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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q4
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Executives

Carol DiRaimo - Vice President-Investor Relations and Corporate Communications Lenny Comma - Chairman and Chief Executive Officer Jerry Rebel - Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Analysts

Brian Bittner - Oppenheimer Alex Slagle - Jeffries David Tarantino - Robert Baird Joe Buckley - Bank of America Dave Carlson - KeyBanc Capital Markets Jeffrey Bernstein - Barclays Jeff Farmer - Wells Fargo Securities Bob Derrington - Wunderlich Securities Matthew DiFrisco - Guggenheim Securities Nick Setyan - Wedbush Securities.

Operator

Good day, everyone, and welcome to the Jack in the Box Incorporated Fourth Quarter Fiscal 2015 Earnings Conference Call. Today’s call is being broadcast live over the Internet. A replay of the call will be available on the Jack in the Box corporate website, starting today.

During the question-and-answer period, please use your handset when asking a question. Please do not ask over a speakerphone. At this time, for opening remarks and introductions, I would like to turn the call over to Carol DiRaimo, Vice President of Investor Relations and Corporate Communications for Jack in the Box. Please go ahead ma’am..

Carol DiRaimo

Thank you, Carol, and good morning everyone. Joining me on the call today are Chairman and CEO, Lenny Comma, and Executive Vice President and CFO, Jerry Rebel.

During this morning’s session, we’ll review the company’s operating results for the fourth quarter of fiscal 2015 as well as some of the guidance we issued yesterday for the first quarter and fiscal 2016.

In our comments this morning, per share amounts refer to diluted earnings per share and operating earnings per share is defined as diluted EPS from continuing operations on a GAAP basis, excluding restructuring charges and gains or losses from refranchising. Following today’s presentation, we’ll take questions from the financial community.

Please be advised that during the course of our presentation and our question-and-answer session today, we may make forward-looking statements that reflect management’s expectations for the future, which are based on current information. Actual results may differ materially from these expectations based on risks to the business.

The Safe Harbor statement in yesterday’s news release and the cautionary statement in the company’s most recent Form 10-K are considered a part of this conference call. Material risk factors as well as information relating to company operations are detailed in our most recent 10-K, 10-Q and other public documents filed with the SEC.

These documents are available on the Investors section of our website at www.jackinthebox.com. A few calendar items to note. Jack in the Box management will be attending Barclays Gaming, Lodging, Leisure and Restaurant Conference in New York on December 8, and the KeyBanc Capital Markets Consumer Conference also in New York on December 9.

Our first quarter ends on January 17, and we tentatively plan to announce results on Wednesday, February 17, after market close. Our conference call is tentatively scheduled to be held at 8:30 a.m. Pacific Time on Thursday, February 18.

We’ll be hosting an investor and analyst meeting on May 24 and 25 in Kansas City, where we recently opened our first Qdoba restaurant and have several Jack in the Box restaurants. During his remarks, Lenny will provide a little more color on what you can expect us to discuss at that event.

We’ll provide more information as the date nears, but please mark your calendars. And with that I’ll turn the call over to Lenny..

Lenny Comma

Thank you, Carol, and good morning everyone. We wrapped up the fourth quarter with solid results, which caps yet another year of terrific performance for the company. We’re proud to report that both our Qdoba and Jack in the Box brands exceeded just about every target we set at the beginning of the year.

In addition, our level of confidence and our ability to compete over the long-term was bolstered by the fact that both brands drove these results by successfully introducing more craveable food and without relying on aggressive discounting.

Our franchisees also experienced the benefits of higher sales and margins on their profitability, which is the critical factor in driving their desire to grow and make investments in each brands.

This morning, we would like to review some of the strategic initiatives that drove these results and take a look ahead at what you can expect from us in 2016. First, let’s take a look at our Jack in the Box brands.

As I shared just about a year ago, we conducted a round of consumer research in 2014 that gave us confidence, but our consumers would reward us for quality improvements across our line of burgers, fries, and drinks.

I further shared that we would foreshadow these product improvements throughout 2015 with the introduction of several LTOs and permanent new items. As promised, we introduced a number of higher quality burgers in 2015, including our popular Buttery Jack platform, which was one of the most successful product launches ever when it debuted in February.

In addition to these new products, we are improving the quality of our entire core burger menu, and we’ll introduce those across our system at the beginning of quarter two. On the beverage front, our guests clearly told us that they wanted more choices and more consistency.

So in Q3, we began rolling out the Coca-Cola Freestyle platform, which offers more than 100 choices including sparkling beverages, flavored waters, sports drinks, and lemonades that can be customized however the guest wants.

We completed the installation of Freestyle machine in company restaurants in Q4 and expect to complete installation across more than 90% of our system by the end of February.

We intend to highlight these improvements with television and digital advertising, POP, packaging, uniforms, and new menu boards that will be much easier for our guests to navigate. Stay tuned for what we expect to be a big step in the right direction for our brand. Now let’s take a look at how we’re repositioning the Qdoba brand.

Over the last few years, we’ve been transitioning away from some of the more value and discount oriented deals that we featured in the past to promotions more focused on freedom of choice and mouthwatering flavors. We began in 2014 by capitalizing on one of our biggest equities, our 3 cheese queso with line extensions including queso Diablo.

