Good afternoon. Thank you for attending today’s SoFi First Quarter 2022 results. My name is Jason and I’ll be the moderator for today’s call. Management is here to discuss the results..
Thank you, operator and thank you all for joining us today for SoFi’s first quarter 2022 earnings call. Joining me today are Anthony Noto, SoFi’s CEO; and Chris Lapointe, SoFi’s CFO. They will share prepared remarks regarding the quarter’s results and then take your questions at the end.
Our discussion is complementary to the press release we issued today announcing SoFi’s first quarter results. You can find it on the Investor Relations page of our website investors.sofi.com. This conference call is being webcast live and will be available as a replay for 30 days beginning about 1 hour after the call ends.
There is also an accompanying investor presentation on our IR page. During the course of this conference call, we may make forward-looking statements based on current expectations, forecasts and projections as of today’s date.
Any forward-looking statements that we make are subject to various risks and uncertainties and there are important factors that could cause actual outcomes to differ materially from those indicated in the statements.
We discuss these factors in our SEC filings, including our first quarter 2022 Form 10-Q, which can soon be found on the IR page of our website and on the SEC filings website, sec.gov/edgar. As a reminder, we are not required to update our forward-looking statements.
In our presentation today, unless otherwise noted, we will be discussing adjusted financial measures, which are non-GAAP measures that we believe are meaningful when evaluating the company’s performance.
For detailed disclosures on these measures and the GAAP reconciliation, you should refer to the financial data contained within our press release, which is also posted to the IR page of our website. Today’s discussion will focus on first quarter 2022 results.
As always, we encourage you to evaluate SoFi’s performance on an annual basis as quarterly results can be affected by unexpected events that are outside our control. Now, I will turn the call over to Anthony..
fast, selection, content and convenience, and continuing to invest to make them work better when they’re used together. We finished the first quarter with 4.7 million total financial services products, a 111% annual increase and more than 4x our total lending products of 1.1 million.
The more scale in financial services products creates even more scale and cross-buying and thus, large marketing efficiencies. Just 1 year ago, that ratio was 2.4:1, and 2 years ago, lending products actually outnumbered financial services products by a factor of 1.6:1.
Members have embraced the product launches and financial services introduced in the first quarter. We launched margin lending and SoFi Invest, which is one of the most common member requests. Another common to request is extended hours trading, which we will launch in the coming weeks and options, which we are targeting introducing by year-end.
We introduced no fee crypto transactions for SoFi Money members that do direct deposit, and we are assessing other possible crypto products to provide even more value to our members.
Last but certainly not least, SoFi’s Checking and savings provides an unmatched value proposition through an industry-leading API of up to 1.25%, a host of free features and a unique rewards program.
The strategy is paying off as we’ve seen strong growth in direct deposit accounts and spending, while deposits have accelerated further since we announced the API increase of 25 basis points last month.
Transitioning now to our technology platform, which remains a critical element of SoFi’s strategy, allowing us to innovate at a rapid pace while providing diversified high-return revenue streams and an efficient cost structure, already a market leader among U.S.
based neobanks, Galileo continues to expand its client base to include B2B and enterprise clients as adoption of modern cloud-based digital payments and banking has opened up new verticals and client types, use cases and opportunities.
For example, we launched two new clients in the first quarter that offer innovative working capital models for B2B and small- to medium-sized businesses. Technology platform enabled clients accounts increased 58% year-over-year in the first quarter to $110 million through new client acquisition and growth from existing clients.
The large installed customer bases of Galileo clients also provide unique growth opportunities for existing capabilities like instant provisioning, dynamic fraud engine and 2-day early paycheck as well as financial and engagement products in our pipeline that can drive greater customer activity like instant funding and direct deposit switching.
Our March acquisition of Technisys further differentiates our technology platform by allowing us to incorporate a next-generation multiproduct core banking technology into our lending and financial services platforms and it enhances our value proposition for Galileo clients.
This type of vertical integration enables faster innovation and growth as well as greater operating efficiencies. Technisys also brings a complementary footprint of established banks, digital banks and fintechs in Latin America, adding to the robust growth opportunity of Galileo’s existing presence in Mexico and Colombia.
