Eric M. Cerny - IR Kosta N. Kartsotis - Chairman and CEO Dennis Secor - EVP, CFO and Treasurer.
Erinn Murphy - Piper Jaffray Omar Saad - ISI Group Anna Andreeva - Oppenheimer Rick Patel - Stephens Ike Boruchow - Sterne Agee Dorothy S.
Lakner - Topeka Capital Markets Lorraine Hutchinson - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Barbara Wyckoff - CLSA John Kernan - Cowen & Company Matt McClintock - Barclays Ed Yruma - Keybanc Capital Markets Randy Konik - Jefferies & Co. .
Good day and welcome to the Fossil Group Q3 Earnings Fiscal 2014 Conference Call. As a reminder, today's conference is being recorded, and at this time, I'd like to turn the conference over to Eric Cerny, Investor Relations. Please go ahead, sir..
Thank you. Good afternoon, everyone. Thank you for joining us and welcome to Fossil Group's third quarter 2014 earnings conference call. I'd like to remind you that information made available during this conference call contains forward-looking information and actual results could differ materially from those that will be projected during this call.
Fossil Group's policy on forward-looking statements and additional information concerning a number of factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from such statements is readily available in our Form 10-K and 10-Q reports filed with the SEC.
In addition, the Company assumes no obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise, except as required by law. Please note that you may listen to a live webcast or replay of this call by visiting fossilgroup.com, under the Investors section.
Now, I would like to turn the call over to the Company's Chairman and CEO, Kosta Kartsotis..
Thank you and good afternoon everyone. Joining us today is Dennis Secor, our Chief Financial Officer. We will begin today's call with some prepared remarks and then open the call to answer any questions you have. The third quarter marked another strong period for our Company.
We reported better than expected top and bottom line results, advanced many of the strategic initiatives that we expect will continue our favorable performance in the future, and returned value to shareholders by capitalizing on our strong balance sheet and executing our share repurchase program.
As you know, our overarching goal is to consistently deliver profitable top line growth while investing in high return initiatives that can fuel our momentum over the long-term. We believe 2014 is shaping up to represent a year of progress towards this objective.
For the quarter, sales increased 10%, reflecting growth across all regions with Europe and Asia leading the way. Europe's solid performance for the quarter reflected balanced growth with all major markets increasing over last year.
In our most matured market, North America, we were pleased with the sequential improvement in the growth rate for the region. Clearly our unique assortments, creative designs and compelling brands, all contributed to the performance and positioned us to achieve continued market share gains going forward.
Globally, we continued to see the strongest gains in watches and jewelry. Once again, watches led our volume growth, increasing double-digits in our FOSSIL and SKAGEN lifestyle brands as well as our multi-brand watch portfolio.
Across category, jewelry delivered the highest growth rate driven by MICHAEL KORS and it reflects our ability to continuously innovate and capitalize on the growing importance of branded jewelry around the world.
As we have mentioned previously, jewelry shares many of the characteristics of watches and is a category we can grow meaningfully, leveraging the synergies of our design, production and global distribution capabilities. We are focused on optimizing this important category for the coming years.
We were encouraged by the leather handbag performance for FOSSIL as the appeal of a new full-price women's handbag assortment translated into improved performance for the category in our stores.
SKAGEN benefitted from the launch of a new handbag assortment, a newly redesigned Web-site and two new high-profile retail locations opening during the quarter, resulting in a 24% growth for the brand for the quarter.
Operationally, we leveraged our strategic advantages and drove efficiencies in our structure, and through disciplined expense management we leveraged expenses while still investing in customer facing initiatives.
Combined with sales that were better than planned and our continued commitment to share repurchase, we delivered earnings per share that exceeded our expectations and increased substantially over last year to $1.96 a share.
The quarter included many noteworthy highlights that we expect to build upon to enhance our growth in the fourth quarter and beyond. First, we grew our own lifestyle brands. The FOSSIL brand grew modestly during the quarter, led by double-digit wholesale watch growth in all regions.
FOSSIL's strongest growth was once again in Asia where we have been working hard to expand our distribution. In Europe, we opened our first flagship store in Frankfurt in a high-profile location with the largest opening day in the history of the brand.
We think this store, given the premier location in a major tourist destination, will further advance our brand position in the region and incorporate new elements that will enhance the customer's interaction with the brand.
Regarding our leathers business, while the overall category declined, we are seeing several positive indicators in our women's handbags and believe the business is much healthier today than it was at this time last year.
While we still have work to do to improve the total category, particularly in men's and small leather goods, we are pleased with the traction we are gaining in the most significant segment of the category, women's handbags, where we posted positive comps in our full-price accessory stores.
So while it is still early, the encouraging performance of the category reflects our elevated design aesthetic and more prominent placements in key department stores given the expansion of our Shop-In-Shop program.
Our goal is to continue building on the positive performance during the holiday season with our updated collection that's been well-received by our wholesale partners and customers alike. We are very excited about SKAGEN where our business accelerated in all regions during the quarter.
Watches and jewelry posted strong double-digit gains and we launched the brand's first assortment of handbags, with the performance exceeding our expectations in our SKAGEN retail stores. We opened two new important stores, one in Frankfurt, Germany, and the second in Times Square of New York City, both of which are off to a strong start.
