Good day, everyone and welcome to Groupon’s Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] Today’s conference call is being recorded. For opening remarks, I would like to turn the call over to Chief Communications Officer, Jennifer Beugelmans. Please go ahead..
adjusted EBITDA, free cash flow and FX-neutral results. In our press release and our filings with the SEC, each of which is posted on our Investor Relations website, you will find additional disclosures regarding the non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations of these measures to the most comparable measures under U.S. GAAP.
And with that, I am happy to turn the call over to Kedar..
customers, a global scale platform and information. A company with one of these assets would be exciting. So I am very encouraged by our opportunity to harness the power of all three. In 2021, the team did a great job of controlling the controllables impacting our business.
And despite challenges, created by factors like the Omicron and Delta variants and supply/demand imbalances impacting our merchant partners, the team made progress expanding our local inventory and modernizing the marketplace. We grew North America full year local billings by 22% compared with 2020.
We also made progress improving the composition of our customer base, and we have grown the number of active local customers in North America on a trailing 12-month basis for the past 3 consecutive quarters. So we have made some progress. But from my perspective, we have so much potential to deliver a lot more impact.
As I mentioned, the team has done a lot of foundational work over the past 1.5 years to expand our inventory and increase our offerings to the customers. But now we must build an even better understanding of the critical value propositions we must provide for our customers and the critical value proposition we must provide for our merchant partners.
Despite our competitive advantage, a highly fragmented and large addressable market, Groupon hasn’t been able to capture additional share in the Local. In fact, for some time prior to pandemic, our business was actually shrinking.
I believe this performance stems from an operating philosophy that has not been centered enough around delighting our merchant partners and customers and prioritizing initiatives and utilizing the data that serve our core goal.
I believe that we must incorporate these operating tenets in order to sustain the growth over the long term and achieve operational excellence. I also believe the root of many of our challenges stems from the broadness of our merchant partner and customer value propositions. We have been trying to be everything to everyone.
And instead, we need to focus on delivering the most important elements of our value proposition to ensure we are delighting and retaining both customers and merchant partners.
Throughout my career, I have learned through experience that if you consistently delight your end users and obsess about details in every single interaction, you will create long-term loyalty. And this is the key to retention.
So here at Groupon, we must figure out what is the most critical need we must satisfy for our merchant partners, for our customers. We intend to dig deeper into understanding our value propositions, their key inputs and drivers to do a better job of prioritizing our initiatives and investments and driving focused operational excellence.
While I am still in the process of digging through our value propositions for merchant partners and customers, my goal is for every decision, every change we make to our marketplace going forward, to be focused on the long-term benefits to our business.
We need to do a better job of prioritizing the interest of customers and merchant partners first, which should also be great for Groupon’s long-term future. In short, we are going to be obsessed with meeting the needs of our customer and merchant partners.
I believe this is how we will create significant value for all our stakeholders over the long term. Practically speaking, what does that mean? Let me give you an example. We need to create better algorithm that does a better job of helping us build a more strategic inventory base.
Once that takes into account, our platform capacity and balances both supply coverage as in breadth of inventory and supply density, meaning the depth of inventory, we need to create more certainty around the flywheel impact of adding new merchant partners or of creating supply redundancy.
How many new customers can we attract with each new listing we add? I believe that we must more effectively ensure that we have right inventory on our marketplace in order to unlock our growth flywheel. We also need to figure out fundamentals of a stronger partnership that works better for our merchant partners.
This is how we will demonstrate our obsession with delighting our merchant partners. To grow the business, we need to better understand what is the most important area, that merchant partners need Groupon’s help with.
For instance, right now, we are trying to help merchant partners with both marketing management by driving customer acquisition and awareness and revenue management by running yield management. In order to successfully deliver on what we promise our merchant partners, we need to focus on the role that is most important to them.
One early learning we have seen is that, while historically, we thought beauty and wellness merchant partners view us – viewed the Groupon marketplace as a tool to acquire customers. In fact, only roughly 20% are using us to acquire customers and some 80% are using us for yield management.
This suggests that we can realign our priorities to better serve this need. While we haven’t yet determined the most important role for Groupon to play with merchant partners. Let me walk you through what I’m digging into first and exploring, building trust with our merchant partners.
We have to ensure that they want to come back to partner with Groupon again and again. And merchant partner economics, it’s vital that we get more insight into our merchant partners economics and their expectations for what Groupon will provide and at what cost.
