Susan Hanson - Director, Communications & Brand Management Dean Foate - Chairman, President & CEO Todd Kelsey - EVP & COO Patrick Jermain - SVP & CFO.
Matthew Sheerin - Stifel Nicolaus Sherri Scribner - Deutsche Bank North America Steven Fox - Cross Research Shawn Harrison - Longbow Research Jim Suva - Citigroup Mitch Steves - RBC Capital Markets Sean Hannan - Needham & Company.
Good morning and welcome to the Plexus Corp. Conference Call regarding its Fiscal Second Quarter 2016 Earnings Announcement. My name is Paulette and I’ll be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After a brief discussion by Management, we will open the conference call for questions.
The conference call is scheduled to last approximately one hour. I’d now like to turn the call over to Ms. Susan Hanson, Plexus' Director of Communications and Brand Management.
Susan?.
Thank you, Paulette. Good morning and thank you for joining us today. Some of the statements made and information provided during our call today will be forward-looking statements as they will not be limited to historical facts. The words believe, expect, intend, plan, anticipate and similar terms often identify forward-looking statements.
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Joining me today are Dean Foate, Chairman, President and Chief Executive Officer, Todd Kelsey, Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer, Patrick Jermain, Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and Steve Frisch, Executive Vice President and Chief Customer Officer. Let me now turn the call over to Dean Foate.
Dean?.
Thank you, Susan and good morning, everyone. Consistent with past earnings calls; I’ll provide my summary comments before turning the call over to Todd and Pat for further details. Beginning with our fiscal second quarter results on Slide 3. Yesterday after the close of the market, reported results for our fiscal second quarter of 2016.
Revenue was $619 million, largely in line with guidance. Versus earlier expectations, modest strength in our network communication sector, more than offset the slight underperformance of our industrial commercial sector.
I’m pleased to report that our non-GAAP diluted EPS of $0.55 was at the high-end of our guidance range as we benefited from several of our cost reduction and productivity improvement initiatives. Advancing now to our fiscal third quarter guidance on Slide 4.
We expect to return sequential growth in our fiscal third quarter as new program ramps more than offset the lingered revenue headwinds associated with the two previously announced program disengagements. While we’re guiding fiscal third quarter revenue in the range of $640 million to $670 million, suggesting 6% sequential growth at the midpoint.
With the excellent work by our teams to deliver on many of our cost reduction and productivity initiatives, we expect our operating margin will return to our target range of 4.7% to 5% in our fiscal third quarter, one quarter ahead of plan.
A substantially improved operating margin -- our operating performance should deliver non-GAAP diluted EPS in the range of $0.73 to $0.81. The midpoint of our EPS guidance range suggest a $0.22 or 40% improvement over the fiscal second quarter. Now I’d like to take a few minutes to summarize what I believe will be somewhat the key takeaways today.
Please advance to Slide 5. As a team, we’re confident in our commitment for further improvement in fiscal 2016, and optimistic about the momentum we’re building for the coming fiscal year. Our fiscal second quarter were not great on an absolute basis, was a significant improvement over the prior quarter.
We more than offset our seasonal cost headwinds with cost reduction actions and productivity improvements to deliver quarter-over-quarter EPS growth of 17% and essentially flat revenue. Our cash cycle performance was better than anticipated and contributed to free cash flow of $65 million.
While revenue was flat, keep in mind that the underlying growth was masked by revenue headwinds associated with the previously announced program disengagements. Our new business wins performance continued above our goal this quarter. In our fiscal third quarter we expect a solid quarter on an absolute basis.
As our operating margin returns to a target range, in addition, meaningful sequential revenue growth will return, driven by new program ramps, despite the final revenue headwind from the program disengagements. Further, our funnel of new business opportunities is at a record level, providing ample prospects to build on the early growth momentum.
Looking ahead as we exit fiscal 2016, we believe we can sustain our operating margin performance in our target range as we gain leverage from anticipated revenue growth or benefiting from continuing productivity initiatives.
