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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2014 - Q4
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Executives

Edward Robinson McGraw - Chairman, Chief Executive Officer Kevin Chapman - Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer Sam Potts - Chief Investment Officer Mitch Waycaster - Chief Administrative Officer John Oxford - Vice President, Director Corporate Communications.

Analysts

Katherine Miller - KBW Emlen Harmon - Jefferies Michael Rose - Raymond James David Bishop - Drexel Hamilton Matthew Olney - Stephens Andy Stapp - Hilliard Lyons.

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Renasant Corporation’s 2014 Fourth Quarter and Year-End conference call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today’s presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions.

[Operator instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. John Oxford. Please go ahead..

John Oxford Chief Marketing Officer

Thanks, Zelda. Good morning and thank you for joining us for Renasant Corporation’s 2014 Fourth Quarter and Year-End Earnings webcast and conference call. Participating in this call today are members of Renasant’s executive management team.

Before we begin, let me remind you that some of our comments during this call may be forward-looking statements which involve risks and uncertainty. A number of factors could cause actual results to differ materially from the anticipated results or other expectations expressed in the forward-looking statements.

Those factors include but are not limited to interest rate fluctuations, regulatory changes, portfolio performance and other factors discussed in our recent filings with the SEC.

We undertake no obligation to update or revise forward-looking statements to reflect changed assumptions, the occurrence of unanticipated events, or changes to future operating results over time. Now I will turn the call over to E. Robinson McGraw, Chairman and CEO of Renasant Corporation.

Robin?.

Edward Robinson McGraw Executive Chairman of the Board

Thank you, John. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us today. Our financial results for the fourth quarter of ’14 represent a strong finish to a great year. During ’14, we grew non-acquired loans over 13%, increased our net interest margin, enhanced efficiency, and also improved the credit risk of our portfolio.

All of these accomplishments resulted in record earnings and superior returns on profitability metrics. As we look to 2015, we believe we are well positioned to continue to improve on profitability and earnings growth, which in turn will generate shareholder value.

Looking at our performance during the fourth quarter of ’14, net income was up approximately 39% to $15.6 million as compared to $11.3 million for the fourth quarter of ’13. Basic and diluted earnings per share were $0.49 as compared to $0.36 for the fourth quarter of ’13.

Our return on average assets for this quarter was 1.08% as compared to 78 basis points for the same period in ’13. Our return on average equity for the fourth quarter of ’14 was 8.72% compared to 6.71% for the same period in ’13. Our Q4 ’14 return on average tangible assets and return on average tangible equity was 1.20% and 15.89%.

In December ’14, we announced a definitive merger agreement to acquire in an all-stock merger Heritage Financial Group Inc., or Heritage, a bank holding company headquartered in Albany, Georgia, and the parent of Heritage Bank of the South.

During the fourth quarter of ’14, we incurred merger expenses of approximately $500,000 or $0.01 in EPS related to this Heritage merger. Focusing on our balance sheet, total assets at year-end were approximately $5.80 billion as compared to approximately $5.75 billion at December 31, 2013.

Total loans, including loans acquired in either the company’s acquisition of First M&F in the third quarter of ’13 or in FDIC-assisted transactions, collectively referred to as acquired loans, increased to approximately $3.99 billion at December 31, 2014 as compared to $3.88 billion at December 31, 2013.

Excluding acquired loans, loans grew over 13% to $3.27 billion as compared to $2.89 billion at December 31, 2013. On a linked quarter basis, non-acquired loans increased $102 million or 13% on an annualized basis.

Breaking down year-over-year non-acquired loan growth by market, our Alabama markets grew loans by 7.4% and have now grown loans 16 of the last 17 quarters. Our Mississippi markets increased loans by 15.9%. Our Tennessee markets, which have grown loans for nine consecutive quarters, grew loans by 11%.

In Georgia, we grew non-covered loans by $66 million while covered loans decreased $38.6 million, giving us an increase of 7.6% of total loans and a 36.4% increase of non-covered loans for 2014. Before we move away from our loan discussion, let me address a topic which has come into focus recently, which is our exposure to the energy sector.

After review, we have virtually no exposure directly or indirectly to which the fluctuations in the price of oil would negatively impact. We’ve analyzed our loan and investment portfolio and have identified only one related loan to a company that provides components to the oil and gas exploration sector.