Galileo and Technisys are already going to market together to offer new products and services to the Galileo clients looking to expand their lineup. Early reception among existing Galileo and Technisys clients in the U.S. and LatAm has been very positive.
I’ll finish here by saying that we have been in an all-out sprint over the last 4 years to build out our digital product suite to meet our members’ needs for every major functional decision in their lives and all the days in between.
The benefits of our strategy to build a uniquely diversified business, combined with the national banking license, not only positions SoFi to be the winner takes most in the sector transition of financial services to digital, but also provide greater durability through a market cycle.
I am excited about where we are today and where we can go from here. With that, let me turn over to Chris for a review of the financials for the quarter..
first, cash equivalents and restricted cash increased by approximately $900 million, primarily as a result of an increase in pledge activity to capitalize the bank as well as increases in deposits at SoFi Bank, which totaled $1.2 billion at the end of the quarter.
Second, loan balances grew approximately $1.2 billion as a result of holding loans for a slightly longer period of time. And third, we had a $900 million increase in goodwill and intangibles related to our acquisition of Technisys.
We exited the quarter with $2.8 billion drawn on our warehouse facilities, which is approximately 40% of our overall $7 billion of capacity. Our current book value is $5.5 billion and our capital and leverage ratios are extremely strong, both at the bank and at the bank holding company level. Alright. I’ll finish up with guidance.
Throughout the last 12 months, we have demonstrated the benefit of having a diversified set of revenue streams and a keen focus on continuing to underwrite high-quality credit. We expect those benefits to persist going forward, particularly in light of the existing macro backdrop.
For Q2, we expect another strong quarter of growth with $330 million to $340 million of adjusted net revenue up 39% to 43% year-over-year and expect $5 million to $15 million of adjusted EBITDA.
For the full year of 2022, we are raising guidance and now expect to deliver $1.505 billion to $1.510 billion in adjusted net revenue, exceeding our recently provided full year guidance of $1.47 billion, and expect to deliver adjusted EBITDA of $100 million to $105 million above our recently provided guidance of $100 million.
Overall, we couldn’t be more proud of our Q1 results and continued progress.
Having delivered nearly $1.3 billion of annualized revenue and our seventh consecutive quarter of positive EBITDA, we continue to make great progress against our long-term growth objectives in Q1 ‘22 and remain very well capitalized to continue pursuing our ultimate goal of making SoFi a top financial institution. With that, let’s begin the Q&A..
Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Dan Dolev with Mizuho. Please proceed..
Hi, guys. Hi, Anthony. Hi, Chris. Great quarter here..
Hi, Dan..
Hey, guys. I have sort of like maybe a longer-term question. And I think I was actually surprised to see the stock trade down today so much. And I think a lot of it had to do because he reported after upstart.
And I think there is a lot of confusion out there in the market from the calls that we’re getting from investors about the nuances and the differences between the quality of SoFi and some of your competitors.
Can you maybe talk to what people are misunderstanding here and what they are missing when they are sort of putting you in that group? Thank you..
Thanks, Dan. I’ll start and hand it over to Chris to talk about the demographics and the credit profile of our members. I would say the basis between SoFi and all the other call it, FinTech 2.0 companies moving Square and PayPal out of that equation, so more recently public companies.
The biggest overage is we’re building a one-stop shop with a broad suite of digital financial products for our members. We’re trying to build a lifetime relationship with them to be there for everyone of the major funds decision their lives and all the days in between.
And we’re doing that through a vertical integrated model so that we have best-of-breed products from a consumer standpoint, but also best of breed unit economics, and that will allow us to have a competitive advantage.
And as we build that vertical integration, we’re building technologies that we’re turning into businesses as we have with Galileo and Technisys, and that results from a financial standpoint with a highly diversified business. Within our Lending segment, we have four different types of loans.
We’re not just in personal loans or also in steel refinancing or in-school loans and in mortgages. Within the technology platform, there is two primary businesses there, but there is more to be additive Technisys and Galileo, and they are incredibly complementary.
It’s a very high-margin business, accelerates our rate of innovation, giving us a low-cost advantage and giving us a return on our own technology development and lifting the all goes for the industry.
