Good day and thank you for standing by. Welcome to the Q4 and Full Year 2023 ICF Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Please be advised that today’s conference is being recorded. I would now like to hand the conference over to your first speaker today, Lynn Morgen of Advisory Partners. Please go ahead..

Thank you, operator. Good afternoon, everyone and thank you for joining us to review ICF’s fourth quarter and full year 2023 performance. With us today from ICF are John Wasson, Chair and CEO; and Barry Broadus, CFO. Joining them is James Morgan, Chief Operating Officer.

During this conference call, we will make forward-looking statements to assist you in understanding ICF management’s expectations about our future performance.

These statements are subject to a number of risks that could cause actual events and results to differ materially and I refer you to our February 27, 2024 press release and our SEC filings for discussions of those risks. In addition, our statements during this call are based on our views as of today.

We anticipate that future developments will cause our views to change. Please consider the information presented in that light. We may at some point elect to update the forward-looking statements made today, but specifically disclaim any obligation to do so.

I will now turn the call over to ICF’s CEO, John Wasson, to discuss fourth quarter and full year 2023 performance.

John?.

Energy Environment, Infrastructure and Disaster Management and Health and Social Programs. Revenues from continuing operations in our Energy Environment, Infrastructure and Disaster Management market, increased 10.3% in the fourth quarter and were up 13.4% for the full year, reflecting positive momentum across our portfolio of programs and services.

Highlights included double-digit revenue growth in energy efficiency program revenue in 2023, thanks to continued expansion of existing programs and the capture of several new utility clients.

As you can see from our earnings release, contract awards in this area were quite strong in the fourth quarter, with 45% of the dollar amount awarded to us representing new clients or expanded scopes of work.

Our Energy Advisory work, which saw very strong growth in the fourth quarter and for the full year, benefiting from the addition of Power Engineering from CNY in May last year, which compromises the core of our grid engineering and analytics capability or GEA team, as well as increased demand for our power and technical advisory services around renewable development and the impacts of the IRA and the IIJA.

Also, we are pleased to note that we were recently selected as Engineer of Choice for a large East Coast utility and we are seeing a significant number of revenue synergy opportunities with our GEA team and our Disaster Management, Environmental and Electrification teams.

And our environmental and planning work for commercial clients also was a strong performer in the fourth quarter and full year, driven by ongoing work for renewable developers as well as increasing resilience work for utilities and undergrounding power lines. IRI tax credits are supporting private development of renewables.

And despite a few cancellations, we are seeing strong demand for our services in these areas, mostly for projects offshore in New York, New Jersey and Northern California and future lease auctions in additional geographies are scheduled for this year.

In Disaster Management, we continue to execute on our large multiyear contracts in Puerto Rico and Texas and are working on mitigation projects in over 15 states. We recently were awarded a small, but strategic project in Virginia and the County of Mali, where we are providing technical and training assistance for HUD compliance.

Lastly, our Climate Environmental Infrastructure services, which cut across all of our client categories continued to show significant year-on-year growth in both the fourth quarter and full year. We saw expansion of climate programs for federal government agencies an increasing urgency at the federal level to disperse IRA and IIJA funding.

ICF is currently working with a number of applicants on climate priority plans, which should provide additional opportunities for us as the years progresses.

To-date, ICF has been awarded just north of $110 million, in contracts related to the IIJA and IRA, primarily from federal and state government clients and our current pipeline is over $215 million.

This does not include all the related work that we are doing for commercial clients, where it’s more difficult to associate our engagements with specific legislation. Turning to our health and social programs market, revenues from continuing operations were up 2.4% in the fourth quarter and 15.9% for the full year.

Fourth quarter comparisons were impacted by the anticipated roll-off of certain small business contracts held by companies we acquired as well as the significant reduction in pass-through revenues, associated with the large international development of the health contract.

As you know, we had substantial federal government contract awards in the third quarter, followed by additional wins in the fourth quarter and our federal government pipeline was over $6.6 billion at the end of the year.