And then in 2015, we rolled out a new pricing structure and became the only major fast casual Mexican brand that doesn’t nickel-and-dime its guests by charging extra for things like our hand smashed guacamole or queso. In 2016, we expect to drive sales and transactions with a combination of great new products and enhanced communication.

To that end, we launched Knockout Tacos in late October featuring six different chef-inspired recipes, which are unlike anything you’ll find on most competitors menus.

For example, the Gladiator has steak, bacon, pico de gallo, lettuce, Mexican Caesar dressing, cilantro, and cotija cheese; or the Two Timer which features pulled pork, salsa roja, shredded cheese, lettuce, pico de gallo, cotija cheese, and a crispy taco wrapped in a flour tortilla spread with 3-Cheese Queso.

Importantly the Knockout Tacos represent the first of several craveable items coming from our menu innovation pipeline in 2016 and beyond. In addition to our traditional channels of advertising, we’re redirecting some marketing dollars to test television for the first time in select markets where we have higher levels of penetration.

As part of the new ChooseFlavor campaign developed by our new ad agency, we’re currently showcasing our Knockout Tacos in TV spots in six company markets. You can link to the commercial on a homepage of Qdoba’s website at qdoba.com.

We will also begin testing a digital platform in quarter two that includes a robust royalty program that will incentivize our guests with rewards that are significantly more creative and meaningful than a buy ten, get one free offer.

As we evolve the brand, we’re changing one word in the descriptor of the name, from Mexican Grill to Mexican Eats to better reflect the flavors and variety that we offer. We’re very proud of our distinctive Qdoba name and that will not change.

But you can expect to see the Qdoba Mexican feed, name, and logo in our marketing, as well as on signage at all of our new locations and remodels going forward. In addition to the updated name and logo, in 2015, we began testing various design elements at new company restaurants.

The new building design, fixtures, furnishings, and bold new graphics have generated quite a buzz. You may have seen a [indiscernible] that we use at some of the locations to cook tortillas as well as other experiential elements. And our franchises have been eager to jump in and join us in these tests.

We have also begun testing remodels that feature various components of the redesign. We expect to finalize the restaurant design for both new builds and remodels in quarter two, and then we would expect company and franchise growth to ramp up in 2017.

All of these initiatives are designed to increase sales, traffic, and new unit growth as we drive brand awareness. Through the first seven weeks of the first quarter, we’re pleased to report that both our brands are posting positive same-store sales in what several others in the industry have called a choppy environment.

Quarter-to-date, Qdoba sales were positive including flat transactions at company restaurants even as we’re lapping mid-teens comparisons, with momentum gaining since the launch of Knockout Tacos in week 5.

We’re encouraged by these trends after limited promotional activities during the first four weeks of the quarter as our restaurant teams focused on training and prep for the taco launch. Jack in the Box sales are also positive despite essentially no discounting activity in the first five weeks of the quarter.

Sales have been stronger as we’ve returned to normal levels of promotional activity within the last few weeks.

Over the past few years, we have generated significant value for shareholders by transforming our business model, the refranchising of the Jack in the Box brand, restructuring the company’s G&A, evolving our capital structure, and revitalizing our brand.

Our management team is currently evaluating levers to drive the next chapter of value creation and we intend to share our conclusions at our investor meeting in May, which will be our first in more than four years. To give you a sneak peek, specific areas we’re evaluating include the following.

How we will plan to drive sales for both brands through brand positioning, digital strategies, menu innovations, new prototypes, and remodel.

Opportunities to grow both brands more quickly and the implications this has for both franchise and company growth rates, the optimal level of franchise and company ownership considering our strategies for growth and overall value creation, implications to our structure and resulting G&A targets and development and design of our capital structure and the amount of cash we intend to return to shareholders.

On that note, I’ll turn the call over to Jerry for a more detailed look at the fourth quarter and full year results and our outlook for 2016.

Jerry?.

Jerry Rebel

Thank you, Lenny, and good morning everyone. Before taking a closer look at some of our fourth quarter results, I wanted to take a few minutes to review some highlights for fiscal 2015. Our operating EPS for the year reached $3, an increase of 22% on top of three consecutive years of growth in excess 30%.

System wide same-store sales grew 9.3% at Qdoba and Jack in the Box exceeded the NPD sandwich category by 490 basis points with same-store sales growth of 6.5%. Consolidated restaurant operating margins rose a 190 basis points to 20.4% of sales with margins increasing nicely at both brands.

Franchise margins improved 190 basis points to 51.5% and EBITDA from our revenue stream of approximately $90 million represented over 30% of our consolidated EBITDA.

Given the annuity like cash flows our business model generates we return more than $350 million in cash to shareholders during the year including $317 million in share buybacks while increasing the dividend by 50% in May.

The share buybacks resulted in a 9% reduction in weighted average shares outstanding for year which will continue to contribute to our future EPS growth. We currently have $200 million available and chose November of 2017 for stock repurchases. Let’s take a closer look at the fourth quarter.

Operating EPS grew 15% in Q4, driven by solid same-store sales growth and margin expansion at both brands. The system same-store sales growth of 6.2% in Q4, Jack in the Box outperformed the QSR segment by 350 basis points. These results also exceeded those of each of our major competitors.

Sales were positive across all-day parts, with breakfast, dinner, and late night generating the strongest growth. For Jack in the Box the 4.1% increase in company same-store sales was comprised of mixed benefits of 2.6% and pricing of approximately 2.4%.