These stores, along with the remodelled stores in London, allow us to showcase the full array of products in an environment that represents the true image of the brand.
We also launched our redesigned SKAGEN Web-site which incorporates rich brand and lifestyle content, and an increase in digital presence for SKAGEN is bringing greater awareness and interest to this contemporary Danish brand with a solid ROI. And second, we saw a continued strength in our multi-brand watch portfolio.
We delivered a solid 12% increase for the quarter, benefiting from the performance of several brands within the portfolio. The diversity of our portfolio of important lifestyle brands continues to be a very strong competitive advantage.
The growth of the portfolio during the quarter continued to be balanced geographically, with double-digit increases in Europe and Asia and solid growth in the Americas. MICHAEL KORS once again performed very well during the quarter, as the brand continues to gain significant momentum in many of our international markets.
In addition, ARMANI and DIESEL were key contributors in the growth of the portfolio. Our goal is to continue to push all of our brands to reach their full potential. And third, we continued to attract new brands and businesses that complement and extend our capabilities on a global basis.
We are very excited about the launch of the Tory Burch collection during the quarter. The feedback has been tremendously positive since the launch, and given the brand already enjoys significant momentum, we are excited to be a part of the future growth for the brand and remain confident that it can be an exciting business for us.
Tory Burch is a great example of the Fashion Swiss opportunity that we have as a company. We think it could be a powerful tool to develop our international business and affords us the opportunity to combine the appreciation for Swiss-made craftsmanship with the lifestyle brands the customers connect with.
In addition, we renewed our MICHAEL KORS licensing agreement for watches and jewelry for 10 years.
We are very proud of what we have been able to accomplish through our partnership with their team, developing a tremendous accessories business for one of the most desirable lifestyle brands in existence today and becoming a disruptive force in the marketplace.
This is a great partnership for both of us, fits well in our business model and we look forward to building on this success in the coming years.
On the wearable technology front, we announced the partnership with Intel during the quarter which will allow us to work with them to identify emerging technologies and to be involved with early-stage development of ideas and concepts that can be used in developing connected fashion accessories.
This is a very exciting category that is rapidly evolving and we are very excited about the potential for our brands to be actively involved in this space.
In addition to our work with Google, the relationship with Intel is another important element of our wearable technology strategy to partner with the best companies in the technology space in a way that enables us to integrate technology into our products to provide improved functionality and the unique branded experience for our fashion customer.
And finally, we achieved growth across all of our regions. The Americas grew 6% during the quarter, with an increase in watch and jewelry shipments to major department stores and to boutiques driving the growth. Our teams have been working with our wholesale partners to ensure that they have sufficient inventory levels to drive their sales plans.
While we are encouraged with the trend during the quarter, we continue to be cautious regarding the current retail environment in the United States. We continued our very strong performance in Europe, a region that is a great reflection of the business executing strategies, as well leveraging the diversity of our brands, channels and categories.
The 16% growth in the region was broadly based as we grew both watches and jewelry and expanded our business in all of our major markets. In watches, FOSSIL and SKAGEN as well as our multi-brand watch portfolio delivered double-digit growth. Jewelry also introduced double digits.
We continue to be pleased with the trends we are seeing in our retail stores where comps have been positive in nearly all of our European markets despite the challenging traffic. In Asia, sales grew 13% overall and we saw double-digit gains in our larger markets of Japan and Australia.
Our Korean business continued to be soft in the quarter, reflecting tepid market conditions in the country.
In China, while sales grew double digits during the quarter, including positive comps in the retail channel, the country is proving to be tougher than we originally thought from a distribution and brand awareness standpoint, in addition to there being a softening retail environment.
Having said that, we remain excited about the opportunity it represents over time given the favorable market demographics. As the middle class emerges and fashion brands begin to displace traditional watch brands, we believe that we are well-positioned to take advantage of the opportunity.
However, in the near term, we see growth being driven by other countries in the region with compelling demographics. India, a newer market for us that we continue to be increasingly excited about, is a great example of this type of market and one where we saw growth of roughly 50% during the quarter.
In many Asia markets, we are investing in creating brand awareness for our brands to support years of future growth. The team is focused on cultivating high-quality distribution throughout the region and developing long-term initiatives such as Fashion Swiss that can serve us well and fuel our advancement in the region.
Within our own stores, we have real opportunity to improve and drive our store productivity and profitability. We also have market penetration opportunity in underutilized channels such as digital and travel retail.
During the quarter, our team made excellent progress in our goal to create efficiencies in the more mature areas of our operating structure to create fuel to drive our growth.
These efforts are vital to our future and create capacity for us to invest in our most important strategic opportunities to accelerate growth in FOSSIL and SKAGEN, build world-class digital capabilities and to leverage the relationships we are building to be a significant player in the wearable space.
As we prepare to enter the all-important holiday season, we feel we are on track to achieve our goals.
Our consistent performance continues to demonstrate the strength of our portfolio of owned and licensed lifestyle brands, the innovation in our designs, the power of our global distribution model and the disciplined execution of our growth strategies by our team.
