured some of that might not recur every year. I was just curious if that $10 million investment is an ongoing annual expense..

Bob Whitman

Well, it is ongoing in terms -- those categories we continue to invest in but take an example, implementation specialists. When we were ramping up going from none to many, today we have 23 or so Paul, implementation specialists.

That was an incremental investment over 2 years to increase by about $4 million but incrementally now that will be a couple per year and so you'll be adding a few hundred thousand a year. The big one was the investment necessary for the ERP system, that will actually go down, all of the costs associated with that.

We'll continue to make investments in the portal etc., but it's just a lot of upfront was these big efforts with casts of dozens and dozens of people on it and now you've got dedicated teams who they're just on it and there's ongoing investments being made but it's not the same and that's why we said, that's a big opportunity for flow through in 2019 and beyond is that we can keep the margins high and keep pertaining the revenue, there will be a lot of flow through from increased sales..

Operator

Our next question is from Tim McHugh with William Blair..

Tim McHugh

Just wanted to -- hey, how you doing? Can I ask about the contract signed number I guess, I guess specifically for the enterprise division? I apologize if you addressed this but I joined late. It seems like it's a seasonally important quarter..

Bob Whitman

So for the enterprise division and you'll see it for those who want to follow on Slide 26 Tim if you get access to that later or whatever, the invoiced amount in the enterprise division for the year increased by $15 million, $14.8 million which was 9.8%.

So you -- and that was -- and it was 12% in the fourth quarter because we had been hovering kind of in the high 8's collectively through the first 3 quarters and moved it up almost to 10% million for the year on invoiced amounts and it was 12% in the fourth quarter.

In the education division, invoiced amounts were flat when excluding -- when you take into account for the year, when you take out the big foundation contract that didn't repeat, otherwise it was up some but it -- the invoiced amounts that were relatively flat for the year up about 5% for the education division and the fourth quarter.

Steve?.

Tim McHugh

What about -- I was trying to look at, I guess, the contract signed piece of that; reconcile those two because it looks like it was flat year-over-year in the enterprise division..

Bob Whitman

Okay, so -- so it went from -- the contract signed and invoiced amount went from $151 million to $166 million, an increase of $14.8 million.

We also on contract signed increased the multiyear unbilled deferred so in total between the two years, you -- in terms of contracts signed including multiyear, it went up from $166 million to $173 million but with a focus on invoiced amounts this year. I mean….

Stephen Young

Tim -- Tim I think also as you can see on this slide, even though the change in the unbilled deferred revenue that comes into the contact signed went down. That's still a really good story because in Q4 of FY2017, we were in a position that we had hardly ever sold multiyear agreements.

So we went out with a fairly significant push in Q4 of 2017 and signed up a significant number of -- entered a significant number of multiyear agreements. So much that we even though that the amount that we would sign next year might be significantly different than this.

So the fact that we had $14.7 million increase in 2017 and then $7 million in 2018 is really….

Bob Whitman

Well, replacing all of the runoff….

Stephen Young

Yes, it's an indication that our multiyear contracting is going really well..

Tim McHugh

Can I ask on the capitalized curriculum development, it looks like it's -- I guess I would have thought last year was kind of a big year for you guys. What's the big projects as we go forward to this next year that, I guess, you guys are focused on underlying….

Bob Whitman

You ask Adam Merrill who heads our innovation group just to respond.

Adam?.

Adam Merrill Executive Vice President of Market & Customer Intelligence

Yes, we -- we're excited very much about what we've done and launched this year. In the coming year, there are two larger efforts that we're making that will result in new products. One is around the topic of unconscious bias and releasing the talent of your team.

And later on we'll also have one about execution and accountability which we think will not only increase the execution practice but will turbo charge everything else we're doing. We're also spending to localize the previous projects as well to make sure that we get that in 15 languages and moving forward..

Bob Whitman

Because we've added four courses this last year that were not in the original groups. So in the 16 languages we have four new courses and then we're adding another three languages this year as well..

Adam Merrill Executive Vice President of Market & Customer Intelligence

Yes, we're consistently adding those new things to the pass and they're being very well received..

