Heather Davis – Investor Relations Rich Williams – Chief Executive Officer Mike Randolfi – Chief Financial Officer.
Brian Fitzgerald – Jefferies LLC Matthew Trusz – Gabelli & Company Justin Patterson – Raymond James & Associates, Inc. Tom Champion – Cowen & Co. LLC Chris Merwin – Goldman Sachs & Co. LLC Deepak Mathivanan – Barclays Capital, Inc Eric Sheridan – UBS Scott McConnell – D. A. Davidson.
Good day, everyone, and welcome to Groupon's Second Quarter 2018 Financial Results Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the company's formal remarks. Today's conference call is being recorded.
For opening remarks, I would like to turn the call over to Vice President of Investor Relations, Heather Davis. When you’re ready, please go ahead..
adjusted EBITDA, FX-neutral results and free cash flow. In our press release and our filings with the SEC, each of which is posted on our Investor Relations website, you will find additional disclosures regarding the non-GAAP measures, including reconciliations of these measures with U.S. GAAP.
As we discuss our results during this call, note that all comparisons, unless otherwise stated, refer to year-over-year growth as reported, and all gross profit comparisons are FX-neutral with the exception of gross profit per customer, which are as reported. And with that, I'm happy to turn the call over to Rich..
Thank you, Heather. In the second quarter, Groupon continued strategic progress in our mission to be the daily habit in local commerce, delivered another strong quarter of adjusted EBITDA and improved free cash flow in our core business.
As we've attacked the opportunity in local, we’ve remained focused on our four strategic initiatives that we believe are critical to long-term success and shareholder value.
As a reminder, our four strategic initiatives are; enhancing the customer experience; establishing Groupon as a true open platform for local; realizing the potential of our international business and last but not least, continued operational rigor.
We see these initiatives as essential pieces to extend our advantage in local and more importantly, unlock the true potential in this brand and business. For certain, these are not small undertakings, but we made progress in each area, which help us deliver $56 million of adjusted EBITDA and trailing 12 months free cash flow of $145 million.
These are solid results and underscore our ability to deliver on our commitments, while evolving our business and paving the way for an even more exciting future. We’ll pause for a minute on our revolution.
The past two plus years have been focused on exactly this idea on building the next bigger, better version of Groupon for merchants, consumers, employees and shareholders. We're by no means done, but we're on our way.
The first phase of our evolution, which began at the end of 2015 and ran through the middle of 2017, focused on rightsizing and restructuring the company to position us to fight the right growth battles with a sustainable cost base and improved economic flow-through.
International bore the brunt of this effort and a disruption inherent in restructuring actions of its scale. But to be clear, it wasn't all about reductions in the phase.
In parallel with our international efforts, we scaled our investments in North America customers and began developing the next generation of products that change the way Groupon works for merchants and consumers.
This first phase delivered solid results, in North America we added about 7 million active customers and return to a multi-year pattern of gross profit growth, which broke a four year trend of declines.
In addition, we reduced SG&A by over $200 million, while building what I believe are our most exciting product efforts to date which include a card linked offers and our third party partnership platforms.
Importantly, as we moved out of the first phase with the completion of our restructuring efforts, we started to grow again in international, something we hadn't seen in many years and Q2 is now the fourth straight quarter of gross profit growth in that business.
Our trend of international growth is a core part of how we think about a second phase of our revolution, the phase we’re in now, where we begin scaling next generation products in North America and delivering the kind of customer experience that local deserves.
This phase entails some disruption in the core voucher business in North America, which we’ve discussed as we’ve begin scaling our Groupon+ product. The impressions and marketing trade-offs we’re making there are in line with potential we see in Groupon+ with stronger merchant acquisition and increased consumer purchase frequency potential.
Net, just as we were willing to get smaller in international in order to enable longer term growth, we are willing to disrupt our North American voucher business and work through some short term gross profit headwinds in order to deliver the kind of customer experience that can lead to even more profitable relationships.
That's not to say we’re pleased with our gross profit results this quarter and our teams continue to work toward maximizing gross profit going forward. We still have work ahead of us in the second phase of Groupon's evolution and we're pushing forward every day.
Our four strategic initiatives are designed to drive us through it, while delivering strong bottom line results. First is the customer experience where we’re focused on making Groupon simpler, more valuable to consumers and merchants and better than the original in every way.
Groupon+ is at the center of these efforts and we’re encouraged by the progress we've made and the response from customers and merchants to our card linked and voucher less experience. Since, unveiling Groupon+ last year, we’ve grown to more than 5 million cards enrollment program. We drove around 1 million new enrollments in the second quarter alone.
We also now have over 5,500 merchant locations in the program and we continue to add them at a fast clip, as they see the value in a seamless experience and lower, more flexible discounts. Also encouraging is the testing in innovation Groupon+ has opened up in the card linking leasing space overall.
We launched our test of prepaid card linked offers earlier this quarter in one market, where customers pay a small amount for access to usually larger, recurring discounts. We're testing this model because it combines the larger discounts of our regional voucher model with the convenience of card linking.
And because the customer pays for the discount upfront, we see higher redemption potential, which can mean more value for the customer and more traffic for the merchant. We also continue to make progress in mobile where we’re clearly leader with more than 70% of our transactions occurring on mobile devices and 183 million mobile downloads to date.
With improvements in search and browse, overall app speed and increasing feature parity in our international mobile appropriately, we continue to make strides to better engage with the vast majority of our customers and importantly, our best customers.
And while we have the sixth highest rated iOS app of all time, as we move through the back half of this year and into 2019, our mobile team will explore a top to bottom revamp of the Groupon mobile experience to better align with our growing marketplace and increasing volume of merchants and offers on the platform.
We know it needs to be easier to search, discover and browse our fast growing catalog of supply and we see significant opportunity to improve our merchandising in the app. Another important aspect of the customer experience is the progress we've made in our Goods business, particularly in fulfillment.
While Goods units declined in the quarter as we optimized for gross profit, we continue to see Goods as a powerful customer engagement tool. The increasing efficiency of that business also gives us the opportunity to broaden our assortment at great prices and better capitalize and introducing goods buyers to our local marketplace.
Importantly, global Goods margins in the second quarter improved 320 basis points to 17.8%, one of our best results ever. Our second strategic priority is extending the power of the Groupon platform.
We built the Groupon marketplace on sourcing amazing local deals, goods and get aways with our in-house sales teams, but also realize that nearly 50 million customers have an even broader appetite for great things to do and buy. To fully realize that potential, we've built a powerful infrastructure to connect them with more supply.
And we're focused on bringing in significant additional inventory from third parties that see the value in our massive, engaged customer base. So, far in 2018, we've launched our expanded partnerships with Grubhub, Major League Baseball, American Express, CoreSource and others.
We expect these partnerships to add tens of thousands of buying opportunities to the Groupon platform over the coming quarters. And we continue to see strong interest from partners in a variety of categories. In the second quarter, we brought Viator UK, Cirque du Soleil and FTD to the platform.
Viator UK is particularly exciting as it marks the first international use of our third party integration platform.
We also began launching full price inventory with Live Nation, a long time partner in the ticketed event space with the understanding, that while many customers associate Groupon with discounts, they also rely on us for discovery and as a source for great ideas on things to eat, see, do and buy in cities around the world.
It's early on for full price offerings, but we believe there is both room and demand on our platform for offers across the discount specturm. Our platform and partnership initiatives have helped us deepen our catalog to provide more relevant and timely deals in more and more places.
With our scale of trafficking searches, we see this catalog expansion as a core opportunity. Our third priority is to fully realize the potential in our international business. Prior to embarking on the first phase of our evolution, International was an obvious drag on our overall business.
As we’ve rationalized our footprint, implemented proven winning strategies and product enhances from North America and made profitable investments in customer growth, we've made great strides in bringing international to parity. The results are beginning to show.
International gross profit grew 4% with International goods growing at a very healthy, 19% in the quarter. We saw similar success in our customer acquisition efforts. We added 120,000 new customers in the quarter and a 10% improvement in gross profit per customer as we launched a number of proven North America features, across our sites and apps.
While we’re on International, it's important to note that we've not seen any meaningful disruption, following the implementation of GDPR, which is a great credit to the significant work from our business, technology and legal teams.
Arguably, the largest impact of the effort around GDPR compliance was slowing down our product development roadmap in the first half. The good news is that our teams are back to fast tracking on that front, particularly in International.
Looking ahead in International, we expect to bring a good shopping cart and the ability to offer Goods inventory across countries later this year. We'll continue to refine our sales processes and pricing tools in local, while investing in the third party partnerships that have been successful in North America.