We continue to expect to capitalize on our strengths as we look to take advantage of the white-space opportunities that exists for our Company across geographies, categories, price points and channels of distribution. We also expect to drive efficiencies in our operating structure as we leverage the investments we have made over the last few years.
All of this positions us well to consistently drive profitable growth into the future. Over the long-term, we are very excited about our future and are well-positioned to deliver sustained growth and outstanding returns to our shareholders. Now I'll ask Dennis to walk us through our performance and outlook before we take your questions..
Thanks, Kosta, and good afternoon everyone. Third quarter net sales grew 10% to $894 million, exceeding our expectations and reflecting sales increases across all of our reported business segments despite a sharp decline in the euro later in the quarter.
We exceeded our earnings expectations as strong sales and disciplined expense management offset lower gross margin, as regional mix benefits were offset by outlet promotions. Sales growth during the quarter came from a very strong performance in Europe, a solid increase in Asia and a sequential improvement in the Americas.
The FOSSIL brand grew 2% driven by a double-digit increase in watches, partially offset by declines in leathers and jewelry. In leathers, while the total category declined given last year's higher clearance volumes, we are now in a much healthier inventory position.
In fact, we continue to experience good reads on the new woman's handbag assortment as the business comped positively in our full-price accessory stores. Jewelry sales in the FOSSIL brand declined during the quarter given our American distribution refinement and significant clearance activity last year in Europe.
SKAGEN sales accelerated during the quarter delivering 24% growth. All three regions drove solid double-digit growth with watches delivering the largest volume increase, jewelry delivering the largest rate increase, and we benefited from the launch of our handbag assortment.
Our recently remodeled stores in London continued to perform very well and we incorporated many of our learnings from those stores in the two flagships we opened in the quarter. Our multi-brand watch portfolio remains very strong, growing 12% in the quarter with strong performances from key brands while some brands were down.
In North America Wholesale, sales increased 6% to $319 million. Our U.S. sales increase drove the region performance and grew as a result of increased shipments to major department stores and boutiques as well as the successful launch of Tory Burch.
We are pleased with the performance in the region during the quarter and are working hard to build on the momentum. Sales to our off-price partners were relatively flat to last year. Our multi-brand watch portfolio delivered the greatest volume improvement for the quarter and jewelry grew nearly 50% while leathers declined.
In Europe Wholesale, sales increased 16% to $242 million, which includes $2 million of favorable currency benefit. Our European growth was driven by high teen growth in both our multi-brand watch portfolio as well as the jewelry category. For FOSSIL, double-digit watch growth was more than offset by declines in leathers and jewelry.
Our growth continued to be balanced geographically as we posted gains in all of our major markets. We posted the strongest sales increases in the U.K., France and Germany. Sales from our Asia Wholesale operations increased 11% to $117 million, which includes a small favorable currency translation impact.
We posted gains in our owned brands as well as our multi-brand watch portfolio. We drove growth across the majority of our markets with particular strength in Japan and India. Wholesale sales in Korea were down as market conditions there remained soft.
While we posted a strong increase in China, our growth rate decelerated from the second quarter as we did not achieve our sales goals in a softening retail environment. We continue to work to expand our distribution in China and develop relationships that we believe will best position us for growth in the region over time.
Sales growth in Asia was driven by increased sales in the wholesale channel, the largest channel in the region. Concession sales grew driven by door expansion, though to a lesser extent than we had anticipated, and we ended the quarter with 318 concessions in the region.
In our Direct to Consumer business, third quarter sales increased 11% to $217 million. Sales growth was driven by store expansion as overall comps were down slightly. Positive comp store sales results in Europe and Asia were offset by a modest decline in North America, primarily driven by the U.S.
stores where improved conversion rates were not enough to offset lower mall traffic. Comp store sales in watches and jewelry were flat during the quarter while sales of leathers decreased slightly.
During the quarter, we opened a net 23 stores, primarily international outlets, where comps have been positive and key FOSSIL and SKAGEN flagships, bringing our Company-owned store count to 581 at quarter end. In the third quarter, gross profit increased 9% to $509 million compared to $465 million last year.
While North American outlet promotions put the greatest pressure on our margins, we were able to offset much of that with the mix benefits that our strong international growth drove. That all resulted in a net 50 basis point decline to 56.9%.
We're very pleased with our expense management during the quarter as we leveraged operating expenses by 40 basis points, 39.6% of sales compared to 40% last year.
As we shared on our last call, our third quarter represented an important point in our investment cycle where we managed infrastructure spending tightly and drove leverage in more mature areas of our business redeploying that capacity to invest in growth initiatives and customer facing activities.
Our operating expenses increased $30 million or 9% to $354 million. The increase was driven by our retail and concession expansion, advertising royalties, brand building for both FOSSIL and SKAGEN, marketing, and customer engagements such as our CRM program.
Operating income increased 10% to $155 million for the quarter, while operating margin declined 10 basis points to 17.3%. Interest expense increased to $1 million to $4 million given our higher debt level. Other income, which relates to net currency contract and account balance gains, totaled $2 million.
Our effective income tax rate for the third quarter was 30.6% compared to 33.2%. So overall, third quarter net income increased 16% to $104 million as higher sales and expense leverage more than offset the modest decline in gross margin.