Thus, we are confident that our federal government revenue comparisons will improve substantially in the second half of this year as new contracts ramp up. And we expect our federal government revenues to grow at a high single-digit rate for full year 2024.

Notably in the fourth quarter was the receipt of the Excellence in Frontline Public Health award, given to the BioSense project, which we support at the Center for Disease Control. This project was recognized for its effort to collect data for more than 75% of the nation’s emergency rooms.

Additionally, we expanded our conventional AI capabilities and our federal health work to introduce new strategies for data collection and processing that enhance the speed and accuracy of health information monitoring and response systems.

Also, we won several awards for new or expanded work in the fourth quarter, including at the Environmental Protection Agency to assess the risk of chemical exposure to human health at the substance of use at Mental Health Services Administration to support mental health programs and at the Centers for Disease Control to support overdose prevention programs.

In the IT modernization digital transformation arena, we followed strong third quarter contract awards of over $150 million, with another $150 million awards in the fourth quarter, including a $33 million recompete win, the Centers for Medicare and Medicaid Services to continue our modernization of their system for kidney dialysis data, a $58 million expanded recompete with the Western U.S.

State Lottery to support the operation of its cloud-based website and new contracts from the FDIC in the Department of Treasury. Additionally, we continue to pursue new opportunities to drive synergies between SemanticBits, strong footprint at CMS and ICS platform capabilities with ServiceNow.

And we are increasingly showcasing SemanticBits open source and cloud native capabilities to our longstanding clients at the CDC, the NIH and the FDA.

Both public health and IT modernization are areas of bipartisan support and we believe ICF’s deep domain expertise in health and our broad technology capabilities across the key platforms of choice in the federal government position us for growth in 2024. Before ending my review of the 2023 business highlights, I want to mention a unique item.

As you may know, we have an aviation consulting business that works with airlines, airports, and other aviation entities. We have particular expertise in the sustainable aviation fuels area.

In fact, ICF proudly supported Virgin Atlantic Flight100, the first commercial aircraft flown on 100% sustainable aviation fuel from London, Heathrow landing at New York’s JFK on November 29, 2023. And we had several team members on board that flight. With that, I’ll now turn the call over to our CFO, Barry Broadus, for his financial review.

Barry?.

Thank you, John. Good afternoon, everyone. I am pleased to provide you with additional details on our 2023 fourth quarter and full year financial performance. Total revenues in the quarter were $478.4 million comparable to the reported revenues for the fourth quarter of 2022.

Adjusting for the divestiture of our commercial marketing business in 2023, total revenues increased 4.9%, led by a strong 8.8% growth from our commercial energy clients and 16.9% growth from our state and local and international government clients.

Subcontracting and other direct costs totaled $129 million or 27% of total revenue as compared to 28.7% of total revenue in the fourth quarter of 2022. Excluding subcontractor and other direct costs, revenue from continuing operations increased 7.9% in the fourth quarter.

Gross margin for the fourth quarter was 36.5% of total revenues up 100 basis points from the third quarter of this year. Our fourth quarter indirect and selling expenses decreased 9.8% year-over-year to $123.4 million.

On an adjusted basis, indirect and selling expenses were 24.4% of total revenues for the fourth quarter and 24.6% for the full year, representing a year-over-year decrease of 50 and 80 basis points respectively as we continue to benefit from reduced facility-related expenses, the increased efficiency and scale of the business and the sale of the commercial marketing business, Fourth quarter EBITDA was $53.9 million, an increase of 46% from the fourth quarter of 2022 due in part to non-recurring expenses incurred during the fourth quarter of last year.

Our adjusted EBITDA was $57 million, a 3.3% increase from the fourth quarter of 2022 as our year-over-year growth was impacted by the CMG divestiture, which occurred in the third quarter of 2023.

Interest expense of $9.5 million increased from $9.2 million in the fourth quarter of 2022, reflecting higher interest rates and the impact of non-cash accounting charges.