With operating margin stabilizing in our target range and our focus on systemically improving our invested capital management, we expect our return on invested capital performance will meaningfully improve as we exit the year. Finally, free cash flow should improve over earlier expectations and approach $100 million for the fiscal year.
Now I’d like to take -- now I’d like to call attention to a second press release that was issued at the same time as our fiscal second quarter earnings announcement. Please advance to Slide 6 for a summary of the key points.
I want to take this opportunity to congratulate Todd, our Plexus Board of Directors has appointed Todd Kelsey, as Plexus’s President and Chief Executive Officer, effective October 2, 2016, which just happens to me my birthday. Congratulations Todd..
Thank you..
A well managed executive development and succession plan made it possible for me after 14 years as the Company’s CEO to retire at fiscal year-end. The Board has asked me to serve as Executive Chairman during fiscal 2017 to assist Todd ensuring a smooth transition. It’s anticipated that I will serve as Non-Executive Chair thereafter.
I’ll now turn the call over to Todd..
Thank you, Dean. Good morning, everyone. Before I get started, I’d like to recognize Dean and thank him for his tremendous leadership over the past 14 years. He has strategically positioned the Company and has built a strong management team to enable our future success.
Please advance to Slide 7 for a insight into the performance of our market sectors during the fiscal second quarter of 2016, as well as our expectations for the fiscal third quarter. Our networking communications sector was flat sequentially in Q2, which was better than our expectations of down in the mid-single digits.
Two of our customers outperformed prior forecasts, while results in the remainder of the sector were somewhat soft to expectations. Looking to Q3, we expect networking communications revenue to be down in the low single-digit percentage point range as we continue to wind down the program previously outlined by Dean.
Excluding this program, we are expecting underlying growth within the sector during the quarter, driven by an improving forecast from one of our top customers and new communications program ramps. Overall, demand within the sector remains volatile and we expect revenue from 6 of our top 10 customers to decline sequentially.
Our healthcare/life sciences sector was down 1% sequentially in Q2, essentially in line with our expectations of flat. Demand remained relatively stable throughout the quarter.
Looking ahead to the fiscal third quarter, we anticipate revenue in our healthcare/life sciences sector to be up in the mid-single digits relative to Q2 as we benefit from new program ramps. Our industrial commercial sector was down 2% sequentially in our fiscal second quarter, below our expectations of up low single digits.
The results were driven by modest softening in the sector end markets and component constraints related to a customer order inside of lead time. As we look ahead to Q3, we currently anticipate that our industrial commercial sector will be up in the high teens percentage point range on the strength of new program wins with top customers in the sector.
Our defense/security/aerospace sector was up 8% sequentially in Q2, a result that was above expectations of a mid single-digit increase. Much of the gain was a direct result of strong operational performance in our aerospace and defense center of excellence in Nina. Four of our top five customers in the sector achieved quarter-over-quarter growth.
We currently expect Q3 to be flat sequentially as new program ramps and end market strength of a security customer are offset by seasonal weakness with a second security customer. As we look to the fiscal fourth quarter and beyond, our revenue forecast for each of our sectors remained reasonably consistent from our earlier expectations.
We continue to expect modest sequential revenue growth in our fiscal quarter. Next to new business wins on Slide 8.
During the fiscal second quarter, we won 38 new programs in our manufacturing solutions group that we anticipate will generate $174 million in annualized revenue when fully ramped in production, a result that is consistent with our last several quarters. The wins for our APAC region are quite encouraging at $88 million.
In addition, the wins in our EMEA region are consistent with prior quarters, maintaining the wins momentum at an encouraging level. As a consequence, we expect meaningful growth in EMEA region in fiscal 2016 and fiscal 2017. Please advance to Slide 9 for further insight into the wins performance of our market sectors.
In the fiscal second quarter, our manufacturing solutions wins were robust in the industrial commercial sector where we continue to expand our portfolio programs with the top customer.
When reviewing the sector wins momentum, the networking communications sector is well under the 25% level, reflecting our planned intentional shift out of the traditional networking space. In addition, the healthcare/life sciences and industrial/commercial sectors continue their trend of wins momentum well above our 25% goal.