We also continue to see opportunities for customer acquisition in International with plans for expanded marketing campaigns in major European cities like Paris and Malan. There's still much to do here and we believe the opportunity is immense. Our fourth area of focus is continuing the operational rigor, we've established over the past two years.
Here, we've seen strong progress continue in the second quarter with SG&A improving $11 million year-over-year and $3 million quarter-over-quarter, excluding IBM, which Mike will discuss. Our global shared service centers and general improvements in our sales and customer service processes are a big part of the success story here.
Importantly, we continue to see opportunities to increase our use of technology and automation over time to improve our service levels, speed and overall efficiency.
Overall, the second quarter saw a solid progress in all four of our initiatives and we believe they’re the key inputs to both long-term success and continued adjusted EBITDA growth as the second phase of our evolution and new product roll-outs creates a near term pressure in North America.
Winning in local was a massive opportunity that's worth building for. With focus, patience and commitment to our strategic initiatives that we believe will deliver what matters most 5 and 10 years down the road. We're doing that every day and we're doing it while delivering significant adjusted EBITDA growth.
With that, let me turn the call over to Mike..
Thanks, Rich. Our second quarter results for gross profit and adjusted EBITDA are in line with what we expected from the last earnings call with gross profit of $324 million and adjusted EBITDA of $56 million.
In North America, gross profit was $219 million for the second quarter, down $15 million on a year-over-year basis, which was largely offset by lower marketing spend. Q2 local gross profit was $165 million, down $14 million or 8%.
Adjusting for the Groupon+ ramp up and the reduction of gross profit from the sale of certain order of assets, North America local gross profit would have experienced a low single digit percentage decrease. Q2 Goods gross profit was $38 million, increasing $1 million, or 4% over the prior year.
In total, gross profit per customer for Q2 on a trailing 12 month basis in North America was $28.36, about flat versus the prior year period.
As anticipated, we experienced a decline of active customers in North America, as we've become more efficient in our marketing segmentation and our focus on attracting and retaining customers that we believe have the potential for greater value over time. We expect a similar trend in the next couple of quarters.
In summary, for North America while we’ve taken several actions, such as continuing to roll-out Groupon+, optimizing our Goods business and selling certain order of assets, we recognize this has created some short-term disruption which we expect will settle out over the next couple of quarters.
At the same time, we expect these actions will have longer term benefits for the business and support increases in gross profit per customer. On International, we’re pleased with Q2s performance and continue to be very excited about the long-term opportunity for this segment.
International continued its positive momentum and for the fourth consecutive quarter, we've grown customers and gross profit. We've added over 120,000 net new customers and generated International gross profit of $104 million for the second quarter, up $3 million or 4%. Q2 local gross profit was $67 million, up $1 million or 2%.
And Q2 Goods gross profit was $28 million, up $4 million or 19%. International Q2 gross profit per customer on a trailing 12 month basis was $25.24, up 10% as reported. In the second quarter, on a consolidated basis, marketing expense was $94 million, down $6 million or 6%.
In North America, Q2 marketing expense was down $12 million, and order discounts were down another $15 million, as we continue to refine the targeting of customers we acquire and retain within our payback period.
In the short-term, our focus is on generating more value from our existing customer base in North America, rather than materially growing the base.
Over the long-term as we grow gross profit per customer, increase the depth and breadth of local supply and enhance the customer experience, we believe there is a significant opportunity to both grow the number of customers and increase the share of wallet from those customers.
In International, Q2 to marketing was up $6 million or 25%, which helped drive the International gross profit growth we experienced in the quarter.
SG&A excluding the impact of IBM, which I’ll discuss in a moment for the second quarter was $219 million, down $11 million or 5%, reflecting the success of our ongoing efficiency efforts, which exceeded our expectations.
During the third quarter, a jury in the IBM matter returned the verdict finding the company willfully infringed IBM's patents and awarded damages of $82.5 million to IBM. We intend to seek to overturn the verdict and reduce damages through post trial motions and appeal.
Associated with this verdict we've taken a one-time charge of $75 million, which takes into account our previous accrual for this case. Moving on to free cash flow, it's important to highlight the free cash flow potential of our business model.
With strong flow-through from adjusted EBITDA and we continue to expect that free cash flow will grow materially over time. In the second quarter on a trailing 12 month basis, we generated over $145 million in free cash flow and expect to generate approximately $200 million for the full year 2018, excluding any potential impact from IBM.
On liquidity, we ended the quarter with $663 million in cash, in addition to our $250 million undrawn revolver. Keep in mind, when you look at the change in our cash balance from March 31st, we utilize $58 million of cash with the purchase of Vouchercloud during Q2.
With regards to the third quarter, we expect revenue to be approximately $600 million and gross profit to be between $315 million and $32 million, which reflects a year-over-year improvement as compared to the third quarter last year.
With North America expected to be flat year-over-year and the anticipated gross profit dollar growth coming from International. We expect to increase marketing in Q3 as compared to Q2 driven by ongoing investment in International customer acquisition.
On SG&A given the success of our efficiency measures, we would now expect lower expenses in Q3 versus Q2. In total, we expect Q3 adjusted EBITDA in the high $40 million range.
Moving on the guidance for 2018, we are reiterating our full year 2018 adjusted EBITDA expectation of $280 million to $290 million, which reflects our results to date, continued improvements in gross profit trends as the year progresses and operational efficiency.
In summary, with the investments we are making and enhancing the customer experience, building out the Groupon platform, unlocking International’s potential and continued rigor around operational efficiencies, we continue to believe we are on a path for a multi-year adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow growth.
With that, let me turn the call back over to Rich..
Thanks, Mike.
The second quarter demonstrated the continued progress we’re making toward long-term success, with our continued focus on an amazing customer experience, extending the strength and effectiveness of our platform, continuing our encouraging progress in International and focusing on operational excellence, we believe our investments will deliver strong returns over time and more immediately, across the second half of 2018.
Of course as I always do with thanks to the Groupon team for their commitment to our mission, the customers, the merchants and to our local communities, which continue to drive us forward? Now let’s take some questions..
[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from a line of Eric Sheridan with UBS. Your line is open..
Thanks so much for taking the question.
Maybe going back to slide 12 on the marketing, just wanted to stay on a little bit of what you've learned as you sort of deemphasized and reemphasized certain channels on the marketing side, how you’re tracking against that time to payback 12 months to 18 months, that you’ve talked a fair bit about? And how we should think about dollar spent on marketing, feeding into either user growth or gross profit dollar growth as we look maybe even past 18 long-term? Thanks so much..
Sure, sure. So, you know as we think about marketing, our overall thought and viewpoint around marketing has continued to be that we should be targeting a 12 months to 18 months pay back and we look at that on the margin and that's been our thought for the last couple of years, it continues to be our thought and I would expect that going forward.
So, with that one of the things that we’re always aiming to do is improve the analytics, improve the granularity around our investing of marketing dollars, such that you know we have the ability to ensure we're getting as much efficiency out of each marketing dollar deployed.
So, what we’ve continued to do particularly over the last year was just be able to develop deeper granularity in our marketing, which has giving us the ability to identify pockets of efficiency as well as pockets of inefficiency.
And so where there's pockets of inefficiency we’ll actively make that trade-off of not investing a marginal dollar to either acquire or retain a customer.
So, in the short run in North America that obviously is resulting in some modest reduction in net customer counts, but over the long run, we believe that helps us mix into a more valuable mix in terms of gross profit per customer from an overall standpoint so -- and that's kind of the way we're going to think about it is continue to be within a 12 months to 18 months pay back on the margin.
Internationally, what I would highlight there is we're early days in International and so that is the market that is deeply, deeply underpenetrated. So, you really see us leading into that acquiring customers, I would expect customer acquisition to continue at a healthy pace.
What I would also highlight just both between North America and International, we have two goals here; one is obviously to acquire and grow our customer base, but the other goal is to grow the value of that base over time. So, what you see is as we focus our emphasis on marketing, it's ultimately end up with a more valuable base over time.
But if you also look, Eric, at the actions we're taking, whether it’d be adding supply or increasing -- continuing to enhance what we service to customers with a greater focus on gross profit and margin generation and product and supply; all of those are elements, which we think over time have the potential to both increase the value of the base of North America and International.
And I think one of the byproducts of that is one, you end up with more GP from your base. But the other byproduct over the long run is it actually opens up the ability to acquire additional customers more efficiently.
So, what I would say is as I look at customer acquisition specifically over the next couple of quarters as just discussed I think you'll see some of the similar trends in North America and I think you'll see some of the similar trends in International. What I would say over the long run.
I think both in North America and International, I think there's still a lot of opportunity to grow the customer base..
Yeah, Eric, this is Rich, and just to add a fine point on some things, I want to be clear on it as we continue to refine the programs in marketing as Mike described is that what we're not going to do is just invest marketing dollars to grow the customer count, this doesn’t do anything for us.
We're going to invest our marketing dollars to drive gross profit in high quality customers over time and that's the biggest thing that we've improved over the last couple of quarters is our ability to identify that gross profit potential long-term that's what we're going to invest in disproportionately and if that means that we don't invest in either retaining or requiring a customer, it's going to be for the right reasons and that we just don't see the potential for them at this point in time to generate meaningful and reasonable returns within our thresholds..
Thanks so much for the color..
Thanks..
Our next question comes from the line of Tom Champion with Cowen. Your line is open..
Hi, good morning guys. I'm just curious if you could talk a little bit more about the North American gross profit growth and the deterioration in 2Q. I think X order up in Groupon+ growth was up last quarter and maybe just address the trend particularly in local.
Maybe how we should think about it through the balance of the year? Is it going to improve just based on lapping order up or is there something else underlying potentially in improving trend? Thank you..
Sure.
I would just highlight if you think about our first half of the year and we talked about this going back to our very first call in the year, where there were several things that we were focusing on that, we knew we had the potential to create some degree of short-term disruption and no longer having order up, which we think is the right strategic thing to do because we think it's much better to be partnering with the scale player in that space, focusing on growing and emphasizing Groupon+ although that's a short-term headwind and even on Goods optimizing our Goods business where we trade-off some units for a higher margins and higher gross profit.
We realize that has the potential to create some short-term disruption, but what I would indicate is we believe that that disruption is short-term. And I’d point you to the commentary, we gave around the third quarter.
And where we talk in the third quarter, I would highlight that in the prepared commentary, North America we highlight we would expect gross profit to be roughly flat year-over-year in the third quarter. And we really don't fully lap order up until you get into the fourth quarter.
And we really don't – we'll start to see more of the benefit of Groupon+ as we get to the back part of that quarter into the fourth quarter. So, I think what you see in the third quarter is the beginning of a just year-over-year improvement on a sequential basis..
Our next question comes from the line of Brian Fitzgerald with Jefferies. Your line is open..
Thanks guys. 5.1 million G+ credit cards linked that's good. Can you remind us what's the TAM there, is it Groupon members of the credit card in G+ locations, how penetrated are we into that? What type of dynamics are you seeing on the adoption rates there? I think it was 1.1 cards added this quarter is 1.5 last.
And then how do you think about expanding G+ markets? Thanks..
Great. Thanks for that, Brian. From a TAM perspective, I guess, if you were to think about it just in the U.S. or something around 160 million total cardholders last I saw.
But obviously, we’re only in 25 markets to date, so we're working to address a portion of that, but the markets we’re in are the largest markets really in the U.S., so we're going to have access to a really significant number of cardholders is our TAM. You start to expand that to our countries and international where G+ longer term has opportunity.
You're talking about hundreds of millions of cardholder’s total. So, I would see with 5 million cards enrolled we're very early in the game even within our existing customer base.
And I think that's really where we started is with our existing customer base, but I wouldn't limit the potential of the product to just what Groupon currently has because even in a place like the U.S., you know call it we're somewhere in the 10% to 12% range penetrated into the addressable market overall for consumers in the U.S.
So, I think we've got a lot of room to go there. As you mentioned, I think actually adding north of 1 million in cards enrolled Q1 and Q2 is really solid overall and has been in line and in general with where we've been over the last couple of quarters in velocity of adding cards to the program.
And increasingly for us what we're focusing on, disproportionately is really making sure that the Groupon+ experience overall is what it needs to be throughout the funnel. So, when we started obviously we were very focused on getting cards enrolled in the program, very focused on getting initial merchant penetration into the program.
Now as we have those moving into a much healthier zone, we actually have some real scale to play with and learn from. We’re going to be working more and and more deploy across the funnel from enrollment all the way down to redemption.
So, it's not going to be a singular and focused for us as it's been over the last three or four quarters on just enrollments, we’re going to be much more acutely tuned to making sure that we're getting people to not just enroll their cards and really deeply engage in the product, start using it much more frequently as we know they have the potential to do and then continue to scale it up from there.
But I think really you have to look at the total cardholder universe in a country like the U.S. and in the major countries that we operate in in Europe is the real way to think about the TAM..
Great. Thanks Rich..
Thanks, Brian..
Our next question comes from Scott McConnell with D. A. Davidson. Your line is open..