Offset impart by a 0.9% decline in transactions as we reduced the level of discounting versus last year. For Qdoba, Q4 same-store sales increased 6.6% system-wide. The 6.1% increase in company same-store sales included a 5.4% increase in the average check which was driven primarily by the new simplified menu pricing structure.

Catering growth of 1% and a decline in transactions of 0.3%. We’ve now had seven consecutive quarters of double-digit growth in catering sales. We plan to grow catering in 2016 with menu enhancements and increased online presence and more in-restaurant messaging to drive guest awareness.

Before I review our guidance for fiscal 2016, let’s talk about our commodity cost outlook for the upcoming year. We currently expect a relatively benign commodity cost environment with inflation of approximately 1% and Jack in the Box and deflation of approximately 3% at Qdoba.

Turning to our Q1 guidance, brand initiatives at Jack in the Box and Qdoba will add some non-repetitive cost to the quarter.

these includes for Qdoba, a general manager conference which was held in early October to align both company and franchise operators on our brand positioning efforts and to prepare for the launch of our Knockout Tacos as well as new uniforms.

For Jack in the Box training and other related costs to launch of a significant number of core menu improvements at Jack in the Box at the beginning of the second quarter. In total, these costs are expected to negatively impact first quarter operating EPS by approximately $0.05 a share.

Here is our current thinking one other key items of our fiscal 2016 guidance. Same-store sales growth of approximately 2% to 4% at Jack in the Box company restaurants on top of 5.1% growth in 2015. Same-store sales growth of approximately 2% to 4% at Qdoba company restaurants on top of 8.3% in 2016.

Restaurant operating margin of approximately 20% to 20.5% which reflects the impact of ACA cost and hire minimum wage rates which we expect to be mitigated by the favorable commodity cost outlook and sales leverage.

We are currently estimating the impact of higher minimum wages including the increase in California’s minimum wage to $10 and our beginning January first to be about 75 basis point on the Jack in the Box brand for the full year or roughly 50 basis points on a consolidated basis SG&A as a percent of revenue of approximately 13% to a 13.5 % compared to 14.4% in fiscal 2015.

The decrease reflects a $5.3 million reduction in pension expense in fiscal 2016. The decrease in pension expense is due primarily to the sunsetting of the plan on December 31, 2015 after which time we will no longer have service cost as part of our going pension expense.

We expect capital expenditures to be in the $100 million to $120 million range the increase from 2015 relates primarily to a greater number of plant openings and remodels for Qdoba and higher IT spending as we implement new technology systems across footprints.

Interest expense is expected to be higher due to increased leverage and an estimated 60 basis points increase in the effective interest rate in 2016. We expect operating earnings per share to range from $3.55 to $3.70 in fiscal 2016 compared to $3 in fiscal 2015.

This includes an estimated benefit of approximately $0.08 per share for the 53 week in fiscal 2016. We plan on providing updated long-term goals at the May investor and analyst meeting. This concludes our prepared remarks, I’d now like to turn the call over to the operator to open it up for questions. Carlos.

Operator

Thank you, sir. [Operator Instructions] Due to time considerations, we ask you to please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up per turn. If you do have additional questions, you may re-queue at that time. Thank you. And our first question will be coming from the line of Brian Bittner, sir your line is now open..

Brian Bittner

Thank you..

Carol DiRaimo

Brain?.

Brian Bittner

I think most investors are probably wondering how comps at Jack in the Box are going to get better after the first quarter as comparisons get tougher. And maybe you can really dive into why that is and get people comfortable with it.

I think clearly it has to do with the menu upgrades that you have starting in the second quarter, but is there anything you can say around that, what you saw in the tests from those that are driving the confidence that you can really accelerate comps in the tougher compares?.

Lenny Comma

Brian we are, this is Lenny, Brian. I think the balance here is how much detail we want to put out in the marketplace at this point in time. Here is what I can tell you, when you look at the cumulative effect of all of the LTOs and new products that we introduced in 2015.

What we’ll do starting Q1 will be significantly more than that all in one [indiscernible] because of the impact to our core burger menu. So a lot’s going on there that we think will be accepted very favorably by the guests, and we anticipate that it’s going to generate the sales.

And if you look at, so the cadence of activity last year, it was just the beginning of quarter two where we really got aggressive with the Super Bowl promotion and starting to see the sales lift, so we see very similar activity this year, but significantly more of it and that is what gives us the confidence that we can not only roll over the sales well, but we can see a high level of guest loyalty based on the research that we did on what these products would do.

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Brian Bittner

Okay and the second question, Jerry on the Jack in the Box commodities, I think last call you said that they would be a little less than 1% and that's was back in August. Now you're saying about 1%, but you have some real major commodities down over 20% since that August call like you beef trimmings and eggs.

So why is the commodity outlook relatively same? Is there some conservatism baked in there or were you already locking back then before a lot of these fell?.

Jerry P. Rebel

Yes, Brian great question, most of our major commodities are locked in for a good portion of the fiscal year, particularly on the Qdoba side, but also on many items on the Jack in the Box side. We are currently tracking a little higher than our initial outlook on items such as produce and pork, but we are trending lower on beef.

What I will say is if the beef prices continue this low, then we would expect our commodity forecast for Jack would be conservative. But we will revisit that on the February call. .

Brian Bittner

Okay, great thank you. .

Operator

Thank you, our next question will be coming from the line of Mr Alex Slagle from Jeffries. Sir, your line is now open. .

Alex Slagle

Thanks, question on the Jack in the Box traffic in the fourth quarter, being impacted by less discounting. Could you remind us the nature of the discounting that took place last year, was it basically the $4.99 spicy chicken club combo or was there something else..

Lenny Comma

Alex just to clarify, you are looking to get fourth quarter comparisons not information on first quarter of this year. .

Alex Slagle

Yeah, just on the discounting difference. .

Lenny Comma

So for Jack in the Box, it is really a $1 drink impact, it is the major deal and then promotionally it was our $4.99 Chipotle chicken combo that we are doing, Chipotle chicken club. So that was the real impact of the quarter, at least promotionally. .

Alex Slagle

Got it and then a clarification on the guidance and what share repurchase is assumed in the earnings guidance for 2016, is it only what’s already being completed or does that also include some level of additional repurchase?.

Lenny Comma

No Alex, it does assume some level of share repurchases in 2016..

Alex Slagle

Okay, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from the line of Mr. David Tarantino. Sir your line is now open..

David Tarantino

Hi, good morning. Lenny, just a clarification on what you’re seeing so far in the first quarter for Jack in the Box, I think, you mention that comps are positive. Are they running inside the range you’ve given? And I think last year you mentioned that comps accelerated pretty meaningfully as the quarter went on.

So I guess how should we frame-up Q1 in the context of the guidance you have given?.

Lenny Comma

The way to look at Q1, first off, our guidance is within the range. So answering that part of the question first.

Secondly, the way to look at the quarter, in simple terms, is that last year at the beginning of the quarter we had some aggressive promotions going on, we had a two for $3.50 breakfast croissant promotion which is probably one of our most successful value oriented things that we do.

We did not do anything this year, so not only we do not have something out there that wasn’t as aggressive, we weren’t out there with anything. And then this year in the second half of the quarter is when we will be out there, and we’ll be out there with breakfast, as well as burger promotions that we think we’ll roll over the last year’s momentum.

So it’s really just a flip-flop of the timing of the promotional activity from one year to the next and that’s how we arrive at the guidance..

David Tarantino

Got it, that’s very helpful.

And then just a question there’s been a lot of buzz in the industry of McDonald’s launching all day breakfast and you’ve had all day breakfast for a long time and I guess, could you offer some perspective on whether that initiative by the competitors are impacting your business in a positive or negative way?.

Lenny Comma

Yes, so let me first make a broad statement, I think, what we see in the industry is a significant amount discounting going on and we think that as having the largest overall impact on the industry. Then when we narrow it down to one of our major competitors doing the breakfast all day, certainly it’s going to impact everybody in the industry.

But what we’ve been able to do is focus on hamburgers and drive sales by really speaking to our own game. And at the same time that we’re doing that we are not seeing that, the breakfast all day launch for McDonald’s is overall killing our business.

We know that there’s going to be some impact there, but the biggest that we see in the first half of the quarter is really related to the fact that we’re rolling over two for $3.50 croissants. So I think when we focus on breakfast discounting, we’re going to get all the traffic we need.

When we lay-off of it and go to burgers we’re going to get the traffic in that area. So as we talk to our franchisees about the impact, essentially there is not a big level of concern out there about McDonald’s competing with us in this way..

David Tarantino

Great, thank you very much..

Operator

Thank you. Your next question will be coming from the line of Mr. Joe Buckley. Sir, your line is now open..

Joe Buckley

Thank you. I wanted to ask a couple of questions on sales as well. Can you talk about the level of pricing, you gave us the fourth quarter pricing level, does that carry through the first quarter when you start lapping price.

And talk a little bit about your decisions on the timing of discounting, because you mentioned a lack of discounting in the fourth quarter or a lack of discounting early even in the first quarter but then plans to sort of pick it up.

So may be just talk about the cadence for that and the plans - what sort of drove that decision?.

Lenny Comma

Joe this is Lenny. I want to talk about timing of the discounting first and I’ll let Carol and Jerry handle the pricing question. So when we look at the timing of discounting and promotional activities in general, it really is just part of the overall activity that we are planning for either the quarter or the year.

We are able to successfully go through last year without having to do a significant amount of discounting. And keep in mind, in fourth quarter although company out traffic was slightly negative, system traffic was positive. So an 82% of our system is franchise.

So from the standpoint of brand health and what we’ve been able to do without the discounting we’re not having a major transaction erosion for this 2015. So I think that sort of handles the 2015 question. When we get to 2016, we’ve had a significant amount of energy going into our quarter two launch. And a lot of our focus has been there.

So we’ve wanted to remain quite in the first part of this quarter to give our teams an opportunity to prepare for all that we’re going to do in quarter two. So we didn’t want to sort of lob a bunch of things on their plate. While at the same time we’re asking to do pretty big job in prepping.

So now that we’ve got a vast majority that work done, we’re able to start doubling down on some of the promotional activity knowing that it’s not going to have a negative impact on our restaurants..

Jerry Rebel

Joe, on the pricing we had 2.4% in Q4, the question is how much of that will carryover. We’re estimating we’ll have something a little lower in the 2.4% pricing in the quarter..

Joe Buckley

Okay and they….

Lenny Comma

Also some pricing from last year..