After stressing the cash flows, we do not have any concern about their ability to service their debt, today or in the future. Given our lack of exposure, we view the drop in oil and related energy costs to actually be a positive benefit to our clients. I’m going to let Kevin Chapman finish the rest of it..

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes, so just continuing to focus on the balance sheet, as we look at total deposits, total deposits remained at $4.8 billion and our non-interest bearing deposits averaged approximately $937 million for the quarter, which represents 19.6% of our total average deposits as compared to $889 million or 18.4% of average deposits for Q4 of ’13.

Our cost of funds dropped 6 basis points and was 45 basis points for the fourth quarter of ’14 compared to 51 basis points for the same quarter in ’13. Looking at our capital ratios at year-end, our TCE ratio, or tangible common equity ratio, was 7.52%.

Tier 1 leverage capital was 9.53%, Tier 1 risk-based capital was 12.45%, and our total capital ratio was 13.54%. All of our regulatory capital ratios are in excess of regulatory minimums required to be classified as well-capitalized.

Before leaving the topic of capital, I’d like to highlight the progress we’ve made in regenerating the capital we spent back in the third quarter of ’13 with the First M&F merger. As you will remember, at the time of closing our TCE ratio dropped to approximately 6.5% while our leverage ratio dropped to 8.7%, and total capital declined to 12.5%.

Over the last 15 months, we have grown the TCE ratio over 100 basis points and total capital ratio 100 basis points as well. Net interest income was $50 million for the fourth quarter of ’14 as compared to $50.7 million for Q4 of ’13. Net interest margin was 4.09% as compared to 4.16% for the same period in ’13.

Additional interest income we recognized in connection with the acceleration of pay downs and payoffs from the acquired loan portfolios increased net interest margins 11 basis points for the fourth quarter of ’14 as compared to 16 basis points in the fourth quarter of ’13.

Our non-interest income is derived from diverse lines of businesses, which primarily consist of mortgage, wealth management and insurance revenues along with income from deposit and loan products. For the fourth quarter of ’14, non-interest income increased to $20 million as compared to $18.3 million for the same period in ’13.

Non-interest expenses were $46 million for the fourth quarter of ’14 as compared to $51.1 million for the fourth quarter of ’13.

The reduction in non-interest expenses for the fourth quarter of ’14 compared to the same period in ’13 is primarily due to reductions in salaries, employee benefits, and other real estate expenses as well as a reduction in merger-related expenses.

In the fourth quarter of ’14, we recognized approximately $500,000 related to the pending Heritage merger, and in the fourth quarter of ’13 we recognized $1.9 million related to the First M&F acquisition which closed during the third quarter of ’13.

Looking at our credit quality metrics and trends, total non-performing loans were $55.1 million and OREO was $34.5 million at year-end.

Our non-performing loans and OREO acquired, either through the First M&F merger or in connection with FDIC-assisted transactions, which we collectively refer to as acquired non-performing loans, were $34.9 million and $17.4 million respectively at 12/31/14.

Since acquired non-performing assets are recorded at fair value at the time of acquisition and are subject to loss share agreements with the FDIC, which significantly mitigates our actual loss, the remaining information on non-performing loans, OREO and the related asset quality ratios exclude these acquired non-performing assets.

Non-performing assets decreased 20.17% to $37.3 million at year-end as compared to $46.7 million at year-end of 2013. Non-performing loans, which are those loans that are 90 days or more past due or on non-accrual were $20.2 million as compared to $19.2 million at 12/31/13.

Early stage delinquencies, or loans 30 to 89 days past due, as a percentage of total loans were 32 basis points at December 31, 2014. The allowance for loan losses as a percentage of loans was 1.29% at year-end as compared to 1.65% at 12/31/13.

Our coverage ratio, or the allowance for loan loss as a percentage of non-performing loans, decreased to 2.09% as compared to 2.49% at 12/31/13. Other real estate owned decreased 38% to $17.1 million as compared to $27.5 million at the end of 2013.

We continue to proactively market the properties held in OREO, as we sold approximately $28.8 million of OREO during 2014 with $6.1 million of sales occurring during the fourth quarter.

For the fourth quarter of ’14, we recorded a provision for loan losses of $1.1 million compared to $2 million for the fourth quarter of ’13, and for the fourth quarter of ’14 net charge-offs were $3.3 million as compared to $584,000 in the same period of last year.