Hi, thanks.
So, first on the IBM case; what will be the ongoing effects of the decision going forward if it stands and you know what Groupon have to pay, things for licensing fee on a go forward basis?.
Yeah, so what I would just highlight there is we continue to believe, we didn't – and we don't infringe on the patents at issue and we fully intend to fight the verdict and overturn it and reduce the damages through post-trial motions and appeal, so, that's our view. You know beyond that I wouldn't comment that I would just refer you to our 10-Q..
Okay, great. Second question would be Google recently changed their algorithm to place a greater emphasis on mobile.
So, you’ve long had a strong mobile product, what has the change in algorithm done to your SEO efforts?.
Thanks for that Scott, I’d say in general anything that biases toward mobile, we like long-term, your point is exactly right. We’ve had a strong mobile presence, we continue to have a strong mobile presence and that's really the only place we focus our product development efforts these days.
So, again I think that benefits us in the long-term with any recent changes on the Google side, we haven't seen a material difference outside of our just ongoing optimization and improvement that we see just day-to-day in our business, so I think there’s not much besides our continued confidence in our mobile footprint that I can share with you at this point..
Great. Thanks..
Thanks, Scott..
Our next question comes from the line of Justin Patterson with Raymond James. Your line is open..
Great. Thanks so much. Rich, I wanted to touch on your earlier comments around investing in a new mobile experience and tease out some of your thoughts there. Actually think about the size and duration of this investment.
What's your hypothesis on how this should effect conversion rate and billing over time? And then related to that, I would love to think about how you’re focused on search and discovery there, especially with full price inventory since.
I find a common question of investors is just really wondering how your – where is the value-added is not that full price sides and things like Live Nation and LV are very well distributed elsewhere. Is there something you're doing with that audience, with your data that's increasing velocity of those sales for that customer base? Thanks so much..
Thanks, Justin, so great question and so I’ll start with the mobile experience and really I think just a Groupon experience overall and how we’re thinking about that. And I think as adaptive we've been in mobile development and I think I mentioned it was the sixth highest rated iOS app of all time.
So, we’re very good at creating, engaging mobile apps and really making an easy to use and rewarding app.
I think though what I’d say is that the vast majority of our efforts have been around designing a really rewarding and high quality app experience around the first generation Groupon product and as good as our app is, based on our customer feedback, it's really been a refinement of that list in feed of deals and really taking that daily deal view of things and making it increasingly easier to sort and filter and all that sort of stuff.
But the fundamentals of that product experience have remained largely intact. I think our hypothesis is as we continue to add catalog scale that experience isn’t built for it.
It's not built for hundreds and hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of thousands of offers or even millions of offers being deployed to a customer and in a way that that enables rapid he can types of experiences that other large scale market places would be catalogs employ.
And so you just look at any of the other major scaled marketplaces and they're much more geared towards search and discovery or he can find high intent behavior. Ours is really have been dealt and biased towards effectively window shopping and really impulse more than it really enabling that high intent he can find type of traffic.
And we have a lot of that traffic in our – you know we see just a sheer number of searches in our app on a monthly basis, and it's a very, very big number. And we don't believe those customers are being as effectively served and they need to be and we think there’s a lot of conversion opportunity in there.
There's a lot of opportunity for us we believe as well to bring the longer tail of the catalog to the front. And that’s both through UI improvements and changes and taking some ecommerce, some well worn ecommerce standards and applying them and just core search experience.
But also in our relevant algorithms and the things that we do and how we use our machine learning to use that data advantage that we have in this space, use that huge corpus of intent data that we have to just better service the best possible offer instead of – in many cases the best possible discount.
So, we need to get opportunity there to just do a different, to do a different version of Groupon for folks that more closely aligns with how, literally tens of millions of people on a monthly basis use our app and unlock their experience on the product. Obviously, a big piece of that is really leveraging the core of what Groupon means to people.
I think one of the things that we see in the market is that there is a misunderstanding of the Groupon brand, when we talk to investors as an example. The Groupon brand in many investors’ eyes is seen as a value brand only, where our brand is synonymous with savings.
While that's true our brand is synonymous with savings, we're one of the – we have one of the highest levels of brand equity in the U.S. for discovery and local.
So, that’s core to our brand for our 50 million customers, is that we help them figure out what to do on the weekend, what to do with their kids, what to do when they’re bored or what new restaurants to try and that's absolutely core to our brand DNA. I just don't think we've done a good enough job, delivering supply and experience to help unlock it.