Joe Buckley

And then just a broader question, what are seeing in the overall QSR sandwich category with McDonald’s up, is there a little bit more growth in the category because McDonald’s is back or is it just market share shifting around?.

Carol DiRaimo

Yes Joe, so unfortunately we can’t disclose the QSR sandwich numbers beyond what our quarter was with our agreement with NPD. I think you’ve heard McDonald’s say that they are outpacing the category but I can’t tell you what the category looks like right now. And the numbers we see always include McDonald’s..

Joe Buckley

Okay, okay. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from the line of Chris OCull, sir your line is now open..

Dave Carlson

This is Dave Carlson and I’m for Chris this morning. Jerry quick question for you on the G&A. Came in at 14.4% of revenue during fiscal 2015, I think, that was about 40 basis points above the guidance you guys provided in the fiscal third quarter report.

Can you talk about what expenses surprised you during the fourth quarter? And I have a follow-up question..

Jerry Rebel

Okay. So I’d say there’s only three components to the fourth quarter G&A percent of sales miss. So one, we did have higher cost related to mark-to-market they’re always a surprise whether they are positive, whether they are negative. That was $1.1 million negative impact to us within the quarter, that would represent about $0.02 a share.

We also had higher pre-opening costs for Qdoba new locations not just those that were opened in the fourth quarter, but also those are opening up during Q1. So those were a little higher than what we had anticipated.

The other thing that I’ll mention is the revenue, total revenue numbers that we had and our models were a little lower due to a couple of things, one, was you noticed that Jack in the Box company same-store sales were very strong and well ahead of were the industry was with below the midpoint of the range that we had guided.

Then also some of the Qdoba new locations opened up later in the quarter as opposed to around the midpoint of the quarter. All of that came to reduce the denominator portion of that calculations, higher expenses, slightly lower revenues, which is what created that.

I think going forward though, with the lower pension expense and with that being a structural and ongoing change to our pension expense where we’re seeing a much lower outlook on our overall G&A cost for 2016..

Dave Carlson

Great, and then you guys talked about the $100 million to $120 million in CapEx plan for fiscal 2016, a little bit higher than we had expected. And I know you talked about IT Qdoba openings for models, et cetera.

Can you give a little bit more detail, can you kind a put some buckets for us, how much are we talking about new store, remodel, investments in support services, et cetera..

Jerry Rebel

Yes, and so we generally don’t give that information. Let me give you some - I’ll give you order of magnitude. And I’ll give you some numbers around number of new stores and every model that we are assuming. So order of magnitude the number of new restaurants and I'm going to take you through the midpoint of the range guidance.

So the Qdoba new stores at the midpoint we are anticipating about ten or so more new company restaurants in 2016 versus 2015, if you look at our guidance of 50 new stores to 60 new stores after them being company. And then we have 25 Qdoba remodels to 30 Qdoba remodels, in the numbers.

And then we have - and then right along with that we have IT, and this is we’ve been talking for a while about normalizing our IT systems between both brands. What you’ll see us spend money on for IT next year is the common POS platform primarily with the Qdoba brand as they are going to go to the same system at the Jack in the Box brand has.

We’ll begin the normalizing with the back office systems in the restaurants with the new back office system across both brands. And then Lenny mentioned the digital strategy for Qdoba launching in 2016. So that is in there too. So a little higher IT spend than what you would normally expect us to have for those reasons..

Dave Carlson

That’s great.

And just to clarify on the 25 Qdoba remodels to 30 Qdoba remodels and also the new units as well, I would assume that those would all come fiscal third quarter and later after you guys have completed the analysis, I think, you said it in fiscal second quarter you guys would have figured out exactly which design you want to go with and then ramp development..

Lenny Comma

No, I would say the new stores and the remodels are ongoing now..

Dave Carlson

Okay..

Lenny Comma

We did have some remodels in 2015 that we are analyzing what those elements are which ones work, which ones don’t work. And then we are working on the value engineering part of that. And also the restaurant that we opened late in 2015 has that same kind of features associated with the new prototype so….

Dave Carlson

Perfect, thank you..

Lenny Comma

Yes, you will see that throughout the year not just third and fourth quarter..

Dave Carlson

Thank you, guys..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from the line of Mr. Jeffrey Bernstein. Sir, your line is now open..

Jeffrey Bernstein

Great, thank you very much. Two questions, just one on the Qdoba side for looking at fiscal 2016, you are talking about I guess a 2% to 4% comp I know your prior long-term guidance was more on mid single-digits.

I’m just wondering if you could talk about, why Qdoba might be running below and I’m guessing that’s going to tie in, if you can give some color in terms of how you think about the lapping of that simplified menu pricing structure, how we should think about the cadence of the components of the comp as we look through 2016 being that was such a big initiative, you guys implemented in 2015.

And I had one follow-up?.

Jerry Rebel

Yes, so I think the simple answer is, we’re guiding 2% to 4% this year as compared to guidance of 6% to 8% last year. But we actually, we’re 8.3% last year. So some of the guidance is really just reflective of the roll over and I think that’s probably the meat of it there.

You would ask sort of a sub part to that question how we should think about something, I didn’t catch it. So I just want to make sure I answered everything you wanted in that first part..

Jeffrey Bernstein

Yes, just because fiscal 2015 was such a big year for the Qdoba brand in terms of the simplified menu pricing structure no nickeling-and-diming kind of thing, I’m just wondering how we should think about the components of the comp in 2016 as you know lap what was obviously very high average check component in 2015, how we should, how we should think about that for full year fiscal 2016..

Lenny Comma

Got it. So at the end of the day we’re looking to generate traffic this year. And it’s going to be through new products, that we’ve actually just started launching and we’ll launch throughout the rest of the year also catering it’s a big component for us.

So and then enhanced communication so lot of things that we’re testing now and then also the digital strategy that will be able to utilize later. But those are the major drivers, but it really is focused primarily on traffic building..

Jeffrey Bernstein

Got it, and then just on the restaurant margin in 2016, Jerry I think you said, 20% to 20.5% which you kind of sell right in the middle of that for fiscal 2015.

So I’m just wondering if you could talk about the puts and takes, I think your prior long-term guidance was for 20% flat so you’re already kind of running a little bit ahead of that maybe that’s something we’ll hear more about the Analyst Day but whether or not you could talk specifically about the puts and takes in fiscal 2016 or how the fiscal 2016 guidance related to the long-term and I think you kind of give some color on pricing and sounds like commodities going to be benign but labors up I'm just - how we should think about fiscal 2016 relative to the long-term guidance?.

Jerry Rebel

Yes, so I think what we had on the long-term guidance previously with 19 to 20. So we've blown pass that. You can definitely expect us to update that with the long-term guidance in the May meeting.

The 2016, those specifically to 2016 we have - in the total between minimum wage and the Affordable Care Act we have at least 75 basis points of impact to margins for the year and that on a consolidated basis. And that is mitigating the benign commodity outlook as well as any sales leverage that we would get from the 2% to 4% sales guidance.

As I mentioned on one of the questions earlier, if there’s any conservatism in the number it would be related to what beef cost turn out to be versus what we currently have them expected at. So if beef cost continue to be where they are now we would expect lower food and packaging cost. But will again we’ll update that at the - on the February call..

Jeffrey Bernstein

Great, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from the line of Mr. Bittner. Sir, your line is now open..

Brian Bittner

Thank you.

let me - you mentioned that 2016 digital launch for Qdoba, could you talk a little bit more about what that means, what you’re envisioning? What kind of features you think will be part of that? And similarly as we think about Jack in the Box, kind of similar update the strategy there because we've seen some big announcements and updates from much of the rest of the quick service industry.

So just a little more detail on digital strategies for both brands. Thanks..

Lenny Comma

Yes, so I think both brands have been using the strategic plan and the research that we conducted to figure out the go-forward. So the strategy and cadence and I would say that the Qdoba brand is more ready to launch a digital platform than the Jack in the Box brand at this point.

So if you think about the comparison between the two brands the Jack in the Box brand is focusing on getting its core menu items right. So the last thing we’d want to do is to launch a digital platform that’s inviting guests to come in and eat food that the consumers told us we needed to improve. So we need to get the timing of this right.

So which you are going to see Frances and teams do is make the improvements to the food first which will be the focus this year. And then they will be able to come on the heels of Qdoba’s work and really get into the digital platform area.

And for us more broadly and this kind a get to the Qdoba question but it also answers and sort of foreshadows what you can expect from Jack in the Box on digital front too. We don’t want the digital program to simply be a way to communicate discount to consumers because they purchase food.

We want to be able to segment the consumers based on their specific behavior and then give them the types of offerings that they would actually want.

So you’ve seen things like this in the industry but for example there are folks out there who would be more turned on by an opportunity to gift something to a friend then they would receive the benefits themselves through a loyalty program that they have, which they consider just be a way of managing the relationship that they have with the company.

So we want to make sure that those folks that are the biggest advocates are rewarded in ways that they are actually going to find valuable. We don’t want to give too much away but those price have distinctions will be made in the program, so that as we segment those guests, we’re treating them appropriately.

Today our program is really one side fits all. It’s a buy a bunch of stuff and get something free program. And so those aren’t going to be the most beneficial programs going forward, we’re going to need a lot more data and to be smarter about the way we do that. That’s what this platform enables us to do..

Brian Bittner

Just as a follow-up to that then. Thinking about Qdoba aside from loyalty mobile order and pay is an option here is the POS and other back in the house system in place.

Could this be part of this program? It seems like that brand is very nicely positioned to hit that right now and that the customers respond very favorably and maybe even you can get there ahead of some competition how does mobile order and pay fit in keeping loyalty maybe out of the equation for a second?.

Lenny Comma

I think one way to look at this from an IT perspective all of these things do actually need to tie together, so the way you can think about this is that as we’re designing, testing and then rolling out this platform, it will actually be inclusive of all the things that you mentioned.

What we can’t tell you is the sequence in which we will activate each of those things because a lot of that’s going to be depend on what we’ve learned in the testing base..

Brian Bittner

Okay, thank you..

Lenny Comma

You got it..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from the line of Mr. Jeff Farmer. Sir, you line is now open..

Jeff Farmer

Thank you, so just following up on an earlier menu pricing question, some of your peers have been taking at least a modestly more conservative view on their pricing opportunities heading out to calendar 2016.

With that said what is your view on menu pricing power for both of these concepts both at Jack and Qdoba as we get into 2016 especially in sort of this increasingly dynamic environment out there on the competitive front?.

Lenny Comma

So this is Lenny, Jeff. Let me first say, one of the things that we pay attention to even before looking at the industry is the comparison of food at home and food away from home. So we want to make sure that we don’t move faster than the pace that potentially supermarkets are moving.

Because that is the thing that really negatively impacts us immediately. So that is one of the things that we sort of start with the foundation of pricing decisions.

Then we go into the marketplace to see based on competitive activity how much can the market bear and we are going to be very cautious going into 2016 with the level of discounting that’s hitting the entire industry. There isn’t one segment of the restaurant industry that isn’t heavily discounting at this time.

So we’ll be cautious but at the same time, one of the things that we bank on is that the improvements in our food will give us some pricing power. So I think which you can see is, what you can expect is that we’ll strategically take price where we know the consumer appreciates the quality of the food and will allow us to take that price..

Jeff Farmer

That’s helpful.

And just one more again a lot of question today about Jack same-store sales in FY16 some of the components but I’ll just look at what happened in 2015 mix was a nice contribution, I think it was close to 2% some obvious reasons for that but as you look forward to 2016, I mean, is there circumstance in terms of new product which you’ve talked about a little bit earlier on the call.

Is there a new product or collection of new products that you think will allow you to hold on to something close to 2% mix at Jack in 2016?.

Lenny Comma

Well, we don’t really forecast that. But here is what I can say, last year if you look at what drove the mix it was consumers attraction to the quality of the items that we put out there. But also happen to be premium items and we did have much higher price on those items.

So if I look at our intentions this year and where we put in a lot of time so the arsenal is really very much the same. Its improvements across high quality - improvements across the menu that should give us an opportunity to look at generating mix the same way but not something we necessarily can forecast for you at this time..

Jeff Farmer

All right. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from the line of Mr. Bob Derrington. Sir, your line is now open..

Bob Derrington

Yes, thank you. Lenny, 12 months ago you provided us with a little bit of color on the long-term expectations for development particularly for Qdoba. And in that long-term growth this year’s development certainly appears to be at a lower level for new stores.

I'm just wondering given the dramatic, what seems like a dramatic remodel of the Qdoba business? Is that one of things that came into play and slowing down the development? And then I've got a follow-up on that..

Jerry Rebel

So, let me just kind of broadly answer your question and see if I given you enough detail and if not, just checking with me.

But the thing that’s really happening, first off, from a capital perspective, we have enough capital to build more restaurants than we’re currently scheduled to build and to do the remodel tests and to do new image related testing.

So any impact to the guidance on the spend there is really just associated with what we think is the right thing to do right now. And we think the right thing to do is to move at a pace that allows our franchisees to participate in the testing.

We need them to have hammer and nails in hand and test out how these things come to fruition because if they’re going to believe in this going forward and if they’re going to feel confident in the returns that would be generated, what we found is that their participation is crucial.

So, the pace of change is really just being managed to bring everybody along. And then when you look at, it will be Q2 before we have done enough of these to really start to read some results and then go back in and make tweaks. So we just don’t want to get too far ahead of it.

But as I mentioned in my prepared comments, we do - we would expect in 2017 that since those decisions would be finalized that we would be able to ramp up the growth at that time..

Bob Derrington

Okay.

And then follow-up just curious on Jack in the Box, will Jack ever speak again?.

Lenny Comma

It’s a really good question. So he may.

And so let me say that - and I mentioned this either in a prior call or conference that we - where we spoke publicly, the tone of the Jack in the Box advertising is changing and it’s the way to think about it is we spend a lot of time in our ads kind of having this punch line and the big joke and that brought a lot of attention to the brand, but if sometimes outweighed the focus on the product and it didn’t necessarily get the consumer - focused on and what it was we’re offering.

Certainly, we don’t want to be in a position where at the end of an ad, they can remember the joke, but they can’t remember the product.

So we’ve changed the tone of the Jack advertising to be more focused on the quality of the product, still to be fun loving and interesting, but not necessarily as sarcastic and so one of the ways that we’re making that transition is just toning down the use of Jack’s voice right now. And then over time, we’ll continue to evolve the campaign.

And if we need to bring back the voice, we can bring it back, but we’re going to see the consumers’ reaction of what we’re doing and that will tell us what the next steps are..

Bob Derrington

Got you, terrific. Thank you..

Lenny Comma

Got it..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from the line of Mr. Matthew DiFrisco. Sir, your line is now open..

Matthew DiFrisco

Thank you. I've got just two questions. One question with respect to the guidance. I'm just trying to look at the cadence of 2016 taking into account the accelerating same-store sales in the back half implied. The mentioning of testing advertising for Qdoba and as well as returning to a little bit more promotional activity for Jack.

I'm wondering I guess we should conclude them at a side from the extra operating week in the fourth quarter but just the operating earnings on a comparable basis also seem to be more back-end weighted in the first half of the year would imply a deceleration of the EPS growth on what we just saw on the fourth quarter..

Carol DiRaimo

I think I’ll answer that one Matt. So I think Jerry gave the factors that we believe would impact our Q1 guidance. But in terms of EPS by quarter we are not going to give that level of detail at this point..

Matthew DiFrisco

Okay, and I guess what would be unknown part is the G&A savings in the cadence of that. How fast is that flow through, is that balanced or is that somewhat more skewed in the first half that could offset some of the other headwinds that obviously are going to weigh on the first half of the year..

Jerry Rebel

Okay, I understand the - so the G&A savings are going to be throughout the year..

Matthew DiFrisco

Okay, so balanced. Okay, and then….

Jerry Rebel

It’s spreads pretty evenly..

Matthew DiFrisco

Okay. And then just I guess on previous calls, there’s been a lot of mention about the two brands and one is a growth brand - one seems to be migrating more towards franchising in a cash flow brand and your response has been sort of they co-exist well together and you felt like the market was giving you the evaluation for both of the brands.

At the current levels are you trading at a discount to your fast-food peers as well as your quick casual peers? I was curious has that stance changed is that something that possibly we could see an update on as well as far as perhaps entertaining some greater value creation from the separation of the brands?.

Lenny Comma

Yes, I think the way to think about that is, that we’ll have an opportunity at our Investor Day in May. To spend a lot of time addressing all the types of interest that our shareholders have and that’s probably the best time to have that conversation..

Matthew DiFrisco

Okay..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question will be coming from the line of Mr. Nick Setyan. Sir your line is now open..

Nick Setyan

Hi, so just a question on Knockout Tacos, and looking forward to the other stuff you guys said are coming up, if it is bigger than Knockout Tacos.

Are you guys seeing an acceleration in transactions in the quarter as you guys have I guess rolled out those tacos?.

Lenny Comma

So keep in mind, we've only been at for two weeks but yes we do see an acceleration and that I think about the tacos is, it is completely different than the items we currently sell on the menu.

The goal is that those give our loyal burrito customers one more reason to come back and that customers that aren’t currently with us that we’re looking for something different now have a differentiated offering.

And I can tell you that the tacos, if you read anything that’s in social media on Knockout Tacos, people absolutely love the flavors that are being presented in these tacos it is a pretty insane product. And it’s got I mentioned some of the flavors.

But this isn’t a typical taco and we’ve got bacon in some of the tacos and obviously various cheeses and what have you. So people are people really enjoying that. And we would, we would really think look forward to any kind of product development, creating this type of buzz.

We don’t for this brand that’s going to focus on flavor want to put out things that don’t really have sort of this ingredient lineup and flavor profile that people would want to rave about..

Nick Setyan

Got it, so we are seeing an acceleration in transactions and it’s also got a 999 price point. I guess, in the markets that I’ve looked at. So it sounds like it could also potentially be an average check driver, comping over some of those big mix numbers that we saw in the first half of last year.

So are we going to be able to keep the mix flattish or should we still think about maybe positive transactions and negative mix..

Jerry Rebel

So first just a clarification the retail that you see out there is a three for $9 price point and then if there are ala carte they are little bit over $3 each right about $3.50. So that’s, that’s how you should look at the retail.

As far as an opportunity to increase average check that really does come down to whether or not this is incremental, right. If we’re drawing in additional visits new consumers and we’re not getting traded away from to burritos then this could be nice trade up and could possibly impact the average check.

But I think with a couple weeks under our belt it’s too soon to tell but that’s obviously the goal..

Nick Setyan

Okay.

And I just got one on just on Qdoba, on the you newer stores, are we entering any new markets this year? How many remodels are we thinking about doing this year? How are AUVs on new stores trending? Any color on the new units and the strategy there?.

Lenny Comma

So keep in mind we’re going to host the May meeting in Kansas City because that is a new market that we’ve entered into which means this is going to have the new design elements and that’s what we’d like you to see because it will be reflective of also what you’d see in remodel.

So, yes we’re entering into some new markets, there are 25 to 30 remodels you can expect this year, so we’ll get a good read on impact and then also be able to start predicting the phase of that change going forward..

Nick Setyan

Thank you..

Carol DiRaimo

Operator, I think we have time for one more question..

Operator

Certainly, ma'am. Our last question will be coming from line of Joe Buckley. Sir, your line is open..

Joe Buckley

Thank you, I just wanted to go back to the pension expense and what that is likely to look like after fiscal 2016, does that ratchet down again in 2017, and what would be your expectations beyond this year?.

Lenny Comma

Yes. So, Joe, let me just tell you that this year we’re seeing - in 2016, we’ll have three months worth of service cost in our pension, and then after January of 2016, we’ll no longer be accruing any service related cost to that.

So in 2017 and forward you wouldn’t have any service cost to the entire year, so everything else being equal, you would expect lower pension cost in 2017 and forward versus what you’re seeing in 2016.

The other thing that I will mention is, with the sunset of the pension plan, the volatility should be lower in 2017 and forward than what we’ve currently seen as we would expect a significantly lower impact from a discount rate change than what we have in the past again related to the sunsetting of the plan and there not being any service related cost in there, so does that answer your question?.

Joe Buckley

Can you quantify the service cost this year, Jerry?.

Jerry Rebel

Well, the $5.2 million number at lower pension expense is due entirely to the service cost, we actually had some increase in pension related to mortality tables and things such as that.

So but if you just, if you looked at this and you say we’re generating about $5.2 million over nine months, you might expect a pro rata lower number for the three months in fiscal 2017, so in the $1.7 million range, but don’t hold me to that it’s just an estimate at this point, but you’ll see it lower..

Joe Buckley

It's very helpful. Thank you..

Carol DiRaimo

I think that's all the time we have for today, so we look forward to seeing you at a couple of upcoming conferences and our May Analyst Day, look for details to come out on that and we’ll see you in December..

Operator

Thank you. And that concludes today’s conference call. Thank you all for participating. You may now disconnect..

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