Annualized net charge-offs as a percentage of loans for the fourth quarter of ’14 were 33 basis points compared to 6 basis points in the same period last year. This concludes our prepared remarks, and I’ll now turn the call back over to Zelda for any questions..

Operator

[Operator instructions] The first question comes from Katherine Miller with KBW. Please go ahead..

Katherine Miller

Good morning everyone..

Edward Robinson McGraw Executive Chairman of the Board

Good morning, Katherine..

Katherine Miller

I was wondering if we could dig into the expense decline a little bit. We saw this quarter the salaries were down, as you mentioned Kevin, about $2 million linked quarter.

Is there anything one-time going on in that number, or is this 27 a good base from which to grow moving into 2015?.

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes, so just specific to salaries and employee benefits, the $27 million does include, call it one-time adjustments. It’s really commission costs or commission expense associated with production, specifically mortgage and insurance production.

If you look at Q4 commissions compared to Q3 commissions, they're down about $900,000, and really what that reflects, it ties in some to the lack of revenue that we had up in non-interest income in those two areas. So it’s really just a variable cost dependent on the revenue generated, and so it will fluctuate.

So the run rate going forward would be in the $28 million range on salaries and employee benefits as far as a good run rate going forward..

Katherine Miller

Okay, perfect. Then on the fees, clearly lower than your really strong third quarter.

I guess two questions with that is, any cyclicality that you saw happening this quarter in your fee line item, and can you remind us over the past couple quarters how hedging has impacted the mortgage and if we saw any of that drive the linked quarter decline in the mortgage line item. Thanks..

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes, so talking about fee income, a couple of items in fee income that I think are worth noting. Let’s first talk about service charges on deposits. That line item was down a couple of hundred thousand dollars, call it $200,000. That’s really attributable to the number of billable days.

In Q3, we had 64 billable days, and--I’m sorry, in Q3 we had 63 billable days, Q4 we had 62 billable days. If we look at our service charges per billable day, they were the same; we just didn’t have the opportunity to build that same rate for the same amount of time that we did in Q3. So the service charges are really just a timing aspect.

When we look at mortgage income, mortgage income compared to Q4 of ’13 was up significantly. It was up 40%. It did pull back from Q3 levels, so it was slightly off, and that’s reflected not only in the gains on settled mortgage loans but also some of the pullback in fees and commissions on loans.

Origination fees from our mortgage banking division does flow through that line item, so overall mortgage income was down compared to Q3 but it was still what we view as a good month for mortgages, or a good quarter for mortgages, particularly compared to--if you compare to Q4 of ’13.

I will say that if you look at our pipeline at the end of December, our pipeline for December was in the $40 million to $45 million range in mortgages. I’ll tell you today, that pipeline is in the $70 million to $75 million range.

Our mortgage group has had a strong January, and really if we look at mortgage on a month-by-month basis in Q4, we had strong October and November, and December tailed off a little bit around the holiday season.

But as we look at our pipeline, as we look at our production in the first 20 or so days of this month, it has been strong production - I think they’ve been averaging about $4 million to $5 million of interest rate locks per day.

So we expect Q1 to have a rebound on the mortgage business, and then some of the cyclicality in the fee income, I discussed, NSF fees being more billable days and then the mortgage income being a slight pullback around December due to some holiday activity..

Katherine Miller

Okay, great. Very helpful, Kevin. Thank you..

Operator

The next question comes from - I’m sorry if I’m not pronouncing it correctly - Emlen Harmon from Jefferies. .

Emlen Harmon

You got it right the second time, so that’s better than most. Morning, guys. .

Edward Robinson McGraw Executive Chairman of the Board

Morning, Emlen..

Emlen Harmon

Just to quickly move back to the expense question, Kevin, you talked about that running--the comp line specifically running around $28 million on a quarterly basis going forward. That is a little better, I guess, than we’ve seen kind of over the course of the last year. It has tended to be in excess of $29 million.

Was there any lingering expenses for M&F, or just kind of what’s casting a lower run rate for that expense line going forward?.

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

So just overall, the efficiency initiative that we have is--some of our biggest efficiencies, quite frankly, they’re going to come out of our largest expense line item, which is salaries and employee benefits, so starting to see some of that.