During the third quarter, we invested $134 million to repurchase 1.3 million shares of our common stock at an average price of about $101 per share. We ended the quarter with $175 million on our existing share repurchase authorization.
In addition to those, our Board of Directors has authorized a new $1 billion share repurchase program that will expire in late 2018. Third quarter earnings per share increased 24% to $1.96 from last year's $1.58 as a result of operating income growth and the benefit of our lower share base.
Now, turning to our cash flows and balance sheet, for the quarter cash flow from operations increased $19 million to $40 million, compared to $21 million a year ago. We ended the quarter with $218 million in cash compared to $229 million last year, and debt of $623 million compared to $483 million a year ago.
We're very pleased with our inventory management. We ended the quarter with inventory of $695 million, a 6% increase over last year. In constant currency, the growth was roughly 8%. Our inventory growth was driven primarily by watches where we have taken strong positions in our best performing brands.
Accounts receivable increased by 10% to $396 million and wholesale DSOs were in line with the prior year. In the quarter, we invested $27 million in CapEx, primarily to support new under-modelled stores along with system investments. Depreciation and amortization expense totaled $25 million for the quarter.
And now moving to our outlook, we're very pleased to have delivered a strong third quarter where sales exceeded our expectations and we generally feel we are on track to meet our sales projections for the year.
Our results continue to demonstrate the value of operating a business model which is nicely diversified across multiple dimensions, geographies, categories, brands, channels and price points. That diversification positions us well to deliver strong results by leveraging the best performing aspects of our business.
With our compelling and differentiated products and brands, we continue to expect strong sales growth coming from our watch and jewelry businesses, with both Europe and Asia poised to gain share.
We remain encouraged by our most recent performance in the Americas and we're working hard to continue our momentum and maintain our full-price stance in the watch category, particularly in department stores and our full-price accessory stores.
Globally, for the fourth quarter we plan to manage our business tightly, control those things that are within our control and protect the long-term integrity of our brands and business. Something that is beyond our control is currency valuations and recent changes in the currency environment will likely affect our results.
Since the last time we provided guidance, the euro has declined sharply. What we had previously expected to be a fourth quarter tailwind will become a strong headwind instead if currencies remain roughly at prevailing rates. In addition to a sales headwind, it will also create pressure on gross margin.
Partially offsetting those combined new headwinds will be lower U.S. dollar expenses and non-operating gains related to our hedge contracts. All-in however, compared to our prior guidance, the net effect of currencies will be to reduce this year's operating earnings, margin and EPS.
And of course if the rates stay where they are, we would expect the sales headwinds to persist for the first three quarters of 2015 and an even greater earnings headwind as current margin pressures would intensify and remain throughout the year.
Given our sales performance, [inaudible] and the current trends we see, we are expecting fourth quarter sales growth to be in the range between 3% and 6%. This includes the impact of the weaker currencies which alone represent about a 250 basis point growth rate headwind from last year.
Our sales expectations also assume a lower volume of off-price sales compared to last year given our current inventory levels and the more significant volumes from a year ago. These assumptions would result in full year sales growth in the range between 8.5% and 9.5%, which includes the extra week from the first quarter.
With respect to gross margin, we do continue to expect strong international growth, and while we are making great strides in our leathers business we anticipate that the bulk of our sales growth will come from both watches and jewelry.
These factors should affect our gross margins favorably but we don't expect that the fourth quarter mix tailwinds will be as strong as we did a quarter ago, given an updated sales mix among brands and categories.
We still expect that promotions will be necessary to compete in the outlet, and on top of that, currencies will also now likely represent a fourth quarter margin headwind. In total therefore we are now planning gross margins that are roughly flat to down for the fourth quarter and flat to slightly down for the full year.
Regarding expenses, we are very proud of the work our team has done to control expenses and drive efficiencies in order to fuel our investments in growth.
Those efforts were certainly reflected in our third quarter results and the entire organization is working tirelessly to continue to optimize our structure to provide capacity for investments in brand building, customer engagement, marketing, demand creation and advertising both our own and our partners.
Just as we did for the third quarter, if fourth quarter sales align with our expectations, we expect to operate with an expense rate that is lower than a year ago. For the full year given our first half expense rate increases, this would result in a full year expense rate that is higher than last year.
As we shared on our last call, we routinely evaluate our real estate portfolio and prune in order to optimize our store fleet. Last quarter we reported expected closures that would result in a $0.10 per share charge either in 2014 or 2015.
We now have better visibility of the timing of that charge and estimate that at least $0.05 per share will be recorded in the fourth quarter. We expect that any amount not recorded in Q4 will be recorded in 2015.
Therefore, for the fourth quarter we are expecting operating margin in the range between 19.8% and 21.3% and full year operating margin in the range between 15.8% and 16.4%. The lower of both these ranges assume we record a full real estate charge in 2014, while the upper end of the range assumes we record only half.
We continue to plan the year with a 31% tax rate. For the fourth quarter, we are expecting EPS in the range between $2.91 and $3.21. For the full year, we now expect EPS in the range between $7 and $7.30. These full year amounts reflect our strong third quarter performance and the impact of our significant third quarter share repurchases.
