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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q1
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Executives

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co. Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co..

Analysts

Alexia S. Quadrani - JPMorgan Securities LLC Michael B. Nathanson - MoffettNathanson LLC Jessica Jean Reif Cohen - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Benjamin Daniel Swinburne - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Anthony DiClemente - Nomura Instinet Todd Juenger - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co.

LLC John Janedis - Jefferies LLC Jason Boisvert Bazinet - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. David W. Miller - Loop Capital Markets LLC Bryan Kraft - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc..

Operator

Welcome to The Walt Disney Company Q1 FY 2017 Earnings Conference Call. My name is Victoria and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session. Please note that this conference is being recorded.

And I'll now turn the call over to your host, Lowell Singer, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations. Lowell, you may begin..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Good afternoon, and welcome to The Walt Disney Company's first quarter 2017 earnings conference call. Our press release was issued about 25 minutes ago and is available on our website at www.disney.com/investors. Today's call is also being webcast, and we will post a transcript and a copy of the webcast to our website.

Joining me for today's call are Bob Iger, Disney's Chairman and Chief Executive Officer; and Christine McCarthy, Senior Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Bob will lead off, followed by Christine, and then, of course, we'll be happy to take your questions. So with that, let me turn the call over to Bob and we can get started..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Ragnarok, the best Thor so far with a major crossover appearance by one of Marvel's most popular characters, the Hulk. One of our biggest success stories in 2016 came from Parks and Resorts with the opening of Shanghai Disneyland.

The park recently proved to be enormously popular with guests celebrating the Chinese New Year, operating at maximum capacity for virtually the entire holiday period. With the year's two peak seasons now behind us, we have welcomed more than 7 million guests to-date.

We're thrilled with this performance and could potentially exceed 10 million in total attendance by the resort's first anniversary.

The park's rapidly growing popularity, its extremely high levels of guest satisfaction, and the huge attendance during Chinese New Year add to our confidence in the resort's ability to reach breakeven in this fiscal year.

In our domestic parks, this year we'll open a great addition to Disney's Animal Kingdom with a brand new land called Pandora – The World of Avatar. Our imagineers have brought the breathtaking world of Pandora to life through astonishing feats of artistic genius and groundbreaking engineering.

The result is an exquisite environment with phenomenal attractions. And today I'm happy to announce this incredible new world will officially open on May 27. Additionally, our progress continues on Star Wars Lands at Disneyland Resort and Walt Disney World, both of which will open in calendar 2019.

Turning to Media Networks, we continue to address a dynamic evolving media environment. We're certainly well aware of the attention paid to ESPN and we're pleased with our implementation of strategies aimed at further strengthening ESPN's position and expanding its growth opportunities.

As outlined in our last call, these include launching ESPN on all new multi-channel services, including Sling TV, PlayStation Vue, DIRECTV NOW, and the soon to be launched Hulu. We're also continuing to invest in ESPN's industry-leading programming. And we're improving and growing ESPN's presence on mobile devices with new and compelling apps.

We're also investing in technology platforms to enable direct to consumer products, and to that end, I spent time with the team at BAMTech recently. And I'm very impressed and excited about the various initiatives being implemented to grow that business and to leverage its capabilities for our Media businesses.

Great content will continue to drive opportunities and growth in this changing environment. And given our incredible portfolio of high-quality, in-demand branded content, we're extremely well positioned to strategically and successfully navigate the dynamic marketplace and generate value for our consumers and our shareholders over the long term.

I'm going to let Christine take you through the details of the quarter. And then we'll be happy to take your questions.

Christine?.

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

The Force Awakens and the release of Zootopia. Overall, we are pleased with our first quarter results and with the start of the fiscal year. And with that, I'll now turn the call over to Lowell for Q&A..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Okay, Christine. Thanks a lot. Operator, we're ready for the first question..

Operator

Thank you. Our first question comes from Alexia Quadrani from JPMorgan. Please go ahead..

Alexia S. Quadrani - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Thank you. How should we think about the outlook for the Consumer Products business this year given what you know about the Studio slate or what we know about the Studio slate? I mean it looks very favorable from what we can see with the Princess character, Beauty and the Beast and Cars and Spider-Man.

I guess any other growth drivers such as higher royalty rates or additional international territories that you see as opportunities? Any color on that would be great..

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

Hi, Alexia. It's Christine. I think the best way look at Consumer Products is we had given you the outlook that they were going to be down for this first fiscal quarter, and they in fact were. But we expected them to have growth for the year, but most of that would be back end loaded. And that is the case.

