Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the DiamondRock Hospitality Company's Fourth Quarter 2022 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After the speakers' presentation, there will be a question-and-answer session.

[Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today's conference is being recorded. And I would now like to hand the conference over to your speaker today, Ms. Briony Quinn, Senior Vice President and Treasurer. Ms. Quinn, please go ahead..

Thank you, Chris. Good morning, everyone. Welcome to DiamondRock's fourth quarter 2022 earnings call and webcast. Before we get started, let me remind everyone that many of our comments today are not historical facts and are considered to be forward-looking statements under federal securities laws.

As described in our filings with the SEC, these statements are subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause future results to differ materially from those expressed in or implied by our comments today. In addition, on today's call, we will discuss certain non-GAAP financial information.

A reconciliation of this information to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measure can be found in our earnings press release. With that, I'm pleased to turn the call over to Mark Brugger, our President and Chief Executive Officer.

Mark?.

one, an optimally balanced portfolio to the leisure group and business demand segments. Note, that our earnings mix in 2023 is projected to be about 60% from our urban markets and just over 40% from our resort markets; Two, a high number of ROI projects completed and pending that should deliver double-digit returns.

Three, a portfolio that is the least encumbered of all the full-service public lodging REIT -- REITs, which gives us enhanced liquidity, control an exit value. And fourth and finally, a balance sheet advantage with nearly $600 million in liquidity to opportunistically drive incremental shareholder value.

On the top of external growth, we expect to have an advantage on acquisitions this year as the debt markets are likely to remain very challenging for PE firms and other private buyers in 2023. With our significant dry powder, we are ready to pounds on opportunities that emerge.

While there is a low volume of deals currently on the market, a core skill of our team remains in finding off-market deals and unique opportunities. Our most recent acquisition, just a few months ago illustrates that point.

The deal for the Lake Austin Spa Resort came about through a relationship that we have cultivated over a number of years with a well-known private equity firm. This firm had originally uncovered opportunity I was very excited about it.

They had actually placed the property under contract, completed due diligence and we're about to go hard on their deposit when their lender walked from its loan commitment as the debt markets froze up last summer. We were then their first call.

And this created an opportunity for us to quietly come in and negotiate for the resort with a multi-million dollar discount as the seller did not want to have a second sale deal. Lake Austin is a spectacular acquisition for us.

We bought a high-end resort at a trailing NOI cap rate of nearly 9% and almost unheard of yield for a luxury property, one which will generate our highest total RevPAR and EBITDA per key.

As good as that is, since closing on the deal we have confirmed that there are considerable expansion possibilities on the site, which really make this one a home run. As we go forward, these are the kind of deals that we're looking for, high quality, great returns, and value add opportunities.

I'll now turn the call over to Jeff to discuss the numbers in greater detail.

Jeff?.

Thanks. As Mark said, it was a record quarter and record year for DiamondRock. Total comparable revenues for the company were $257 million in the quarter, an increase of $47 million or nearly 23% over the comparable period in 2021. Comparable RevPAR for the portfolio in the fourth quarter was $196 or 6.7% higher than 2019.

This growth was driven by room rates over 19% above 2019, occupancy is down 780 basis points to 2019. Closing this gap remains one of several sources of future growth. Other revenue, which speaks directly to our asset management team's creativity in identifying and expanding new income streams was up 31% or $5.1 million over 2019.

F&B revenue was over $5.2 million above 2019, driven by the repositioning of several F&B outlets during the pandemic. We will share with you soon several new or upgraded outlets we are working on for 2023 and beyond, that will continue to drive profits to new levels.

Comparable hotel adjusted EBITDA was $77 million, which beats fourth quarter 2019 by $11.2 million or 17%. Comparable hotel adjusted EBITDA margins were 30%, up 724 basis points over 2021 and 192 basis points to 2019. Adjusted EBITDA was $67.4 million, nearly $5 million over fourth quarter 2019.

And finally, FFO per share was $0.23 or 85% of the fourth quarter of 2019. Demand across the portfolio remained robust in the fourth quarter, but was specifically the demand at our urban hotels that surpassed our expectations in the fourth quarter as it has throughout 2022.

Recall that at the end of the third quarter, we expected our RevPAR in our urban hotels to finish at 80% to 85% of 2019 levels. Short-term group and business transient demand, however, drove urban RevPAR to 97.5% of 2019, outperforming our forecast.