Our updated gross margin outlook, weaker currencies and our updated view on the timing of real estate charges will offset the benefit. We are assuming that currencies remain roughly at prevailing rates. Finally, we expect annual capital expenditures to be approximately $110 million and annual depreciation and amortization will be roughly $96 million.
Before I turn the call back over to the operator for your questions, we'd like to take this opportunity to invite you to Dallas and join us for an Investor Day in early 2015. While we're still finalizing our calendar, we anticipate this being held shortly after our fourth quarter release in mid-February.
We will be providing additional information soon. We look forward to sharing with you our expectations for 2015 as well as how we see the business and our opportunities over the coming years.
As you've heard us say over the last year, the teams have been hard at work working through strategies and identifying opportunities for the next phase of growth for the Company and we're excited to share our thoughts with you. So now, I'll turn the call back over to the operator for your questions..
(Operator Instructions) We'll take our first question from Erinn Murphy with Piper Jaffray..
Congratulations on the quarter. I was hoping you could speak a little bit more about the North American segment. It's great to see some reacceleration there in the third quarter.
Could you just maybe parse out a little bit more about what drove that improvement as you went throughout the third quarter and then what are your expectations in particular for this segment as we get into the fourth quarter?.
I'll start. We're very pleased to be able to drive acceleration in the American business in the quarter. As we said in our prepared remarks, a lot of that was driven by stronger performance with our U.S. wholesale department store partners as well as sales in the boutiques. So that helped drive sales.
Some of that may have been helping to restore some of the inventory positions. As you'll remember, we talked about inventory at the end of the second quarter, but good progress with our teams working closely with our partners, good progress that we're making – you heard Kosta talk about the performance of women's handbag.
So we're seeing some continued good strong results there. We still have work to do on other parts of the leathers business, but good traction there. So our goal is to continue the stronger performance in a pretty challenging environment but we're very pleased with the performance..
We've always said that North America would be a slower growth than the rest of the world for us, but having said that, we do have opportunities with – as you see, we just launched Tory Burch, which is doing very well, there's large opportunity in the U.S. for SKAGEN.
We do have a long-term opportunity in wearables and we think the FOSSIL business will grow in the U.S. And there is in addition to that a Fashion Swiss opportunity that could manifest itself over the next coming years. So we're still optimistic long-term on the North America, it's just going to be a slower growth rate..
We'll take our next question from Omar Saad with Evercore ISI..
Great quarter, guys, congrats. Wanted to ask my one question on the 10 year license renewal with MICHAEL KORS. Congratulations on that as well. Obviously it's been a great relationship.
Can you help us understand maybe some of the underlying dynamics, especially since I think last quarter you had announced the renegotiation, a similar 10 year extension with ARMANI, that one I think had elapsed and then been running kind of month to month for a while, where this one I think was a little bit more preemptive, maybe just help us understand the backdrop there, are those situations really different or is it more of the same?.
We were very pleased to sign the 10 year agreement. As you know, MICHAEL KORS has been a fantastic opportunity for us. Our two companies work very closely together. We've got a very strong business in the U.S. It's growing very rapidly in Europe. Asia is a huge potential. There is a follow-on jewelry opportunity that's very significant.
Men's is going to grow and become very important, especially as we get larger in Asia. We're building Shop-In-Shops all over the world, could be a significant number of them. There's a long-term opportunity in travel retail and wearable technology will follow on in there also.
So we have very close relationship, it's a very significant business for us and them and we felt it was prudent for us to go ahead and get a contract signed, put it in there for 10 years.
There's a significant amount of work and investment made on both parties for this and we felt it was better to get the deal signed early and go unencumbered after the opportunity and get back to business. So that's why we did it..
We'll go to our next question from Anna Andreeva from Oppenheimer..
Congrats on a solid quarter, guys. I was hoping we could talk about the FOSSIL brand. You've talked about the initiatives to drive brand awareness there through stepped-up marketing.
Maybe share with us the return on invested capital that you're getting and how should we expect the marketing dollars into 2015? And I guess as we look into next year, I think you said directionally to expect [inaudible] deleverage.
What are some of the buckets behind that?.
As we've said in the remarks and even in the last call, we're kind of at an inflection point where we're taking a very hard look at our SG&A and reinventing as much of the Company as we possibly can, getting as efficient as we possibly can and investing in three big areas.
One of those is omnichannel, our ability to do digital retail more efficiently, have it dovetail into our stores, get more customers engaged in the brand. As you know, traffic continues to become more and more of an issue in the United States.
So we got a full-on effort in omnichannel really to change the direction of that, to get caught up and ahead in omnichannel and get to customers whether they are shopping on the Internet, et cetera. So that's a very big initiative for us. We also are working on spending additional amounts in demand creation.
So there's a small amount of additional money going right now and in the fourth quarter on a test and learn basis and we're measuring very closely the result of that. And then we'll also be making some investments in wearable technology. But the FOSSIL business globally is a very strong and a high profit, high return on capital business.
We think we can turbo-charge the sales and take advantage of the investments we've made around the world, including stores and retail locations and all our other investments, we think we can leverage that and drive a higher sales number and profitability.
So we feel it's a pretty good opportunity for us and we're going to be watching it very closely on the profitability side..
We'll go next to Rick Patel with Stephens..
I'll add my congrats as well. Can you talk about the margin profile of your licensed multi-brand portfolio? You renewed ARMANI earlier in the year, now you've locked in KORS.
As we think about the margins of this portfolio over the next three to five years, is it going to look similar as the last five years, just curious what's going to change if anything?.
If you look at the margin profile over the next several years, I mean there is a lot of factors that you need to consider and opportunities and some headwinds.
You see that there's opportunities for us as we reduce cycle times, international growth becomes a big opportunity for us, channel mix becomes – so there's a lot of opportunities in the overall portfolio of initiatives that we use to drive margins and the profile of the portfolio is one of those.
Each contract has different dynamics, and so you can see some mix changes among the brands, but overall we think that there's opportunities longer-term for us to drive margin expansion, and like I said, the components of the individual contracts and brands are one element of that..
We'll take our next question from Ike Boruchow with Sterne Agee..
Congrats on a good quarter. Dennis, just a quick question on the guidance you gave for the holiday quarter. I'm having a little trouble reconciling the EPS number with the sales and the margin guidance you gave us.
Is there something that we should keep in mind for maybe the other segment, on the FX hedges you guys have on, what kind of number that could be, because based on the tax rate the 31% tax rate guidance for the year which you can back into what's implied for Q4, I'm having trouble getting to the EPS range, is there anything else that you can help us with, anything below the line?.
What will happen as – just the mechanics of how currencies will operate is that you will see in a weakening euro environment that you will start to see some pressure in the gross margins.
That will to some extent be muted by our non-operating income as effectively then in the contract that you had outstanding are in the money, so some of the economic shifts away from gross margins and into the non-operating income. So you need to consider that as you're looking at the impact of those currencies.
But along the same lines of thinking about the fourth quarter and how some of the currency impacts may hit, probably equally important to think about how the currencies may impact next year, we talked about that in the prepared remarks, but just to help people start thinking about that if you focus on the euro, some of the pressure on the margins right now are coming from what's about a 7.5% decline in the euro since a quarter ago and we've got about $1.25 billion European business, the majority of that transacts in euro.
So as you think about the impact on the operating model, there's two things to consider. When the euro declines as it has, you'll see an immediate decrease in the full P&L as we translate that into U.S.
dollars and that starts with sales all the way down to the bottom line, and that's the part in the guidance that you're seeing where we're talking about sales headwinds of 2.5 points. If the euro stays where it is today, that headwind will persist through the first three quarters of next year.
And then there's an additional impact which is the transactional side, and that's because our European business, while they operate in euros they buy their inventory in U.S. dollars.
So as the dollar strengthens against the euro, their cost of inventory increases, decreasing their margins, though there is a lag on that because you're still working off inventory say in the fourth quarter that you bought in the third and second in a stronger environment. So again you'll see an accelerating impact on the margin as we get into 2015.
So just think about that as well, and just to size it for you, while it's still too early for us to talk specifically about 2015, if we were to recast 2014 at the current rates, you probably – there is a lot of estimating and assumptions in this number but you'd get roughly in the neighborhood of about 2 point top line headwind and about $0.30 per share negative impact on EPS.
So I suggest you also consider those impacts as well..
We'll go next to Dorothy Lakner with Topeka Capital Markets..
Congratulations on a great quarter.
Just to follow up on that for a second, on the currency headwinds assuming the euro stays where it is right now, you would be getting a benefit on the expense side?.
Right. You get benefit all because of P&L..
Right, because they are buying inventory in U.S. dollars but expenses are also going to be in U.S.
dollars as well?.
Correct, yes. And that's the first part of what I said, that's the translation impact, so that wouldn't be the immediate impact of that, but you got to consider on our European business as profitable. So the net bottom-line impact will be negative..
Right, okay.
And then just if I could, in terms of just the Fashion Swiss opportunity, I wonder if you could elaborate a little bit on what you've done so far and what we can look forward to as we move into 2015?.
As you know, we've been doing BURBERRY Swiss for a number of years. We subsequent to that added FOSSIL Swiss. It's doing well in our stores. The Tory Burch Swiss that's launched this year is doing extremely well. And the strong affinity for the craftsmanship of the Swiss-made is really prevalent in Asia, especially in China.
So we feel like we have an opportunity, a long-term, large opportunity to continue to add lifestyle brands, Swiss-made, into the Asian market and especially for the China customer.
The convergence of the customers growing [inaudible] numbers, their affinity for watches and jewelry, their affinity for Swiss-made and their affinity for lifestyle brands, we think puts us in a position where it's a very significant long-term opportunity and we will be benefiting from that. We also this year launched ARMANI Swiss.
It's doing extremely well and it's going to expand around the world, actually selling well not just in Asia but in Europe and U.S. as well. So that's another big opportunity for us. So we think it's a big, long-term opportunity..
We'll go next to Lorraine Hutchinson with Bank of America Merrill Lynch..
Just wanted to follow up again on the comments around the Chinese business and if you think it's a brand issue or if you think you have the wrong partners or you need more marketing or any strategies longer term to really get that business picking up?.