I discussed the commissions as well as just getting future incentive accrual run rates correct, so not so much overhang coming out of M&F. If you look at our expenses in fourth quarter ’13, they’re at that $29 million, $30 million range on salaries and employee benefits. That would include a large portion of M&F.

We achieved the majority of those cost saves in Q1, but really what the run rate and that $28 million range is going to be the effect of realizing efficiencies in our largest expense line item..

Emlen Harmon

Got it, thank you. That’s helpful.

Second question from me, starting the year off here with the 10-year down around 40 basis points so far in the year, could you talk a little bit about what you have due coming in the securities book, just kind of what reinvestments are required near-term and how the 10-year is affecting your outlook for the NIM as we look out over 2015..

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes, so just to give a general answer to that and then I’m going to turn it over to Sam Potts, our Chief Investment Officer, to talk specifically about what he’s seeing on reinvestment rates.

But yes, the 10-year dropping below 2%, I think we’re sitting at about 1.75, 1.80 right now, puts pressure on the ability to reinvest that cash, and I guess also the forecast of when rates will move and which end of the curve will move seems to be in a constant state of discussion, which could impact our strategies for reinvesting excess cash as well.

But I’ll turn it over to Sam to talk specifically about what we’re seeing as far as new purchases..

Sam Potts

Right, so if you look at cash flow coming in for 2015, we expect to have approximately $10 million a month rolling out of the investment portfolio at a yield of just over 2.5%.

If you look at purchases we made in the fourth quarter, the weighted average rate on new purchases was just over 2%, so there is a slight give-up in terms of yield, so we do expect some downward pressure on the overall yield of the investment portfolio.

So if you average that out over the next year, you’re looking at a 10 or so basis point squeeze on the overall yield of the portfolio, given where rates are today.

So we look at both investing on the short end for cash flow and then going out on the curve, buying some munis for the yield, so that’s the balanced approach that we have taken and we’ll continue to take in 2015..

Emlen Harmon

Got it.

So that 10 basis point squeeze on the overall yield of the portfolio, you’re talking about the securities portfolio specifically and not the overall earning asset yield?.

Sam Potts

That is correct, yes..

Emlen Harmon

Got it. All right, perfect. Thank you very much, guys. Appreciate it..

Operator

The next question comes from Michael Rose with Raymond James. Please go ahead..

Michael Rose

Hey, good morning, guys.

How are you?.

Edward Robinson McGraw Executive Chairman of the Board

Morning, Michael..

Michael Rose

Just wanted to get a sense for where the pipelines sit at the end of the quarter, and any sort of color by market - and I’m sorry if I missed that. I hopped on late. Thanks..

Edward Robinson McGraw Executive Chairman of the Board

Yes, Mitch Waycaster will cover that..

Mitch Waycaster Chief Executive Officer & Executive Vice Chairman

Michael, the 30-day loan pipeline currently stands at $80 million. Breaking that down by state, 26% would be in Tennessee, 18% in Alabama, 20% in Georgia, and 36% in Mississippi.

Approximately 10% of the pipeline that’s included in that Georgia total is ABL, and this pipeline should result in approximately $30 million in growth in non-acquired loans within 30 days.

If you compare the current pipeline back to the same period last year, we were at $65 million and at $82 million in the last quarter, so we did not experience the decrease we typically see in the first quarter. So at $80 million, we continue to experience a strong pipeline as we enter the first quarter and expect continued healthy loan growth..

Michael Rose

Okay, that’s helpful.

Then as a follow-up, wondering if I could get a sense when you think the M&F portfolio will begin to kind of stabilize, and then as we move forward and we add in the new deal and the loans there, how should we think about the reserve and provisioning trends, because once you layer in the new deal, it’s obviously going to bring down that reserve to total loans.

I just want to get a sense for maybe where that bottoms, and then maybe how you think about as those loans migrate to, I guess, the core portfolio over time, how should we think about that [indiscernible] reserve ratio. Thanks..

Edward Robinson McGraw Executive Chairman of the Board

Mitch, you want to talk about M&F first?.

Mitch Waycaster Chief Executive Officer & Executive Vice Chairman

Yes. Michael, as far as the payoffs and the pay downs, as far as M&Ls in the prior quarter, in large part it was through amortization, just ordinary course of business. We continued to see resolution of problem credits, a church portfolio that we originally had indicated that we would allow to run off.