Short-term group in business transient continue to improve and we still have significant room for further gains as the citywide calendar across our footprint is stronger in 2023 and 2024 than it was in 2022.

Resort portfolio -- resort performance remained strong with total RevPAR up nearly 29% over the same period in 2019, driven by a greater than 40% increase in room rates. It is important to note that Q4 occupancy was still 8 percentage points behind 2019, which means we have room to run in 2023 and 2024 at our resorts.

Our fourth quarter resort profit -- resort profit margins were 341 basis points above 2019. We are confident resorts will hold on the premium performance going forward because of the strong secular demand for experiential travel and high barriers to new competitive supply. So let's talk about the demand segments.

Leisure revenues were great, up 26% in the quarter compared to 2019 on a 29% increase in average daily rates. The resort markets had some variations. We expect healthy growth this season in markets like Vail and Huntington Beach. Additionally, group oriented resorts like our Fort Lauderdale Beach Resort can mix shift, group up, and lock in performance.

Key West continues to show strong growth in peak demand, we expect giving back a little occupancy relative to 2021 in the lower demand shoulder periods. Nevertheless, Key West remains at dramatically higher performance levels than in 2019 with great flow-through and incredible profit margins. BT is probably the most interesting story.

Business transient revenues were $47 million in the quarter, that's up 22% over the fourth quarter of 2021, driven by nearly 32% increase in average daily rate. Fourth quarter BT revenues were nearly 90% of the same period in 2019, but on a -- but on 21% higher room rates.

We believe BT will continue to be a significant source of growth for DiamondRock. BT was over 25% of rooms sold in Q4 2022 versus 34% of rooms sold in Q4 2019. In full-year 2021, BT revenues were roughly 50% of 2019 levels, and in 2022, BT revenues were 77% of 2019.

So, no matter how you look at the data, there is significant room for continued growth from the burgeoning return of corporate travel. Group demand was strong in the quarter. Fourth quarter group revenues were nearly 103% of the same period in 2019, an acceleration from 91% of 2019 for full year 2022.

The group room rate was up nearly 13% in the quarter, an improvement from 10% growth in full year 2022. Banquet revenue is at nearly 99% of 2019 levels and the quality of our group is improving, and we expect total group spend to accelerate as we move through 2023 and 2024.

When groups come and they are coming, they are spending significantly outside the room. We have a terrific setup for 2023 and beyond. Citywide calendars in our core markets are already in line or ahead of total room production in 2022, pointing to a stronger base of business in the market.

Boston, Phoenix, Washington D.C., Chicago, and San Diego are all well positioned. Specific to our hotels, there are over 450,000 group room nights on the books at the start of this year with an expected total production of nearly 740,000 room nights budgeted for 2023.

This compares to approximately 540,000 room nights on the books at the start of 2019 and final total production of 782,000 room nights in 2019. Given the increased availability in our calendar and a strong citywide calendar, we expect to see outsized growth in short term in the year for the year Group sales, just as we saw throughout 2022.

Switching gears, we continue to be excited by the growth of our -- of our ROI Projects. We upgraded four hotels in the past two years, including The Hythe Vail, The Lodge in Sonoma, Margaritaville in Key West, and the Clio in Cherry Creek. Collectively these four hotels are producing $15.5 million more profit than they did in 2019.

This is a 56% increase in hotel adjusted EBITDA and 50% ahead of initial underwriting. This year, we will convert the Hilton Burlington to the Lifestyle Curio Collection. This will involve completely reimagining the arrival and lobby experiences, as well as adding a new restaurant overseen by a local James Beard award-winning chef.

In Boston, a major repositioning of the Hilton is underway and later this year we will unveil the most exciting lifestyle hotel in downtown, serving both Faneuil Hall leisure and financial district business travelers. There is more to come down the road.

Franchise agreements at our Courtyard Denver Downtown and Westin Boston Seaport expire in the next few years and we'll present value creation opportunities. An exciting transformation involves the opportunity to reinvent the Orchards Inn in Sedona.

Last year, the Orchards ran at $700 night discount to our adjacent L’Auberge de Sedona Resort and the Orchards has unparalleled panoramic views of Sedona's red rock formations. So our plan is to reposition that hotel to capture much of that rate differential. We will have more to share as our master plan develops.

We have been active acquirers in the past 18 months and performance of our new hotels have been strong. Our two resorts in Destin collectively generated NOI of over $10 million in full-year 2022, exceeding initial underwriting by 15%.

In Marathon, EBITDA at the tranquility BAY Resort was ahead of initial underwriting by 51% or $2.7 million, in fact, tranquility yielded 12.5% on its purchase price in its first year.

The Bourbon in New Orleans is right in line with pro forma expectations and just like the Shorebreak in Fort Lauderdale, executing on our three year business plan to enhance from positioning to achieve new levels of profitability.

Lake Austin, which Mark spoke about was acquired in late November and still manage to surpass the initial underwriting in the final weeks of 2022. Switching briefly to ESG matters. We are proud to be named the hotel sector leader in the Americas by GRESB for the third consecutive year.

We introduced new environmental and social targets for 2030, as well as our goal to become a net zero company by 2050. This and much more can be found in our 2022 Corporate Responsibility Report we published to our website in December. As Mark mentioned earlier, we recast and expanded our credit facility in 2022.

We have nearly $600 million of total liquidity between our cash on hand in our undrawn revolver, which is fully available to us. During the quarter, we placed $150 million, I’d say, during the first quarter, we placed $150 million of incremental interest rate swaps.

As of this moment, 68% of our total debt and preferred capital is either fixed or swapped. The most effective way to manage interest rate exposure is, of course, to maintain low leverage from the start. And on this point, we concluded 2022 with net debt to EBITDA of 4 times and a weighted average debt maturity of 3.7 years.

We have no material near-term debt maturities and 31 of our 35 assets are unencumbered by debt. Moreover, we have no significant deferred maintenance, which can be a hidden pressure on the true investment capacity and leverage of the company.

These qualities put DiamondRock in a unique position, particularly for a company our size to be opportunistic on capital allocation, whether that is taking advantage of pricing dislocation of our common or preferred securities, pursuing value-added ROI projects are capitalizing upon opportunities in real estate markets.

We continue to review accretive recycling opportunities within our portfolio, but we are being prudent to maximize shareholder value. On that note, I will turn the floor back to Mark..

Thanks, Jeff. Our outlook remains constructive. Importantly, we are starting from a position of strength. Our portfolio recovered quickly as our portfolio is favorable composition led to all-time record performance. We also ended 2022 with great profit margins, 184 basis points above prior peak.

For 2023, the significant variability of the overall US economy in our view makes providing guidance little value at this time.

Like the rest of the industry, we do expect some challenges this year to profit growth margins from rising property taxes and insurance costs, as well as from increases in hotel staffing and wages that occurred progressively throughout 2022. By the end of 2023, we expect expense comparisons to normalize.

Also for this year, we are projecting corporate G&A to be approximately $32.5 million and interest expense to be roughly $61 million. However, despite these headwinds, travel demand continues to be very strong and our operator-prepared budgets show growth in every segment of the business in 2023.

We will strive to set new records for comparable total revenues and hotel adjusted EBITDA again this year. As we look out even further, we remain optimistic on travel generally and we expect the industry decline to new heights this cycle.

We remain bullish on the future of leisure travel in particular, experiences are one of the most highly valued and sought-after assets in the world and travel is unique for its ability to satisfy that consumer need.

Leisure was a long-term outperformance trend line well before the onset of the pandemic, and we believe that this positive trend will only continue in the years to come. This gives us high conviction that our resort properties will maintain a significant premium to 2019 performance and build upon that base going forward.

Our urban hotels which still constitute the majority of our portfolio have an attractive footprint [Technical Difficulty] that will drive a second tailwind for DiamondRock. That combined with the already achieved success at our resorts has the power to take us to new highs in revenues and profits.

The group funnel for future business at our urban hotels looks great, as the need to get teams together is more necessary now than ever. As our business transient, there is still room for improvement and uncertainty on where demand will ultimately settle out, but there is clearly positive momentum.

To wrap up, 2022 was a record year for DiamondRock and we believe that we are well positioned for this cycle, with a model portfolio, focused strategy, and ample liquidity to move quickly. It remains a great time to be in the travel industry. Now we would like to open it up for your questions..

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] One moment please for our first question. Our first question will come from Smedes Rose of Citi. Your line is open..

Hi. Thanks. Good morning. I wanted to ask you, Mark and Jeff, you talked a little bit about the gap to occupancies in 2019, and it sounds like you believe that that gap can continue to close in 2023.

And I'm just wondering kind of what gives you confidence there? Do you feel like it's more on the business side or just more on the leisure side? And I guess, if you could maybe just couple that with your remarks around margin pressures in 2023? I kind of lost you right there at the end.

I mean, are you expecting margins to be flat or kind of decline in 2023 versus 2022? If you could just speak to that a little bit..

Hi, Smedes. This is Mark. Good morning. So to take the first question on occupancy. Yes, we expect the majority of the gain this year to be in occupancy, particularly at the urban hotels. If you look at -- January is a harbinger. Occupancy was up versus last year 15.8% and we're seeing almost all of that come through the urban properties.

So, there is room to run there. Group is going to be a big part of that component and we sell momentum building as you -- as Jeff talked about in the prepared remarks as we move through 2022, concluding the fourth quarter at almost parity to where we were in 2019.

So, I think the data and the momentum and the trend line are pretty clear that occupancy gains are going to be significant as we move into 2023.

On margins, there are pressures I mentioned in my concluding remarks that we are seeing like the rest of the industry wage pressures, property insurance taxes, the kind of normal [cadre] (ph) of things that are going to be affected by inflation.

We are offsetting those by productivity gains, we do have less managers at the properties, we are doing things differently, we have number of energy initiatives, we've tight cost controls on food, we've changed menus to eliminate the more expensive food items and replace this with things that haven't had the same kind of inflationary pressures.

So we're doing a number of things to try to mitigate the inflation pressure on expenses. I think on total, if we looked at 2023, if we could hold GOP margins flat, we would consider that success..

So, can you just say and just to follow up, what sort of percentage features are you expecting I guess in wages and benefits and at the property level for 2023?.

So, we've not given specific guidance, but we've seen it ranges from 4% to 18% in our properties. So, it's a little bit misleading on the percentages, some of the low-cost markets the percentages actually been higher. So you might move from $14 to $17. And then in some of the higher wage markets you might be at $28 already.

So, the increase is smaller but it's on a much larger base. So we're seeing wide variability within the portfolio. But we would expect the industry to be up high single digits, certainly, in expenses this year..

Okay. All right, thank you..

Thank you. One moment please for our next question. One moment again. Our next question will come from Dany Asad of Bank of America. Your line is open..

Hi, good morning everybody. Mark, just clarifying. I think in your prepared remarks, you were talking about operator prepared budgets are showing growth in every segment for 2023.

Does this hold true for all four quarters of the year or is this 1Q kind of driving a lot of that?.

The growth in this year, given the comps for last year is going to be weighted towards the first half of the year. Certainly, the 40% increase we had in RevPAR in January isn't going to be consistent for every month of this year, but it looks good.

I mean, every segment whether it's group business or resorts, we're showing growth on the operating prepared budgets. So, we're encouraged by that trend..

Awesome. Great.

And then my other question for you is, how are you underwriting leisure rates for this year as you kind of -- in your budgets, kind of as we look into all of 2023?.

Yeah, it's interesting. Leisure is very disparate this year. So while, for instance, Jeff talked about in the prepared remarks, Key West in the shoulder seasons is getting a little softer.

We're going to see new record performance and very strong performance in Q1 at Vail, Sonoma, Huntington Beach, all continue to accelerate in their ability to charge higher rates.

So, I think as we look at underwriting to your specific question, it's really very market specific and what the individual leisure demand drivers are in that particular market..

Got it. Thank you very much..

Thank you. Again, one moment please for our next question. And our next question will come from Michael Bellisario of Baird. Your line is open..

Thanks. Good morning, everyone. Mark or maybe for Jeff, just on group trends.

I was hoping you could perhaps differentiate what you're seeing in terms of spend and booking behavior at your big box hotels versus what you're seeing on the group side of your resort properties?.

Jeff, do you want to take that one?.

Sure. I mean we continue to see growth in group demand throughout the portfolio. I think as Mark mentioned on the resort side maybe first, part of our success going forward is as we've seen a little bit of fall off in leisure transient, [Technical Difficulty] were filling incremental demand.

But we did about 7% incremental group bookings in the fourth quarter versus the same quarter in 2019 at rates that are over 10% higher. So, we continue to see the group booking trends accelerate throughout the portfolio.

And just given that shorter booking window and given our larger space availability throughout the portfolio, we're pretty excited about group opportunities as the year progresses..

Helpful. And then just a follow-up on the Lake Austin acquisition.

Mark, you touched on a little bit, can you provide maybe some timing or maybe your initial thoughts on the timing of some of those longer-term ROI projects and redevelopment potential there at the property?.

Sure. So, this is Mark. We disclosed on asset in November, but we've been working with the land use attorneys and others in evaluating the rights that we have with the property. So we think we have significant -- we've confirmed with the land user that we have significant expansion opportunities.

It will probably take us a couple years to actually get through that. There is an extension of the silver lines or things that would need to get done, but we feel fairly confident that we have the ability to do it and we're going to evaluate this year, the kind of the master plan and get it locked in and be able to execute on it..

Mr.

Bellisario?.

That's all from me. Thank you..

Thanks, Michael..

Thank you. One moment please for our next question. Our next question will come from Anthony Powell of Barclays. Your line is open..

Hi, good morning. Just a question on revenues and margins. If you could maybe get into what you think you need to RevPAR growth to be this year for your portfolio to get to those flat GOP margins? And maybe talk about that more on an ongoing basis given the -- given wage pressures, insurance costs and what not on an ongoing basis..

Sure. It's hard, because we are not giving specific guidance. But the industry [indiscernible] they're saying the industry is up 3.7%, upper upscale up about 8 -- grow over 8%. We think that kind of environment generally for upper upscale we'd be able to hold margins for the industry to kind of GOP flat. So that's the environment.

It will depend how the economic outlook plays out. But right now that I think that's kind of a fair assessment on margins.

Jeff, anything else to add on that?.

No, that's the -- comment I was going to make as well, just as earlier you mentioned that we should be expecting sort of high single digit expense increases. So same to get high single digit to get flat margins, GOP margins [indiscernible] actually high single digit revenue growth..

Got it. And I guess more on the economic outlook. I mean you talked about the opportunity to have good short-term bookings later this year.

I guess given the uncertain environment, how certain are you in your ability to drive some of those short-term bookings in group throughout the year?.

Yes. So I would say a couple of comments on the group piece. So, we saw in the fourth quarter as Justin mentioned the acceleration of bookings in the quarter, for the quarter and in the quarter for 2023. So, we crossed over the end of the year with good momentum.

The window for booking group remain shorter than pre-pandemic, so people are booking even large groups on relatively short timelines, that seems to be the world order that we're in this year.

I think we're really encouraged on not only the momentum that we experienced in the fourth quarter, but the fact that the availability that remains in 2023 is still on some very attractive dates. Sometimes when we have -- we crossover, we have sold the best date, all the best dates if you will.

But we still have very attractive dates like summer time in Boston, summer time in Chicago, that are still available and that gives us more confidence in the ability to close the book -- group booking gap and the fact that we're going to be able to put high quality groups into those open periods..

Great, thank you..

Thank you. And one moment please for our next question. Our next question will come from Duane Pfennigwerth of Evercore ISI. Your line is open..

Hey, good morning. Thank you. Just with respect to the -- I think you put out that January up 10.5% relative to 2019 in your investor deck.

Sorry for the short-term question, but could you put sort of January in context from a comps perspective relative to February and March, the balance of the March quarter?.

Yeah. Duane, good morning. This is Mark. I'll make a couple of comments on Q1. So, we did pre-announced January. So the results as you mentioned, were up 10.5% over 2019, up 39.6% over 2022. We do anticipate that Q1 will be the biggest year from the easy comp to Q1 of 2022 with Omicron impact.

But we're expecting the entire quarter to be fairly robust and all the urban markets in fact, we expect total RevPAR to exceed 2019 levels at our hotels in markets like Salt Lake City, Dallas Fort Worth, New York and Phoenix.

So, that's going to help power our Q1, overall, and even the resorts, as I mentioned, while Florida Keys may be moderating from being up over 50% from 2019, we still expect robust growth in Q1 from resorts in Vail, Huntington Beach, Sonoma among others.

So, we expect to finish, I think total Q1 with total RevPAR that is up double digits, low double digits, 2019. So, I'd say January is not out of line with what we expect for the quarter and we expect those overall results for the quarter versus 2019 will probably put us at the front of the pack among the peer set..

That's helpful. Helpful color. Thank you. And then just, the comment on the Florida Keys and maybe what we're seeing is just sort of normal seasonality coming back relative to a period of time where there was no seasonality was sort of peak forever.