So you should expect growth year-over-year for the second half, both third quarter and fourth quarter. The properties that are really going to contribute to that are going to be Cars and Spider-Man, and we expect that to be a strong back half of the year for Consumer Products..

Alexia S. Quadrani - JPMorgan Securities LLC

And just a bigger picture question I was going to ask on the Studio side, you've had such a stellar performance, obviously, so many home runs, particularly when some of your peers have had a bit of a slump. I guess with the slate ahead – I don't want to jinx it, it looks equally impressive.

I guess what gives us the confidence that this is more reflective of the assets you own and the franchises you've invested in versus sort of just a positive sort of streak that you're going through?.

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Well, I think if you look at the record, Alexia, since we bought Pixar, which was a decade ago, we've made about 30 films under Pixar and Disney Animation because John Lasseter and Ed Catmull took over that, and then Marvel and then Star Wars or Lucasfilm. And those films have averaged about $900 million in global box office.

So we're not – I'm sorry, about $800 million in global box office. So we don't think that there's a coincidence to this, and while obviously because we're dealing in a creative business there's risk associated. We think that we've done a really great job of de-risking the business.

Then that's a combination of the franchises we have and obviously the stories that we're mining, but also the talent that we have at the company or that we are attracting to the company to make those films. And we have a lot of visibility into the early part of the next decade of the film slate.

And we feel great about the projects that have been chosen and the progress that has been made on them..

Alexia S. Quadrani - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Thank you very much..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Thanks, Alexia. Operator, next question, please..

Operator

Our next question comes from Michael Nathanson from MoffettNathanson. Please go ahead..

Michael B. Nathanson - MoffettNathanson LLC

Thanks. I have two. First, Bob, and then Christine. Bob, I wonder if you could comment on a story that was in the Journal yesterday that you may extend your contract past 2018..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

What's the second question? All right I'll take – before you ask the second one..

Michael B. Nathanson - MoffettNathanson LLC

Thank you..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

When I targeted 2018 as the year that I was going to leave the company, it was a very personal decision. But I think as you know, I've been with this company for 43 years, and I've actually been CEO for almost a dozen years. And I'm going to do what's in the best interest of this company, which is something the board's clearly going to help determine.

And while I'm confident that my successor is going to be chosen on a timely basis and chosen well, if it's in the best interest of the company for me to extend my term, I'm open to that. But there's nothing specific to announce at this point. We have a good, strong succession process underway.

The board's engaged in this, as I've said before, on a regular basis. And the absence of any announcements or specifics about it should in no way indicate otherwise..

Michael B. Nathanson - MoffettNathanson LLC

Okay. Thanks, Bob. And then for Christine, in the press release it said the Parks and Resorts costs were flat in quarter, and it looks like there were some cost initiatives.

Can you tell us what you guys have done to control costs in the Parks? And how sustainable is low-single-digit cost inflation this year?.

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

Yeah. The Parks, as you saw the margin, in my comments, 24.4% operating margin. That's not only for the domestic operations, but that's for the global segment. So they've done a really good job on many fronts. And very importantly is their cost control. That's been through ongoing cost initiatives throughout their businesses.

And they've offset the normal increases that we would get through inflation and wage increases. So I think you can expect continued cost management in the Parks and continued strong margins..

Michael B. Nathanson - MoffettNathanson LLC

Okay. Thanks..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Michael, thank you. Operator, next question, please..

Operator

Our next question comes from Jessica Reif Cohen from Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Please go ahead..

Jessica Jean Reif Cohen - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Oh. Thanks. Two questions. One, the press release states that Hulu results were in line with a year ago. Can you discuss the ramp into its launch? And I guess overall expectations for this and other over-the-top services? And as part of that, Bob, I remember you saying that you were bullish on ESPN's outlook for subs in the last call.

Is that because of new services or due to better penetration by distributors like Comcast X1?.

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

First of all, on Hulu, as you know they've announced they're going to launch an over-the-top MVPD service. They have not been specific about a date. It's in, I think, private beta and will go into I guess more broad beta relatively soon. They've negotiated deals with a variety of different program or channel owners.

And so far in terms of what we've seen of the product, we're encouraged by it in terms of its user interface and actually have a lot of faith in it from a technological perspective as well.

To the second part of the question, my confidence in ESPN is due to a number of things, but clearly the deals that we have done with new platform owners, mostly over-the-top, have already yielded some nice gains from those services in subs, but they're not right now being counted fully by Nielsen. We've also done a deal with Hulu.

And we have done a deal with another entity that has not been announced, and we're in discussions with others. So it seems like we're on the cusp of some significant growth for new entrants in the multi-channel marketplace.

And what we like about them is they are mobile friendly or mobile first, their user interfaces tend to be very strong, and their pricing is priced substantially lower than the expanded basic bundle that most of the MVPDs are offering.

And that obviously we think gives us a chance to both attract consumers that may not sign-up for multi-channel service or hold consumers into multi-channel subscriptions. And then lastly, what's really important is the deals that we've negotiated for distribution, particularly for ESPN, are to be in all subs or all households launched.

And so these are light packages that offer us 100% penetration from those packages. And so we think that this wave that we're seeing is really a signal of what is to come and what the future will be.

And the other thing I think is really good about this is that if we end up with a world where the $40 to $50 a month package becomes more and more popular, that means that some consumers may obviously take the savings that they may have from that and spend it on other things or save it.

It also could mean they spend it on other video services and some of those services are services that we might offer.

When we talk about going with our own direct-to-consumer product, it is possible that the first product that goes into the marketplace will be in effect add-on or adjunct product that consumers can buy on top of what is their normal multi-channel package.

So if the multi-channel package is less expensive, consumers, you could argue, could have more spendable income or more money to spend on other video services, whether it's Netflix, whether it's Hulu, or whether it's other Disney-owned products that we're selling direct to the consumer. I also want to say one other thing, Jessica.

I mentioned it in my remarks, but I was at BAMTech a couple of weeks ago and the quality of that technology has just blown us away and the potential that we believe that has for us is enormous.

As you know, we've invested so that we own a third, we have a path to control, we are extremely excited about the prospects of what BAM is going to be doing near-term.

We will be launching a direct-to-consumer sports service sometime in probably calendar 2017, but we're also very excited about what the potential of this is long-term, both for the company and for third-parties who can use the product because the technological side of it is so strong in ways that are value enhancing for them as well..

Jessica Jean Reif Cohen - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Can you just address the advertising implications? Because you have so much direct-to-consumer and so much data on the users..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Well, one of the things that impressed me a lot from the BAMTech meeting that I had is what the potential is for them to use data to increase or to generate great revenue from advertising, something that we don't have today in part because a lot of our distribution comes through third-parties so we don't get access to that information..

Jessica Jean Reif Cohen - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Right. Thank you..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Jessica, thank you. Operator, next question, please..

Operator

Our next question comes from Benjamin Swinburne from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead..

Benjamin Daniel Swinburne - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Thanks. Good afternoon. Bob, last quarter you talked about both on the earnings call and I think at some conferences, digital distribution as a question mark and something that the company was thinking about strategically. You had DisneyLife in the market in a few regions. You made the BAMTech investment.

But how are you thinking about the distribution side of the business strategically? Do you think there is acquisitions you need to make to get ESPN where it needs to be or – and ABC long-term? Do you find just watching the market evolve and make your move from there? Any updated thoughts on how you're thinking about the M&A landscape and distribution assets? And then I'll just sneak one in on the parks.

From either you or Christine, any help in thinking about Avatar Land and sizing the opportunity? I'm trying to get a sense for how big of a needle mover that might be for the business when that opens in May..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

I'll take the second question, first, Ben. On Avatar Land, which, as I said earlier, will open on May 27.

This is a very big land with an extremely unique design and architecture because it really does make you feel as though you're in Pandora, that great world that Jim Cameron created, and an E-ticket attraction that is unlike any E-ticket attraction that we've ever built. And it is sizable. The whole experience is sizable.

And it is an add-on to Animal Kingdom, which has always been a good park but has never been a full-day experience. So we included or we added within the last year a nighttime Safari experience and some other entertainment.

And by adding this, we're going to be turning what is our fourth gate, the last one to be opened in Orlando, into a much fuller experience and that gives it a lot of potential. It's also the biggest new land that we've opened in Florida in a very long time and I think that's good for the whole business down there.

And to the extent that we can know this, we really believe that in the coming years, that the interest in Avatar is only going to grow as those movies enter the marketplace. And so we can't quantify it, but we think this is big potential.

The first question, we don't really believe we need to make any acquisitions to accomplish what we need to do on the digital side. In reality, we believe that the best approach to doing well in a world that is disruptive, in a world that has far more digital distribution, is to have great content and tell great stories.