And in our third segment, the Financial Services segment is highly diversified with SoFi checking and savings, SoFi Invest, even within SoFi Invest, we’re not just in crypto, we’re not just in single stocks, we’re also ETFs are also in down, and then we have a credit card, which, over time, will build out that portfolio. We have one today.
We also do insurance as a regeneration business we have the related businesses. So we’re very diversified.
And one of the biggest reasons why we’ve been able to navigate the challenges of the last 4 years, and there have been multiple of challenges every year, whether it’s economic or industry-related or credit related is because we have that diversification and can reallocate our resources toward the best growth opportunities are, and that’s why we continue to deliver record revenues despite the negative impact on the still in moratorium.
The last big thing I’d mention, and Chris will give you the details is we’re going after a high-end customer, mass-affluent, high net wealth individuals to have a great credit profile, high income, and they need the products and services that we develop and most of the big banks have walked away from that price we have products.
They don’t offer mortgages. They are not in brokerage or they don’t have personal financial management where they don’t have curies. And so that results in us having a pretty diversified business.
We’ve been EBITDA profitable for the last seven quarters, and we’re on our way to being GAAP profitable and we’re generating positive cash flow reporting EBITDA less CapEx and building our book value. And we have substantial book value. But that’s been sort of the biggest point to describe how we’re positioned.
I will have Chris give you the details on our income and our credit profile..
Yes. Thanks, Dan. What I would say is just echoing what Anthony said, our demographic credit profile of our member base is extremely strong, and we see that playing into our results. The weighted average income of our student loan refinancing borrowers is $170,000 with an average FICO of 775.
The average income of our personal loan borrowers is $160,000 with an average FICO of 746. And then our overall credit profile and risk metrics are trending really well, both on a year-over-year and sequential basis. In terms of 90-day delinquencies, our PL 90-day delinquencies are at 14 basis points which is down year-over-year and sequentially.
And our student loan refinancing delinquencies remained really healthy at just 5 basis points. And then from a charge-off perspective, those remain really healthy as well and are trending in the right direction with our personal loans annualized charge-offs at 1.04%. And student loan at 27 basis points.
And the last thing I’d add is we have the most unique funding strategy and distribution strategy that makes a low-cost operator in lending. We built the business end-to-end on from metal to glass, but we’ve also built out diversified distribution of our loans. We can sell whole loans, which is a great diversified market for us.
We can hold loans because we are a bank, we use deposits to fund them at a low cost, and we can access the ABS market if and when we think it’s appropriate.
And so we have a great competitive advantage in low cost but also an ability to get really strong premiums for the credit that Chris just described due to distribution have from our capital markets..
Got it. Thank you. Super helpful. And can I ask one quick follow-up here. We’re getting some questions today post that on the EBITDA for the second half. I know – I mean, we’ve done the work. We know it has to do with the longer duration in deposits.
But maybe can you can you quickly bridge for investors like sort of the bridge from where we are in the first and the second quarter to that $40 millionish ramp in the second half that would be helpful? Thanks again..
Yes, absolutely. So we aren’t providing specific segment level or product level detail, but to at least how folks think about the bridge from where we are to the $100 million and $105 million guide. I would think about it in two buckets. First, the bank is going to start contributing much more meaningfully in the back half of this year.
But we’re really proud to say that all new applications for our lending products are going through the bank end of a few weeks ago. Deposit growth is going extremely well.
And as a result, we’re going to start benefiting from a lower cost of capital, and we’re going to start seeing the benefits play out of being able to hold loans for a longer period of time at scale in the back half of the year.
And then the second thing, the second bucket is related to growth in some of our higher-margin businesses, specifically our personal loans business in [indiscernible]. So collectively, those are the main things that we bridge us from where we are today to the guide..
Got it. Thank you so much again. Great quarter..
Thank you, Dan..
Thank you for your question. Our next question comes from John Hecht with Jefferies. Please proceed..
Good afternoon, guys. Yes, I echo those congratulations on good numbers in a choppy environment.
So my first question is just I know it’s very early on, but maybe can you give us kind of your perspective on early progress within the bank and kind of what KPIs you’re looking for and what we should look out for over time?.