I'm just wondering, is your approach to revenue management different in these off-peak shoulder seasons? Is there something through the pandemic that you learned that changes your approach to off-peak versus the past? And thanks for taking the questions..

Hi, Duane. On the Florida Keys, let's say we can't own enough Florida Keys in some ways. So, we're talking about rates that are 50% higher than they were in 2019 with incredible ability to flow that higher rate to the bottom line. So, it's incredibly profitable place to be.

What we're seeing is, I think the impact last year of Omicron where people could all of sudden they got there another 60 days of work from home that they didn't anticipate and they were trying to figure somewhere where they could drive to and take advantage of the last gasp of work from home before they had to go back to the office couple days a week.

And the floors were -- they really participated in that surge if you will from the last minute pushback caused by the Omicron variant. So what we're seeing now is, yes, of course, this week we can still push it. But that unusual surge that we saw is moderating a little bit.

And when I mean moderating, it sounds like it's going back to anywhere close to 2019, we are targeting small percentage declines. And our strategy is to maintain rate. We've retrained the traveler to pay rates that are 50% -- sometimes 100% higher than they were four years ago, and we're not -- we're not going to get back $1 that very easily.

So that's our strategy..

Thank you very much..

Thank you. One moment please for our next question. Again, one moment, please. Our next question will come from Patrick Scholes of Truist Securities. Your line is open..

Hi, good morning. Most of my questions have been answered. Just when we think about comparable margins versus 2019 and ability to have permanent margin increase.

So, what are your latest thoughts on that, may not been specifically those, but if we go back six months a year ago, sort of the industry you're thinking plus 100 basis points, maybe 200 basis points. Is that -- would that something like that still be on the table? Thank you..

Yeah. I’ll let Jeff explains the details, but we ended 2022 184 basis points above 2019. So I think DiamondRock proves that we can operate hotels with higher margins. Now in 2023, there will be some expense pressures. So there'll be some pressure against that margin increase. But we're already substantially higher than we were in 2019.

Jeff, do you want to jump in with some details?.

Yeah. I was also going to just chime in on that, Patrick, that I think on the resort side of the portfolio, as Mark mentioned earlier, that's where our rate growth has been highest and our flows have been strongest. And I think that's going to be the area to where you continue to see our premium performance on margins holding out better.

There's a lot of structural reasons for that. As it relates to -- for everything from taxes and insurance to labor costs in those markets that drive that. But I think that's probably where you will see those premium margins more apt to be held in relative to 2019..

Okay. Thank you. I'm all set..

Thank you. One moment please for our next question. Our next question will come from Chris Woronka of Deutsche Bank. Your line is open..

Yeah. Hey, good morning guys. Mark, I think you mentioned in the prepared comments, you still have a lot of room to go even as the resorts on occupancy.

And the question would be, do you think -- can you get that at the rates that you want to get, or is it -- is there going to be a function of eventually rates come down or goes up, which obviously is a little tougher for margins.

I mean how do you get that full occupancy back in resorts?.

Hi, Chris. It's a great question. The resorts are really [indiscernible] their own micro-businesses, and it's going to be different at different kinds of resorts. In Fort Lauderdale, for instance, Justin was saying we're grouping up to replace some of that leisure.

So the way we're going to get back to that kind of max [indiscernible] hotel like for Lauderdale, which has a great group meeting platform is that, we're going to supplement in more and more group than we had last year and that's going to allow us to close that gap.

Some other hotels, if you have 100 room hotel that has no group, it's going to be harder to recover that and we're going have to play with the rate strategy there a little bit to figure out where the maximum profit mix is on revenues. So, the overall goal is to continue to maximize profits.

We'll close some of the occupancy gap through adding group throughout the portfolio, but it might not close entirely in 2023..

Okay. Thanks, Mark. And then I was hoping we could go back to the comment about group and still having some prime dates. I thought that's a little bit unusual, maybe different than what we've heard from others.

I mean are those -- again are those open because rates are at a level where there is more selective demand? And I mean, do you worry at all that, that you're going to miss it if something changes in the macro and it's truly to even get closen?.

That's a good question. I think it's more the fact that our portfolio, a lot of the prime dates in markets like Chicago and Boston are still six months out, five, six months out. And the nature of group bookings days is a little shorter window. So I think it just happens to be the geography of our portfolio.

We're actually super happy with the way it's playing out on a calendar basis this year. But I'll let Justin add any details for the question..