As we mentioned throughout 2023, we continue to successfully offset a significant portion of the bottom line impact of our higher interest expense through various cost reduction initiatives and tax efficiency strategies.

Net income was $22.2 million or $1.16 per diluted share in the fourth quarter compared to net income of $8.9 million or $0.47 per diluted share in the comparable period last year.

Fourth quarter net income included $4.4 million or $0.18 per share in net tax-effected special charges related to facility reduction and severance costs partially offset by the net gain on the sale of a remaining portion of the commercial marketing business.

Moving forward, we will continue to evaluate facilities as appropriate, but we would expect any facility-related charges to be considerably less than what we incurred in 2023. Fourth quarter non-GAAP EPS was $1.68, an increase of 7.7%, compared to the $1.56 per share recorded in last year’s fourth quarter.

Our fourth quarter non-GAAP EPS was also impacted by the divestiture of the commercial marketing business. I will now briefly review our 2023 results. Total revenue was $1.96 billion, representing an increase of 10.3% from the prior year and 12.3% from continuing operations.

Our strong top line performance for the full year was led by our growth markets, which drove double-digit revenue growth from both government and commercial clients, highlighted by a 15.7% growth in our commercial energy business and a 10.5% increase in our U.S. government revenues.

Subcontractor and other direct costs were $534.7 million or 27.2% of total revenue, compared to 27.8% of total revenue in 2022. Adjusted EBITDA increased 11.2% to $213 million, compared to $192 million reported in 2022.

Full year GAAP EPS was $4.35 per diluted share, including $17.6 million or $0.71 per share in net tax effective special charges, which primarily consisted of facility-related severance and M&A costs, which were partially offset by the gain on the sale of CMG.

In 2022, GAAP EPS was $3.38 per diluted share, including $1.31 of tax-affected special charges. For the full year, our non-GAAP EPS was $6.50, representing a 12.7% increase year-over-year. We’re very pleased with our success in optimizing profitability.

In addition to the actions I mentioned earlier, we have implemented multiyear tax strategies that enabled us to realize a 14.4% tax rate in 2023. Going forward, we anticipate our tax strategies will allow us to maintain an annual tax rate of approximately 23.5% in 2024 and 2025. Shifting to cash flows and our balance sheet.

Our full year operating cash flow totaled $152.4 million. This compares to $162.2 million in the prior year, which benefited from approximately $30 million related to the timing of collections and disbursements. Our day sales outstanding was 72 days, as compared to 71 days in last year’s fourth quarter.

Capital expenditures for 2023 totaled $22.3 million, down from $24.5 million in the prior year. We made significant progress on our debt reduction, paying down $104 million in debt during the fourth quarter. Pay-down was primarily driven by our cash flow from operations.

We reduced our total debt by nearly $130 million, since the end of last year, inclusive of the acquisition of CMY Solutions. Our adjusted net leverage ratio was 2.16x at quarter end, compared to 2.7x at the end of the third quarter, ahead of the guidance we provided on our previous call.

In 2024, we will continue to focus on debt reduction, asset and acquisition, we expect to de-lever in a similar manner as we did in 2023. Our fixed debt was approximately 60% of our total debt at year-end, which is consistent with our target. Our average interest rate for 2023 was 5.6%.

We remain committed to our balanced approach for capital allocation, which includes organic growth initiatives, acquisitions, debt reductions and share repurchases to offset the dilution of our employee incentive programs and quarterly dividends.

Today, we announced a quarterly cash dividend of $0.14 per share, payable on April 12, 2024, to shareholders of record on March 22, 2024. I will conclude my remarks by providing additional guidance metrics for 2024, to assist you with your modeling.

Looking at the cadence of 2024, we expect to generate approximately 48% of our revenue guidance in the first half of the year with the balance in the second half. Depreciation, amortization expense is expected to range from $24 million to $26 million. Amortization of intangibles should be approximately $32 million to $33 million.

Interest expense will range from $32 million to $34 million. And as I mentioned, our full year tax rate will be approximately 23.5%. We expect a fully diluted weighted average share count of approximately $19 million.