Today, we are not capturing this type of information from our merchant partners, and we intend to build out our capabilities on this front. We have long viewed our core customer value proposition as unbeatable value on Local experiences and selection and convenience that allows customers to find and enjoy local experiences.
But in my early observation, we may not always be delivering on this promise. One area where we can do more is building customer trust. Customers need to be able to trust that Groupon will always deliver on our value proposition. This is table stakes for any marketplace, and we are taking steps to make sure that trust in our marketplace remains high.
Building trust with our customers is critical if you want them to come back to our marketplace again and again. For example, in the past, customers didn’t have an easy way to get a refund directly from Groupon if their transaction didn’t go as planned.
To address this, we have improved our refund practices to be more proactive, giving the customer a refund if a merchant partner is not honoring Groupon. Trust building is an ongoing process and we will continue to invest in this area. We also need to make sure that we have great customer service.
We have created a contact button that will allow customers to easily reach customer service through their own account portal. Naturally, trust is just one area we are digging into, but it should give you a sense of how we are digging into our customer value proposition. We will continue to refine our consumer marketing strategy.
Philosophically, this is how I see Groupon approaching marketing. I believe we should spend money on marketing only when we see organic traction. Marketing should not be used to fuel the fire if there is no fire to begin with.
With a heightened focus on putting the needs of our customers and merchant partners first, we believe we will be in a better position to assess the organic traction we are gaining. And this will be the best signal to indicate where to pour gas to fuel the fire.
While we have been disciplined in our approach to the marketing investment, we will be looking to become even more disciplined going forward, deploying marketing dollars only where we see this organic traction.
In the future, you should look forward to Groupon doing a better job of leveraging marketing and proprietary customer information to accelerate our growth from day-to-day interactions, consumers have with our marketplace to strategic opportunities to drive awareness and capture mind share during big consumer moments year round.
All of these big picture ideas will require that we take a hard look at how we are balancing the needs of customers, local merchant partners and Groupon. We are a two-sided marketplace. We need to make sure we delight both customers and merchant partners while creating a benefit for Groupon.
Doing this will enable us to do a better job retaining both customers and merchant partners and allow us to get our flywheels turning. I intend to move quickly and decisively to lead Groupon forward.
Over the next 3 months, as we and the rest of the world emerge from the impact of yet another COVID variant, you can expect to hear from us about our enhanced mission that we are aligning our business and operating strategy to. We will continue to assess as quickly as we can, what is working and what isn’t working.
This assessment will continue with the core questions about each of our investments. Is this good for the customer? Is this good for merchant partners? And then, is this good for Groupon? Within this framework, we will also be assessing two core areas.
How can we drive growth with the new supply density and demand inputs? And can we gain any additional operating efficiencies by replacing manual processes with automation throughout our organization.
Next quarter, I will share our execution timeline and the corresponding near to medium-term KPIs and goals that we will use to measure success against our priorities. As I mentioned earlier, at that point, we will be in a position to give you financial guidance for the full year.
Moving forward, our goal is that everything we work on lathers up to the most important tenet for Groupon, acting in the long-term interest of customers, merchant partners and Groupon to create value for all of our stakeholders.
This means we will be obsessed with delighting our customers and merchant partners that we plan to act with greater intention to become even more disciplined, to bring operational excellence to everything we do that will allow us to reach our full potential and deliver the focus durable, and profitable growth, we believe is within our reach.
With that, I will turn it over to Damien for a high-level review of our financial results and first quarter guidance..
Thanks, Kedar, and thanks everyone who’s joining us today. Today, I’ll use my time to provide further insights into our fourth quarter operating and financial results and our financial outlook for the first quarter of 2022. I will also provide some perspective on our full year 2022 trajectory.
In addition to my prepared remarks, I encourage you to review our slides, press release and 10-K, which contain more detail on our Q4 results and first quarter outlook. Starting with our consolidated fourth quarter results.
We delivered $621 million of gross billings, $223 million of revenue, $195 million of gross profit and $37 million of adjusted EBITDA. We ended the year with $499 million in cash, including $100 million drawn on the revolver and generated positive free cash flow. As Kedar mentioned earlier, the team did a great job focusing on what we could control.
And as a result, we made significant progress stabilizing our Local category. In the quarter, global local billings grew 36% versus the prior year and 8% versus the prior quarter despite the emergence of the Omicron variant in December, which significantly impacted consumer demand in the latter part of the quarter.