Thank you, John. One of the key strategies of having the bank license and being able to offer a super differentiated checking and saving accounts. When we originally launched SoFi Money, we were not a bank back in 2019, and we were sort of be holding the interest rate that we could get from suite partners.
But now as a bank, we could provide – we can offer the interest rate that we think is most attractive. And currently, we’re offering up to 1.25% on checking if you do direct deposit with us and get a host of other benefits as a member and other benefits in that account be charging the fees.
We do free roundups, you have overdraft protection, you get a free certified financial planner, our relationship in addition to all the breakthrough get on other loans, etcetera. We’ve seen tremendous uptake of that product since we launched it.
I will say, and as in my prepared remarks, it is incredibly challenging waiting for the Federal Reserve and OCC to give us the final approval, if it wasn’t clear when they are going to do it or if they were going to do it given the political environment we’re in.
And so we were sitting ready with marketing and collateral and plans and technology and operations, ready to flip the switch. But once we did that, it took a while to get things rolling in Q1, and we came out of Q1 and Q2 really seeing the benefits.
Our direct deposit uptake is up 60% on a conversion basis and the number of direct deposit accounts added per week has doubled in Q2 versus Q1. And as Chris mentioned, we’re up to over $1.5 billion of deposits, and it’s growing about $100 million of deposits per week, and the feedback from an NPS for basis is really strong.
So we couldn’t be happier with that competitive advantage that we now have.
As we bring people into the top of the funnel, it increased the amount of cross-buying we have, as you know like a personal loan product we doubled our variable profit per loan [indiscernible] invest into that and money is really one of the faster products we think to start with as you [indiscernible].
And our customer addition costs there are very attractive and we’re actually leading and even more because the LTV is putting out to be even higher than we thought based on early indications. So really happy with that product. The second thing I’d say is it took a mile dip in the back of the bank and go through the process.
And there are plans that we have specifically like the checking same account and funding our new loans in the bank. But there are other opportunities to now is coming to life, such as having a sponsored in business that we can partner with Galileo on. They have B2B partners out there adding. There is a lot of them in the EUV channel.
Well, we can be a sponsor bank in B2B. And so that’s the new revenue stream that we’re working on with the regulators to launch and with our partners there. So there is a number of other things that will come down the pipeline as a result of having the bank has weren’t contemplated until we actually got the license..
That’s very helpful. I appreciate all that detail. A follow-up question. Maybe just because it’s been a volatile market. I think credit spreads are drifting around, and obviously, interest rates are moving upward.
Maybe talk about the components of the gain on sale? And is there any kind of different trends you’re observing on your different asset types and kind of the outlook for that?.
Yes, I can take that one, John.
So what I would say is that there are a few important things to note when thinking about the overall trends in gain on sale margins, especially on a quarter-to-quarter basis, and there are a number of factors that’s been playing to that, most predominantly rates, spreads, and then obviously, the price that we’re charging on the loans that we sell.
In addition to those factors, it’s really important to incorporate the impact of hedge gains and losses, which are critical, particularly in an environment that we’re in right now. So in Q1, our gain on sale margins, excluding hedge gains, were 4.2% and they were north of 4.5% once you include hedges associated with loans sold in period.
Our student loan refinancing business had gain on sale margin of 1.5%, excluding the hedge and north of 4% once you include hedges. And then our home loans business was negative 60 basis points, excluding the hedge and north of 2% once you include that.
So they have been relatively consistent on a hedge ducted basis over the course of the last several quarters, and we expect them to be able to maintain that.
The only other thing I would say as it relates to our lending business is that we obviously seek to maximize profit dollars in our lending business and stay within a 40% to 50% contribution margin range, and we obviously have a number of levers to do that.
Despite the rapidly rising rate environment that we’ve been going through over the course of the last quarter plus, we were still able to deliver $133 billion of contribution dollars at a 54% margin across our entire portfolio, even as rates went up 80 to 150 basis points across the curve..
And one of the other things I would just add, John, the benefit of those that closed the company back in ‘18 and ‘19. When we joined in 2018, Michelle and I were looking at 4 to 5 rate increases throughout ‘18 and ‘19. And we rapidly developed a strategy of being able to test six different 6x6 grid simultaneous in the marketplace.