Operating cash flow is expected to be $155 million and our capital expenditures are anticipated to be between $25 million and $28 million. And with that, I will turn the call back over to John for his closing remarks..

Thanks, Barry. In 2023, we took several strategic actions to streamline ICF business, and strengthen our positioning in the key growth markets we have identified.

These included the integration of the SemanticBits acquisition, providing us with critical open source capability, the divestiture of our Commercial Marketing business lines and the addition of CMY, which brought us new competencies in the fast-growing areas of grid modernization and electrical engineering.

In doing so, we further focused our portfolio towards high-growth verticals. This served us well in 2023 and will continue to drive ICF’s profitable growth in 2024 and beyond.

And as Barry noted, we substantially reduced our net leverage ratio in 2023, providing ICF with additional financial flexibility to execute on our acquisition growth strategy, which has been a key element of our success to date.

Based on our current strong backlog and visibility, together with the ongoing positive trends in our key growth markets, we expect 2024 organic revenues from continuing operations to range from $2.03 billion to $2.1 billion, representing year-on-year growth of 8.5% at the midpoint and 5.2% growth at the midpoint, when compared to reported 2023 results.

EBITDA is expected to range from $220 million to $230 million, reflecting year-on-year growth of 14.2% at midpoint. Our guidance range for GAAP EPS is $5.25 to $5.55 excluding special charges, and for non-GAAP EPS of $6.60 to $6.90.

As a reminder, assuming similar margins to the rest of the business, our Commercial Marketing business lines are estimated to have contributed $0.20 of non-GAAP EPS in 2023, which will not recur in 2024. Thus, on a continuing operations basis, estimated non-GAAP EPS growth in 2024 will be 7% on at the midpoint.

In addition to this very positive outlook, we’re also encouraged by the many recognitions that ICF received in 2023, highlighting our commitment to a corporate culture predicated on investing in our people, minimizing our environmental footprint, supporting our communities and serving clients with integrity.

And with that, operator, I would like to open the call to questions..

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes to the line of Joe Vafi with Canaccord. Your line is now open..

Guys, good afternoon. I hope everybody is doing well. Just we could kind of drill down on the organic federal outlook for this year. It sounds like there were a couple of moving parts here with some SBA business, that is going away and then pass-throughs.

Just any your thought process here on the cadence of that federal organic moving forward here through 2024? And then I have a follow-up..

Well, sure. I mean I think as we noted in our remarks, and I think you did nice job of summarizing, Joe. I mean I think we are rolling off a few of the small business contracts that we acquired in 2022. And I think when we made those acquisitions, we indicated that we would roll off a certain contracts towards the end of 2023.

And so we did that, we’ve done that certainly in the third and fourth quarter here at the end of the year and so that – so that has occurred. And then as we also noted, we had some reduction in pass-through of some USAID work. I will say that as we go into next year, I don’t think that we’ll see as material roll-off on small business contracts.

We’re also winning synergistic work from those acquisitions on IT Modernization. And so with the synergies that we’re seeing, the strong pipeline and strong awards, I mentioned, we’ve I think we’ve discussed the last two quarters. We’ve had very strong awards in the Federal vein, a very strong pipeline.

In IT Modernization, we won $150 million in Q3, $150 million in Q4. And so with that visibility and the momentum from that, I think we’re looking at, I would say, low to mid-single-digit government growth in the first half of the year and low double-digit growth in the second half of the year, which gets us to high single-digit growth for the year.

And I think we have clear visibility to that from a bottom-up buildup of that. And so we feel quite comfortable, quite confident in it..

Okay. That’s helpful. Thanks, John. And then I know you mentioned a few puts and takes on IRA and IIJA opportunities.

So is this – at a high level, do you see some of this work kind of rolling out as you thought? Or is it at a high level? Is it a little slower or a little faster or it’s kind of the normal kind of puts and takes as this stuff evolves?.