We also continue to make progress improving the composition of our customer base. We continue to take actions aimed at building a stronger, healthier marketplace, which we believe will allow us to unlock purchase frequency, capture more customer wallet share and deliver more value to our merchant partners over time.
Within our North America customer base, we grew our local active customers for the third consecutive quarter. As a result, we had 11.3 million active local customers in the fourth quarter, up 5% versus the third quarter. This growth in local customers offset the decline in our lower-value goods customers during the quarter.
And within our international markets, we are encouraged by the progress we made rebuilding and improving the composition of our local customer base this quarter, especially in light of the prolonged COVID headwinds there.
In fact, we grew our active local customers 10% versus the third quarter, and as a result, had 4.5 million active local customers in the fourth quarter. The team also made important progress expanding our local inventory and modernizing the marketplace. In 2021, we hit our inventory goals.
In North America, we removed repeat restrictions on over 80% of our local deal inventory and grew listings for Beauty and Wellness merchant approximately 40% since launching our Offers inventory product. And we made substantial improvements to our self-service tools, making it much easier for merchants to partner with Groupon.
During the fourth quarter, approximately 57% of the deals launched in North America were launched via self-service. Next, I’ll provide more insights into our fourth quarter financial results. Starting with our segment and category results. As expected, trends haven’t been linear and recovery has been volatile as new COVID variants had emerged.
Starting with North America Local. Billings grew 32% versus the prior year and were 65% of 2019 models, a sequential improvement of 300 basis points. Looking at the trajectory intra quarter.
Local billings as a percent of 2019 levels improved sequentially in October and were particularly strong during the November peak Cyber period, driven by our Beauty and Wellness and things to do verticals. November Local billings reached 76% of 2019 levels, which was the highest point of the recovery we’ve seen so far.
However, we saw Local performance pull back meaningfully in December with the emergence of the Omicron variant and this trend continued into early 2022. In International, Local billings grew 49% versus the prior year and were 52% of 2019 levels on an FX-neutral basis, up 500 basis points versus the third quarter.
Looking at the trajectory intra quarter, similar to North America, international Local recovery rates improved in October and early November.
And while we saw recovery pullback for the remainder of the quarter with the emergence of the Omicron variants across EMEA, the pullback was less pronounced than in North America given the existing restrictions already in place in those markets.
As we’ve said before, we expect a longer recovery cycle in international, where restrictions have been more prolonged and stricter. Moving to our Goods category. Performance here was in line with our expectations, and we completed the international Goods transition to a third-party marketplace model during the fourth quarter.
Hitting this milestone allows us to run the Goods category on a much more fixed cost base and significantly simplifies our operations. As a reminder, in the third-party model, we recognize goods revenue on a net basis. Moving down the P&L. SG&A was $126 million in the fourth quarter.
SG&A expenses came in lower than expected, but were up slightly on a sequential basis, reflecting the planned costs associated with their migration to the cloud. We have continued to focus on controlling fixed costs to ensure that we have the financial flexibility we need to navigate the recovery and invest in future growth opportunities.
We also continue to diversify our marketing efforts across both mid and upper funnel campaigns to drive consideration awareness during the quarter. While marketing expense increased to $58 million, we kept our investment levels at 30% of gross profit, which was in line with our investment in the third quarter and historical averages.
As Kedar mentioned, we intend to take advantage of opportunities to leverage marketing to accelerate our growth over time, but we will remain prudent with our spend. Turning to our cash position. In the fourth quarter, we returned to cash generation with $19 million of free cash flow.
We ended the year with a cash balance of $499 million, which includes the $100 million drawn on the revolver. Our liquidity position remains solid, and we have a balance sheet that provides us with the financial flexibility to withstand the transient impacts of COVID and invest in opportunities to drive long-term growth.
Now I’ll take you through our expectations for the first quarter of 2022. Taking a step back, we exited 2021 in a better position than we entered the year, but like many others, we are seeing volatility from COVID.
Based on this, in the first quarter, we expect to deliver $160 million to $170 million of revenue at approximately breakeven adjusted EBITDA. Let me give you a little more color on our outlook. As you might suspect, Local billings are being impacted by Omicron and this has led to a further step-down in performance during January in both the U.S.
and international markets. With higher case counts, we are seeing a more pronounced impact from Omicron than we saw from the Delta variant. Notwithstanding this and based on what we observed with Delta last year, we continue to believe this headwind is transient.
