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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2016 - Q1
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Executives

Bruce Campbell - President, Chief Executive Officer Rodney Bell - Senior Vice President, Chief Executive Officer, Treasurer.

Analysts

Jason Seidl - Cowen & Co. David Ross - Stifel Nicolaus Ben Hartford - Robert W. Baird Kevin Sterling - BB&T Capital Markets David Campbell - Thompson Davis Todd Fowler - Keybanc Capital Jack Atkins - Stephens Vanck Zhu - Wolfe Research Art Hatfield - Raymond James.

Operator

Thank you for joining Forward Air Corporation’s First Quarter 2016 Earnings Release conference call. Before we begin, I’d like to point out that both the press release and this call are accessible on the Investor Relations section of Forward Air’s website at www.forwardair.com.

With us this morning are Chairman, President and CEO, Bruce Campbell, and Senior Vice President and CFO, Rodney Bell. By now, you should have received a press release announcing first quarter 2016 results, which were furnished to the SEC on Form 8-K and on the wire yesterday after market close.

Please be aware this conference call may contain forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995, including statements among others regarding the company’s expected future financial performance.

For this purpose, any statements made during this call that are not statements of historical facts may be deemed to be forward-looking statements. Without limiting the foregoing, words such as believes, anticipates, plans, expects and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements.

You are hereby cautioned that these statements may be affected by the important factors among others set forth in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission and in the press release issued yesterday, and consequently actual operations and results may differ materially from the results discussed in the forward-looking statements.

The company undertakes no obligation to update publicly any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. Now I’ll turn the conference over to Rodney Bell, CF and Senior Vice President of Forward Air. Please go ahead..

Rodney Bell

LTL expedited, which includes our legacy airport-to-airport, service, our Forward Air Complete pick-up and delivery offering, and lastly other accessorial services primarily provided at the terminal level.

Next is our truck load expedited segment, which combines our TLX expedited full truckload service with our TQI full truckload offering, which today primarily services the pharmaceutical industry. Full distribution is our Forward Air solution segment, which was previously broken out separately so nothing has changed there.

Lastly is our new segment breakout of central states that for financial reporting we refer to as our intermodal segment. Given our growth plans, we thought it important to begin showing CST as its own reporting segment. Q2 and Q4 for 2015 in the recast format have been made available yesterday via an 8-K filing.

Now moving on to the first quarter results. LTL expedited revenues increased $12.1 million or 9.9%. This growth continued to be primarily the result of the acquisition of Towne, which closed March 9 of last year. Also positively impacting tonnage was the February 1 change in our dimensional factor.

This change resulted in an increase in our billable tonnage. Network tonnage was up 8.4% while all-in yield was essentially flat, coming in at a negative 0.3% as compared to Q1 a year ago.

The breakout of that yield was the change in the yield consists of 2.2% from improved line haul pricing ,a negative 2.2% from lower year-over-year net fuel surcharge, and minus 0.3% resulting from Forward Air Complete.

Our Complete attachment percentage was down 4.7% on a year-over-year basis as a result of fewer large distributions; however, we have started to see that pick up in Q2. Our operating ratio improved 50 basis points to 87.3, which grew a 14.8% increase in our offering income.

Included in those results was approximately $700,000 in non-recurring costs under our other operating expense line item. Moving to truckload expedited, revenues were $38.6 million and $4.1 million, an 11.9% increase compared to Q1 a year ago. Operating income was $1.6 million compared to $3.2 million a year ago.

This resulted primarily due to TLX having higher initial costs associated with new business coming on board, while TQI continued to struggle to replace lost business. Our pull distribution segment revenues were $33.2 million, up $6 million and 22.1%. Operating income was essentially flat compared to the prior year quarter.

The intermodal segment revenues increased $1.6 million and 7% to $24.6 million. Our operating ratio improved 110 basis points to 90.2 while operating income increased 20% to $2.4 million. At the consolidated level, revenues increased $23.6 million and 11.5% to $229.5 million as compared to Q1 a year ago.

Earnings per share was $0.43 compared to an adjusted $0.40 last year, and as you recall, that $0.43 was also at the midpoint of our guidance this quarter. Moving on to guidance for the second quarter, we expect revenue growth to be in a range of 1 to 5%. In Q2 a year ago, we were still in the process of evaluating the majority of the Towne revenue.