Yes. I would say it’s rolling out as we expected. I think we continue to see progress, and we continue to see more opportunities on that front. As I said in the remarks, we’ve won $110 million worth of work to date. The pipeline is $250 million.

And I would say both on the IIJA and the IRA, we continue to see acceleration in the opportunities and additional awards. As I mentioned in the remarks, we’re seeing a lot of activity on the commercial side, from the IRA driven by tax credits, around renewables and the clean energy transition.

So I think that – those are key drivers for the growth we expect to see in 2024. And in the Energy and Climate arena, and I think that, as I’ve talked about before, I think they continue to provide potentially additional upside, particularly as we get into 2025.

As I said before, we’re guiding to high single-digit organic growth here for all in for 2024. I think if the IRA and IIJA continue to accelerate, that’s a path for us to potentially get to double-digit organic growth in 2025 and beyond.

And, so as you can imagine, we’re quite focused on identifying every single opportunity and pursuing everything that’s out there, and that’s a major focus for ICF right now..

Great. Thanks for that outlook, John. Much appreciated..

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] This question comes from the line of Tobey Sommer with Truist. Your line is now open..

Thank you. With respect to the IIJA and IRA, investors recently have been asking if those could be defunded or somehow capitated as opportunities in a different political climate.

How do you assess the risk and to what degree, has state and local funds, as well as private capital already been spent in anticipation of either federal funds or the tax credits of IRA?.

Yes. It’s a good question, and we’re hearing those same questions, Tobey. I would say that – first of all, I would say on the federal and state and local side, the money is certainly flowing and that we are seeing – we have visibility to opportunities from IIJA and IRA, on the federal state of local fronts.

And I think clients are quite focused on leveraging those funds and pushing forward with their efforts on Climate and Renewable Energy and Clean Energy transition. And so it’s full speed ahead there.

And I think the tax credits are certainly on the IRA side, on the Commercial side, have shifted to cost curves and driving very significant investment in Renewables and Clean Energy, and we’re seeing that on the Commercial side of the house.

And so, there’s a lot of focus on leveraging those funds and taking advantage of them both in the government and the private sector. The risk of the funds being impacted by a new administration, I mean, I’m obviously not a clinical prognosticator. I do think on the IRA, the vast majority the funds will flow through the tax credits.

I think it’s less likely you’re going to see those tax credits cut in politically, I think – I haven’t seen – I mean, it would be a way of kind of potentially raising taxes, in any event, I think that I guess I will – I won’t predict the political future.

I will say that the IIJA funding is certainly and moving well and moving strongly, and that was a bipartisan bill. So my own personal opinion is that’s unlikely to be pulled back.

In the IRA, as I say, I think the funding is State and Federal business, federal businesses are focused on leveraging those funds and are making significant progress spending that money. And I think that the tax credits are driving a lot of change, too..

Thanks. The – if I heard you right, it sounds like your federal business, the cadence in ‘24 will be more like mid-single digit in the first half and then double digit in the back half. Is that right? I just want to verify that.

And then are there specific contracts or agencies that are driving that acceleration in the back half, that you could kind of call out?.

Well, I think the growth in the back half of the year, I think is going to be – it will be driven primarily by our two major growth drivers in the Federal arena. It will be driven by our IT modernization contract wins, where we won $150 million in the third quarter. We won $150 million in the fourth quarter.

We continue to have a significant pipeline there. I think we have pretty significant visibility where that’s going to come from. That – our largest client is HHS. So, a key portion of that will come from HHS clients and then other key civilian clients that we support on the IT modernization front.

In a similar way, I think on the public health front, again, between CDC, NIH, Administration for Children and Families, we have a good pipeline of opportunities and have had awards here at the end of the year that give us visibility for how that will play out and will drive that growth.

And so I think we are just in this period, where we are rolling off some of these small business contracts here in the third quarter and fourth quarter, which was expected, and we talked about when we acquired SemanticBits and gave guidance for it.