Tim McHugh

And then last, maybe two kind of numbers, one I guess one, I heard the EBITDA guidance or commentary for Q1 did -- I apologize if I missed it but did you say anything about the pace of revenue growth and secondly, is that kind of the severance ERP and other bucket are there still ERP costs and where are you at with, I guess when would that project kind of wrap up for you guys?.

Unidentified Company Representative

Yes, the ERP project is completed..

Bob Whitman

And the good news it's working..

Unidentified Company Representative

That's the best news..

Bob Whitman

That's a good thing. So the first quarter we didn't give guidance on revenue, we just said EBITDA we thought would be up by as much as $800,000 in the first quarter.

I think what we should look for is probably flattish revenue in education because of the decline and the drag of the carry-over drag, you may not have been on Tim for that but we said there would be about an $800,000 drag in the first quarter on the education division relating just to the spillover effect of that contract in the enterprise division, we'll be up in the high single digit range, 79% contracted range for the enterprise division of the first quarter.

So it will get off to a good strong start; education, as you know, mostly doesn't contract until a little later in the year. So you're kind of there, you're taking in your deferred revenue and not adding a lot of new revenue but hopefully signing up some contracts.

Going back also just one more thing on the multiyear, I think for us, as Steve said, we focused last year, we wanted to kind of get the sales force going on this whole idea of getting these multiyear and extended term contracts going and of course we did so, we signed $16 million worth in the fourth quarter.

We recognize also we did some of that at the expense of invoice sales and so we decided this year, look, let's just have a steady thing that goes on quarter after quarter, no enormous push on any one quarter trying to get it going. It's increasing to now we're about 20 some odd percent, Paul….

Paul Walker President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, approaching the mid-20% range, yes..

Bob Whitman

Of contracts being signed are multiyear and because that now is launched, we said, look, if we can, on the unbilled deferred, what we want to do is sign contracts that makes sense and there's no push on it but the fact that we're able to replace the runoff and add 30% or 40% to the thing, we felt like that was a good thing that's probably in the sustainable range, let's focus on invoiced and then on renewal get them added to.

So you've got both numbers but we're glad that the invoice side finally came up into the -- if you round up from 9.8% to 10%, well at least maybe next quarter you can, and say we got to double digits again. Thanks..

Operator

Our next question is from Marco Rodriguez with Stonegate Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is now open..

Marco Rodriguez

I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about guidance real quick here just on the revenue side. I'm not sure if I heard you correctly but I thought I heard that perhaps you were a little bit conservative on the growth rate going forward into 2019.

If you can kind of confirm that first and then also if maybe you can talk a little bit about the pluses and minuses or potential growth factors and then the risks that you're kind of thinking about when you put together your 2019 guidance..

Bob Whitman

Sure. First of all, we didn't give guidance on revenue per se in the -- what we basically said was, hey, we've said many times we thought we could maintain long-term growth in the high single digits.

What we said, we said I think was in the range of 7% to 9% that we would drive really accelerated growth in EBITDA and cash flow and that's not suggesting that our sales force doesn't have revenue goals that exceed 7% to 9% or our leaders or us.

But we didn't give guidance on that specifically because our -- our focus was really -- we believe now that we can grow EBITDA and cash flow at 40%, 35%, compounded for a long time this year more, next year more, and so focusing on that, we're saying -- I think what we're trying to say is, and I didn't say it very well, is even if revenue only grew in the 7% to 9% range, we think we can meet the targets, the EBITDA and cash flow targets that we've laid out.

Obviously if we grow revenue a little bit higher, and you just saw the enterprise division did, in this last year if we were able to do that, then obviously the flow through would be incrementally even higher still.

So we didn't give revenue guidance but we did give quite a bit of guidance on EBITDA, EBITDA plus change in differed and net cash generated all of which we feel good about. So those are the metrics that we're going to try to focus on, on guidance and just tell you that at 7% to 9% you can hit them but that doesn't mean that's our revenue goal..

Marco Rodriguez

Okay, so to be clear, so the 7% to 9%, that's just a theoretical number you're talking about, not necessarily what you're projecting or looking to target for fiscal 2019?.

Bob Whitman

I think that's fair to say. I mean, you were saying -- we said it in the meantime that we think we can grow 7% to 9% for a long time and so that's what we're simply saying is we think we will grow revenue by at least 7% to 9% this year..

Stephen Young

Marco, if you -- if you do the simple math and take -- how -- the way we ended this year and add 7% to 9% revenue growth and take 45% to 50% flow through that Bob talked about, you'll get to our -- essentially our adjusted EBITDA guidance..

Marco Rodriguez

Okay, kind of -- I'm sorry?.

Stephen Young

Does that make sense? Does that make sense?.

Marco Rodriguez

Kind of shifting gears here, just talking about the business model itself and the fact that obviously you're generating a lot more revenues from a recurring nature, just trying to get a better sense as far as when you think you start to see the quarterly cadence kind of flatten out a little bit more?.

Bob Whitman

On the subscription sales?.

Marco Rodriguez

Well, in general, I mean one of the things in the past you've always had is just this big hockey stick in Q4 and granted you still kind of have a little bit here in fiscal 2018.

Just kind of wondering when that's going to kind of level off?.

Bob Whitman

In the enterprise decision I think it's already leveling because of the high All Access Pass sales, we still have -- whatever we have left from the legacy facilitator business does tend to happen in the fourth quarter because it's getting less and the subscription is getting larger. Our revenue is flattening out substantially in the enterprise.

Education has continued to be -- have more than half of their revenues come in the fourth quarter but there's actually an effort there in which Sean has been carrying out, which is to start anytime -- we've kind of have the idea that hey, you have to implement this stuff at least in North America when it's summer and they'd come through -- we've all been working together on it but they've done a great job of coming through with a new idea of start anytime and figure out how to do that.

And so with the idea of doing exactly what you said. So I think enterprise is going to flatten out. It already is flatter and it's going to get flatter and flatter as we move forward so it will be -- I think the second quarter for us will always be a little light just because of the holidays but otherwise I think you'll start to see that.

It already is converging. Education I think over the next 3 or 4 years with a combination of this start anytime with our divisional model which is more of a light -- I mean, where they buy kind of a pass or a district, I should say district, will buy effectively an All Access Pass but it's a Leader In Me membership that will be amortized.

Those things were reflected in the fourth quarter, the education divisions subscription revenue grew 26% driven by those kinds of things. And so I think it will probably take us a couple of years before it's -- before education is substantially more flat but I think enterprise already is and will continue to be. Will continue to flatten I should say..

Marco Rodriguez

And the last question, just -- I don't know if I missed this on the call but can you provide a little bit of an update here on the international licenses just kind of where you are in the process of transitioning them over to the All Access Pass model?.

Bob Whitman

You bet.

Paul?.

Paul Walker President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

So we talked in the past about the biggest barrier for them was getting the portal up and running and available in all languages, that's now done and so that work has been done that the -- all of our content now is in the -- with the exception of the 4 -- the 4 new solutions we launched, what we're working on is now all localized and translated.

They're off and running.

We had a big partners conference to kick off the year in September, did additional training with them and so they are underway selling the All Access Pass and have sold 40 or so passes so far and we continue to -- we want to run the same process there that we've run in our English speaking direct operations and when we say international licensee partners, Japan and China would be in the same camp even though they're direct operations.

They're on a similar time schedule with our licensee partners all really running now fully on All Access Pass..

Operator

Our next question is from Samir Patel with Askeladden Capital..

Samir Patel

So I was going to ask Paul about multiyear but you already talked about that.

Are you still having the Investor Day on January 17?.

Paul Walker President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

We are and we'll be starting to get the information out about it but yes, we're having it on the 17th. The thought is to -- we'll have a dinner the night before for those who want to come in early and we'll get -- we'll have a schedule out here in the coming weeks..

Samir Patel

Okay, cool. And since I somehow managed to beat Patrick in the queue, I will steal his usual question and talk about buybacks a little bit.