For example, last year, when COVID cases were rising, we saw an immediate response on both sides of our marketplace; lower demand from customers and lower supply availability from our merchant partners. Similarly, after Delta case counts went down and stayed down, we saw Local recovery ramp in October and November.
While past performance isn’t always indicative of future performance, we have begun to see this pattern play out again in the wake of Omicron. In February, as weather has warmed up in parts of the U.S. and restrictions have begun to ease, we are seeing an uptick in Local volumes.
Over the past couple of weeks, recovery levels have advanced, although they have not yet fully returned to pre-Omicron levels. Turning to a few other items for your models. As I mentioned earlier, we have fully transitioned our global Goods category to a third-party marketplace.
And as a result, in 2022, total Goods revenue will be recognized on a net basis. To illustrate this effect on our P&L, if Goods revenue had been reported on a net basis in 2021, goods revenue would have been approximately 55% lower than the $243 million we reported. As a reminder, the revenue recognition change does not impact gross profit.
Our first quarter outlook assumes year-over-year goods performance that is similar to what we reported for the fourth quarter. Lastly, we expect SG&A expense to increase sequentially compared with the fourth quarter driven by the planned expenses associated with our cloud migration and timing of payroll-related expenses.
We’d also like to provide our current perspective on our trajectory for the full year. We expect Local billings recovery to accelerate throughout 2022 in both North America and international.
Although we saw a step back in recovery due to Omicron, we are beginning to see signs at organic recovery tailwinds on the supply and demand front are resuming as Omicron recedes and macro conditions gradually improve.
Regarding our full year adjusted EBITDA, as a reminder, we recorded a $31 million benefit from variable consideration revenue in 2021 related to vouchers sold in prior periods.
Excluding this benefit, we expect our full year 2022 adjusted EBITDA to be higher than full year 2021 and therefore, expect to generate more than $112 million of adjusted EBITDA in 2022.
We wanted to provide these current perspectives on the full year to give you an understanding of our baseline expectations while we continue our marketplace assessment. We look forward to sharing our operating priorities, go-forward strategy and updated financial outlook on our first quarter results call in May.
Finally, I wanted to provide you with a few insights on cash flow. Typical characteristic of a healthy growing marketplace is a positive net working capital cash flow generation. Many of the cash flow headwinds we faced in 2021 were transient in nature, and we expect to return to historical cash flow patterns going forward.
If our local recovery accelerates throughout the year, as we are expecting, there is no reason why our marketplace should not be generating free cash flow in 2022. I will now turn it back over to Kedar for some closing thoughts..
Thanks, Damien. Let me be clear, we are moving with a sense of urgency.
As I did today and going forward, you can expect me to continue to ask the right questions to make sure I’m focusing on what matters most, explain our findings, both good and bad, along with any next steps we will be taking and transparently communicate with you regularly to bring you along for the journey from here to there.
Although we have a lot of work ahead of us, Groupon has employees who I know are up to the challenge and are energized by team’s sense of urgency. I couldn’t be more excited about the opportunities we have to accelerate Groupon’s progress towards becoming the destination for Local, and I look forward to providing additional updates next quarter.
With that, I will turn it over to the operator, for any questions on our fourth quarter and full year performance..
[Operator Instructions] Your first question is from the line of Trevor Young with Barclays..
Great. Thanks. A few, if I may. So, let’s take them one by one. First, we didn’t quite get the stabilization in users that we expected earlier in the year, but some positive indications on the subset of local customers. That was a new disclosure. That was super helpful.
When will overall customers turn the corner? And any sort of positive indication so far that marketing efforts are driving increased app downloads engagement, converting the transactions, that sort of thing?.
Good morning Trevor. Thanks for your question. This is Kedar. I would like to provide some commentary on this particular question and then probably Damien, can add more insights to that. So, first and foremost, I think local customers are the most important customers for us, as we have mentioned.
And the way I look at the overall customer base is that we can get other customers and get them to experience our local hoppers. That’s the most critical aspect for us. We have grown our local customers every single quarter for past three consecutive quarters in North America and very pleased with that particular performance.
Now going forward, we will continue to be focused on how can we grow these local customers and continue to look for the opportunities to get more customers – existing customers engage into local, and that’s what we will be focused on.
Damien, do you want to add?.