So, we are rolling off of those and then also continuing to win and ramp up other Federal programs, particularly in IT modernization and public health. And so we are just in that transition, but I think we have very clear visibility on how this will play out..

Thanks. As far as the pipeline, the $215 million, I think you said, could you describe what like the upper bounds of what a big project looks like in that pipeline? Just trying to juxtapose what we are used to seeing in Federal and your existing commercial work with what may come from some of these other catalysts? Thanks..

Yes. I would say, I mean a big contract, big stated local contract in the IIJA, IRA front would be, I don’t know, $5 million to $10 million – $5 million a year of revenue. So, of total opportunities, I mean you have to understand, like the rest of our business.

I mean there is a significant opportunities that are more advisory, doing planning studies, doing market studies, which are going to be smaller opportunities. And then there is a handful of larger implementation opportunities, whether it’s implementing energy efficiency, electrification, decarbonization going for more implementation.

And those would be at the upper bound. So, $10 million to $20 million contracts over 3 years to 4 years. But again, I think it’s going to break out between advisory implementation like all of our business. And over time, as you get more and deeper into the spend on that money, it will be more larger implementation..

Thank you very much..

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] This question comes from the line of Tim Mulrooney with William Blair. Your line is now open..

Yes. Thanks for taking my questions. The first one is, I appreciate the color you gave on expected organic growth in the Federal business in 2024. I was hoping you can give us an idea of your expectations in the commercial business as well. There is a little noise here with the divestiture.

So, I was just hoping to get a little more color on how you are thinking about that business performing on a continuing operations basis in 2024?.

Yes. I think I would say the commercial business on a continuing operation standpoint will be in the neighborhood of 14% to 15% growth..

Okay. And then pivoting to your disaster management, I was just hoping to dig into that business in a little more detail.

I mean are you seeing a notable increase in demand or additional opportunities in this business lately? I am thinking about the contract you won in Oregon recently, the issues we are seeing in Hawaii or the recent flooding that we have seen across certain parts of the country.

Curious how that – how you are thinking about that business?.

Well, I will start at the highest level, then I will drop down and answer your question that way, Tim. So, first, at a high level, obviously, disaster management has been one of our key growth drivers over the last several years. Across those five growth drivers, we have been stating we have been growing north of 10%.

I would say, disaster recovery over the last many years has certainly achieved that level of growth. I think as we look forward, and generally, I think we are thinking of high-single digit for disaster recovery, based on the book of business we have today. We are doing significant work in Texas and Puerto Rico.

I do think to your point, there are material opportunities out there that potentially could play out here in 2024 or going into 2025. Typically, when there is significant hurricanes or significant natural disasters, the work we do is not – typically not the immediate response.

It’s more the recovery work, rebuilding the public infrastructure, rebuilding homes is typically begins about a year after the storm occurs once Congress has got the funding in place.

And so some of the opportunities you mentioned Hawaii, others, I think are opportunities later this year, probably more material they played out for us as we go into 2025. But certainly, the Oregon wildfires is a nice contract win for us and will drive some growth. We are still very busy in Puerto Rico and busy in Texas.

So, I think we remain bullish on disaster recovery and continue to see this as an important growth area..

Got it. Appreciate the color. Thanks John..

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] This question comes to the line of Marc Riddick with Sidoti. Your line is now open..

Hey. Good evening. So, I wanted to go over just sort of – maybe a few of the sort of cash flow type questions. I was sort of curious as to you had a debt pay-down a little faster with the pay-down towards the end of the year, getting used.

So, can you maybe give us a little reminder as to comfort level as to leverage range and whether – any thoughts around timing of interest rates has been impact on that?.

Hi Marc. Thanks for the question. As we have done in the past, we do have a lot of seasonality in the pace, where we paid down that most of the debt reduction happens in the second half of the year, we saw that happen in stage this particular year, with $68 million of debt reduction in Q3 and the $104 million in Q4.