So, full price offers play a part in that. Our catalog scale play a part in that, so what we do differentially for people is take a high trust experience, a high trust relationship where there's high intent and we deliver great ideas to consumers. And they trust us to do that in a way that a lot of other distribution methods aren’t trusted.
And then we make purchasing seamless in a way that a lot of other destinations or distribution point can't do. And increasingly as you see us invest in ticketing integrations, our third party platform, we enable redemption seamlessness in a way that virtually no one else does at this point.
Especially when you're thinking about in the ticketed landscape, where we have fully mobile and digitized to gain experiences.
So, I think, that we're just on a path to provide a flat out better experience that’s more trusted, across the spectrum of discounts and really our opportunity is to build the front-end of the product in a way that really enables and accelerates that..
Great. Thank you, Rich..
Thanks, Justin..
Our next question comes from the line is Deepak Mathivanan with Barclays. Your line is open..
Hey guys, thanks for taking the question. I know it's early, but can you provide a high level framework to think about it FY 2019 EBITDA. Should we expect trends in gross profit growth and marketing spend to be similar to current levels as we look into next year.
Looking at the cost structure, do you see more opportunities for sort of operating efficiency gains in your models. Thank you..
Yeah, so we haven’t – we’ve obviously only provided guidance through the end of this year, Deepak. So, what I would say as I think just longer term, what are some of the longer term trends that I just see. One is, as we talk about we believe we're on a path to multi-year adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow growth.
And what I would say is, is I expect over time that's going to be comprised of growing gross profit in North America and International. And at the same time, I think that while we will have investments from an SG&A standpoint, we will make those investments where we think there's good pay off on those investments.
We have a strong mindset that we've developed over the last couple of years to continually be looking to drive for efficiency. So, we’ll work to offset as much of those investments over time. But what I would highlight today is we reiterated our guidance of $280 million to $290 million.
But we also provided a little bit more commentary around free cash flow generation. What we highlighted that we would expect for this year to generate around $200 million of free cash flow ex any potential impact from IBM.
And I think that just highlights the flow-through and the potential flow-through in years to come -- grows for the potential of free cash flow of this business to grow..
Right, that's helpful. Thank you..
Thanks, Deepak..
Our next question comes from the line of Matthew Trusz with Gabelli and Company. Your line is open..
Good morning and thanks for taking my question.
Just talk about attrition, how do you feel about the health of your customer base today? How much would you characterize as lower value that you wouldn't mind seeing turn off? As they turn off, can you just discuss the level of rise in gross profit for customer that you're expecting is possible? Thanks..
Yeah, so I’ll start and so you know, the way we think about it, it's pretty mathematical. It's pretty much, what do you spend to acquire or retain a customer relative to the downstream gross profit. So, if we're investing in incremental dollar, we want to obviously make sure, we're getting the return on that incremental dollar.
In North America, what I would say is, I think, one, if you look at the trailing 12 month basis, gross profit per customer was roughly flat year-over-year year.
But I also look at going forward that's flat before you fully have the benefit of all the partnerships and third party supply that we've been continuing to add and are now just starting to implement that's flat before we -- as we've been you know making some trade-offs on Groupon+ that we think has some long-term benefits to us.
That's been flat despite our continued refinements of brand and just overall supply. So, I think all of those have the potential over time to increase gross profit per customer in North America.
I think if you look at kind of a just overall commentary for both North American and International we have talked about throughout the last couple of calls, the expectation that trends will continue to build as the year progresses. And so, I would expect that you continue to see that benefit in gross profit per customer.
I’d also just highlight on International. Over trailing 12 month basis, we saw International gross profit per customer increase by 10% year-over-year and we still have a lot of opportunity, where we're applying elements of the North America playbook, whether it’d be product, supply and marketing analytics.
We think that has a potential for years to come on to both, not only grow gross profit per customer, but also materially and significantly increase the customer base..
Yeah, the only thing I’d add on there, Matt, is that where we've seen and where we’ve talked about in general some headwinds and business [indiscernible], once where we've made strategic decisions to impose them where we're rolling out new products that we believe and we've seen the indicators of potential on to really change the trajectory of customer scale and growth on the platform.
So, those are the things like the trade-offs, associated with Groupon+ and that inherently has some near term headwinds as we trade-off some voucher sales. So, I think within that you see – to my point, a total GP per customer, that's growing overall.
On even – and the total basis, our total customer count is up about a million customer’s year-over-year.
So, I think we're in a pretty solid spot and with what we believe is significant opportunity to make it better over time, especially as we start to see the effects of some of these new products rollout, we’re doing product rollout kick in over time. So, I think we're well positioned to continue to grow.
I think the core message here though is what we're -- the metric we're not as focused on is the specific customer count, given the size of the TAM and trajectory that we're demonstrating, we can push on the GP per customer side.
It's really about refinement and focus and getting products scaled as fast as we can and tapping into the opportunity in a measured and thoughtful way, more than just driving an optical metric that really doesn't drive the business..
Great. Thanks. Just a quick follow-up, there was recent media speculation about your potential interest in selling the company. Is there anything you can comment on as far as your position strategically? Is the company for sale? Thanks..
So, Matt, what I’ll tell you on that front is, look we’re – I think we’re doing some really exciting things in the company and we're expanding our partnerships and at a pace that’s I think really, really encouraging.
We're delivering solid adjusted EBITDA and free cash flow growth in a space that if you look at our guide – where the top-end of our guide on adjusted is 16% year-over-year growth and our free cash flow is something north of 150% year-on-year for my commentary.
So, it's not surprising that we’ve received some expressions of interest on that side as we have from time-to-time in the past. And our board always takes that very, very seriously, but outside of that, we don't really have anything to comment on..
Great. Thanks so much..
Thanks, Matt..
Our next question comes from the line of Chris Merwin with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open..
Okay. Thank you. Just a couple of questions. First, is there a material difference in the average ticket size for a Groupon+ as compared to a traditional Groupon? And if so, has that caused some of the headwinds that you're seeing as you navigate the transition towards Groupon+.
I guess, as related question, are you seeing the same frequency increases for Groupon+ customers today that you initially did, when you were testing the product? Thanks..
Thanks for that Chris, I’ll start and Mike, if you have color, feel free. But there is a difference in ticket size for G+ versus vouchers, but only when you look at it in aggregate and only as an -- really as an output of our decision to bring different types of merchants on via Groupon+ first.
So, the example, just to put a finer point on it, the traditional Groupon voucher product is geared more toward, casual dining to fine dining, where you have a much higher average ticket prices.
But the voucher product hasn’t been as addressable to breakfast, lunch, coffee et cetera, so we made a choice and when we rolled -- when we started to roll-out Groupon+ and we continue to make that choice as we’ve scaled the inventory to bring on more lower ticket price merchants.
So, inherently you're going to have some of that dynamic happening and nearly that is a piece of that headwind as we look to bring high frequency, lower ticket price merchant on in the platform disproportionately at this stage.
Now Groupon+ works well for high ticket price merchants, but we've now decided to make that really the focal point of the product because again we're building for more habitual use, higher frequency and really engraining the behavior to use Groupon to save money on food every single day.
So, it's been a strategic decision to do that, but when we do have a product, when we do have Groupon+ class and the voucher running at the same merchant you don't really see a material difference at this point, we haven't observed a material difference in total ticket price..
The only thing I would also add there in terms of what creates the headwind that you see is, over the last six months and even going on a little bit in the third quarter. Essentially what we have been doing is is encouraging enrollments using site and app assets and encouraging claims, and then ultimately encouraging redemptions.
But as you would encourage an enrollment, as our encourage a claim and use site assets, while you're doing that, you're trading off what would have been a traditional voucher purchase, where you would have earned GP and you would have generated a unit at that moment.
So, what happens is, as the – what we expect as the year progresses is we will start to get the benefit of that ramp up and redemptions and you don't necessarily have more impression that you used to support Groupon+.
So, one of the things we've talked about in our commentary all along is we have expected this disruption in the first half of the year and we would expect that it's going to continue to build and we'll start seeing the benefits in the back half of the year of Groupon+ and that will -- you'll see that in terms of our overall GP generation and our GP per customer generation over time..
Yeah, Chris and a big piece of that build is that we do to answer your second part of your question. We do continue to see the same kind of repeat purchase frequency behavior from those Groupon+ adopters and we're getting in this later stage, in these more recent period as we did in the beginning.
So, net when you start to redeem on Groupon+ your purchase frequency and redemption frequency Groupon+ continues at a very high rate and much higher than our traditional voucher business..
Okay. Thank you..
Thanks, Chris..
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