And at that time, the company really had the ability to test two prices. We spent the better part of 2018 not just testing all these different prices of building that capability, but also understanding the unit economics by marketing channel and just an add over time.
So the level of sophistication we have in marketing pricing and credit is really built over the last 4 years.
So as rates are going up, even though our funding costs are going down, we are being prudent about making sure we have the right price for the right credit through constantly testing and also leveraging different channels that we now have certain types of loan losses and quality performance.
In addition to that, we have an early warning framework that our risk team has built out that we actually executed at the beginning of 2020 to be in a pandemic to make sure that we’re in a position to be able to pull back as economic conditions start to provide main indicators that are at risk.
So we’re playing on both ends of the spectrum offensively with pricing and channels and then if the market turns over in some way, that’s not what was predicted. We can also put it back the other way..
Wonderful. Thanks very much..
You are welcome..
Thank you for your question. Our next question comes from Dominick Gabriele with Oppenheimer. Please proceed..
Hi, thanks so much for taking my questions. And great results.
If you just think about your investment initiatives how many of the – how may have those changed since the end of the year ‘21 versus today since the market seems to be signaling a change in consumer environment? Have you changed any of your kind of investment dollar targets for your various business mix? And then I just have a follow-up.
Thanks so much..
The answer is yes. And it’s been like that every quarter since we launched the business. We do an annual planning process that starts in the fall or sets the priorities for the company for the following year. We did that in September and October when we had our six priorities.
The team then does their bottoms that financial plans against those six priorities and then we start the year. Around mid-February, we start what’s called a large revised forecast, which will be a revision of the plan based on everything we’ve learned.
And so, all the market conditions that change from December, January, February and the performance of our business get factored into that realized forecast. We put through that same process every quarter.
That’s what allows us to assess where are things going well, there are things more challenging than we thought, how do we reallocate our resources against that umbrellas priorities to deliver the results.
So – and we do a weekly latest call process as well, evaluating all the integrated details across all our funnels and our products and our financial performance so when we go into that revised forecast, we are not starting from scratch, we have built it on the back of 7 or 8 weeks of actual results in the quarter and what we are seeing in forward curves and the competitive environment, etcetera.
So it’s a constant process. And when you have the diverse set of bits that we have, it gives you lot of advantages and they are not stuck in one on silo. I am not going to give you the specifics, because it’s multifaceted. But obviously, the personal loan business did much better. We saw that opportunity and we leaned into it.
Student loan business got negatively impacted by the President’s unexpected extensive moratorium. We have pulled back significantly in the marketing there and reallocated it.
In fact, we are starting to reallocate more aggressively to things like checking savings because we are seeing the flow-through to the loans and higher LTV justifying more investment there. So, it’s a constant data-driven process..
Great. And then just for my follow-up, if we just think about the moratorium versus the floating idea of perhaps even $10,000 of debt relief within student lending. How does that impact the business versus the moratorium? And I really do appreciate the early remarks on the high-income customers.
I would assume those folks maybe took out larger loans on average than just the average loan within student there. So, any color you could provide on how that might affect your business and how you are thinking about that dynamic between the moratorium and the $10,000 per person that forgiveness? Thanks so much..
Yes. Absolutely. I will try to give a broader perspective on this to educate those that may not be aware. So, prior to the pandemic, our student loan refinancing business had an average loan size of about $70,000. So, the average loan that was being refinanced was $70,000. And we are doing over $2 billion of quarterly re-financings.
Since then, we have operated at 50% or below other than the fourth quarter when people have thought that more term was going to end in January, and we saw a big surge in late November and December. So, about $70,000, the demographics, Chris mentioned have generally been the same.
What people should understand is any one is already refinanced with us would not be eligible for a Federal student loan forgiveness because they now have private loans. The Federal student loan forgiveness that’s been talked about has ranged from $10,000 for everybody.
The $10,000 for those that weren’t economically below a certain income class to $50,000 for everybody, with the present buying campaign behind was $10,000 of forgiveness for those that had a need hit and quantify it.
What has been talked about more recently, the President said I am not interested in $50,000 if you give us per person and his point and his advisors are pointing more towards $10,000 of forgiveness below a certain economic level. There is a lot of debates on an economic level for everything for $75,000 of income to $125,000 of income.