I think it's a continuation of what we've said the last several markets which is, it's just a very complex place to do business and it's probably going to continue to be somewhat choppy in terms of quarter to quarter and year to year. We are as you know having to build our own distribution channel over there.
So it's building concessions one at a time in a very fragmented market where there's multiple owners and there is not a consolidated retail environment. So it's just a very complex environment.
So we are continuing to move forward, we're building concessions, we are moving along, we are probably going to see some quarters that have outsized growth and some that don't, and we just will continue to do that.
The fact remains is that there is literally hundreds of millions of people that are going to join the middle class in the next 10 to 15 years. It's a very compelling long-term opportunity for us and we're building it out and someday it will be very significant, just probably will not be linear growth.
Having said that, I mean what you're seeing this quarter in Asia and then really in the rest of the Company is that the diversification broad-based across the Company really helps us do spots like this.
We're going to see – if we could get every one of our businesses in every geography and every channel going at the same time, that would be incredible.
But as a practical matter, the diversification works for us over a long period of time, there's a lot of step-by-step blocking and tackling, putting building blocks in place, investing in the right way, and we're seeing even what you saw in the last quarter some of the investments we made in the last several years are starting to pay off.
We had a very strong growth in India, Australia is very strong, some other parts of Asia are small now but look like they're going to grow, there is a very strong affinity for brands in the region and that's what we do. So we think long-term we're in a good place..
I think what I'd just add to Kosta's comments is the thing that excites us about China is just the raw opportunity that represents just to help size, it's a growing market, it's a watch market that today alone is already bigger than the United States, forecasted to grow at a faster rate than the U.S.
But the components of that market, if you look at the mid-tier market where we play, the fashion part of that market is tiny compared to the U.S., it's less than 10% of the market. That part of the market is made up of fashion brands. That number is over 50% in the United States.
So we believe that represents a significant opportunity for us as we and other fashion brands invest, as the middle class emerges, as the distribution develops, that's a big opportunity for us and there's similar dynamics in other Asian markets. So we're very excited about the reach and we think the demographics play can be a strong tailwind for us..
We'll go next to Barbara Wyckoff with CLSA..
Congrats, great quarter.
Can you talk about the possibility of licensing jewelry to other brands besides those in the watch portfolio, and can you update us on the status of FOSSIL jewelry, and then I have a couple of follow-ups?.
As you saw, we are growing very quickly in jewelry and our thesis has been that the jewelry business is actually much larger than the watch business globally, it's just got a smaller component of it that is actually lifestyle branded, and we expect that to change dramatically over the next several years. So we're ramping it up pretty quickly.
We have a strong portfolio in place right now with the FOSSIL, KORS, SKAGEN, EMPORIO ARMANI, DIESEL. So we have a lot on our plate right now. We're expanding the production as much as we can and we're getting prepared for a much larger business and potentially we'll be adding additional licenses.
As we've always said, jewelry is very similar to our watch business, largely the same characteristics in terms of timing, margin, same distribution channel, it's actually a way of leveraging our entire global infrastructure and it's lifestyle branded and it fits into our global profile.
So one way to look at it is if the potential size of the Company with just watches is X, with jewelry it's X+ and that's the way to look at it, but it is a long-term opportunity for us..
We'll go next to John Kernan with Cowen & Company..
Congrats on a nice quarter.
Just to circle back to MICHAEL KORS, can you update us on, one, how the brand is performing in Europe both from a watch and jewelry perspective, how big you think that business can be relative to what it already is here in the U.S.? And then can you just confirm that the economics behind the KORS licensing agreement haven't materially changed?.
In terms of Europe, the business is growing very quickly in Europe, both watches and jewelry, and it looks like it's going to be a very significant business. And I would say the same thing about Asia, even though it's a relatively small business now.
And in terms of the economics of the deal, it fits very well into our business model and where we are focused on, focusing on the business and growing it and putting major distribution around the world and monetizing the opportunities that's in front of us..
We'll go next to Matt McClintock with Barclays..
Congratulations on the quarter. As a follow-up to Erinn's question earlier, you highlighted the boutique market, and I've never really heard much about that channel.
Can you talk about what's going on in that channel, is that really just replenishment growth that you're seeing there or are you actually getting new distribution maybe from new brands or other brands?.
That's typically the owned stores that our licensed partners operate themselves. So we sell into those stores and as they add distribution that gives us additional distribution to fill in.
But we did say on this last call was that part of our business was affected by holding very tight inventories in that channel and our teams here work very closely with their teams to really do everything we could to help drive sales and maximize the opportunity, and that we believe drove some of our strong performance in the third quarter..
We'll go next to Ed Yruma with Keybanc Capital Markets..
Congrats.
Just maybe more specifically as a follow-up to a question earlier, how should we think about that other line? I know you gave some of the puts and takes for FX, both top line and margin, in the quarter and how we should think about next year, but specifically in other line as your hedges change how do we think about the impact in 4Q on that other line?.
So the big item down there will be interest charges, and as we take on more debt you'd naturally expect to see more interest expense down there.