Over the course of the quarter and into Q3 last year, we parted ways with the business that we were unable to get to our minimum yield requirements, so that’s what’s going on with the prior year comparison. We expect income per diluted share to be in a range of $0.57 to $0.61 as compared to $0.51 a year ago.

Assumed in that range is a 6% negative impact from lower year-over-year net fuel surcharges. That concludes our comments. Now back to the operator for your questions..

Operator

[Operator instructions] Our first question is from the line of Jason Seidl, Cowen. Please go ahead..

Jason Seidl

Hey gentlemen, good morning.

How are you?.

Rodney Bell

Good Jason, how are you?.

Jason Seidl

I can’t complain. Wanted to talk a little bit about the broader macro picture, if you will. Obviously a lot of the pure play trucking companies are taking down expectations. Even some of the rails are talking about weaker than anticipated volumes for 2Q, although I think their cost cutting is helping.

What’s your take on the macro and where we’re at, at this stage?.

Bruce Campbell

The best answer, Jason, is we don’t know..

Jason Seidl

Well, that’s my answer.

Come on - you can’t steal that one!.

Bruce Campbell

When we talk to our customers, it’s all over the board. So we have some customers who are doing great and who think the economy is wonderful, and we have others who things aren’t as rosy.

I think the biggest soft spot we see today is at our intermodal business - that has definitely slowed down, and especially when you compare it to a year ago with the west coast interruptions, port interruptions. So that’s a lot of words to say it’s softer. It’s certainly not alarming, but it’s softer..

Jason Seidl

On the intermodal weakness, is part of that is just comparisons, or do you think some of this is that diesel is so cheap, truck prices are falling, and it’s getting tougher to get some of that transactional business that may have been there in the past. .

Bruce Campbell

I’m not sure if freight has been diverted from intermodal. Without question, the comps’ a little bit more difficult, but also we’ve got questions--it’s just simply slower..

Jason Seidl

Okay, that’s fair. Kind of piggybacking on that, when you guys bought Towne, I think everyone got real excited that, all right, now the aggressive pricer is taken out of the marketplace, you guys are going to be going there and start to take pricing up finally, being the 900-pound gorilla, if you will, for lack of a better word in the space.

Is just a slow market really curtailing the opportunity to do that, and once it turns around we should start seeing that going forward?.

Bruce Campbell

Well, I think our number one goal is to make sure our customer stays in business, so we don’t want to price him out of the market. Secondly, when we did our dim change back effective in February, that in essence was a rate increase, but it was a rate increase on the proper freight.

So if you had good freight before, you weren’t penalized, but if you had floppy freight, as we call it, you were going to take an increase. So I don’t think you’re going to see us play like the 900-pound gorilla. We’re simply going to continue to improve the efficiencies that we gained from the Towne acquisition and continue to drive that number down.

We actually had March, the best month we’ve ever had, so we’re really pleased with where they’re at and where they’re going..

Jason Seidl

Okay, and how does April look from March?.

Bruce Campbell

So this is how April is. Here’s the last three tonnage, if this will help you. So on Wednesday, we were plus 10; on Thursday, we were minus 10 in terms of tonnage, and today we’re flat. So if you can draw something from that, go for it..

Jason Seidl

Got it, so a totally clear picture for you there..

Bruce Campbell

Exactly..

Jason Seidl

Understood. Well listen, gentlemen, I really appreciate the time as always..

Bruce Campbell

Thanks..

Operator

Next question is from the line of David Ross, Stifel. Please go ahead..

David Ross

Yes, good morning gentlemen..

Rodney Bell

Morning..

David Ross

Rodney, could you talk a little bit about the negative impact from the lower fuel surcharges? Six cents seems like a fairly big hit for something that is in theory a pass-through..

Rodney Bell

Well, it’s really not, David, and it really never has been.

We’ve always made [indiscernible] on fuel and the way that mechanism works, essentially we’re paying our drivers--not essentially, we are paying our drivers on a per-mile basis, so that’s relatively a fixed cost, if you will, and then we’re charging our customers on a percentage of the their bill, so it’s an opportunity if you’re being efficient loading your trailers to leverage that fixed cost and make money on fuel.

Now, that six cents that we have in the guidance, it’s conservative. There could be some wiggle room there, depending on fuel has kind of firmed up in the last couple of weeks, but I’ve given up predicting what oil is going to do and what diesel fuel is going to do, because it bites me every time. So that’s the reason for that six cents. .

