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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2022 - Q2
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Operator

Good afternoon, and welcome to DHI Group Inc. Second Quarter 2022 Financial Results. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Todd Kehrli of MKR Investor Relations. Please go ahead..

Todd Kehrli

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, and welcome to DHI Group's fiscal 2022 second quarter earnings conference call. With me on today's call are DHI's CEO, Art Zeile; and Chief Financial Officer, Kevin Bostick. Before I turn the call over to Art, I'd like to cover a few quick items.

This afternoon, DHI issued a press release announcing its fiscal 2022 second quarter financial results. The release is available on the company's website at dhigroupinc.com. This call is being broadcast live over the Internet for all interested parties, and the webcast will be archived on the Investor Relations page of the company's website.

I want to remind everyone that during today's call, management will make forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties. Please note that except for the historical information, statements on today's call may constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of Section 21E of the Securities Exchange Act of 1934.

When used, the words anticipate, believe, expect, intend, future and other similar expressions identify forward-looking statements.

These forward-looking statements reflect DHI management's current views concerning future events and financial performance, and are subject to risks and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially from the outcomes contained in any forward-looking statements.

Factors that could cause these forward-looking statements to differ from actual results include delays in development, marketing or sales, the adverse impact and uncertainty surrounding the COVID-19 pandemic and other risks and uncertainties discussed in the company's periodic reports on Form 10-K and 10-Q and other filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission.

DHI undertakes no obligation to update or revise any forward-looking statements. Lastly, during today's call, management will be referring to specific financial measures, including adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EBITDA margin and adjusted earnings per share which are not prepared in accordance with U.S. GAAP.

Information about and reconciliations of these non-GAAP measures to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available in our earnings release and on our website at dhigroupinc.com in the Investor Relations section. I will now turn the call over to Art Zeile, CEO of DHI Group..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Thank you, Todd. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our fiscal 2022 second quarter earnings conference call. Thank you for joining us today.

We are pleased to report another quarter of strong financial results with total bookings growth of 27% year-over-year and total revenue growth of 29% as more employers are using our subscription-based offering. While doing this, we maintain an adjusted EBITDA margin of 21% for the quarter, making us once again a rule of 40 plus company.

With the significant supply/demand gap created by the increasing demand for technologists, more employers need access to our growing community of tech campus and our sophisticated tool set to find, attract, engage and hire the highest quality tech professionals. During the second quarter, U.S.

employers posted over 1.6 million IT jobs, up 60% year-over-year and 38% from the first quarter according to Information Technology Trade Group, CompTIA, and even in this difficult macro environment, this growing demand for technologists showed no signs of slowing down as U.S.

employers posted over 500,000 Open Tech jobs in June alone, up more than 62% year-over-year. At the same time, the unemployment rate for a technologist is near an all-time low of 1.8%, and there are only about 90,000 new computer science graduates entering the workforce each year.

With demand for technologists significantly outstripping supply, employers, especially ones that are not specifically tech companies, but have digital initiatives need our subscription-based offering to find and attract the right tech candidates.

For those of you that are new to our story, Dice and ClearanceJobs are our two subscription-based offerings. They are both tech-focused career marketplaces that attract the highest quality tech professionals and enable employers to find and engage these skilled candidates as they look to fill the millions of new technology jobs flowing into the U.S.

economy. Dice has over 5 million technologist members while ClearanceJobs has 1.4 million, and we continue to grow the number of candidates each quarter. Both sites use our proprietary skills mapping technology that was recently granted a patent by the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office.

Our skills mapping algorithms allow our subscribers to find and engage the best tech candidates for their open positions and provides a substantial competitive advantage for both Dice and CJ.

Unlike generalist career sites, our marketplaces are solely focused on serving the technology sector where candidates are measured by the technology skills they have acquired over their career and not job titles.

With our leading career marketplaces for finding engaging technologists DHI is well-positioned to grow as we capitalize on the increasing demand for highly qualified tech professionals. Now let me dig into both of our brands' performance during the quarter. Let's start with Dice, which addresses our largest market opportunity.