More -- you know more a comment than a question guys, but look -- so just using -- and I know 8% is conservative, right, but just using 8% as the revenue growth number, you run a DCF at a fair value on your stock is something like $45.00, $46.00 a share, right? Maybe it's $50.00-plus if you do well, maybe it's high $30.00's if you don't, but the market's brain damaged from pricing your stock at $23.00 a share.

And then I look at your balance sheet and you've got less than half a turn of net debt to EBITDA and considering all of the visibility in your business model, I don't think there's any incremental risk really in taking out another turn or two of EBITDA, right? And so if you did that, you'd be able to buy back 20% of the -- 20% of the stock is basically half of its fair value.

So I'm just curious if you -- I'm leverage versed, I know you guys are too but I'm curious if you would be willing to devote kind of more than your excess cash generated to repurchasing stock at these levels?.

Bob Whitman

Yes. Yes, we would..

Samir Patel

Cool. We'll do it, that's all I have to say is go do that, I don't care if it's a tender or open market or whatever, but just do it..

Bob Whitman

Yes, we would. I mean we'll be conservative on the debt but you just outlined exactly the case and we have the liquidity and we're headed the right direction. We have capacity and can add to it so we agree with exactly your analysis. Although you said it much better than we would have said it..

Operator

And our next question is from Patrick Retzer with Retzer Capital Management. Please go ahead. Your line is now open. .

Patrick Retzer

So I'm particularly excited about your outlook for the adjusted EBITDA growing from $11.9 million to $36 million by fiscal year 2021 and I -- I the past you've had slides that address this but I'm won -- I'm hoping that you would indulge me and just in broad strokes talk about why you think you'll achieve that with the earnings leverage, the CapEx declining as a percentage of revenue et cetera?.

Bob Whitman

Yes, so I think really what's driving it, and that's what I think the formula that Steve talked about.

If you take 7% to 9% growth, actually that math, you take the two-- if you just take the range of 7% to 9% growth and think those are the outside boundaries on a 2x2 matrix and say the flow through percentage of 45% to 50% for two years and then 40% in the third year, that's the math and so what's behind it, those five drivers I talked about, but really I think the things that's driving it is that you've got on the revenue side of course, to help you do that, you've got the ramp up of existing salespeople, the productivity of -- the productivity of the people who are ramped-up, the ramp-up of those we've already hired and the hiring of new who will drive new pass sales that then tend to repeat at -- on the subscription side at very high, above 90% levels and then you're adding services onto the top of that.

And so when you make a sale, it can -- it stays there and that's one thing driving it. The decline in the traditional onsite facilitators is now moderated substantially.

It's so low that it's not very meaningful so you don't have the drag there, and so if you ramp up the sales people, keep more than 100% of the revenue from between your retention and add-on services, have very high margins and commissions, commissions that you pay the salespeople on the incremental revenue obviously your contribution on incremental revenue you generate is very high.

And so even with investments, ongoing investments and content I mean, we're not saying that we're going to reduce the investment level, we're just saying the incremental investments are really small, we're still making really substantial investments and even with that we think there's, like you say, there's very high flow through because you've got less growth in investments plus all of this leverage in the model that which is the reason why we were willing to disrupt the old model which is actually pretty good and go for this one is that we think there's just a lot more leverage in this model..

Patrick Retzer

The only fault I can find is your first slide that shows the climber still over the abyss and I would argue….

Bob Whitman

I started a month ago Pat, we were still over the abyss and now we're across..

Patrick Retzer

A few months ago you never were still over the abyss. Congratulations and I'm looking forward to the ride..

Operator

Thank you. We have no further questions at this time. I'd like to hand it back to Bob for closing remarks..

Bob Whitman

Great.

Well, again, we just wanted to thank everyone for your tremendous support and we hope today was helpful and trying to get in light of the fact that it's been opaque during the transition with our accounting and everything else, now that we feel like we really have strength of understanding of what's going on and that's real and has now got three years behind it accelerating, we feel like today is probably a good time to give increased visibility into what we see for the future.

So we appreciate this and we're looking forward to a good year and look forward to talking to you next quarter. Thanks so much..

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect..

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