David Ross

In terms of sensitivity around that, if we end the quarter in May/June, say, up 10% from current fuel price levels, would that negative headwind go away?.

Rodney Bell

It certainly helps it. I don’t know that it totally goes away, at that 10%, that is..

David Ross

Yeah, and then if we could talk about pull just for a second. It looks like you had more business in the quarter, which is a good thing, but less profit, which is a bad thing.

Is there on-boarding costs associated with that new business that’s kind of masking some of that margin improvement, and you expect it later in the year?.

Rodney Bell

There was really a few things going on with pull this quarter. One is exactly what you said - the on-boarding of the new business that came on. We had a competitor go out of business late in the year, and they didn’t bring all of that business on until the first of the year, so there was some on-boarding costs.

We were a little slower downsizing coming out of peak than we wanted to be, so there was some additional cost there. And unfortunately, we had some equipment damage that took place in Q4 that we didn’t know about until Q1, that we had to recognize. We had modeled solutions to make a penny, and essentially they were flat for the quarter..

David Ross

And equipment damage, is that trailers, tractors, or sortation equipment at the terminals?.

Rodney Bell

It was two leased tractors that were totaled, and unfortunately nobody told anybody about it..

David Ross

Gotta love it. Thank you very much..

Operator

Next question is from the line of Ben Hartford, Baird. Please go ahead..

Ben Hartford

Hey, good morning guys. So Bruce, around Towne, kind of lapping the one-year mark or so, how pleased are you with the progress that you guys have made of late, and you talked about March being a strong operational month with regard to Towne.

When you think about what you guys have in your control with regard to Towne, is there the opportunity to continue to drive maybe upside to expectations internally/externally from the better balance, better overall execution within that expedited LTL business as we move through the year, independent of the macro?.

Bruce Campbell

Well, we certainly hope so. Here’s what we looked to get out of Towne when we bought them. One was we wanted to retain 65 to 70% of the revenue. We knew unless we wanted to go to low-yielding traffic, we wouldn’t be able to keep the other 30%, and we were okay with that. The second thing we wanted to get was line haul efficiencies.

We’re running one trailer out of one city rather than two that were run previously. All of those things - the yield improvements, the line haul improvements and that, took time to do, longer than we thought.

But we saw in the first quarter was we were exactly where we needed to be, so we’re encouraged about what’s going to happen there for the balance of the year. The expedited LTL group is on a roll. .

Ben Hartford

In that vein, as we think about Amazon and some of the news over the past several quarters with regard to them specifically, and just B2C generally, how much of a risk do you see to a large ecommerce player coming in and absorbing more of their own line haul capacity, relative to your model and your customers?.

Bruce Campbell

You know, we handle, obviously, ecommerce activity all the time, and the giant--if we didn’t handle as much as we do today, and especially during the holidays, I don’t think any of us would lose sleep over that. It’s very difficult business to handle..

Ben Hartford

Okay, good. Thanks for the time, guys..

Operator

Next question is from the line of Kevin Sterling, BB&T. Please go ahead..

Kevin Sterling

Gentlemen..

Bruce Campbell

Morning..

Kevin Sterling

Bruce, I was looking at your yields. You are getting some really nice pricing in a sloppy freight environment. You listen to the truckers and they’re all just crying the blues. I assume the bulk of that is re-pricing the Towne book of business.

Is dim-weight pricing attributing that, or is that to come?.

Bruce Campbell

Dim weight--when we changed dims, Kevin, that doesn’t change the yield, it changes the weight, so that has no impact on yields. You know, again we went through a year-long process, it seemed like a forever process to get this traffic properly priced, if you will, and some of it we lost obviously, but a lot of it we retained.

We’re right where we need to be..

Kevin Sterling

Good, good. Some of that business you lost, I know you didn’t mind it walking because I’m sure it was losing money in some of your lanes.

Have you seen some of it come back possibly, maybe because of poor service elsewhere?.

Bruce Campbell

We have. It’s kind of interesting - that typically is what happens when we lose business over prices. It sooner or later will come back, and in some cases that’s what’s happened..

Kevin Sterling

Are you getting pushback on your dim initiative, or do shippers understand that? Because the parcel guys are doing it, the LTL guys are going it, it’s becoming pretty standard, but are you getting pushback?.