Our bookings for Dice increased 27% year-over-year in the second quarter, and our revenue renewal rate remained strong at 99%. All of this resulted in our Dice revenue for the quarter increasing 30% year-over-year. Dice has two opportunities for expansion as it directly serves the growing market demand for technologists.

Dice commercial accounts is our largest white space opportunity with over 80,000 companies in the United States, meeting our ideal customer criteria. These are companies across every industry vertical, including finance, health care, manufacturing and consulting.

JetBlue Airlines, Boston Children's Hospital and Toyota are all new commercial accounts we signed this quarter that illustrate the breadth of interest in technologists across all sectors of our economy. With approximately 2,500 commercial account clients today, we are just scratching the surface on this large target market.

The staffing and recruiting industry is the second growth opportunity for Dice with over 18,000 staffing recruiting firms operating in the United States. Today, we service approximately 4,000 of them leaving us with a significant opportunity to expand in this client segment as well.

Combined, we believe that these two client segments have a total addressable market value of over $1 billion annually. To capitalize on these two large growth opportunities, we continue to add incremental new sales professionals during the second quarter.

We also continue to increase our marketing spend to generate more qualified leads to fuel our expanding new business teams. The new business teams were successful in converting these leads into new clients during the quarter. And as a result, our Dice customer base grew sequentially for the sixth consecutive quarter, adding 137 net new clients.

In addition to successfully driving new bookings through our improved sales and marketing efforts, we are expanding our technologist community through our Dice brand advertising campaigns. We have seen a 50% improvement in traffic and candidate registrations from our first campaign launched in September.

And at the end of the second quarter, we launched Version 2.0 of these campaigns. With these brand awareness campaigns, we are seeing improved reach and engagement metrics on Dice, adding approximately 40,000 new Dice members each month to our community.

Adding tech professionals to our marketplaces attracts more and more clients, which in turn makes our platforms more valuable to tech professionals, completing a virtuous cycle. Now let's talk about ClearanceJobs. Our bookings for CJ increased 27% year-over-year in the second quarter, and our revenue renewal rate remained strong, coming in at 99%.

All of this resulted in our CJ revenue for the quarter increasing 26% year-over-year. CJ celebrated its 20th anniversary on July 7 and continue to reach record new candidate registrations, record candidate profiles, record posted jobs and record messages sent on the platform during the quarter.

Similar to Dice, we also have two growth opportunities for CJ. The first is the government contractor market, where we currently have approximately 1,900 contractor clients. But know that there are over 10,000 cleared employers that can use our services.

CJ's second growth opportunity is selling its subscription offering directly to the multitude of U.S. government agencies that are in need of highly qualified technologists and are competing against the private sector for these candidates. We continue to advance our relationships with both government contractors and U.S.

government agencies adding several new clients during the quarter, including Pacific Northwest National Laboratory, Palantir Technologies and Virginia Tech. CJ sales and marketing teams continue to further penetrate these two market opportunities during the quarter, adding 48 net new clients.

As we look ahead, we continue to execute on our growth plan by increasing our investment in our proving sales and marketing engine to capitalize on the increasing demand for tech professionals. We have large addressable markets for both Dice and ClearanceJobs.

And as I said before, we are just scratching the surface of our outreach to the tens of thousands of prospective clients for each. We will continue to increase our sales team capacity this year as we work to further penetrate these significant target markets.

Despite current macroeconomic concerns, the demand for technologists continues to reach record levels. As such, we remain confident in our ability to sustain double-digit bookings and revenue growth rates and reconfirm the delivering a rule of 40 plus performance for the remainder of this year and into the future.

On that note, let me turn the call over to Kevin, who will take you through our financials and increased guidance for the year, and then we'll take any questions you may have.

Kevin?.

Kevin Bostick

Thank you, Art, and good afternoon, everyone. Let me go into a bit more detail on our second quarter financial results. We reported total revenue of $37.1 million, which was up 8% sequentially and 29% year-over-year. Total bookings for the quarter were $35.3 million, up 27% year-over-year.

Dice revenue was $26.8 million, up 9% sequentially and 30% year-over-year. Dice bookings were $25.6 million, up 27% year-over-year. We ended the quarter with 6,386 Dice recruitment package customers, which is up 17% year-over-year. Our average annual revenue per Dice recruitment package customer was up both sequentially and year-over-year to $14,304.