I think it also comes down to average group size. I mean, our portfolio [indiscernible] maybe a little bit smaller than some of our competitors and those average groups that are maybe 50 to 150 rooms are going to book shorter rather than maybe of the larger hotels, there of 500 and plus.

So, it gives us the ability to sort of look towards a higher percentage of our business from that short-term booking window..

Okay, very helpful. Thanks, guys..

Thank you..

Thank you. And one moment please for our next question. Our next question will come from Floris van Dijkum of Compass Point LLC. Your line is open..

Thanks guys for taking my question. I know you're not providing guidance but you're hoping to keep margins the same and you're saying that some of your costs could go up, your operating costs could go up by 8%-ish or somewhere in that range, which would essentially mean that your EBITDA would have to go higher as well.

I mean put another way, is there -- under what scenario do you see EBITDA going down, borrowing a hard-to-Heartland recession, what scenario do you see DiamondRock posting negative EBITDA growth in 2023? That's my first question..

First of all, we're not giving guidance. But as we mentioned earlier, STR has a guidance of 3.7% for the industry and high single digits for upper upscale in that environment. That's the environment that we think we can hold GOP margins flat if that's kind of the economic scenario that they're utilizing that's how the industry plays out.

We think we can do well in that environment. So hopefully that's helpful..

It is, Mark. It is. I just -- I guess, this is my second question is, I noticed you still had last year two hotels that actually posted negative EBITDA. Your Embassy Suites in Bethesda and you're Kimpton in Fort Lauderdale.

Maybe talk a little bit about that and maybe also touch upon actually your highest EBITDA producer which doesn't really fit into, I think where you want to take the company which is your Chicago Marriott, which represents over 10% of your EBITDA, what -- how should we think about that hotel going forward and how would you replace the lost income if you were to trade out of that -- out of that asset..

So on the two that you mentioned, Bethesda Suites had a brand transition which was disruptive. So that's the reason -- negative EBITDA, and it's ramping back up this year. The short break in Fort Lauderdale, we acquired, we're repositioning that asset. So as anticipated, we're doing the roof in that.

Repositioning won't be done until probably the end of the second quarter this year and it's smart, but these are tiny assets for the overall portfolio. But both are -- both were in transition, that's the reason.

On Chicago Marriott, it had a great year exceeding our expectations, the market and the ability for us to bring leisure and over the summer and then the group rebound as the year went in Chicago were ahead of our expectations. And so, we're very pleased with the performance of that asset.

As you mentioned, Chicago, we do think about monetizing some of our Chicago assets as we move forward, thinking about portfolio composition and clearly having the better results puts us in a better position to do that.

Right now, the market is not very accommodating for large asset sales, given the inability to secure large loans but that will probably change as the year progresses on. So we'll continue to monitor the debt markets and think about those things and capital recycling.

And if we did monetize a branded -- hard branded asset, it's going to be continuing putting that dollars back into the areas where we think there's going to be outsized growth over the next decade. And that's in Lifestyle experiential assets in very high-barrier to entry markets. So it's going to be more of what we've been buying.

It's going to be more in Lake Austin, it's going to be more in Henderson Beach, it's going to be unique assets like the Bourbon Orleans and the French Quarter. We continue to move the company in that direction and you're seeing it.

Our results were tremendous in 2022 in large part because we've been positioning the -- positioning the portfolio for those demand trends that have been really compelling over the last couple of years..

Thanks, Mark..

Thank you..

Thank you. One moment please for our next question. Next question will come from Chris Darling of Green Street. Your line is open..

Thanks. Good morning, everyone.

Related to staffing levels, are you more or less running at the right headcount today or is there more work to be done in terms of hiring across the portfolio?.

Justin, do you want to take that one?.

Yeah. I think generally, we're running at required staffing levels to what we anticipate the business levels to be.

As we progressed through the year, we will have some comparables that are not perfect on a year-over-year basis, just given where business levels were same time last year as Omicron sort of worked its way through the country in early 2022.

But I think by the end of last year, we're pretty much fully ramped from a staffing perspective in terms of where we see operating fundamentals going forward. But those levels are in a lot of cases, significantly below 2019.

We've been able to really rethink and streamline the business as we ramp these fast back up from what was a pretty significantly reduced level during built the pandemic. I think our hotel, the Westin in Boston, it's probably a great example of that. We're forecasting about 20 less managers in 2023 budget versus 2019 operating level.