The best thing for SoFi and for SoFi shareholders in our business is if he announces – the best thing is he had the more return than we just move on. But that’s unlikely, what’s more likely is some of them would forgive us. If there is some level of forgiveness, $10,000 and below, I think it would be great for our business.
Now you may say, that applies to everybody, even if it applies to everybody. There is a cohort of people that have been waiting and waiting and waiting for student loan forgiveness and they have not refinanced. And that’s in our demographic as well. Once there actually is forgiveness, there is nothing to wait for anymore.
You now know what the plan is, and you have to make a decision.
Well, if you had $70,000 loans, which is our target market, and you get $10,000 forgiveness, you are still refinancing $60,000, but the number of people that we will be refinancing will be magnitudes greater than it was in the past because there is really no reason to wait any longer, especially with rates going up, I mean there is likely not going to be a second wave or forgiveness.
The area where there is $10,000 forgiveness for people the $125,000 is really advantageous to us given the demographics that we set at a weighted average income of $170,000. And so that’s the way I would think about it. In terms of our financial guidance, we have assumed that the more time will extend all the way through 2022.
So, our guidance that Chris mentioned of $1.505 billion to $1.510 billion is an assumption that the still business does not recover. In fact, it continues to be relatively depressed and exceeding even more..
Excellent. Thanks so much for all that color..
Thank you for your question. Our next question comes from Mike Ng with Goldman Sachs. Please proceed..
Hey. Good afternoon. I just wanted to ask about the origination outlook for home loans specifically. I know you called out some fulfillment partner issues.
Can you just talk a little bit about whether you see that easing in the back half and could home loan originations accelerate? And then could you also just talk about the backdrop of competition and the softening refinance environment, how does that affect how you think about home loan originations for this year and next? Thank you..
Yes. We do have an opportunity to significantly improve the value proposition to our members at home loans and our execution on the operational side. The execution on the operational side is what’s holding us back. We are – we have moved from the existing partner to one entirely new partner.
In doing that move, things having preceded as fast as we would have liked, which is a great highlight for how the diversification of our business allows us to overcome something that’s underperformed. And so two things have happened in the home loan business. One, we have moved to that new partner and there is growing pains and execution pain there.
At the same time, the team has had the additional challenge of the mix of home loans moving from refinancing more towards purchase. Purchase is a different operational process, as you can imagine. And it’s really critical in those scenarios that you hit closing dates, etcetera.
And so we are erring on the side of trying to provide the best level of service we can. And so we really haven’t stepped on the gas pedal as it relates to driving top of the final demand, because we want to make sure we can get the backlog of loans that we have in the system, especially in purchase through the system successfully.
There are definitely challenges there, and we underperformed in the quarter. I am confident the team has the right plan and will work its way out throughout the course of the year. It’s a product our members at still 60% of the home loans we do are or more from existing members. It’s one of the most important financial decisions they will make.
It’s one of the probably biggest emotional decision in that building, and we need to be there for them to give them a great product and a great service and it is still a huge opportunity for us given how few loans we have done for our members and the magnitude of the user base that we now have, not to mention selling share from as the first product..
Great. Thank you very much for the thoughts Anthony..
Thank you..
Thank you for your question. Our next question comes from Mihir Bhatia from Bank of America. Please proceed..
Hi. Thank you for taking my questions.
Maybe just to start, can you just talk about your macro expectations for the rest of the year?.
Yes, absolutely. So, in terms of the overall macro expectations, we are assuming that rates will continue to increase what we have baked into our forward guidance is that we would have seven additional rate hikes between now and the end of the year..
Got it.
And then anything – and then the rest of it, any other color you can provide beyond just the rate hike, just what are you assuming for, I guess unemployment, consumer health, those kinds of things, anything at all you can provide there?.
Yes. We are assuming that the inflationary environment space so much where it is today, we are not assuming a recession. We do have early warning frameworks that will allow us to get in front of some type of deterioration in the economy that’s of the magnitude that would have an impact on life loan losses.
We have been doing this for a couple of years way through the cycle forward. And so we will be vigilant on that front. But right now, those indicators are showing relatively strong demand and a relatively stable economic environment. And as Chris mentioned, the performance of our credit has been quite positive..
Great. Thank you. That’s helpful. And that’s quite consistent with what we have heard from others too. So, I think that’s good. I think one other question I just had just a follow-up in terms of – I think John asked about KPIs within the bank earlier, and I apologize if I missed this.
So, did you give the direct deposit penetration rate maybe with your members and just the amount of cross-sell you are seeing between bank deposit holders and your other loans? Thank you..
We have not given the specific numbers and specific KPIs. That’s something we will evaluate over time. The only thing I said was that the weekly adds have doubled since we were payment to Q2 versus Q1. And on prior calls, we have seen a good ramp increase based on our strategic focus in the area by adding critical elements of value to the equation.
But the checking and savings conversion in the highest sort of 1.25% have really taken to the next level. As I mentioned, it’s – it’s up 2.7x in Q2 versus Q1. And we have seen an increasing conversion of account funded to direct deposit of 60% with interest..
Understood. Thank you and good execution again for the quarter. Thank you..
Thank you..
Thank you for your question. Our next question comes from Tim Chiodo with Credit Suisse. Please proceed..
Great. Thanks a lot for taking the question. I wanted to dig into the Financial Services segment for the non-interest income, so strong growth year-over-year, absolutely. But when we look at it on a quarter-over-quarter basis, maybe there is just some seasonality there.
Maybe you could just help us in the modeling of how we should think about the non-interest income for that segment into Q2, Q3 and really for the rest of the year?.
Yes, I can take that one, Tim. So, what I would say is we saw really good momentum year-over-year, as you alluded to. Quarter-over-quarter, we saw a sequential growth in products of about 15%. Money and credit card combined delivered $10 million of revenue in the quarter that was up $2 million or 22% sequentially.
That was primarily driven by interchange as well as some NIM our Lantern and Pagaya businesses combined or lending as a service delivered $8 million on the quarter. That was up $2 million sequentially or 30%. And then our invest business delivered $5 million of revenue.
What I would say in terms of the forward outlook, again, we don’t provide it at the product level, but we do expect to see continued strong momentum in growth in product count across all of the products as well as improvement in monetization.
If you look at our annualized revenue per product in the financial services business, that was up 73% year-over-year. So, we have made really good improvements over the last several quarters and continuing to monetize those products and numbers, and we expect that to continue going forward.
And the way that that’s going to increase is through continuing to drive continuing to try and spend. We are seeing really good trends in that right now, especially opening the bank. And then obviously, launching new products and features like options that we expect to do by the end of this year.
And there is one thing to remember, I think people know the just in case, we will have the bank for a full quarter in Q2, which will benefit that segment versus only one month in Q1..
Excellent. Great. Thanks a lot. Chris, appreciate that. The other one was just a quick follow-up. Just so you made a comment that kind of caught my attention in the prepared remarks around strong new accounts at Galileo, for sure.
But then also, you mentioned in terms of new customers, couple that were in the B2B area, if you could just put some additional context around that, that would be really appreciated?.
So, our product at Galileo, the platform lends itself not just to consumer-driven and Galileo has been a leader in the B2C space and neobanks since its inception. Since we bought it, we have seen an increasingly amount of demand in enterprise space.
The number two partner within Galileo, which has been number two for years, is actually enterprise customer and not a consumer customer. So, it has that flexibility.
And so we have signed a number of enterprise partners, some of which that is for accounts payable, accounts receivable payments and working capital in addition to other types of businesses that are in the fee economy. So, we are not naming specific names.
We will announce those in conjunction with our partners as opposed to during our earnings call, but that’s increasingly a big channel for us, and we have a product pipeline to better serve the enterprise and SMB space holistically based on the demand we are seeing..
Thanks a lot. Thank you, Anthony. Appreciate it. Thanks for taking those questions..
Our next question comes from Jeff Adelson with Morgan Stanley. Please proceed..
Hi, good evening Anthony and Chris. I just wanted to understand the trajectory of personal loan growth here in your assumptions, a really nice quarter for that line.
What kind of growth maybe are you assuming in your guidance for the rest of the year? And then just as you kind of look under the hood there, are you seeing more demand from your customers for that product, or I mean, if I understood, Anthony, your comments correctly earlier, it sounds like you are putting more marketing dollars out of that area.
And could you also kind of help us understand how your ability to pass through interest rates is going there? It looks like from the Q, you were able to increase the rate there, about 40 bps Q-on-Q and you have got the 2-year rate going up 160 bps roughly.
So, I just want to understand all those little drivers there?.
Yes. On the personal loans side, I will let Chris talk about the outlook. In terms of driving demand, I noted a couple of macro things and the things that we are doing on the macro side.
As interest rates go higher, we saw this in ‘18 and ‘19, we see people refinancing at a variable rate debt, like credit card debt and other high rate variable debt into fixed rate and term loan debt. And so our product is really conducive to doing that, and we capture that demand.
Additionally, as rates go higher, if you go back and look at our advertise in 2018 and ‘19, you will see we had a use case advertising behind home improvement. So, as interest rates go higher and individuals look to remodel their homes instead of buying new homes on that product also benefits.
One of the things that you can do now that we weren’t that able to do in 2018 and ‘19 as we can market the product to our existing customers. And when we were going public, we provided a presentation that showed you the percent of our loans that were cross bought, and it’s averaging the 20% to 30% range.
And so as the business has grown, it stayed in that range, and that’s a really efficient way for us to market to our customers. And so we will be leveraging that through this environment as well. In terms of the trajectory of any outer quarters, I will let Chris talk to that..
Yes. So, in terms of the trajectory, we are providing forward guidance on originations. But as you know, we saw a really good growth at 151% year-over-year, and we ended up exiting the quarter with about 5.5% market share when you look at the overall TAM of our credit bonds, and that’s in comparison to about 4% in Q1 of 2021.
So, we do expect to be able to continue gaining share over the course of 2022. And if rates continue to increase, we do expect the market to continue to expand..
And the other thing I would just mention on the marketing side, we can afford to be a little bit more aggressive on the marketing front and open the after a little bit because of our decline monetization strategy. This is a product where we are proving 30% of the applicants.
Previously, the other 70% were sort of lost and so we launched Lantern and now we are leading as a service that we have in our own application process. And so we can be a little bit more aggressive on marketing and drive return against that because our declines to be monetized in those two ways..
Yes. And then the one last thing to address your final question about passing rate increases through WAC, especially in the PL business, we have made really good progress on increasing pricing and demand has remained extremely robust as you saw in the quarter.
Overall, on the balance sheet and through our originations in the quarter, we were successfully able to raise WAC both NPL and SLR. So, making really good progress there and it’s showing up in the results..
And then if I could just have a follow-up on the student loans side.
Assuming that the student loan moratorium does go away at year-end or even before then, is it a reasonable way of thinking about your guidance here going forward, maybe that the original 2023 or – I am sorry, the original 2022 number for EBITDA of around $250 million is potentially the right way to think about 2023?.
Yes. We are not providing specific guidance around 2023. At this point, we shared the quarterly impact on the SLR business and the result of the impact from the extension. But at this point, we are not prepared to talk about 2023..
So, the one thing I will say is, as the business comes back or if it doesn’t, as we exit 2022, we will go back towards the 30% incremental EBITDA margin philosophy. And the reason why I am emphasizing that is there is a lot of different ways to think about shareholder value creation.
We believe return on invested capital is the most highly correlated metric with shareholder value creation. I think it’s better than ROE. We will look at both for us to get to the return invested capital that we think we can achieve in our mix of businesses. that’s in the 30%-plus range.
We have to have a 30% EBITDA margin and both capital utilization, as we say on the CapEx side of the equation, which generates great closure from EBITDA to free cash flow, which is then to build our book value. And so as we exit turning to with or without student loans, will be back to a 30% incremental EBITDA margin.
If we have the benefit of the student loan business, that would just be more incremental revenue and more incremental EBITDA at the 30% rate..
Got it. Thank you..
That is the end of our Q&A session. Now, I will turn the call over to SoFi, CEO, Anthony Noto, for closing remarks..
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That concludes the SoFi Q1 2022 earnings conference call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect your lines..