So, we expect that on a go-forward basis. We did see some pickup on the debt reduction, which related to the sale of the commercial marketing business, and that was offset and helped pay for the acquisition of our CMY Solutions deal, that we did earlier in the year.

So – and we think that we have baked in for 2024, some reductions of our interest rates, given what we have been hearing our friends at the Fed. We will see how that plays out. But we have been, I would say, more conservative on some of that and just to provide a good runway for what we think from a debt reduction perspective.

But we feel like we can continue to produce the cash flows like we have done in the past and pay-down debt and improve the leverage position even further, in 2024, of course, barring any acquisitions..

Yes, I just would add that from my perspective, as you know, I mean over the years, there has been periods where ICF levered up to do acquisitions and then pay-down the debt. We obviously levered up given the ITG acquisition in 2020 and SemanticBits in 2022.

I think we have done a good job over the last 1.5 years, 2 years, paying down that debt, really focusing on that. Our leverage ratio is back down to 2.2% here net leverage ratio.

And so we are in a position now where I think we have capacity in the balance sheet if the right acquisition opportunities come along, we can certainly take advantage of them. Obviously, we are quite disciplined on that.

As you know, I mean we certainly want to find opportunities in our key growth markets, good cultural fit, a good strategic fit, that is accretive year one, which is – which gets kind of what’s the state of valuation is right now.

But I think we are in a position where we have paid down the debt and we have a strong balance sheet and acquisitions have been part of our strategy. So, it’s – I think we have done a good job of paying down the debt, and getting ourselves in a position where we can leverage the balance sheet again going forward..

Great. And then I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the pricing environment and maybe what you are thinking about, as far as rate increases during the course of the year.

Are there any particular areas of concern as far as pushback, or how are we thinking about the pricing environment generally?.

I would say from a – when you say – well, I guess I would say from a pricing perspective for acquisitions, I would say that it’s still a bit of frothy market. I don’t think pricing on acquisitions is fully, fully come down given the ongoing interest rate environment.

But having said that, we are starting to see some interesting deals and some interesting deal flow. And Barry, I don’t know if you want to talk about interest rates and those types of issues..

Second to that, I am not sure that we have seen the real balance come through from the valuation perspective, just yet with the interest rates at the levels that they are. But we are starting to see a little bit more deal flow, which is good. And – but we will see how the Fed reacts to the economic data, that we have seen.

And hopefully, we will see some rate reductions coming soon..

Great.

And then I would be remiss if I didn’t sort of ask if – how we should be thinking about any changes or what you are seeing from customers, as they sort of make their adjustments or involve their thoughts around AI and what they want to do? Can you get a little bit of a color, as to maybe the progress of that, or any changes that you have seen really over the last few months that might drive near-term and longer term demand, as far as AI-driven opportunities? Thanks..

I mean I would say that we are certainly seeing increased interest on AI from our clients. And we have a number of clients, who have reached out and are interested in doing pilot projects or exploring various use cases with an AI focus to help support the mission of our Federal agencies or our commercial clients.

And so we are certainly seeing more interest there and doing more work, our domain experts, our technology experts in partnership with the client.

On the AI front, as we have talked about before, certainly within ICF, we continue to take a hard look at approaches to use AI to improve the efficiency of our business development, our marketing, our proposal preparation to improve the productivity of our coders on that in the IT modernization.

And in our IT business, I think there are some real opportunities for productivity improvement there. And so I think in the long run, certainly, I think it’s going to be a net positive for ICF. I think it’s still very early, but we are pleased to see our clients reaching out and looking for help and assistance from us.

And so we are watching carefully and undertaking activities approach clients and internal – evaluating internal approaches to leverage AI to improve productivity and add value for our clients. So, it’s certainly an area of focus for us..

Great. Thank you very much..

Thanks Marc..

Thank you. I am showing no further questions at this time. I would now like to turn the call back to John Wasson for closing remarks..

Well, thank you for participating in today’s call. We look forward to connecting with you at upcoming conferences and events. Take care..

Again, thank you. This does conclude the program and you may now disconnect..