Approximately 90% of Dice is recurring and comes from annual or multiyear contracts. Our Dice revenue renewal rate remained strong during the quarter at 99%, down 4 percentage points from last quarter and up 10 percentage points from last year.

Our Dice customer count renewal rate was 85%, down 1 percentage point from last quarter and up 4 percentage points from last year. Our Dice retention rate was 109%. These metrics continue to demonstrate the strength of the tech job market and the value of the Dice products in the recruiting of technology professionals.

ClearanceJobs revenue was $10.2 million, up 6% sequentially and 26% year-over-year. Bookings for CJ were $9.7 million, up 27% year-over-year. We ended the second quarter with 1,976 CJ recruitment package customers, which is up 11% year-over-year.

Our average annual revenue per CJ recruitment package customer was up 2% over last quarter, and up 12% year-over-year to $18,708. Similar to Dice, approximately 90% of CJ revenue is recurring and comes from annual contracts.

Our CJ revenue renewal rate was 99% for the second quarter, down 5 percentage points from last quarter and up 2 percentage points over last year. Our CJ customer count renewal rate was 84%, down 3 percentage points from last quarter and flat year-over-year. Our CJ retention rate was 113%.

These strong renewal rates demonstrate the continued value CJ delivers in the recruitment of cleared professionals. Turning to operating expenses. Second quarter operating expenses were $36.2 million compared to $28.2 million in the year ago quarter.

We are continuing to grow our sales team and are increasing our third-party marketing spend to drive increases in the marketing qualified leads to support the additional salespeople. Also, we continue to invest in our broader brand awareness campaigns to drive technologist growth on our platform.

The company realized an income tax benefit for the quarter of $162,000 on income before taxes of $1.3 million. Our rate for the quarter differed from our normal expected rate of 25% due to tax benefits from the vesting of share-based compensation awards, R&D tax credits and the use of a capital loss carryforward to offset a gain on an investment.

We recorded income from continuing operations for the second quarter of $1.5 million or $0.03 per diluted share compared to a loss from continuing operations of $0.2 million or approximately $0.00 per diluted share a year ago. Adjusted diluted earnings per share for the current quarter was $0.01 compared to $0.02 for the prior year quarter.

Diluted shares outstanding for the current quarter were $47 million compared to $47.2 million in the prior year quarter. Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter was $7.8 million, a margin of 21% compared to $7.1 million and a margin of 25% in the second quarter a year ago.

We generated $10.2 million of operating cash flow in the second quarter compared to $12.9 million in the prior year quarter. From a liquidity perspective, at the end of the quarter, we had $3.6 million in cash and total debt outstanding of $30 million under our revolver.

During the quarter, we amended our credit agreement, increasing the size of our revolver from $90 million to $100 million with an accordion feature for an additional $50 million. The facility previously due to expire in 2023 and now has a maturity date of June 2027.

The pricing structure of the new facility is materially unchanged from the previous credit facility, though it is now a SOFR-based pricing grid. Deferred revenue at the end of the quarter was $54.1 million, up 25% from the second quarter of last year.

Our total committed contract backlog at the end of the quarter was $104.1 million, which was up 39% from the end of the second quarter last year. Short-term backlog was $86.2 million at the end of the second quarter, an increase of $21.6 million or 34% year-over-year.

Long-term backlog that is revenue to be recognized in 13 or more months was $17.9 million at the end of the quarter, an increase of $7.4 million or 78% from the prior year. During the quarter, under our share repurchase program, we purchased approximately 625,000 shares for $3.7 million, an average price of $5.94 per share.

As a reminder, our current share buyback program includes a $15 million authorization through February of 2023. $9.4 million was available under the program at the end of the quarter.

Looking forward, based on our strong bookings performance, we expect third quarter revenue to be in the range of $37 million to $38 million, a growth rate of 20% to 23% year-over-year. For the full year 2022, we are increasing our expected total revenue range to $145 million to $147 million, a growth rate of between 21% and 23% over 2021.

From a profitability perspective, we will continue to operate the business to adjusted EBITDA margins at or near 20% throughout 2022 as we balance our strong financial performance with increased sales and marketing investment to drive continued long-term revenue growth.