And that includes ESPN, by the way. So if anything, I think the most important thing for ESPN is to continue to support and nurture their program offerings.

Second to that, you have to be willing to either create or experience some disruption as we migrate from what has been a more traditionally distributed world to a more modern or more non-traditional distribution world.

And some of that we're going to end up doing to ourselves, meaning we understand that there is disruption, but we believe we have to be a disruptor, too. And the investment in BAM, which is significant from a variety of different perspectives, is aimed at doing just that.

And we have to be careful because we have existing agreements and existing relationships and a lot of value still being reaped from the traditional distribution relationships. But I can tell you that it is our full intent to go out there aggressively with digital offerings direct to the consumer for ESPN and other Disney-branded properties..

Benjamin Daniel Swinburne - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Helpful. Thank you..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Thank you, Ben. Operator, next question, please..

Operator

Our next question comes from Anthony DiClemente from Nomura. Please go ahead..

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

Anthony?.

Anthony DiClemente - Nomura Instinet

Yeah, I'm here. Sorry..

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

Okay..

Anthony DiClemente - Nomura Instinet

Thanks for taking my questions and good afternoon. So just to keep the ball rolling on the BAMTech meeting, Bob, just curious what came out of that meeting in terms of specific sports content that would be included in it. I mean, you previously mentioned you had a lot of digital rights already.

Do you still think it's not necessary to go out and acquire incremental digital rights for it? And then just kind of following on to Ben's question, once it launches, do you think it would make sense for you to go and partner with a big Internet platform in order to help distribute that product? And if I may, one for Christine, please, just, Christine, on the quarter, what was the underlying affiliate fee growth rate for the Cable Networks segment? And then also, you mentioned the timing shifts of the College Football games in the quarter for the Cable net segment, what was the underlying ad growth or decline if you normalize out those timing shifts in the quarter? Thank you..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Wow. Okay, multi-pronged question. BAMTech has already licensed a number of digital rights to sporting events, and we have licensed at ESPN a number of them. So we bring to the table a fair amount of rights that can be added to the rights that they have.

And we're a minority shareholder right now, so I want to be careful, but our strong sense is as partners and as part owners is that we're going to continue to go out on behalf of the entity and license more content to that entity.

But they're going to start off with, I think, a wide array of pretty attractive sports that come from both what they've licensed and what we've licensed. When you see it all together and some of the early, I'll call it, concepts, you realize that there's a lot there and a lot more than anyone else has.

So I actually – and I think that there will be continued opportunities. In terms of distribution, do they need to enter into an agreement with a third-party entrant? I'll leave that to BAM ultimately to address, maybe at a time that they are ready to launch the product. I don't think it would be appropriate for me to speak on their behalf..

Anthony DiClemente - Nomura Instinet

Okay..

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

Anthony, on your drivers of the affiliate revenue in the quarter, as I said in my comments, the affiliate revenue growth was 4%. That was – rates impacted it by 7%. Subs were a two-point drag, and FX was a one point drag. And that's for Media Networks overall.

And these trends are consistent with the trends that we've had in recent quarters, so it's really no change. On advertising, as it relates ESPN, the ad revenue was down 7% in the quarter. The biggest driver of that was the shift in the College Football Playoff games three into 2Q.

You also had some ratings decline in SportsCenter, and that was in part due to fewer programming hours for SportsCenter. And also when talked about this last conference call for earnings was declines in Monday Night Football ratings.

But when you look at 2Q pacings, they're up even when you adjust for the College Football Playoff, which did have the most significant impact in 1Q..

Anthony DiClemente - Nomura Instinet

Thank you..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Thank you, Anthony. Operator, next question, please..

Operator

Our next question comes from Todd Juenger from Sanford Bernstein. Please go ahead..

Todd Juenger - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC

Hi. Thanks. I'll try to keep it for one for Bob and, one, Christine. Bob, would love your current thoughts on the business of kids television. I know there's lots of different ways to count audiences. It looks to us like conventionally defined audiences on your linear kids networks are down pretty significantly over multiple years.

You're not alone in that; it seems true for most kids networks. I just wonder as you process that and especially thinking about direct-to-consumer offerings, what that – what you take from that in terms of thinking about that business and how that looks in the future. And then, Christine, just a quick one for you.

Caught our eye – believe it or not, it looked like there was maybe an extra $1 billion or so cash contribution to fund the pension. So it caused me to think, it was probably worthwhile asking you in a rising rate environment a couple things.

Like how that might affect the pension expense that rolls through the parks and its impact on margins? And how it might affect cash contributions? And if there's anything else we need to think about that after seeing that $1 billion number. Thanks..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Hulu, Netflix, examples of that. And also the possibility of us taking Disney-branded television programming direct to the consumer. That's what we're doing in the U.K. with DisneyLife. It's a combination of movies, television programming, and then other Disney properties like digital books and music, for instance.

We're still in, what I'll call, an experimental stage, because we've been learning more and more about technology platform, churn rates, pricing, those sorts of things. But we do know that we have a brand and the product behind it to be able to take it direct-to-consumer.

So I think as we look at the future of our kids programming, we look at it in all likelihood as probably a blend of linear channels, some third-party licensing arrangements and also direct-to-consumer properties. And this is not just for the United States.

I had an interesting meeting with our country manager in India recently, where we own a number of channels. And he was talking about the opportunities there from Netflix and Amazon and discussing the possibility of licensing more to them. And the other thing, by the way, you have to think about is some of that licensing doesn't have to be off network.

It could be original programming as we've done with Netflix and Marvel. So the demand for Disney is huge from the consumer perspective and from a distribution perspective. And again we're seeing I think a world where disruption is definitely on the table and real. But it's not something that we feel is daunting in terms of the task ahead..

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

So, Todd, to answer your question on pension. As you saw the first page of our press release in the first table we showed cash from operations. You saw it down pretty significantly from a year ago. But if you account for that, if you adjust for the $1.3 billion of pension contribution that we made in the quarter, it more than offsets that decline.

You mentioned rising rates. And rising rates will definitely benefit our pension going forward. In our 10-Q we – I believe the 10-Q had explicitly stated that for each 100 basis point increase in the discount rate, our pension liability would decrease by about $2.4 billion. So that being said, rising rates are certainly going to benefit us.

As it relates to pension expense for the year, we don't expect to change from what we had talked about in our last conference call. And after this $1.3 billion that we put in, in the first quarter, there shouldn't be any meaningful contributions for the balance of the year..

Todd Juenger - Sanford C. Bernstein & Co. LLC

Thanks, guys. Fantastic..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Okay, Todd. Thank you. Operator, next question, please..

Operator

Our next question comes from John Janedis from Jefferies. Please go ahead..

John Janedis - Jefferies LLC

Hi. Thank you. Maybe another quick follow up at the parks. I think you've increased ticket prices in February the last couple of years. You're going to lap the demand-based pricing model in a couple of weeks.

And with Pandora opening, is there maybe a near-term opportunity to further increase single or multi-day ticket prices?.

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Yes. I have nothing to announce at this point, but we do take ticket pricing up on typically an annual basis and we do so in a variety of different ways. Sometimes it's redesign of packages.

Remember that in Florida that most of our attendance is multi-day in nature, and so the single day including when we take pricing increases is less important than when we take single-day pricing up in California. But we're not prepared to make any specific comments about what's in store in that regard..

John Janedis - Jefferies LLC

Okay. Thanks. Maybe separately, I thought it was interesting that units delivered were up at ESPN and down at ABC. There has clearly been a lot of discussion around inventory across the industry.

So as you look at your strategy this year, is there a flex to add units at ESPN if some of the programming or ratings are soft? And is there a concerted effort to reduce units at ABC?.

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

I think that the ABC – on the ABC side, the reason there weren't as many units sold is that they were using units for audience efficiencies or make goods. I think that, in general, there's probably too much commercial interruption in television.

It's a subject that has been discussed both on the ESPN front and on the ABC front and it's something we're going to continue to look at, particularly when you've got entrants in the marketplace that are offering programming that are not commercially interrupted..

John Janedis - Jefferies LLC

Thanks, Bob..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Okay. John, thanks. Operator, next question, please..

Operator

Our next question comes from Jason Bazinet from Citi. Please go ahead..

Jason Boisvert Bazinet - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

I just had one question for Mr. Iger. As it relates to BAMTech, as a minority holder, you've got baseball that owns a stake and also the hockey league, NHL, as a minority holder as well.

Can you just spend a minute and talk about the strategic implication of having leagues have an equity stake in that entity with you?.

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Well, I think it's obvious in the sense that the equity position, particularly the one you cited, the hockey position, came with an agreement to license product to BAMTech.

And so, while I don't necessarily believe that that means that the future will result in more owners coming in, although again, I don't want to speak for BAM, I guess that could potentially be on the table, I do want to say, though, that our agreement with BAM to take the stake that we took does give us a path to control, and where it's premature for us to discuss whether we'll exercise that right or not, but I should say that if we were to exercise that right when we can, it's still quite possible that there will be minority shareholders if that is in a way a quid pro quo to having access to their content.

That makes sense?.

Jason Boisvert Bazinet - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

It does. It does..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Okay..

Jason Boisvert Bazinet - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

Can I just ask a follow up? It seems like at some level it fundamentally changes your relationship, though, with the leagues in that in the past you would buy sports rights and then resell them to the pay-TV distributors and now it seems like your equity incentives are more aligned in a way.

Is that (43:09)?.

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Well, I think there's a yes and no to that. I think it will be both. We don't see ourselves getting out of, what I'll call, the linear ESPN multi-channel service for a while.

We do see ourselves, I mentioned, adding, through BAMTech, a direct-to-consumer proposition that will, in all likelihood, include a lot of sports and sports from some entities that we license content from for ESPN. Baseball is actually one example of that. I don't think it fundamentally changes the relationship.

I guess it's in a way it creates a different form of partnership but I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing..

Jason Boisvert Bazinet - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc.

No, no. I think it's a good thing. Thank you very much..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

All right, Jason. Thank you. Operator, next question, please..

Operator

Our next question comes from David Miller from Loop Capital Markets. Please go ahead..

David W. Miller - Loop Capital Markets LLC

Yeah, hey, Bob, just another quick question on the ESPN direct-to-consumer offering using the BAMTech technology. I would assume that you guys will probably have this out by maybe like July or August or so, so any kind of hint on timing would be great.

And then how do you see pricing this? Do you see pricing it like CBS All Access and doing what they have done or do you see perhaps pricing it lower than that and taking sort of a Starbucks point of pricing it low and then getting people hooked into it and then raising the price later? Any thoughts on pricing would be helpful. Thanks so much..

Robert A. Iger - The Walt Disney Co.

Well, first of all, I am hooked on Starbucks, by the way. So maybe, I guess, I have fallen prey to that strategy. I just can't comment about pricing. It has been discussed with BAM, but I really can't comment about that.

Nor can I comment about the specifics in terms of the time of launch except to say that the goal is to launch the program – I'm sorry – the platform sometime in 2017..

David W. Miller - Loop Capital Markets LLC

Okay. And then, Christine, if I could just sneak one in. I apologize, my audio faded out. Did you happen to say in your prepared remarks where ABC scatter stands at this time in terms of scatter spreads relative to upfront? Thanks a lot..

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

Yeah, quarter-to-date scatter pricing is over 25% above upfront..

David W. Miller - Loop Capital Markets LLC

Wonderful. Okay, thank you so much..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

Thank you, David. Operator, we have time for one more question..

Operator

Okay. And our last question comes from Bryan Kraft from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead..

Bryan Kraft - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Hi. Thank you. I had a question on the parks. I think, Christine, you said attendance was down 1% excluding the one-timers and the timing factors.

And I just want to ask, is this would you say weaker demand or is there something else at play here and as we think about the normal attendance levels going forward, should we think about those as being flattish except for, of course, the timing of holiday periods? And then I also just wanted to ask about use of cash.

Under operating activities, there was a large use of cash in accounts payable and other liabilities. I just want to see if you could help us understand what was driving that. I don't know if that was partly the pension contribution. Thank you..

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

Okay. On the parks, as you noted, we did have a lot of comparability factors and once again there is a lapping of the 60th, the Hurricane Matthew, and also the impact of the shift of holiday periods.

We also, as was noted previously in the call, we did introduce seasonal pricing a year ago and we are seeing some shift in some of our demand to try to smooth attendance over those peak demand periods. So I don't think you should read too much into the attendance.

Over the same period that you're noting, we've also seen strong increases in per cap spending. It was up 7% in the quarter, which we gave you. And so that's more than offset the impact of the attendance decline.

And we also have some new offerings, as Bob mentioned, Avatar, there's also Guardians of the Galaxy coming this summer at Disneyland Resort in Anaheim. So we think these new offerings are going to stimulate future demand and I don't think you should read too much into this one quarter.

On the change in payables, that decline is related to the pension plan contribution of $1.3 billion..

Bryan Kraft - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Okay, great. Thank you..

Christine M. McCarthy - The Walt Disney Co.

Okay?.

Bryan Kraft - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Thanks for your help..

Lowell Singer - The Walt Disney Company

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Operator

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