Bruce Campbell

Yeah, I think you’re exactly right. Everybody has jumped on that bandwagon. Our team did a terrific job. I had two concerns. One was we’d get immediate pushback, and then the second one was we would get 40 days later when bills or invoices came in, they’d all be short paid, and we didn’t have any of that. It was really well executed by our team..

Kevin Sterling

Great. Last question here, it looks like you guys have a decent M&A pipeline.

Are you seeing valuations come in some with some of the challenges the truckers are seeing and all the regulations that are coming down the pike?.

Bruce Campbell

Yeah, we have. They’re definitely down..

Kevin Sterling

Okay, well good. Thanks for your time and congrats on a solid quarter in a challenging environment..

Bruce Campbell

Thanks..

Operator

Next question is from the line of David Campbell, Thompson Davis & Company. Please go ahead..

David Campbell

Bruce, I just wanted to ask you, in answer to another question about Amazon, you said that you wouldn’t lose any sleep over the traffic if you lost any.

Is that because it’s all low-yield traffic and you can’t make any money on it?.

Bruce Campbell

It’s not necessarily low yield, it’s just very difficult, and obviously it depends on the product. But we handle a lot of TVs, they're very difficult to handle. They’re very easily damaged. It’s just a tough product to move..

David Campbell

Mm-hmm, right. I guess it would be.

What about the outlook for a truck expedited volume in the second quarter? Do you expect it to be up 2% like the whole company, or--?.

Bruce Campbell

We do..

David Campbell

About the same as the company? Okay..

Bruce Campbell

Yes..

David Campbell

So that’s really not bad. I mean, it could be a lot worse..

Bruce Campbell

Yeah, we look at it from the positive side, David..

David Campbell

And your margins are going to be better.

There was a non-recurring cost element in the first quarter that you mentioned, Rodney?.

Rodney Bell

That’s correct..

David Campbell

What was that for? Do you know?.

Rodney Bell

It was some professional fees as well as some costs for rebranding across the product lines. Again, it’s non-recurring but it was about a penny and a half..

David Campbell

And is that in the expedited business?.

Rodney Bell

That’s correct..

David Campbell

Okay. Thank you..

Rodney Bell

Thank you..

Operator

Your next question is from the line of Todd Fowler, Keybanc Capital. Please go ahead..

Todd Fowler

Great, thanks. Good morning. I’m not sure if you gave this earlier- I jumped on a little bit late, but did you have the tonnage trends during the quarter? And I heard some comments about April, just on a couple of days.

Do you have kind of where April’s been trending and maybe what you’re expecting for 2Q?.

Rodney Bell

Todd, yeah. We haven’t given that actually, and this would be--okay, January was 15%, February was up 27%, and March was down 8% and doing slightly better than that--right around that 8 mark so far into April..

Todd Fowler

I’m sorry - up 8 in April?.

Rodney Bell

Oh, it’s negative 8..

Todd Fowler

On the tonnage side?.

Rodney Bell

Yeah, and that’s--and as we mentioned in the release, when we bought Towne, we brought over pretty much all the business until we had an opportunity to evaluate it, and then there was a culling of business that wasn’t meeting our yield expectations..

Todd Fowler

Okay, so Rodney, what do you have factored into the guidance for tonnage for the second quarter?.

Rodney Bell

Minus 10..

Todd Fowler

Okay, that helps. Okay.

Then Bruce, just on the change in pricing with the dim, so how should we see that in the numbers then as we move through the year? I mean, is it reasonable to think that yields are going to be up in that 2 to 3% range going forward, and then we get the adjustment kind of on the tonnage side, or is there anything else that really should start to come through on the yield as you move through the year?.

Bruce Campbell

At this point, we don’t anticipate any additional yield changes, if you will, factors that will increase it. The only big thing that could increase it would be fuel, and if fuel starts to run back up, we would be overjoyed..

Todd Fowler

Okay, which we’ve seen a little bit, so. I don’t want to ask something that I know the answer to, but I’d just appreciate your comments on this.

At this point, is the network pretty cleaned up from bringing on the Towne freight from a network standpoint? I mean, is it running the way you want it to be running, and how do we think about the margin progression if you’re kind of through cleaning up the business and you’ve got the network where it should be, how should margins progress as you move through the rest of ’16 and maybe into ’17, if you want to comment on that?.