So, we've really found ways to complex roles throughout the portfolio, especially in some of the larger assets to find a more efficient and streamlined business model..

Got it, that's helpful. And then shifting gears, Mark you mentioned there's not too much available on the transaction market today. But curious if you've considered putting capital to work maybe in the form of net debt, preferred equity.

Just thinking about other ways to maybe get a foot in the door of assets you might like to own over the longer term..

Hey, Chris. It's a great question. We do have kind of strategic conversations all the time about capital deployment. But we love our balance sheet. We love the clean story of the DiamondRock is today. And frankly, there's a lot of competition from private equity in doing net debt and tranches of -- buying tranches of debt in other places.

And actually, the competition there is fairly intense. So, we're most likely to keep it relatively simple, not that we wouldn't do something creative on that front. But I think that it has to be a very, very high bar to overcome for us to move down that.

And frankly, we find opportunities that we've found that six opportunities, great acquisitions in the last 24 months. And while the volume is low on the market, we're having active conversations about deals, primarily off-market deals right now. So it's not like it's zero.

And one of the advantages of having only 35 assets of being our size, if we can do a few deals this year, it can really move the needle for us with the need to do $1 billion of acquisitions to be the top-performing REIT in 2023. So, I think we'll continue to find smart deals. One of the things we've been able to do is find off-market deals.

And looking at our pipeline, we have a number of those that we're in active dialog on today..

Got it. I appreciate the thoughts. That's all from me..

Thanks, Chris..

Thanks, Chris..

Thank you. One moment for our next question, please. Our next question will come from Stephen Grambling of Morgan Stanley. Your line is open..

Hi, thanks. The comments on the first quarter were helpful.

Are there any additional thoughts you can provide on the quarterly cadence for the remainder of the year as we think about big citywide or other factors to consider for whether it's revenue or margins by quarter? And as it related to follow-up, whether were cancellation fees in 2022, outside is there any way to think about how cancellation fees may have contributed on a quarterly basis last year?.

Jeff, do you want to take that one?.

Yeah. I mean, I'd say, see, we're not going to give guidance on revenues and margins by quarter. But as Mark said, our first quarter is probably going to be significant in terms of revenue growth.

I actually think that EBITDA growth year-over-year is probably going to be more of front-of-the-year weighted, just given the comparisons to last year and how the business ramps over last year. So I think from a risk-adjusted standpoint I think having our earnings more front-end weighted is an encouraging sign.

I'm looking at Justin, I'm not sure if we have the cancellation fee revenue handy or if we can always follow up with you offline..

Yeah. We did have like, I think most of our competitors, more cancellations versus 2019, but it was a little over $2 billion more than we had in 2019. So it's not, that material to over $1 billion in revenue. And I think it's less material to us, but it has to probably some. Some of our others with the larger group component..

Makes sense. That's it from me. Thanks so much..

Thank you. And one moment please for our next question. Our next question will come from Bill Crow of Raymond James. Your line is open..

Yeah, thanks. Good morning. Hey, Jeff. One for you. If we just think about revenues up in the mid to high single-digit range, which I think you've established and -- or the industry is, excuse me. And then we think about expenses up in a similar amount.

And we kind of get to a flattish EBITDA number, maybe a slight positive bias, but you have made transactions over the course of the year. I'm just thinking about how the portfolio changes would then be additive to kind of the baseline number..

Yeah. I guess I would say, Bill, that we tend to think of all this on a comparable basis. I mean, I guess when we're giving guidance or talking about the portfolio in that way, it is called the same store on that level. So I wouldn't think of the acquisitions as sort of incremental or outside of that.

We're trying to be as transparent as possible and adjust the transactions that we've already made in our past numbers and how we think about the year going forward. So, I don't know if that's helpful to you..

I guess, but in Austin for example, you only owned it for a short period of time, right? So, you're going to get that benefit rolling through this year?.

Certainly, it's a very profitable asset. But when we think about our year-over-year growth, we obviously looked at the historical contributions that asset would have made to the extent we had owned it for all prior periods..

Okay, all right. That's it. Thank you..

Thanks..

Thank you. And speakers I see no further questions in the queue. I would now like to turn the conference back to Mark Brugger for closing remarks..

Thank you. For everyone on the call, we appreciate your interest in DiamondRock, and we look forward to updating you next quarter. Have a great day..

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect and have a pleasant day..