But generally the way you should think about that, and it's not a perfect science, but as the dollar strengthens, as we're seeing now in the very near term, you probably see gains as the contracts that we have are in the money and that would help mitigate some of the reductions that you would see in the gross margin line.
So that's probably the best way for you to sort of gauge directionally – trying to get the size is a function of how many contracts we have, there's also some accounting translation of balances that you wouldn't see, but directionally that should help inform whether it should be growing or declining and if it should be positive or negative..
We'll go next to Randy Konik with Jefferies..
Can you give some perspective on, I guess MICHAEL KORS is such a material piece of the business, do you envision the percent of sales to be different for MICHAEL KORS in Europe and Asia versus what it is now I guess overall in the Americas, and if so, why? And in Asia, given what you said about the Chinese consumer, are you kind of thinking that Asia can't really get to a third of the Company's sales, and if not, do you think Europe picks up that slack? And then lastly, on the SG&A, I just want to be clear that are you saying we are now at the inflection point in SG&A where SG&A will lever on an ongoing basis not just through the fourth quarter but through 2015 calendar and years to come?.
So with respect to KORS, we haven't disclosed publicly beyond what we had in the 10-K, but what I can tell you, the business has been strong, gaining traction internationally and we see – as Kosta alluded to, we see opportunities here, particularly as we grow the men's categories with them and jewelry, we see opportunities internationally as well.
But overall we see opportunities internationally for the entire business. So when we think about long-term where the growth will come from, it starts with our international businesses, and as we grow the business we expect the least growth coming from the American region..
We'll go next to [indiscernible] with Macquarie..
On the wearables front, I understand we are in the very early innings with this new initiative. With that said, there's a lot of debate out there about the longevity of wearable batteries. I was curious to get your thoughts on that front.
Should we expect smart watches to get charged daily, weekly or monthly? And then with Tory Burch, I was curious to know if there was any overlapping synergies between Fitbit and Fossil, with Tory Burch suddenly partnering with Fitbit. Any color would be great..
One thing that's happening very quickly with all the huge amount of interest in wearable technology is that all of the technology is going to get better, it's going to get smaller and more robust, it's going to be less expensive and battery life is going to get longer.
So I think for right now the comments from a lot of people are that you have to charge the batteries up every day, but over time that will change.
So actually it's very interesting to see the huge consumer interest in wearables and we think anything that has that much discussion about watches is good for us, especially considering that a lot of people don't wear watches, especially millennials maybe have never worn a watch because they grow up with a smartphone.
So we think that all this interest in wearable technology is positive for us long term. Our mission is to add fashion and branding to it. We do think that the traditional watch business will continue to grow and we are going to gain share, but as the technology gets better we think that we can add more and more technology to our products.
So we think our position, especially with our partnership with the Intel and Google, we're in a place where we can bring well-designed branded smart fashion accessories to market wherever the technology goes, and we think it's an additional opportunity to us over the long term.
So we are getting in position to put some products in the market next year. So we think we're in pretty good shape. In terms of Tory and Fitbit, they have a product out in the market that's doing very well. So we are also looking at potential long-term opportunities for all of our brands including Tory Burch. So we are in discussions with them also..
We'll go to Randy Konik with Jefferies..
So I just wanted to follow-up on the other parts of my question which were, on SG&A, are we at a true inflection point for the business where we're going to see SG&A leverage not just in the fourth quarter but in '15 and calendar '16 and beyond? And with Asia, given your comments on China, et cetera, do you foresee Asia not being now a third of the business but maybe Europe picking up that slack, can you just comment on that?.
So let me start with expenses.
It's too early for us to comment specifically on what we think '15 and '16 are going to look like and we will in February be able to share more with you about that, but I think where I would assess the businesses today is that a lot over the last couple of years, three years, we've been investing a lot in infrastructure and putting regional structures in place, and to some extent that was playing catch-up because the Company four and five years ago was on this massive growth curve and we needed to get structure in.
It's a much different thing to run a $3 billion company than a $1 billion company. So I would say that not in absolute terms but by and large we are certainly in the later innings in terms of really finishing the structural work.
There are pockets where we need to build capabilities, but the organization has really been focused on optimizing the rest of the structure.
So later innings there and that provides us the fuel to drive and invest in more growth related initiatives like the acceleration of Fossil and investing in omnichannel wearables, all of the things that we think are big drivers and important to us achieving our long-term strategies.
In terms of growth rates, I think we see lots of opportunities to grow the Asian market. For us the strategy is not just China but take a lot of markets that share very similar market dynamics that we think we can take advantage of, where watch brands still dominate and where there is an opportunity for fashion brands to gain a greater share.
So we see markets, Kosta mentioned, India, Japan, Australia, those are all markets that we think we have opportunities, and the great position that we are in is we have made investments in all of those markets. So we are well poised to pivot and move to where we think the growth is going to be.
Each market will play out differently but we really think we're well-positioned and have made a lot of great investments that we'll be able to reap the benefits of..
And that does conclude the question-and-answer portion of today's conference. I would now like to turn the call back over to our presenters for comments and closing remarks..
Thank you very much for your participation today, your interest in the Fossil Group. While it's early November, we want to wish everyone a happy and prosperous holiday season and we look forward to speaking to everybody in February. Thank you..
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