We continue to see some there, but by all indications, it appears the pace of payoff should begin to diminish going forward..

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Michael, this is Kevin, going back to your question about the allowance and provisioning, both today and as well as looking at when Heritage comes on. So at time of acquisition, Heritage will be--we will classify and account for the Heritage loans similar to what we do with M&F.

They will be an acquired bucket, and the reason we do that is so that we can keep our credit quality ratios comparable on what the allowance is assigned to, which is the non-acquired loans. So just looking at that line item, I think our allowance to loans ended the year at about 1.29.

That could incrementally come down as new loan growth outpaces provisioning. We’re provisioning about 65 to 70 basis points on new production, and so that number can come down. Where the absolute bottom is, is hard to tell. We look at a variety of metrics and internal calculations to see what our allowance needs are.

What we are experiencing are improving trends in all of our credit quality metrics, whether they are NPLs, NPLs to loans. Our internal watch list continues to decline. We see upgrades in releases of allowance needs periodically throughout the year, throughout the quarters, throughout the months.

So we look at all those factors combined in determining what our allowance needs are, and as those credit quality trends improve, it does become harder to over-reserve for loan growth or for exposure..

Michael Rose

Okay, that’s helpful. Thanks for the color, and thanks for taking my questions..

Operator

The next question comes from David Bishop with Drexel Hamilton. Please go ahead..

David Bishop

Good morning, gentlemen. Could you update us in terms of your positioning from an interest rate risk perspective, exposure and sensitivity if we do see some movement on the short end of the curve, maybe how sensitive you are there.

How far do they have to move to penetrate floors and the like? Just curious if there’s been any significant movement from quarter to quarter..

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes, there really hasn’t been any significant movement on the total company. We still maintain a position of being rate-neutral and slightly asset sensitive. We are incrementally trying to embed more asset sensitivity into the balance sheet, and not trying to make wholesale changes and making a bet that rates will absolutely rise.

We would have been proven wrong numerous times over the last seven years if we made that bet. So some of the things we have been doing is continuing to focus on our funding mix, to have a more stable funding mix, less reliance on wholesale funds that are more volatile in a rates-up or rates-down scenario.

If you look at our new and renewed loans for the quarter, our new and renewed rates came in around 4.30 - that’s about 20 basis points lower than where we have seen in the past several quarters at a 4.50 rate, in the prior quarters on a 4.50 on the renewed. This Q4, we were around 4.30; however, our mix of fixed and variable was more 50/50 in Q4.

In the past, it had been about 40% variable, 60% fixed, so we saw a more favorable mix from an interest rate risk standpoint.

It did result in about a 30 basis point lower yield on the absolute new and renewed rate for Q4, and actually that new and renewed rate is what led somewhat to a couple of basis points of margin compression if you back out the additional income from M&F.

It was really just the re-pricing of new and renewed at a slightly lower rate than what we’d experience in the past. But overall from an interest rate risk perspective, we’re still maintaining a rate-neutral position.

If you look at our variable rate loans, about 80% of the loans are either at a floor or have no floor, so if the short term rates move, then those will be variable rates. You take that other 20%, the majority of that becomes variable rate within the first 100 basis points movement of the short end of the curve..

David Bishop

Great, thank you..

Operator

The next question comes from Matthew Olney with Stephens. Please go ahead..

Matthew Olney

Hey, thanks. Good morning, guys. .

Edward Robinson McGraw Executive Chairman of the Board

Morning, Matt..

Matthew Olney

I want to go back to fee income. Kevin, you had addressed the impact of a number of items like service charges and the insurance and the mortgage.

Anything else unusual beyond that, whether it’s mortgage servicing, interchange, or anything beyond those items that you’ve already mentioned?.

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

No. We really didn’t have much of an impact from hedging or servicing. In our servicing portfolio, we account for that, below a cost to market. With the movement in rates, we did not have an impairment on that servicing, so it wasn’t a servicing issue that was weighing on mortgage or mortgage income.

When we look at debit card income, debit card income was flat in Q4 compared to Q3. I’ll be honest with you - that is a little bit of an anomaly.