We are excited by the continued positive momentum we are seeing in bookings and believe our investment in sales and marketing will drive strong, sustainable double-digit bookings and revenue growth rates going forward. And with that, let me turn the call back to Art..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Thank you, Kevin. I'd like to close by once again thanking all of our employees for their hard work this quarter. For determination and dedication to executing our growth plan is certainly paying off. It is a pleasure to be part of such a great team. And with that, we're happy to take your questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question will come from Zach Cummins with B. Riley Securities. You may now go ahead..

Zach Cummins

Yes. Hi, good afternoon, Art and Kevin. Thanks for taking my questions and congrats on a strong quarter..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Yes, we will appreciate that, Zach..

Zach Cummins

Yes, yes, absolutely. And I know through the month of June, you really haven't seen any slowdown in demand across the technology sector. But just given all the headlines that we've seen across all these tech companies regarding layoffs or slowdowns in hiring.

Have you started to see any of that filter through to some of your customers? Or what's kind of the overall feedback you received here now just a month into Q3?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

So the good news is that we do not have Robin Hood as a customer. I say that jokingly. Actually, we have not seen any change in bookings performance 1 month in, meaning for the month of July.

And very importantly, I think it's notable that we as a company, have less than 1% of our revenue tied to what I consider venture backed or early stage businesses. And even if you look at those businesses that have announced layoffs, I think the number is cumulatively in the tech sector, about 30,000 people have been laid off year-to-date.

And as I announced inside of my description of the current state of the business, there were over 500,000 openings in June alone. So these layoffs are certainly being magnified by the media, but they are not really resulting in a change in people's attitude towards hiring tech labor.

And we still see a huge supply-demand deficit that is playing out in the market today..

Zach Cummins

Understood. That's helpful. And can you talk about more of your investments in both brand awareness campaigns and also on the lead generation side. It seems like it's been going pretty well thus far.

So just any more insight into your plans for potential spending here in Q3 or the back half of the year?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Yes. Great questions, and we will continue to actually increase our spend associated with marketing qualified lead production as well as these brand awareness campaigns. As I mentioned, the second version of these brand awareness campaigns just literally rolled out at the end of June.

So we're assessing their performance, generally speaking, we put these particular advertisements, whether they're static images or their videos on a multitude of channels and we gauge receptivity the actual click-through rate.

And so we're studying that now to kind of make sure that we have a plan of attack for the second half of the year, but we fully intend to increase our marketing spend in the second half of 2022..

Zach Cummins

Understood. And final question for me is more so around capital allocation. I know you've been prioritizing share buybacks here in the first half of the year.

So can you just give us a sense of how you're thinking about spending your excess cash flow here in the back half?.

Kevin Bostick

Yes. I don't think -- Zach, this is Kevin. I don't think our philosophy has changed. We will continue to evaluate investment in CapEx and investment in -- or buying back our shares really as the two opportunities for uses of cash. As you know, we did make an investment in the news in Q3 of last year.

So we will continue to look at opportunities that could accelerate parts of our business. But I would say our capital allocation philosophy has not changed, over the last couple of quarters, and we don't anticipate that changing for the balance of this year..

Zach Cummins

Understood. Well, thanks for taking my questions, and good luck with the upcoming quarter..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

We will appreciate that, Zach..

Zach Cummins

Thank you..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Thank you..

Operator

Our next question will come from Max Michaelis with Lake Street. You may now go ahead..

Max Michaelis

Hey, guys. Great quarter..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Hi, Max..

Max Michaelis

My -- one of my questions here is just on the guide. So if we just -- if I just make it easy here, we go to Q3, you guided for $37 million to $38 million. So we take the midpoint on that at $37.5 million, and then take the midpoint on your full year guide of $146 million. It's kind of modeling out for Q3, Q4 revenue to be essentially flat.

Can you kind of go into what's maybe slowing down or if there's any room for upside on that guide?.

Kevin Bostick

Well, I would say we look at the opportunity ahead of us, and we try to have a balanced view of what are some of the upsides and what are some of the pressures. While 90% of our revenue is recurring and comes from annual subscription contracts, there is some revenue that is shorter term in nature that we're continuing to keep an eye on.

But with that, I think that we still remain very encouraged by Q3 and Q4. We've done very well with bookings that on an amortized basis will flow into Q3 and Q4. But I think ultimately, our perspective is, let's have a balanced view as we enter into Q3 and Q4 with some of the headwinds that have been discussed..

Max Michaelis

Okay. Thank you, guys. And then just my second question here is on renewal rates. I know you mentioned that it dropped down around 4% from 104 last year -- or 103 last quarter to 99 this quarter.

Are you expecting to remain stable throughout the year? Or are you expecting to jump back up maybe into the exceed a 100%?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

So ultimately, as we discussed this even last quarter, we thought that being over 100% was kind of an aberration and that best-in-class SaaS-based business model maintained revenue renewal rates in the 90s. And so that's what we intend to do from this point forward. But I also ask on to add any kind of insight you might have..

Kevin Bostick

No, I think it's hard to look at any individual quarter because there may be some unique anomalies. I think when we look at the trend overall, to Art's point, we think on a customer count basis, mid-80s, revenue renewal rate in total will be mid-90s, which then would show retention on those customers who are renewing of greater than 100%.

So it will move up and down a couple of percentage points any quarter. But I don't think there's any difference in trend that we've seen relative to the last couple of quarters..

Max Michaelis

Okay. Thank you. And then just my last one, just going back to building out your sales force here. You mentioned that you did increase, I believe, the head count in the sales department.

Can I get a number for that? And like what you guys expect to hire out throughout the rest of the year?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

So, in general, we're going to track to hire approximately 5 net new individuals each quarter. We overshot that goal in the first quarter of this year. We're approximately there in the second quarter. We intend to maintain that same hiring trend for the remainder of this year, meaning 5 in third quarter, 5 in the fourth quarter.

We believe that -- by doing so, we're increasing our quarter capacity by approximately 20%, and that's a healthy place to be when you think about the nature of our business model and growing the business at 20% plus rates..

Max Michaelis

Okay. Thank you., guys. That’s it for me..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Thank you [indiscernible] Max. Really appreciate it..

Operator

Our next question will come from Anja Soderstrom with Sidoti. You may now go ahead..

Anja Soderstrom

Yes, thank you for taking my question and congratulations on another great quarter. I have a follow-up to start on that renewal rate.

What's driving the lumpiness in that?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

What's driving the renewal rate itself?.

Anja Soderstrom

No sort of the lumpiness that you were over 100% last quarter and this quarter, you're 99% and what's driving that?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

I would say that, as I indicated in the last question that was asked by Max, that in Q1, we felt like having a revenue renewal rate above 100% was aberrational, what drove it was a one-time transactional non-subscription based activity that were sold into packages in the first quarter.

And so we don't want to forecast that, that's going to happen forever. I think that there was a pent-up demand going into 2022 for technology hiring in general.

And so people took on additional services and additional add-ons to their natural subscription contracts because they wanted to figure out new ways to get to the end result, which is those technology professionals coming on board..

Anja Soderstrom

Okay. Thank you. That was helpful.

And then given how strong your business is and the demand, what kind of pricing power do you have and opportunities with price increases?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

That's a great question. I can tell you that we have studied pricing over the last year. We had the advantage of using an outside consultant for quite a period of time. We are in the midst of reformulating our rate card.

We plan to essentially roll that very cautiously in the second half of this year, making sure that the pricing meets the needs of our intended client relationships. And so again, we think we do have pricing power to a certain degree because of the nature of the supply demand imbalance inside of the tech market.

And the fact that we are a good tool for essentially delivering on the proposition of hiring tech professionals..

Anja Soderstrom

Okay. Thank you. And I understand with your rule of 40, you will sort of ramp up your marketing spend with a higher revenue.

So what kind of conversion rate do you have and what kind of visibility do you have in how that being effectful and how we can sort of expect that to impact the revenue growth in the coming years?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

So we actually look at it as a matter of supporting the new business team. There is a calculation that we do every single quarter. For that matter, we do it every single month in which we determine how many closed one deals should come from marketing qualified leads.

And so we ramp up that number each quarter according to the expansion of the new business team itself. As I indicated in my answer to Max, we are increasing that team by five new sales reps each quarter.