Thanks, Kedar and thanks for the question, Trevor. As you mentioned, one of the key metrics is local customers, which is why we wanted to provide this transparency for you. And obviously, Omicron is impacting us in the first quarter. But as local ramps, we would expect to grow local customers over the course of 2022.
Note that in the short-term, we will see some further headwinds from goods in the first half of this year in those total top customer accounts..
That’s really helpful. Thanks. And then Damien, on the 1Q guide, obviously, the continued revenue declines, and I know you gave a little bit of math around the impact from the 1P to 3P shift.
How much of this is really a mix of seasonality and the guided step-down in GPs and Omicron versus that business shift? And on the EBITDA, what if any incremental areas of spend are we seeing that’s kind of informing that EBITDA down to something closer to breakeven?.
Yes. Sure. And firstly in coming off the backdrop of the positive fourth quarter results, totally get the question here. And so if you can unpack the revenue number a little bit, around one-third of the revenue sequential move is from seasonality and the overall migration from goods third-party.
Two-thirds of which is more of the business pull back from Omicron. So, it’s mostly an Omicron story in this first quarter, again, which we continue to believe is a transient on our marketplace.
As far as the cost profile overall, we did call out the costs associated with cloud migration, but beyond cloud, which is always part of our planned expenditures, really no other areas of structural investments.
And you should assume kind of this OpEx profiles at run rate that we intend to grow and ramp our top line off the lower fixed cost base going forward..
That’s super helpful. And last one, just to kind of get this on the record since we get so many questions. Groupon has liquidated a lot of minority stakes. You have cut your some up-stake in the past.
If you could comment on your plans for your some up-stake specifically or if not, broadly, what’s your general philosophy towards these minority stakes? Thank you..
Yes. So philosophically, as we do with our overall broader investment portfolio, and we regularly evaluate how we can leverage our investments to create long-term shareholder value.
As you name the SumUp, we do hold it, then you saw in our recent disclosures, we do hold a 2.4% passive stake in SumUp, and that’s been a great investment for Groupon overall. I would just also remind you that there is no public market for shares of SumUp at this time..
Great. Thanks. I will hop back in the queue..
Your next question is from the line of Mike Ng with Goldman Sachs..
Hey, good morning. Thank you for the question. Two, if I could. First, it was encouraging to hear about Groupon’s focus on improving the customer experience, doing things like proactively providing customer refunds and removing restrictions.
Kedar, I was just wondering, if you could talk about any areas of the merchant experience that may be suboptimal that might present itself as a similar level of low-hanging fruit to improve the experience. Thank you..
Thanks Mike. I think there are two different things with the merchants. One, we need to better understand the intent why a merchant is coming on Groupon platform.
So, for example, I have talked about, we have the ability to understand if the merchant need is marketing management from Groupon, and we are going to acquire more customers for them or they are looking for more yield on their inventory.
Unfortunately, some of these particular data points in the value proposition to create that sort of feedback for our merchants, we were not capturing those even at the point that we are making – or working with our merchant partners.
So, I will have more information for you in terms of what we are going to offer for our merchant partners as we collect more data. So, right now, I am more focused on collecting and making sure that we have the complete understanding of merchant needs and how we can calibrate what their expectations are to what the information we provide them back.
It’s just right now, it’s going to take time for us to go through those value propositions..
Great. Thank you very much. And if I could just ask a quick modeling question, just on the path of local improvement throughout the year, could you just talk a little bit about the drivers of that improvement? Is it simply reopening, or are there some things on the product roadmap that might help that? Thank you very much..
I think there are two different aspects of, I would say, not just recovery, but growth. And so one of the things is for us to make sure that for focused growth to happen, we have to create consistently a customer expectation that we address.
So for example, if we are saving the time for customers or if we are saving the money for our customers, we have to consistently do that. And so if you peel back that and say, in a global recovery, what are the features, trust is very important for us. But then there are other aspects as well.
There are some trends, some verticals which are coming back very rapidly, and there are some verticals which are lagging. And in general, what we will see is that it’s also based on geographies. But one thing is consistent and those are value props.
And that’s why we are making sure that our value prop, understanding and under current within those value props is what will drive the growth for us. So, still going through that particular understanding for myself..
Great. Thanks Kedar and congratulations on the new role..
Thank you..
[Operator Instructions] And your next question is from the line of Ygal Arounian with Wedbush..
Hey, good morning guys And I would also like to echo that, congrats, Kedar. Welcome aboard.