We typically see growth in Q4 compared to Q3, but our transaction counts between Q4 and Q3 were the same, roughly the same - they were less than a percentage off, and that’s about how much we grew debit card income, was about a percentage point. To put that into perspective, we had been growing that line item about 4 to 5% per quarter.

So we’re digging into it. We don’t know if there’s been a behavior change in our customers with the usage of their debit cards, but that number did stick out a little bit because [indiscernible].

Outside of that, I’m not aware of any anomalies in non-interest income other than the billable days on NSF fees - if we had two more days, it would have been flat on service charges, and then the uptick that we’re seeing in January in the mortgage group. We’re seeing a stronger pipeline build coming out of the mortgage group..

Matthew Olney

All right, that’s helpful. Then going back to the discussion on the allowance and provision, in the fourth quarter a pretty light provision.

Was that a result of anything specific in terms of individual credits, or is that just a general improvement of the overall loan portfolio?.

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Overall loan portfolio. We really just provided for new loan growth, is what we did. It was really just--our provisioning was overall improvement.

The charge-offs for the past couple of quarters, we’ve been doing some clean up on some loans and just cleaning up some of our impaired loans in our allowance--in our risk writing, just cleaning up some impaired loans, and that’s what we’ve been doing in Q3 and Q4. .

Matthew Olney

Okay, and then lastly Kevin, any thoughts on tax rate going forward?.

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes, so tax rate in Q4, I think was right at 32%; in Q3, it was 31%. I think a good tax rate as far as ’15 goes is going to be in that 31 to 32% range. We’ve been trying on a year-to-date basis to get that around 30 to 31%, so that’s why it was a little bit higher in Q3, Q4.

But as we look at ’15, it’s going to remain in that 31, 32% range, and it’s really just a function of as we’ve grown pre-tax income, that income has been grown in taxable income sources. It’s not coming through munis or other non-taxable loans, so the effective tax rate as we grow pre-tax income is creeping up on us..

Matthew Olney

Got it. Thanks guys..

Operator

The next question comes from Andy Stapp with Hilliard Lyons. Please go ahead..

Andy Stapp

Good morning.

Do you have the Q4 yield on loans?.

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Yes, I do. Give me one second. Sorry, Andy, the gross--the absolute yield on loans is approximately at 4.90. If we back out the purchase accounting adjustments, it was more--the additional income from the accelerated accretion, it was more in the 4.75 range..

Andy Stapp

Okay, great..

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Andy, one thing I would like to mention on loans, and this is attributable to net interest income, if we look at our net interest income, it was down about $300,000 compared to Q3. One thing I think is important to note about that is if you look at our loan growth from Q3 to Q4, we grew loans $30 million.

One thing I want to point out is about $25 million of that growth came in the month of December, so we didn’t have the average--we didn’t have the ability to earn the average yield on that for two-thirds of the quarter. So as we look at Q1, we are expecting ramp-up in net interest income, just having a higher average balance as we start the year.

But there was some fluctuation in the net interest income just due to the timing of that growth. We did not have it equally or pro ratably for the entire quarter..

Andy Stapp

Yes, that’s helpful, thank you. Average earning assets have been down for three consecutive quarters.

Do you think you can reverse this trend?.

Kevin Chapman President & Chief Operating Officer

Short answer is yes. Where we have been shrinking earning assets has really been in our excess liquidity. If you look at our mix of earning assets, we are increasing our proportion of loans as a percentage of our earning assets, and what we’ve been ebbing and flowing has just been excess cash.

But [indiscernible] earning assets will be growing as we enter Q1 because of the build-up of seasonal public fund money. You will see earning assets increase, but again we keep a lot of that on the balance sheet in short-term assets or just in cash for liquidity purposes, because it will start flowing back out in Q2 and bottom out in Q3.

But what we focus on is our percentage of loans--our loans as a percentage of earning assets, which has been steadily growing..

Andy Stapp

Okay. All right, thanks. That’s all I had. The rest of my questions were answered..

Operator

This concludes our question and answer session. I would like now to turn the conference back over to Mr. Robin McGraw for any closing remarks. .

Edward Robinson McGraw Executive Chairman of the Board

Thanks everybody for your time and interest today in Renasant Corporation, and we’re looking forward to speaking with you again in the near future..

Operator

The conference has now concluded. Thank you for attending today’s presentation. You may now disconnect..

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