These facts support our long-term growth goal and continued transformation to a healthier more defendable portfolio. Now advancing to manufacturing wins momentum on Slide 10. Our trailing four quarter manufacturing wins as shown by the dark blue bars is at $667 million.
This performance results in a wins momentum of 26% above our target and relatively consistent with the prior three quarters. Our engineering solutions wins totaled approximately $16 million in the fiscal second quarter, a result that was below our expectations and our recent wins performance.
However, several opportunities were in the late stages of the funnel at quarter end and we expect our engineering solutions wins will be exceptionally strong in Q3. As we ended the fiscal second quarter, our engineering solutions funnel was at an all-time high. Please advance to Slide 11.
Our go-to market teams have generated and are actively working a $2.5 billion funnel of qualified manufacturing opportunities, which represents a record high. We anticipate the strong funnel will translate into increased wins in the upcoming quarters, fuelling our growth.
On a sector basis, our healthcare/life sciences and industrial commercial funnels are exceptionally strong, consistent with our goal of expanding market share within these sectors in order to deliver a differentiated portfolio. Next I’d like to turn to operating performance on Slide 12.
Our fiscal second quarter revenue at $619 million was modestly up from Q1. Our operating margin finished above our guidance range and up 40 basis point sequentially at 4.1% as a result of noteworthy performance associated with our cost reduction and productivity improvement initiatives from our three manufacturing regions.
As we look forward to Q3, we expect meaningful sequential revenue growth of 6% at the midpoint. We anticipate our fiscal third quarter operating margin will be in our target range of 4.7% to 5% as we largely complete our near-term cost reduction and productivity improvement initiatives.
Please advance to Slide 13 for additional insight into our recent operating margin performance and future operating margin expectations. As discussed on previous calls, we put in place plans to improve operating profit $6 million to $8 million per quarter by our fiscal third quarter of 2016.
We finished Q2 well ahead of schedule and expect to end Q3 at the high-end of this range. As previously discussed, we achieved a 20 basis point improvement to fiscal first quarter operating margin as a result of immediate focused actions on reducing discretionary spending, reducing operating expenses, and achieving near-term productivity gains.
In our Q2, our operating margin benefited by 10 basis points as a result of completing the Livingston facility restructuring. We also achieved a 50 basis point improvement as a result of the strong progress on our cost reduction and productivity initiatives, particularly within our manufacturing sites.
Finally, we actualized a 20 basis point benefit as our Guadalajara site reached corporate operating margin expectations resulting from revenue growth and productivity improvements.
These items more than offset the typical 40 basis point seasonal headwinds inclusive of compensation adjustments and United States payroll tax reset, resulting in our operating margin of 4.1%. Looking ahead to our fiscal third quarter, we expect to largely complete our near-term cost reduction and productivity improvement initiatives.
We anticipate this will result in an additional 60 to 90 basis points of operating margin improvement and position us in our target operating margin range of 4.7% to 5%, one quarter ahead of earlier expectations.
Looking to the fiscal fourth quarter and beyond, we anticipate additional positive margin benefit as a result of finalizing the Fremont facility closure and achieving sustained growth in the EMEA region. These improvements will fund future growth initiatives while enabling achievement of our target operating margin range.
Including the negative impact of the Q2 seasonal costs, we expect to realize a cumulative operating margin improvement of 120 to 150 basis points as a result of our cost reduction and productivity improvements, positioning us well for future quarters. I'll now turn the call to Pat, for a more detailed review of our financial performance.
Pat?.
Thank you, Todd, and good morning, everyone. Our fiscal second quarter results are summarized on Slide 14. Revenue of $619 million was slightly above the midpoint of our guidance, while gross margin of 8.6% was above our guidance and 50 basis points above the fiscal first quarter.
Our efforts to manage costs, improve productivity, exit low margin programs, and ramp our Guadalajara facility, all contributed to the margin expansion. The two lower margin program disengagements that we previously outlined continue to progress largely as planned.
Selling and administrative expense of $28 million was at the top end of our guidance primarily due to higher variable incentive compensation. For the second quarter, SG&A as a percentage of revenue was approximately 4.5%, which was slightly above the fiscal first quarter.
Gross margin and SG&A expense were impacted by annual merit increases and the reset of payroll taxes for U.S employees. Before restructuring, we delivered operating margin of 4.1% which exceeded the top end of our guidance by 10 basis points. Approximately 60 basis points of stock-based compensation expense is included in operating margin.
Diluted earnings per share of $0.50 includes a $0.05 per share detriment, as a result of after-tax restructuring charges of $1.9 million, related primarily to the previously announced closure of our Fremont, California facility. Excluding restructuring charges, non-GAAP EPS of $0.55 was at the top end of our guidance.
Fiscal second quarter results include an after-tax loss of $0.03 per share related to foreign exchange volatility primarily within our Malaysia operations. This quarter we began hedging a portion of our balance sheet exposures in Malaysia and plan to expand the program in future quarters to cover a greater portion of our exposure.
Turning now to the balance sheet on Slide 15. Return on invested capital was 11.6% for the fiscal second quarter, an 80 basis point improvement from the prior quarter and 60 basis points above our fiscal 2016 weighted average cost of capital of 11%.
As we progress through fiscal 2016, we believe our stronger margin performance in combination with disciplined invested capital management, we will continue to improve our return on invested capital performance. During the quarter, we purchased approximately 209,000 of our shares for $7.3 million, at a weighted average price of $34.88 per share.
The shares repurchased under the $30 million stock repurchase program authorized by the Board of Directors last August. We have approximately $14 million remaining under the authorization which we plan to use to repurchase shares on a relatively consistent basis over the remainder of fiscal 2016.
During the quarter, we generated $70 million in cash from operations and spent $5 million on capital expenditures resulting in free cash flow at $65 million. This result exceeded our $20 million to $40 million free cash flow guidance for the fiscal second quarter.
Lower capital expenditures and continued emphasis on working capital management contributed to the improvements in free cash flow. Cash cycle at the end of the second quarter was 66 days, a sequential improvement of 5 days and 2 days better than our guidance. Please turn to Slide 16 for details on our cash cycle.
Both days and inventory and accounts payable days were sequentially up 3 days driven by the higher forecasted revenue for the fiscal third quarter. Inventory increased approximately $14 million in support of the anticipated third quarter revenue ramp, offset by a $60 million increase in accounts payable.
Sequentially, days and receivables were down five days. Three main factors contributed to the improvement. We experienced a positive mix change to customers with more favorable payment terms; we also experienced a better loading of revenue throughout the quarter as opposed to a high concentration at quarter end.
Finally, our global collection teams continued their focus on reducing past due balances, which is also benefited our receivable days. As Dean has already provided the revenue and EPS guidance for the fiscal third quarter, I'll now turn to some additional details which are summarized on Slide 17.
We expect additional restructuring charges of approximately $1.5 million to $2.5 million in the fiscal third quarter, primarily related to our Fremont, California facility. These charges are excluded from the guidance discussed today.
Both the closure of the Fremont site and end to volume manufacturing at our Livingston, Scotland facility are advancing as previously communicated. We expect all restructuring activities related to these actions to be completed in fiscal 2016. Total restructuring charges are expected to be in the range of $5 million to $6 million for the year.
Gross margin is expected to be in the range of 9.2% to 9.5%. The midpoint of this guidance suggests a sequential increase of 75 basis points.
With higher expected revenue in the fiscal third quarter and a corresponding increase in variable incentive compensation expense, we expect SG&A dollars to be sequentially higher in the range of $29 million to $30 million.
However, at the midpoint of our revenue guidance, anticipated SG&A would be approximately 4.4% of revenue, a sequential decrease of 10 basis points resulting from improved operating expense leverage.
Fiscal third quarter operating margin is expected to be within our target margin range of 4.7% to 5%, which includes approximately 55 basis points of stock-based compensation expense. A few other notes. Depreciation expense for the fiscal third quarter is expected to be approximately $12 million consistent with our fiscal second quarter.
Before restructuring charges, we are estimating an effective tax rate of 8% to 10% for the fiscal third quarter and 10% to 12% for the full-year. The lower rate forecasted for the fiscal third quarter compared to the second quarter is largely attributed to changes in the geographic distribution of earnings.
Our expectation for the balance sheet is a sequential increase in working capital dollars to support expected higher levels of revenue during the second half of fiscal 2016. Based on the forecasted levels of revenue, we expect a cash cycle of 63 to 67 days for the fiscal third quarter.
With a build in working capital to support the revenue increase and added capital expenditures, we expect free cash flow in the range of $5 million to $15 million for the fiscal third quarter. We are increasing our fiscal 2016 expectation of free cash flow by $10 million at the midpoint. Our new range is $90 million to $110 million.
We expect fiscal 2016 capital spending to be in the range of $40 million to $45 million, which is primarily focused on capital to support new program ramps. With that, I’ll open the call for questions. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up.
Paulette?.
Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Matthew Sheerin from Stifel. Please go ahead..
Yes, thanks, and good morning and congratulations on the promotion Todd and to you as well Dean. Just a couple of questions from me. First, just regarding the networking communications segment which has been down obviously for reasons that you’ve stated, deselecting revenue.
At this point, are you happy with that portfolio in terms of its margin contribution to the Company or is there some -- still some pruning left there?.
So Matt, this is Todd. First of all, thank you very much and I'll take the question obviously. So with respect to the portfolio in the networking communications sector we have been able to direct it heavily towards communications and away from the traditional networking space. We are right now at about 80% communications, about 20% networking.
So we feel quite good about the portfolio itself and where it’s headed in the future. And we think this is at a good spot where it's defendable within our portfolio and contributes nicely to our expectations as a Company..
Okay. And just related to that, I mean, that segment has gone from mid 30s percentage of revenue to mid 20s and looks like with the growth in the other segment it’s going to go down to perhaps 20% or below, and you’re still sticking to that, still 4.5% to 5% EBIT margin target that you’ve had in place for the last couple of years.
But given that change of mix, is it possible to see that range going higher somewhat or is the business so tough that 5% is a reasonable target at this point?.
Rider we are committed to the 4.7% to 5% target. We think that's a reasonable range. We think it's a good mark within the industry and it’s also something that we think is defendable with our customer base as well..
Okay, great. Thanks a lot..
Thank you..
And our next question comes from Sherri Scribner from Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead..
Hi, guys. Congratulations to both of you on your changes in jobs..
Thank you, Sherri..
Thanks, Sherri..
Thinking about the guidance with the 40% increase in EPS, that seems pretty high considering your track record and I know you walk through some of the cost savings.
But how confident are you in the ability to reach that EPS number, given it does seem to be a bit of a jump?.
Yes, I guess, we want to put it out there, if weren’t confident in it. I mean, you’re right.
It’s a pretty dramatic change, but I think what’s -- both Todd and I kind of walk through some of the key levers that are getting there -- getting it there and of course some of it is this -- is the productivity and cost reduction efforts that we’re working through the cycle, those sort of things that we start to realize as well as the shift -- mix shift in revenue, and then the -- in terms of the sectors as well as the organic growth that we’re going to see in the coming quarters.
So we’re quite confident that we’re putting on good numbers there..
Okay. And it does look like your gross margin guidance is higher for 3Q. I assume that’s related to mix to some extent, and then some of that EPS improvement maybe one or two penny, it seems to be the lower tax rate.
Is that the right way to think about it?.
Yes. That’s right, Sherri. Tax rate is benefiting us. The other component that’s benefiting us is, I mentioned in the speech that we had $0.03 of foreign exchange losses which as we continue to manage that exposure. I would expect that to come down and we’re expecting to see some of that reduction in Q3..
Okay, great. Thank you..
And our next question comes from Steven Fox from Cross Research. Please go ahead..
Thanks. Good morning. Congrats to Dean and Todd. So, I guess, first of all, can you just sort of walk through the comment about the fourth quarter maybe not having much sequential growth. I think if I look back on prior fiscal fourth quarters, there’s been a decent amount of growth when business has been relatively tame -- markets been relatively tame.
And I was just curious what's going into that thinking? And then I had a follow-up..
Sure. So, Steve this is, Todd. What I would say is that our quarters and our forecast has been relatively consistent over the course of the last three quarters. So obviously we saw the big drop or reset in our forecast back around the June through September timeframe, multiple resets and it stayed reasonably consistent.
So the projection is that we’re expecting sequential growth just not at the 6% quarter-over-quarter rate that we’re going to see Q3 to Q2 or that we’re expecting to see Q3 to Q2..
Is there one market within there which is contributing to a little bit more conservatism than others for the fiscal fourth quarter?.
Well in general the markets are lackluster, I would say, with maybe the exception of aerospace. So markets as a whole are pretty much going sideways. Probably the networking communications as a whole is the most volatile although we are seeing strength with certain customers within that market..
Great.
And then just as a follow-up, on the cost reduction side, I was wondering how much progress in Guadalajara might have had to pulling forward your targets by one quarter? And if that wasn’t the case, can you just sort of give us a further update on how Guadalajara is progressing at this point?.
Sure. So, Guadalajara -- and first of all in general with respect to the productivity and cost reduction initiatives, we really didn’t include Guadalajara in there in any meaningful way. Now with that said, the team at the site had or did an excellent job.
I mean they grew revenue to better than this $50 million quarterly run rate that we had talked about. They also drove margins to a higher level than we had anticipated coming into the quarter. So they had a really meaningful impact to our operating margin within the quarter.
And we’d say that right now they’re at essentially corporate expectations although there is certainly room to do more at the site as we grow the site. But we won't be talking about it in terms of it being a drag anymore on our corporate operating margins. And if we look at the site as a whole, the site is performing spectacularly.
We run a customer net promoter survey process and the Guadalajara site had a perfect score. Every customer recommended them. They also have a funnel that is really on par or it’s an exceptional funnel that’s on par with any of our sites within the company. So, we expect to continue to grow the site at a relatively aggressive basis..
Great. Thank you very much, and good luck to everyone going forward..
Thank you..
Thank you..
Our next question comes from Shawn Harrison from Longbow Research. Please go ahead..
Good morning everybody, and my congratulations to everybody too. Two questions, I guess the $2.5 billion funnel, if you could maybe just break that down. Are there larger programs in there? What's driving it, because its -- was it a two year high last quarter now at a record high.
And how do programs come out of that? Are you expecting to harvest a much greater number now over the next 12 months in terms of above this kind of lets say $175 million run rate?.
This is, Steve. From a funnel breakout standpoint it’s definitely seeing significant strength in the healthcare life sciences sector. That team is doing a really good job driving opportunities in there from a size standpoint. I’m going to say there is a significant change in the magnitude of the opportunities that are in there.
There’s a mix of decent size ones, the medium size ones and smaller size ones. As we go forward the trailing four quarters numbers if you look back in time here, we had a soft quarter four quarters ago, and that one will be coming out next quarter. I do expect this quarter to be on par to maybe even a little bit stronger.
So, I would expect our trailing four quarters percentage to pop up a little bit. And so, from that standpoint we continue to see a good wins momentum going into the back half of the year here, and I would expect the wins to come out of there at a -- on par with the rates that we’ve had in the past maybe slightly little better here in the near-term..
There’s a $2.5 billion funnel, I guess, I mean that there is just, your overtime will win more or is it -- does it essentially, I guess, the question I have is that at some point in time does it step up so you’re capturing a larger portion of that funnel?.
Well the trailing four quarters metrics the intention here is, as revenue grows we do need to capture more out of it to keep the wins momentum going. So to answer your question, yes we do need to continue to pull more out of there to support the growth, and that is the plan..
Okay. Pat, I guess, as you -- if you think about supporting more of wins coming out of the funnel, some strong program ramps in the second half. I know there was a slide of investments being made and partially being offset by the restructuring actions.
But as you get into 2017, are you going to see an acceleration in OpEx that you have to put toward growing the business or something that could pressure margins?.
Yes. I don’t think Shawn, necessarily from an OpEx standpoint. I think we can maintain this percentage around 4.4% to 4.5%. We’re getting really good leverage with productivity improvements, continuous improvement efforts that we’re making both at the sites and within the corporate office.
I think where we could see some growth is in CapEx, maybe towards the backend of ’17, if Guadalajara continues to be as successful as they have been, we may need to look for an additional site in Mexico in Guadalajara. So you could see CapEx going up to support new program ramps and potentially new site either later ’17 or into ’18..
Perfect, and congrats on the results guys..
Thank you..
Thank you..
And our next question comes from Jim Suva from Citi. Please go ahead..
Thank you, and congratulations to your results. And Dean, you’ll definitely be missed, but don’t go away too fast. That being said, on the aerospace side you mentioned strength there.
Can you mention, is that commercial? Is that industrial? How should we think about that? And then on the tax rate, I believe you had mentioned its going to be lower for the next quarter. Do you think that’s a permit thing, of course it depends upon your mix and things like that.
But why would it not be kind of more sustainable reoccurring beyond one quarter as you have adjusted your footprint and things like that?.
Let’s take the tax rate first, Todd and Pat..
Okay, yes. Jim, it could be, it’s kind of a unique situation. I mean, it really depends on where we’re earning our profits around the globe and obviously there is different tax rates and some lower than others. What's unique is that, we’re seeing more profitability in the U.S.
as we go forward which one would think that would be maybe a negative thing because of the higher tax rate. But actually for the next few years that’s a positive for us because we’ve got previous losses that we’re offsetting future profitability with. So we’re not incurring any tax expense in the near-term in the U.S.
Now if we go out five, ten years from now, that could change and we could be at the quarter rate in the U.S. So to answer your question, I think it is probably sustainable at a lower rate for the next few years, but then eventually at some point we’ll see that ticking up as that profitability continues in the U.S..
And this is, Steve. In regards to the aerospace element, it’s no secret here.
We had a couple of challenges this past summer in our center of excellence and those are past us, in fact I think Todd mentioned in his script the fact that a lot of the performance that we’ve achieved here in the last quarter is based on that team really delivering for our customers.
So we expect basically to return to growth from those customers who kind of pause for a little bit. So the whole momentum there is really driven just by our ability to execute and deliver for those customers..
Right.
And is the demand more commercial aerospace or military or do you have the visibility there?.
It is more commercial. Defenses for us, its something that -- there’s a lot of conversations about it rebounding a bit more, but our aerospace growth is definitely more on the commercial side..
Thank you, and congratulations to you and your teams..
Thank you..
Thank you..
And our next question comes from Mitch Steves from RBC Capital Markets. Please go ahead..
Hi guys. Thanks for taking my question. So from an end-market perspective it looks like the industrial is going to grow mid-teens the next quarter.
So I’m just wondering, what kind of change this quarter you guys saw a material uptick considering that was a little bit lighter than you guys expected for the March quarter?.
This is Todd, Mitch. So from a industrial/commercial standpoint the big change in Q3 is new program ramps. So we had some significant new program ramps with multiple customers that are driving the revenue growth in Q3.
From a market standpoint or an end-market standpoint, I would say the industrial/commercial markets, while it’s very broad they’re kind of going sideways or a lackluster. We talked about the potential that semi cap might be improving last quarter, that is not the case. I mean, it’s really kind of back to lackluster or sideways from our perspective.
Oil and gas continues to be weak, and really our growth has been driven by new program ramps..
Got it. So, I mean, what segment are you seeing the program ramps? And then secondly on the comp side, could you give us some more granularity on essentially what product lines you’re seeing that are doing better? I know you guys are thinking about a customer specific information..
Yes. Go ahead, Steve..
Growth is really in the -- what we’d classify as kind of the, in the industrial side of the equation more in instrumentation side.
And it’s related to, Todd talked about a customer that, we talked about it probably a year-ago, is what a customer that we won and have experienced good growth with them, and they’re bringing out new products and we’re winning those.
I think one of the reasons also for the, little bit of a jump Todd talked about the fact that industrial/commercial was soft this quarter. That customer asked us to shift some components from one product line to another which impacted our revenue but allowed them to get the product that they needed out the door.
So we’ll also experience that revenue in the quarter as well. So its decent growth with basic customer is ramping some new products..
The other thing I would add to that too, Mitch from a new customer win standpoint as we’re seeing some pretty significant wins within the semi cap space. So while we’re not necessarily capitalizing on it to the level that we would hope to in the future. It positions us pretty well for when that market rebounds..
Got it. Thank you very much..
Thank you..
And our next question comes from Sean Hannan from Needham & Company. Please go ahead..
Good morning. Thanks for taking my question.
Can you hear me?.
Yes..
Yes..
Okay, great. All right. So just was curious, what was the component constraint that had affected you on the industrial side? Sorry, if I had missed that. I don’t think you got very specific on that..
This is, Steve. The issue was is that the customer came in and asked us within lead time to build additional product and we’re not able to secure the materials within lead time. So there really wasn’t a component constraint in terms of anything in the industry.
It was just the ability to get enough parts in house, and so as a result they asked us to shift some of that inventory to build a different product. So there’s really no component constraints in the industry. It was just the matter of them dropping in extra demand and asking us to shift the mix.
So we don’t see any issue with that going forward, because now we’ve got the visibility with -- and basically the lead times are not an issue at this point..
Okay. And then, in terms of program ramps and, what typically you would experience as for any new program activity. There tends to be fair inefficiencies.
It seems like there are a number of ramps occurring today which have been helping, it seems like there are a fair amount of ramps in the next few quarters and particularly as we look to the backend of the year and into ’17.
Can you talk a little bit around if there was any concerns for inefficiencies and then separately any exposure that you have or concerns in terms of new or nascent relationships where the nature of that ordering pattern could create some volatility for you or even some inefficiencies in those ramps themselves? Thanks..
I think we’re in pretty good shape really from a productivity standpoint in the new business ramps. I mean, there is always some inefficiencies until you get the full leverage on the revenue coming up, but that’s part of the financial model is to overcome that with productivity improvements on existing programs.
So we’re low to kind of use that as an excuse not to hit our margin targets, and of course we’re forecasting that we are going to hit our margin targets in the coming quarters. So I think we’re in good shape with the ramps that we’re seeing.
In terms of concerns about the ordering patterns of those programs not coming to provision the way we expect the visibility that we have at this point is that, I’m not overly concerned that they’re not going to unfold the way we predict or the way we’re forecasting.
I think the demand is clearly there based on what's happening in the particular industrials where the ramps are occurring. So I feel quite confident in terms of how we’re, the full year here is going to unfold and frankly how the momentum is going to start to carry into the new fiscal year..
Okay. That’s great color. Thanks so much..
And our next question comes from Herve Francois [ph] from B. Riley. Please go ahead..
Thank you very much, and let me add my congrats towards Dean and Todd as well. Congrats guys. Just in regards to the wins in the APAC region that you’ve shown here in your slides.
Can you talk about what end markets you’re seeing the wins that have been taking place out there?.
This is, Steve. The wins in the APAC region actually I think across all three regions are probably evenly split across the sectors. So as you look at the sector splits and you apply those to the regions, the mix is probably pretty equal across them..
Got it.
And is that wins from existing customers that are out there or some of them here domestically that some of the programs are just going to be manufactured up there?.
So these would be new program wins from either existing customers and new targeted customers, but these would not be considered transfers within Plexus. There would be incremental revenue as they ramp..
Okay, great. Thanks very much..
Yes, and I would also just say that, I mean in any given quarter that the bulk of the revenue, the new business wins is with existing customers by design. We’re trying to increase our share with those customers.
The commentary product folds back to somewhat their earlier discussions about our ability to affectively ramp these new programs and gain leverage as well because when you have a higher number -- a higher concentration of wins with the existing customers you tend to get the leverage in manufacturing quicker the transitions tend to go smoother..
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