Bruce Campbell

I think you’re going to continue to see it improve. You know, we really had validation based on our operation in March. The big cost we watch, obviously, is purchase transportation.

We probably set a record with that during March on how efficient they were, so we think those trends will continue through the balance of the year and hopefully get a little bit better..

Todd Fowler

And what’s the mix of outside capacity versus owner-operators now?.

Bruce Campbell

You know, our recruiting team has done such a good job. We’re down to between 5 and 7% of outside carriage..

Todd Fowler

Whoa - okay. .

Bruce Campbell

And that basically is due to out-of-balance and not the lack of drivers..

Todd Fowler

Okay, okay.

Then just the last one - with the change in the segment presentation and thinking about growth going forward, where would you kind of suggest that you would see maybe the most growth, either organically or inorganically over the next couple of years out of the new segments that you have from a presentation standpoint?.

Bruce Campbell

Well I think as Rodney mentioned during his comments, we segregated the intermodal business due to that reason, and that’s the one we’re going to really push to grow..

Todd Fowler

And are there acquisition opportunities there, or is that organic?.

Bruce Campbell

Yeah, there are. There are surprisingly a number of them, so we’re on that road as we speak..

Todd Fowler

Okay, very helpful. Thanks for the time this morning, guys..

Bruce Campbell

Thank you..

Operator

Next question was from Scott Group from Wolfe. Sir, if you still have a question, please press star, one at this time. I just want to remind other participants also, if you have a question at this time, press star then one. Jack Atkins of Stephens, please go ahead..

Jack Atkins

Good morning, guys. Thanks for the time.

Rodney, I guess just kind of going back to second quarter guidance, what does the guidance assume in terms of core line haul yield changes year-over-year?.

Rodney Bell

Year-over-year, Jack, on the low end 4%, on the high end 6%..

Jack Atkins

Okay.

Is that an acceleration from what you saw in the first quarter?.

Rodney Bell

It is a bit..

Jack Atkins

And what’s driving that? Is that just more traction with some of the yield initiatives that you put in place towards the end of last year?.

Rodney Bell

It is some of that, and then the fact that the current year has that lower yielding Towne in the mix..

Jack Atkins

Yeah, okay. That makes sense.

Then in terms of the dim factor changes, could you maybe comment on sort of how much of your expedited LTL business from a tonnage perspective that that dim factor really applied to, and I guess what sort of--and I’m sure it’s hard to quantify, but what sort of impact did that have in the quarter in terms of incremental tonnage to the system?.

Rodney Bell

Sure, Jack. You know, on any given day it’s impacting about 17, 18% of our network freight. In terms of tonnage, it’s improved tonnage, call it 4%..

Jack Atkins

Okay, and were there some larger customers that perhaps maybe it didn’t apply to immediately, that over time you expect to maybe get on board with that dim weight change, and what does that do to that?.

Rodney Bell

There were very few exceptions, Jack, but a couple of them by mid-quarter, everybody will be on board the program..

Jack Atkins

Okay, great. I know you guys--it looks like you guys bought back a fair amount of stock in the quarter, about $10 million worth. Can you talk about capital allocation going forward, because you guys did a great job generating cash flow.

Are you thinking about being more regular purchasers of your own stock, or is that just sort of an opportunistic thing?.

Rodney Bell

No, it’s really more regular, Jack. We’ve got a 10b5-1 plan in place. The last couple of quarters we’ve bought back $10 million worth of stock. That’s always subject to the input from the board. We’ll talk about that at our board meeting in May. I wouldn’t anticipate that changing, but that could change.

But before we get to share repurchases, M&A is the number one priority, and more specifically to Bruce’s point, the opportunities that we have using CST as a platform - good pipeline there, and that’s the number one use of cash. But to your point, we’re generating a lot of cash and there’s no reason that we can’t do both..

Jack Atkins

Absolutely.

Last question - what was the quarter ending share count, if you have that, Rodney, diluted share count?.

Rodney Bell

30.6 million. .

Jack Atkins

Okay, thanks..

Operator

Next question is from the line of Scott Group, Wolfe. Please go ahead..

Vanck Zhu

Good morning, guys. It’s actually Vanck Zhu on for Scott.

How are you guys doing?.

Bruce Campbell

Good, and you?.

Vanck Zhu

Pretty good. Wondering if we can start by drilling down a little bit more into the macro environment.