Maybe just taking one step back and thinking about the strategy that the team has put in place before you joined and a lot of focus on inventory density on offers, right, growing that out, removing the restrictions and kind of going there market-by-market, developing it.
And now we are trying to talk about assessing and refining and kind of feels like we are going back to the drawing board a little bit. Is that strategy changing off the table, is it just evolving, maybe we could talk about bridging from where we did to where you want to get, I guess to start there..
Sure. Thanks for the question, and thank you for the congratulations. So, I think the overall team has done a pretty great job in the last 18 months of building the inventory. I think going back, this particular inventory buildup just doesn’t mean that we will have much more traction.
We have to have the consistency in this inventory buildup to make sure that when a customer expects there are x number of providers in this particular marketplace, in this particular location to have that kind of density. Otherwise, the customer expectations are, oh, I look for this particular thing on Groupon, it was not there.
That sort of intent capturing requires us to have the right amount of supply density and breadth, both in each vertical. And that’s what we are focused right now to make sure those KPIs are something we should be intentional about as opposed to that is a byproduct of getting just supply density buildup. That is not going to do it.
So, we need to have understanding of this demand and supply. That’s one aspect. And we are working on that with a great focus at the moment..
Okay. Understood.
Maybe so bigger picture as you kind of come on board and given your previous experience and in line with all the stuff you are talking about, just how you view the competitive landscape? And obviously, those like Google and Facebook have taken real share in local ad dollars over time in a real material way, pretty big competitors in certain ways.
Just how do you think about that competitive landscape of competing with those content players as you start your role in this team?.
That’s a great question. The way to look at competitors, I think I will first start with what I am excited about Groupon. As I mentioned, three biggest asset on Groupon front are horizontal local marketplace. The data that we have in our network, which frankly we are not leveraging, as I have mentioned before. And then the third is global scale.
Now there are a lot of these competitors that you mentioned, none of them are specifically focused on local. There is advertising market, and there is a utility market that is different. But each one of them has a different application. Groupon is actually focused on local transactions.
And that’s why I believe that we have the ability to go both work with merchants and customers to go through the local transaction versus other marketplaces are a different utility for our customers for a different application, but it was not meant to be a transaction marketplace..
Got it. And if I could ask one more. Damien, you kind of highlighted or mentioned it in the 1Q EBITDA guide, the cloud investment, but nothing incremental there. And then you guys sound pretty confident that EBITDA for the full year will be at least as good as it was in 2021.
You are also at the beginning of this plan to kind of reassess and refine the strategy and see kind of where – what you need to do there to improve the platform, the product. And just what gives you the confidence that there isn’t incremental levels of investment that you need to put in place to get to where you want to go right now? Thanks guys..
Thanks for the question, Ygal.
But before I get into kind of investment levels, that initial perspective that we have given here on the full year is really our initial baseline view and that we wanted to communicate out that how we are thinking about the year with top line trajectory, mainly in local in both North America and international ramping throughout the year.
The bottom line EBITDA performance is a reflection of that ramping of growth, but as we have said before, and I think we have consistently said that we firmly believe we can grow off of a much lower fixed cost base going forward.
And as I shared in one of the earlier Q&A remarks, we don’t – we are kind of running at our SG&A profile that we want right now. You shouldn’t really see any kind of incremental investment in totality. And instead, any of those investments will really be rebalancing within our existing portfolio..
Alright. Great. Thanks for all the color..
We have a follow-up question from the line of Trevor Young with Barclays..
Great. Thanks. Kedar, just back to some comments you made in the prepared remarks about your willingness to lean in on ad spend to the extent there is kind of that organic demand or the spark, if you will, before you add fuel to the fire.
What are like the one or two gating factors in your view, at least initially as to what’s keeping that organic demand from coming on? Thanks..
Thanks for the question, Trevor. Organic demand, in general, we can go and look into, hey, which particular vertical is getting the organic demand back and which particular geography is getting organic demand back.
And we always look at across verifying these particular demand signals across different geographies, different verticals to see, hey, what is happening.
What to me is more important is to find out what are the undercurrent themes, what are we seeing and then can we replicate that on the other marketplace – sorry, other geographies to make sure that, that sort of understanding for customers, that’s sort of context for customers, we are providing that.
Today, our technological experience is not there to actually take advantage of that across the board. And that’s why in some particular cases, the organic demand is not – even if the traffic comes back, the things that we are showcasing to our customers might not be there in the best way..
Right. Thank you..
This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect..