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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2024 - Q2
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Operator

Welcome to the Second Quarter 2024 ICF Earnings Conference Call. My name is Steven, and I will be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. Afterwards, you will be invited to participate in the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions].

I will now turn the call over to David Gold of Advisory Partners. David, you may begin..

David Gold

Thank you, Steven. Good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us to review ICF's second quarter 2024 performance. With us today from ICF are John Wasson, Chair and CEO; Barry Broadus, CFO. Joining them is James Morgan, Chief Operating Officer.

During this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements to assist you in understanding ICF management's expectations about our future performance.

These statements are subject to a number of risks that could cause actual events and results to differ materially, and I refer you to our August 1, 2024 press release and our SEC filings for discussions of those risks. In addition, our statements during this call are based on our views as of today.

We anticipate that future developments will cause our views to change. Please consider the information presented in that light. We may, at some point, elect to update the forward-looking statements made today, but specifically disclaim any obligation to do so.

I'll now turn the call over to ICF's CEO, John Wasson, to discuss second quarter 2024 performance.

John?.

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

public health and IT modernization. In public health, we expanded our support for CDC's BioSense program in the second quarter, and we'll begin developing additional functionality to include hospital admission data and hospital discharge and transfer data to the platform.

As you may recall, BioSense was front and center during the pandemic as it tracks data for more than 75% of hospital emergency room visits nationwide, providing CDC and public health officials with insights into factors impacting the health of Americans at both the national and local level and we won our $237 million re-compete contract with the US Agency for International Development Bureau for Global Health to continue to deliver the Demographic and Health Surveys Program.

ICF has long-standing relationships at six key agencies within the Department of Health and Human Services and we have deep subject matter expertise in areas that have bipartisan support, including cancer research, mental health, diabetes prevention, overdose prevention and education on the impact of prescription opioids.

IT modernization also remains a bipartisan priority, and ICF is now a recognized leader in the most widely used low-code, no code and open source platforms in the federal government. The US federal IT services market is growing at a CAGR of 8.5% and is expected to reach $95 billion by 2027.

And ICS' targeted areas, consulting and application services are growing at CAGRs of 14% and 9%, respectively.

We had two important contract wins in the second quarter at the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services and are seeing increased traction on opportunities where we'll be able to combine our technology and domain expertise, particularly when the scope includes a data or AI focus.

We recently completed work with a federal agency client to leverage Gen AI solutions for regulatory development support and public comment analysis. This was a very exciting project for our teams as within three months from inception to delivery, we proved the viability of using Gen AI to produce faster insights into numerous regulatory comments.

Also FEMA awarded us a new $17 million contract to build a cloud-based data exchange platform to improve the efficiency and cost-effectiveness of their disaster recovery and response efforts.

We will leverage our leading disaster management expertise, along with cloud computing, generative AI and other forms of AI and advanced analytic capabilities in an excellent example of how ICF's multi-disciplinary approach is winning new business.

On the topic of new business, as I mentioned earlier, this was a record second quarter for us in terms of contract awards, which reached $810 million representing a book-to-bill ratio of 1.8 for the quarter.

New business wins accounted for approximately 55% of our first half awards, demonstrating how well ICS's capabilities are aligned with client spending priorities.

Additionally, an increased percentage of the value of our year-to-date awards represented contracts that had -- that included an AI component, a good indication of our recognized expertise in this high-demand area. In summary, this is a very strong quarter for ICF in terms of execution, profitability and metrics that set us up for future growth.

I'll now turn over the call to our CFO, Barry Broadus, for our financial review.

Barry?.

Barry Broadus EVice President & Chief Financial Officer

We are reducing our guidance for depreciation and amortization expense, interest expense and CapEx. Our depreciation and amortization guidance has been reduced and is now expected to range from 22 million to 24 million. Guidance for our interest expense has been lowered and we now expect to range from 30 million to 32 million.

Our capital expenditures are anticipated between 22 million and 25 million. We are maintaining our guidance for all other metrics. As a reminder, amortization of intangible guidance will remain at approximately 32 million to 33 million. Our full year tax rate expectations remain at approximately 23.5%.

We continue to expect a fully diluted weighted average share count of approximately 19 million shares and we continue to expect the full year operating cash flow of 155 million. And with that, I'll turn the call back over to John for his closing remarks..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Barry. Our first half results have put us on track to achieve our full year revenue guidance for 2024 and have enabled us to substantially increase our EPS and EBITDA guidance.

We're pleased to increase our guidance for GAAP EPS to $5.60 to $5.90 and for non-GAAP EPS to $6.95 to $7.25, up $0.35 from prior guidance and representing year-on-year growth of 32.2% and 9.2%, respectively, at the midpoint.

Adjusted EBITDA is now expected to range between 225 million and 235 million up from our prior guidance of 220 million to 230 million.

Further, we're also very pleased to note that reaching the midpoint of our increased EBITDA guidance range will result in ICF achieving the 3-year EBITDA objective we provided in our 2022 Investor Day, adjusted for the 2023 divestitures. And we expect to accomplish this with substantially fewer acquisitions than originally contemplated.

A growing multiyear backlog and our record business development pipeline of $10.5 billion at the end of the second quarter support our expectations for continued strong growth in 2024 and give us confidence in ICF's ability to continue to grow at a high single-digit rate over the next several years.

We are experiencing strong demand from commercial clients for our energy and environment expertise and implementation skills.

We have excellent credentials to assist state and local government clients to meet their planning, resilience and mitigation objectives and have expanded our capabilities in areas in the federal government that have bipartisan support particularly IT modernization which remains an area of priority spending.

And we have the secret sauce the passion and commitment of our people which supports our confidence in ICF's future success. With that, operator, I would like to open the call for questions..

Operator

Thank you. At this time we will conduct the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Joseph Vafi of Canaccord Genuity. Your line is now open. ..

Joseph Vafi

Hi, guys. Good afternoon and nice to see the EPS revision higher. So congrats on that. I just thought we'd just maybe just drill down first and maybe the federal business. I know in your commentary John you were talking about some of the health sector being a bit weaker and for right now.

Just wondering how you're expecting to see maybe some of those -- some of that health business over the next year or so in terms of what you're seeing in terms of your bids submitted and stuff that's in the pipeline. And then if you could compare and contrast that to maybe some of your other areas.

I would imagine IT modernization is doing pretty well. And so it'd be useful to get a flavor of maybe how they're doing relative to some of your other parts of the federal business.

And then I have a follow-up?.

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Sure. No. Well, thanks for the question, Joe. I'll start at the highest level I think if you look at the forward-focus metrics our sales are trailing 12-month book-to-bill ratio, the pipeline, those were obviously very strong in the quarter and have been very strong for this year.

Certainly, the federal component of that pipeline and those sales has been very strong. I think Barry mentioned some of the specifics on the federal market. And so when we look at those results, they give us confidence that we'll see strong growth in federal over the next year and beyond.

We continue to see significant proposal activity and significant opportunities in the federal arena. We continue to see awards occurring. And so I wouldn't say we've seen any change there.

And obviously, as you know the two key growth drivers there are public health and IT modernization and the proposal, the wins and the book-to-bill are strong and we were obviously strong in the quarter.

With that said, I think in the quarter and I think we talked about this last quarter, I think we're -- our federal business, I mean I'll just review the numbers again. Our federal business was essentially flat for the quarter.

And I think that -- and as we said I think a big part of that was pass-throughs in the federal arena were down materially year-on-year, 9.1 million. But if you look at our revenue, if you look at our total revenue less the pass-throughs, the growth was about 5%.

And so total revenue, less pass-throughs, that's subcontractors and direct costs, is the work done by ICF. And so on that metric, we're at mid-single-digit growth for Q2.

And I think for the first quarter -- and for the first half of the year, there's a few things that are specifically impacting our federal business here, certainly in the first half of the year. I think it will continue into the second half of the year. But I don't think they're long-term issues. These are contract-specific issues.

We've been -- the ramp-up of work under a recompete contract we won this quarter, one of the largest contracts, our large USAID Demographic health survey, we're rolling off our -- the prior contract. We've won the recompete for the new contract.

There's always a couple of quarters when we make a transition with that contract where pass-throughs and the work slows down a bit. So we're seeing that. We have another contract with USAID that ended at the end of the year where we've been awaiting award on that. We thought we'd have it in the first half of the year.

It looks like we're not going to have a -- will have a decision on it until Q3. So that's impacting us. And then we also have talked about we're rolling off some small business contracts from our acquisitions on the IT modernization front in 2022, again, which we anticipated it and were part of our guidance and explanation when we did those deals.

And so those three issues are really what's impacting our federal business here for a few quarters. I think as we look at the longer term and look down the road, given the opportunity, given the wins, given the book-to-bill, given the sales, we feel -- I'm quite confident.

And to your point, I think we're -- certainly the IT modernization, we continue to see significant opportunity. As you know, that's been a bipartisan decision across -- for some time. I think that remains a bipartisan decision.

It's one of the few things that the Trump administration put a real emphasis on, and the Biden administration has continued it. And so I think, certainly, that will continue to be a significant source of growth for us as we look forward..

Joseph Vafi

Great. Thanks for all that extra color, John. That's helpful. And then I guess, just on that IT modernization front, again, I just -- I did see you win a pretty large contract recently with DoD in IT modernization. I was wondering if you could kind of drill down into that a little bit.

And if there is any kind of appetite to continue to try to grow the DoD business and IT modernization given the massive size of the budgets that there are over there. Thanks a lot guys..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Sure. No. So I think we did just recently announce that we've won a large DoD data applications and data services modernization BPA, a $1.4 billion BPA if they want to kind of award winners to support DoD on IT modernization, specifically with an HR and Gen AI analytics focus.

And so certainly, we have significant HR, human capital, capabilities that we'll look to marry with our IT modernization capabilities. And so we're excited about this. I think there's opportunity for us down the road. We expect that the task orders will start to flow later this year. And I think there was -- I think was it 10 winners.

10 companies won a position on this BPA. And so I think there'll be opportunity for us there. And I think it's certainly right and we'll look to grow the business as we look forward..

Joseph Vafi

Great. All right. Thanks very much, john.

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tim Mulrooney of William and Blair. Please go ahead..

Tim Mulrooney

Yes Good afternoon. Nice quarter, guys..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you..

Tim Mulrooney

I think this question is probably for Barry.

Can you just give a little more detail on the primary factors behind the EPS guidance raise on a consolidated basis? Is this primarily due to a higher profitability outlook? Or is it also related to higher top line expectations relative to your prior expectations?.

Barry Broadus EVice President & Chief Financial Officer

Hey, Tim, thanks for the question. Yes, if you look at the guidance increase on the EPS and adjusted EBITDA, that really has to do with the mix that we have. We talked about that during the remarks, especially in our commercial energy marketplace and the mix, not just from a standpoint of margins, which are significant in that market sector.

It's the cost mix as well. So we're more reliant on our direct labor versus subcontractor and so that's boosting. So we can keep our revenues. The guidance on that hasn't changed.

But because of the higher margin profile of that business and the throughput of that, we're able to increase the guidance for EPS and -- both on a GAAP and non-GAAP basis and our adjusted EBITDA..

Tim Mulrooney

Okay. That's helpful. So no change there. Still about a 10% increase in revenue on the top line, more of a mix. Okay. That's helpful. The other question I had, maybe for -- well, for anyone really. I know it's early, but I'm getting this question a lot.

I think most investors are curious how you all think about the Supreme Court's recent overturning of Chevron and how that might or might not have an impact on your business..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. Well, thanks for the question, Tim. I think -- well, I would say the punchline for us is that overall, given the Chevron decision and related Supreme Court decisions on the regulatory front, we don't really see any significant or material impact to our business from that decision.

And honestly, if I think, if anything, it has the potential to create new opportunity, a new business potential for us just because given that decision, the regulatory agencies, when they do their rulemaking, so they're going to have to do much more detailed and fact-intensive work. And as they do that, I think they'll need support with that.

And so I think our regulatory support practice is actually -- I think there was a view that there could be more work for us on that front.

I would say, just to put the context here, only about 1% to 2% of our total revenues are what I would consider regulatory-related work, either doing regulatory support or implementing helping -- implementing programs or doing implementation to comply with regulations. It's really a small percentage of our work.

We really -- and we only do that work really at EPA and FDA and I think on -- and DOT. And so it's about 1% to 2% of our revenue, but it's -- of that 1% to 2%, less than half of it is what I would consider regulatory or regulatory analysis or regulatory implementation. So it's not material.

And ultimately, I think it's -- it will -- it has as much likelihood to create opportunity for us as having an adverse impact, but any impact will not be material to our business and to our results..

Tim Mulrooney

Okay. I appreciate you framing that for me, John. Again, congrats on a nice quarter, and we'll talk to you all soon..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Okay, take care. Thanks, Tim..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Kevin Steinke of Barrington Research Associates. Your line is now open..

Kevin Steinke

Yes. Good afternoon. Thank you. So, in circling back there on the increase to the profitability guidance metrics, you talked there about favorable utilization metrics. And in response to one of Tim's questions, you talked more about more use of your own labor versus subcontractors on some of the commercial energy efficiency side.

Is that just the sole driver of the better utilization metrics? Or is it kind of more across the board for your entire company, just better utilization of consultants, I guess?.

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Barry? Go ahead..

Barry Broadus EVice President & Chief Financial Officer

Yes, thanks for the question, Kevin. Yes. So with that particular services that we provide in the commercial energy business, that is more related to our staff as well as the contract. Not just the mix of cost, but also it's more fixed-price work than some of our other clients, especially like in the government clients.

So that enables us to manage the cost and improve margins. So not only is the type of work that we're doing more conducive to having more direct labor, less contracts -- subcontractors, but also the type of contracts that we deploy also help with being able to manage the higher margins.

In addition, on the profit increases, one thing I would like to mention is that, as I noted in my remarks, we are lowering our interest expense guidance as well as our depreciation and amortization expense guidance. And so that's also helping boost our EPS as we go through the rest of the year..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Okay. I think Barry did a nice job of summarizing. I mean I do -- I mean historically and for a long time, I mean, our energy business, our commercial energy business is just -- ultimately, it's more profitable than our government business. So in fact, that's growing more rapidly.

And then as Barry said, who knows, there's not as many pass-throughs to other firms that those are both driving the margin up, Kevin..

Kevin Steinke

Okay. Great. And obviously, commercial energy has been a nicely growing business for the last few years. But there always seems to be an acceleration going on here the last couple of quarters in terms of the growth.

I don't know if there are any specific catalysts or trends in the utility market that is driving faster growth that you want to highlight and what seems to be kind of an acceleration in growth going on there..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I guess what I'd say, Kevin, is I mean I would say that energy markets in the United States right now are undergoing a once-in-a-century transformation right now. I mean just we're seeing -- and it's multipronged. I mean we're seeing a significant reduction in the cost of carbon-free energy due to technology innovation.

And in that arena, we're seeing state-level regulatory activities around renewable portfolio standards and climate planning and mandating energy efficiency programs that's helping to drive this. We're seeing the electrification of transportation with EVs and buildings driving change.

We're seeing -- I mean, I'm sure you've been reading, I mean the rapid rise in the load from data centers supporting AI, it's just unprecedented. Then you have the public commitments on -- from both citizens and corporations around carbon neutrality, including the hyperscalers, the Googles and the Metas and the Amazons.

And so there's just -- that's going to create a lot of -- that's creating a lot of demand given what's going on with data centers. And so I think it's a unique time in the energy industry.

I think the challenges around how we're going to meet electric demand and we're going to address and make progress on clean energy and reducing carbon footprints, it's just -- there's just tremendous opportunity there. And I think as I said in my remarks, we've been in these businesses for 30 or 40 years, and we can look at it from every angle.

We can look at it from the energy, from the environmental, from the health, from the technology, from the regulatory. So I mean, it's just a long-winded way, I think it's a unique time, and it is accelerating. It is accelerating.

And I think that's what's giving us confidence that we're going to see strong double-digit growth here for some time when there's just tremendous opportunity..

Kevin Steinke

No, that's great. That's really helpful color. Lastly, I just wanted to ask about one of the comments you made about an increasing percentage of the value of your year-to-date contract awards, including an AI component and your expertise there.

Maybe if you can kind of elaborate on the AI component of the awards you're seeing and how you can apply your expertise to those contracts?.

JohnWasson

Yes. Sure. So I think -- I mean, I would say, certainly, in our federal business, we're seeing increased interest and new business opportunities on the AI front and from our federal clients. And I think we're well positioned to benefit that.

And honestly, I think we're finding that our programmatic clients, who are carrying out their missions are increasingly interested in how they can leverage AI to achieve their goals and achieve their missions.

And that -- and as part of that, I think what we -- given that we have both domain experts working with those clients and those programmatic folks as they carry out the work plus we have a deep technology bench who can bring the technology capability around AI, we're finding that with many of these opportunities, we need to have both sides of the house.

We need to have the domain people and the technology people working side by side with our clients on AI to really maximize the benefit and figure out the most innovative solution. And so a lot of these opportunities are coming from the federal agencies and the programmatic people.

So the energy policy people or the public health experts, the epidemiologists, the toxicologists or the public health experts, who are talking to our domain people want to figure out how to leverage AI. And then we can bring in our technology people to bear on it. And I think that's something we can do particularly well.

And so we have a tiger team of AI experts in corporate that can work with our domain people to take advantage of these opportunities quickly. And I think there are several buckets that we're looking at where we think they have the potential.

The use cases could potentially be material to our business, I mean, grants management and training and technical assistance, research and evaluation on the commercial side perhaps rebate processing. Anyway, we're looking at a set of use cases that we think we're particularly relevant but we're seeing a lot of interest.

Obviously, we also have 1,800 people who are doing IT modernization work and the key platforms we're working with, ServiceNow, Salesforce, Appian are all building AI capabilities into their platforms. And so our technologists are supporting clients on that. And obviously, we're using it to improve the productivity of our technologists.

We're also finding that we -- AI can help us create content for our marketing activities for clients. And so yes, a number of quite a different and a wide array of things we're looking at, as I said, I think kind of both trying to leverage our domain expertise and our technology expertise.

And I think it's also -- we're really trying to figure out what are the use cases that could be most impactful for our clients and impactful for our business..

Kevin Steinke

Okay, that's great. I appreciate all the insight. I will turn it back over. Thanks..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Marc Riddick of Sidoti. Your line is now open..

Marc Riddick

Good afternoon. So I wanted to touch a little bit on the -- one of the comments in the prepared remarks and the press release talked about the disaster recovery client market and the growth that you're expecting in the second half of the year. So I wonder if you could talk a little bit about maybe -- we've certainly seen some of the announcements.

But maybe you can talk a little bit about what you've seen open up on the disaster recovery front and sort of what's driving that..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. I think that on the disaster recovery front, I mean, obviously, as you know, we've talked about over the last several years, I mean, we'll continue to be quite active in Puerto Rico. We have -- we just announced a recompete contract there to support FEMA-related disaster recovery.

We also are still quite engaged and quite busy on the housing side in Puerto Rico continue to win follow-on work. And we have several new contract opportunities in the pipeline we're waiting word on. And so I think we're still -- they are a significant client. There's material opportunity in front of us there.

We're still very busy in Texas supporting Texas disaster recovery particularly around mitigation-related work. And there continues to be a significant long-term opportunity for us in Texas.

Including potentially in both Puerto Rico and Texas the potential for us to introduce and now play a larger role on the technology side around disaster recovery, which we're excited about. I know we've discussed in the past, we're doing our first major wildfire disaster company effort for the State of Oregon.

That's going well and that's a great qualification for us. In my remarks, I noted the number of disaster recovery clients we have and the number of mitigation client, I mean it's an impressive number, an impressive list. But I would say -- and then we continue to be busy in Louisiana.

I think that as you know, also, Marc, it's -- the frequency and severity of these events is only is certainly increasing. I'm sure you saw the story. NOAA put out their 2024 Atlantic hurricane prediction. They were saying 17 to 25 tropical storms, including 4 to 7 major hurricanes, which is a significant increase. And then we're seeing more wildfires.

And we're also seeing the potential that heat events are going to become -- be considered eligible for disaster recovery funding. And well, I don't know, I think if you live anywhere in the United States, you're experiencing some heat events this summer. So I think that business, we're growing, we're doing well.

And I think there's going to be significant opportunity there as we look down the road. And we really are an industry leader in that arena..

Marc Riddick

Great. And then the one other thing I wanted to sort of touch on is -- you certainly covered a lot already.

I was wondering if you could touch -- give us maybe an update on what your thoughts are around potential acquisitions and maybe what the acquisition pipeline looks like currently as far as what you think may be available out there quality and quantity wise.

And maybe thoughts on valuation and then maybe the chances of some of those things maybe shaking you lose should we get some interest rate cuts. Thanks..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. No, good question. Well, I would say that as apparently start -- first of all, I think as Barry noted our balance sheet is in a strong position. I mean our leverage ratio is down to two. We're generating significant cash. We'll certainly continue to do that. We have high confidence for that.

I think, and as you know, acquisitions have been a key part of our strategy over the last several -- two decades.

I think there's been three or four times where we've placed a strategic bet whether in federal markets or IT modernization or digital engagement, levered up, acquired key strategic resources capabilities and then paid the debt down in the next two or three years and levered up again.

I think that, remains a key component of our strategy, and I think we've discussed this before. I think certainly in the energy area, given all the opportunity and the breadth of that opportunity in terms of the wide array of skills and capabilities required to support it, we're certainly looking carefully at opportunities in that market.

And that would be of interest. I think we've continued to look at opportunities in the federal market more around data and analytics and perhaps smaller tuck-in technology acquisitions, but I think we're going to do it.

And then disaster recovery, I think if something came along that gave us greater geographic reach or brought tools and systems that we thought were complementary to our business, we'd look at those. And so I would say the deal flow is improving. We're seeing more potential opportunities. I think the valuations are improving a bit.

And I think there's a lot to focus on. And to your note, I think interest rates, perhaps, those will come down. And so I mean we're in the market. We're looking. I think we're -- as you know, we're quite disciplined. We have a very clear set of criteria, and we'll stick to that.

But I mean it remains part of our strategy, and we're certainly out in the market, taking a look at potential opportunities. I don't think -- if we were to do anything before the end of the year, I think it'd be more on the small tuck-in variety though..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer with Truist Securities. Your line is now open..

Tobey Sommer

I was wondering if you could talk about your billable employee headcount growth and maybe comment about what attrition has been like year-to-date. In a lot of the companies that have reported before you have talked about that rebounding to pre-pandemic or maybe even better than that levels.

Do you see continued opportunity for even better retention?.

BarryBroadus

Yes. Thanks for the question. Our retention rate has certainly improved, certainly year-over-year and quarter-over-quarter. We're in a little bit less than the 12% from a turnover perspective. So we're happy about that. We're seeing a little bit ease from a talent perspective.

And our headcount, from a year-over-year perspective, has been growing and we feel good that we've got the -- able to get the talent to execute on the programs that we have and retain the talent..

James Morgan

Yes. I mean to give you a little bit more color on that, Tobey, this is James Morgan. The -- from a billable headcount perspective, year-over-year, we're up like mid-single-digit ranges.

That's where it basically is and certainly, as Barry mentioned, retention is significantly down, a little bit under 12% as from an attrition perspective, which is lowest it's been in years..

Tobey Sommer

I appreciate that.

From a contract award and pipeline perspective, are there any discernible trends that you could call out in terms of the margin of the bids that you're submitting or plan to in winning and or any sort of mix shift that may be implied by the composition of those bids towards -- and I'm thinking primarily of like any kind of a change in firm fixed price, etcetera..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

I think from a pricing perspective, I don't across the key markets, I don't think we've -- I think the pricing has been pretty stable. And I don't think -- we're not under significant pressure to lower our margins. Or I think the margins have been pretty stable. I do think that we continue to see, I would say, fixed price contracts.

I would you say that, looking at our percentage..

Barry Broadus EVice President & Chief Financial Officer

Yes, if you look at our fixed price contract percentage of all of our contracts, it's going up significantly. And that's replacing our cost reimbursable contracts, which is certainly helping with the margins. So that's good.

I would say that as far as the mix of our direct labor versus subcontract related, that really hasn't changed significantly and we haven't seen big shifts in any of that..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

I'd say the other thing is the size of our deals has been going up, I mean, our proposals and given the opportunities and focus in IT modernization. And honestly, in the energy area, particularly the energy implementation side with energy efficiency and some of the programs there, which tend to be fixed price and very beneficial to us.

So the size of the deals that we're bidding is certainly on the uptick..

Tobey Sommer

Thank you very much..

Operator

All right. Thank you. I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn it back to John Wasson for closing remarks..

John Wasson Chairman of the Board, President & Chief Executive Officer

Okay. Well, thanks for participating in today's call. We look forward to connecting at upcoming conferences and events. Have a good rest of the summer..

Operator

All right. Thank you for your participation in today's conference. This does conclude the program. You may now disconnect..

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