So any end markets of particular strength or weakness right now?.

Bruce Campbell

That’s--I’m not evading your question, it’s just a really hard question to answer. We don’t see any particular vertical just off the cliff either way. We just see that it has slowed down a little bit.

Some of this could be the Easter effect, which was earlier obviously this year than a year ago, so again as we said earlier, we don’t think it’s an alarming situation. But you know, it’s just not as vibrant as it has been..

Vanck Zhu

Okay, and in terms of month, I guess, tonnage, we saw a decrease in March because of an acquisition.

Do you have any views as to the trends in second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter?.

Bruce Campbell

Do you have that, Rodney?.

Rodney Bell

Yeah..

Vanck Zhu

I guess it’s more forward-looking, just expectations for our second quarter, third quarter, fourth quarter. I know that some of the business that was formerly in Towne went away because of yield, a focus on yield, so..

Rodney Bell

Yeah, right now we’ve got it modeled to be a negative 10% tonnage decline in Q2. That should abate some in Q3, but there was some continued off-boarding of lower yielding business. I’d rather wait until we get a little bit further down the line to really speculate on Q3, but it should be less than Q2..

Vanck Zhu

Okay, and with the volume decline, you can still expect to see margin improvement?.

Rodney Bell

Yeah, there’s a couple of things going on. Like we mentioned, the business that we did lose year-over-year was low yielding business, in some cases business that we were losing money on. The other thing is the rate adjustments that we did in late Q3, we’re still getting the benefit of that, and then the impact of the dim change.

So yeah, there should be margin expansion even on flat and even on declining volumes..

Vanck Zhu

Okay.

Just to follow up on the dim pricing, how is that sticking and what benefit did you see in 1Q from that?.

Rodney Bell

Sure. As Bruce mentioned earlier, it was received very well. We’re dimming about 17, 18% of our freight, total network freight, and the positive impact on a year-over-year basis is about a 4% increase in tonnage. So it’s been very successful..

Vanck Zhu

Okay.

Could you speak about what your expectations are for margins, annual margins for each of your segments, your new business segments?.

Rodney Bell

Sure, Vanck. We’re targeting--for the LTL expedited, we’re targeting an 86 OR. We think we can do a little bit better than that, but that’s what we’re targeting thus far for central states, OR of, call it 88 or 88.5, in that range. For the expedited truck load group, they should operate at a 90, and then solutions for the year should operate at a 95..

Vanck Zhu

Okay, great. One last question - just wondering if you could speak about ELDs, what percentage of your owner-operators currently have ELDs and what’s the timing to get you 100%, and I guess also what kind of impact of capacity..

Bruce Campbell

We’re at 100% today. We implemented ELDs four years ago now, because if you’re not a cheating trucking company, ELDs will actually help make you more efficient. But if you’re a cheater, you’ll get caught, so we’re in great shape there..

Vanck Zhu

Okay, great. Thanks for your time, guys..

Operator

Our next question is from the line of Art Hatfield, Raymond James. Please go ahead..

Art Hatfield

Morning Bruce, Rodney. Just one question from me, and I apologize - I got on a few minutes late and you may have addressed this, and if not, you may or may not be able to answer it. My quick question is this - you had mentioned, Rodney, that you’re modeling about 10% down tonnage in Q2.

Any thoughts on what that would look like ex-the culling of the Towne business, and kind of what--I don’t know, for lack of a better word, what organic tonnage is looking like in the quarter?.

Rodney Bell

Yeah Art, I had that question yesterday evening and I’ll answer the same way. Our guess, albeit an educated guess, is flat to slightly up from an organic perspective, but there are so many moving parts with Towne in the mix, you’re dealing with the same lanes, a lot of the same customers, so it’s very difficult to answer that question.

But our sense is slightly up..

Art Hatfield

Okay, no I appreciate that. I figured as much, but I just wanted to see if there were any kind of big deviations from what was going on just broadly from an economic perspective. Thanks for the time..

Rodney Bell

Yes sir..

Operator

Thank you. We have no further questions in queue at this time. .

Bruce Campbell

Great, thanks..

Operator

That does conclude Forward Air’s first quarter 2016 earnings conference call. Please remember the webcast will be available on the IR section of Forward Air’s website at www.forwardair.com shortly after the call. You may now disconnect. Have a good day..

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