So if you think about it, we're trying to add marketing qualified leads to support those new five members, but we're also supporting the existing team. So it's an ever-growing budget. And we're seeing good conversion. We're not seeing any kind of change, I would say, substantially in the quality of the leads, the conversion of leads to close on deals..

Anja Soderstrom

Okay..

Kevin Bostick

And I will jump in with one additional comment on top of Art's, which is we spend a fair bit of time looking at the lifetime value of a customer over the customer acquisition cost, which is a common ratio used in the software and technology space. And our target is to be above 3.3:1. We are seeing that.

It moves a little bit every month, every quarter based on kind of the lag between spending that dollar and when that lead comes to fruition and becomes a contract. But we do ensure that our marketing spend has the appropriate ROI attached to it. And in our industry, that LTV to CAC ratio is a common way of looking at it..

Anja Soderstrom

Okay. Thank you. That was all for me..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Thank you, Anja..

Operator

Our next question will come from Kevin Liu with K. Liu & Company LLC. You may now go ahead..

Kevin Liu

Hi. Good afternoon, guys. I wanted to start with the kind of the Dice bookings outlook here. Certainly, you have a big opportunity in white space on the commercial side of things. We've seen the net new customer adds over 100 this quarter, was up over 200 the prior quarter.

Just wondering, as you look at your pipeline today, should we expect bookings to be more driven by kind of the volume of customers adding? Or is there some -- or are you seeing kind of customer adds not being development metric, but more so kind of the size of the customers you're landing with?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

So we've actually increased the size of annual contract value associated with Dice and ClearanceJobs, every quarter over the last four quarters. That's a good news part of the story. However, I'd say that in the case of Dice, very specifically, we will see growth in bookings by creating new relationships.

So you should see that customer count grow continuously over the course of time..

Kevin Liu

Got it.

And then maybe just on the marketing spend, can you talk about kind of the efficiencies you're seeing on that spend, meaning on a per unit basis, whether it's per net new MQL or even new candidate to your platform? Are you seeing that metrical steady? Or are you actually seeing even more efficiency and you're getting better returns on that dollar?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

It's actually holding steady. I would say that our team has done an enormous wonderful job of driving down the cost per market and qualified lead over the last 2 years, but I think that we've hit kind of like the efficiency point, where it's just underneath $100 per market and qualified lead.

And so we see that number bounce in the 90s, but there's no real substantial improvement that I can foresee in the future..

Kevin Liu

Understood. And then just lastly for me.

In terms of kind of the 40,000 plus profiles you're adding each month, can you just talk a little bit about how that's manifesting and kind of better value for your customers and whether that creates that opportunity to increase pricing specifically, are you seeing kind of fill rates for some of the open positions on Dice move higher?.

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Yes. There's just no question that adding additional members to our community makes the community more valuable to the clients. And the clients have a lot of different ways that they look at return on investment for the platform. But I'd say one of the most basic ones is the number of applies per position, and that grows as you grow the community.

It is correlated. So you're absolutely right in your logic..

Kevin Liu

Got it. And then actually, just one last one on the expense side. The G&A expense line kind of jumped up a bit sequentially and year-over-year.

Can you talk about if there was anything one-time or unusual in there, if that's kind of the appropriate run rate as we move forward?.

Kevin Bostick

I would say in G&A, we kind of bounce around a little bit because we don't amortize expenses. But I would say that, that's a good run rate at least for the rest of the year as we think about our expenses. There may be a few one-time items in there, but there may be some one-times going forward as well.

But I don't think it's -- it would be materially different than what you're seeing..

Kevin Liu

All right. Thank you for taking the questions and congrats on a strong quarter..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Really appreciate it, Kevin..

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Art Zeile for any closing remarks..

Art Zeile President, Chief Executive Officer, Principal Accounting Officer & Director

Thank you. And before I want -- before we actually wrap up, I want you to all know that DHI management will be hosting its second Annual Virtual Analyst and Investor Day on September 8. So we will be putting out a press release tomorrow with more details around when that's going to take place within the day.

We hope that you could all join us as we provide a lot more detail on our growth plans for DHI. And thanks everyone for your interest in DHI Group, and have yourself a wonderful day..

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect..

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