TFS Financial Corporation

TFS Financial Corporation

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TFS Financial Corporation, through its subsidiaries, provides retail consumer banking services in the United States. Its deposit products include savings, money market, checking, individual retirement, and other qualified plan accounts, as well as certificates of deposit. The company also provides residential real estate mortgage loans, residential construction loans, and home equity loans and lines of credit, as well as purchase mortgages and first mortgage refinance loans. In addition, it offers escrow and settlement services. The company provides its products and services through its main office in Cleveland, Ohio; and 37 full-service branches and 7 loan production offices located throughout the states of Ohio and Florida. The company was founded in 1938 and is headquartered in Cleveland, Ohio. TFS Financial Corporation operates as a subsidiary of Third Federal Savings and Loan Association of Cleveland, MHC.

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Market Cap$4.45B
EPS0.3200
P/E Ratio49.56
Earnings Date07/29/2026

Earnings Call Transcript

TFSL • 2014 • Q2

Executives
Marc A. Stefanski – President and Chief Executive Officer Paul J. Huml – Chief Accounting Officer and Chief Operating Officer of TFS Financial Corporation David S. Huffman – Chief Financial Officer Meredith S. Weil – Chief Operating Officer of Third Federal Savings
Analysts
Matthew Breese – Sterne Agee Joe Stieven – Stieven Capital Kevin O'Keefe – Brown Advisory
Operator
Welcome to TFS Financial Corporation's Second Fiscal Quarter Earnings Conference Call and Webcast. Hosting the call today from TFS Financial is Mr. Marc Stefanski, Chief Executive Officer. He is joined by Mr. Dave Huffman, Chief Financial Officer; Ms. Meredith Weil, Chief Operating Officer of Third Federal Savings; and Mr. Paul Huml, Chief Accounting Officer. Today's call is being recorded and will be available for replay beginning at 2:00 p.m. Eastern Standard Time. The dial-in number for the replay is 1800-695-0974. [Operator Instructions] Some of the information provided during the conference call may contain statements of future expectations and other forward-looking statements. These expectations are based on the management's current views and assumptions and involve known and unknown risk and uncertainties. It is possible that the company's actual results and financial condition may differ, possibly materially, from the anticipated results and financial condition indicated in these forward-looking statements. For discussion of some of the risks and important factors that could affect the firm's future results, see Risk Factors in the company's latest Annual Report on www.thirdfederal.com. TFS Financial Corporation assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking information provided during the conference call. It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to Mr. Marc Stefanski. You may begin, sir.
Marc A. Stefanski
Good morning, everyone. Welcome to sunny Cleveland Ohio on Third Federal’s quarterly report. As you know we had a pretty decent quarter this last quarter and along with that we have been, at least from MOU from the Federal Reserve which allows us to continually focus on our three dimensional approach of growth, stock buybacks and dividends. Our overall objective is to continue to have a fortuitous type balance sheet which will allow us to sustain in good times and in bad. We have proven that over the last four years that with our capital ratios we are able to weather the storm and we have always felt in the last few years that it hasn’t been a recession in the housing industry, it has been a real depression. We are thankfully seeing some signs of that changing where we see values have improved and increased. Some of the folks, a few years ago didn’t qualify because of the values of their homes with either 30% less or in some cases worse than that, we weren’t able to refinance them or help them out in anyway. We are seeing that beginning to turn around in the markets that we are serving and along with that we have had a progressive change in our focus in terms of our state-wide expansions. We have increased that, we have improved that while we are continuing our laser sharp focus on housing, first mortgages and second mortgages now and of course we continue to focus on growing into the expenses that we have. I am going to call in Paul Huml to go over some specifics on the deck that was sent out and also Meredith Weil is here to give some color on our growth and our expansion and some of the numbers that will help give you more confidence that we are able to grow in any kind of environment despite what the Wall Street Journal has said this morning about the reports on housing. We continue to remain very-very competitive and very-very aggressive when we plan to grow the balance sheet regardless of what the economic conditions are. So, Paul?
Paul Huml
Thanks Marc and welcome to everyone. Just as Mark said, we will go over few specifics. We have changed the slide deck around a little bit and there is couple of changes to it. I will point out on page 4, Marc had mentioned the state expansion we are doing and so the list of the states are there that we are operating mortgages in those states. We are also looking to expand our HELOC into those states as well. I do want to make it clear that our footprint is only in Ohio and Florida the other states that are really being done to (inaudible) direct mail through our operations here in Cleveland, they are all under-rated. Under-rated consistently being credit process that the loans go through and all handled through our Cleveland operations. Financial highlights, really the net income for the quarter $16.4 million, very consistent from where we have been. Our provision for loan losses down to $5 million for the quarter and that really relates to a number of the improved credit metrics that we have seen. We can see on page 6 where the quarterly net income has been which has stayed relatively consistent over the last number of quarters. Looking at page 8, sort it talks about the mortgage loan production and how we have shifted the whole balances from where we were a long term fixed rate lender into a mix of a lot adjustable rate and also 10 year fixed rate product. So that's been a huge improvement and helps our interest rates risk profile. Page 9, so it gives you a picture of where that has been between 2009 and 2014 for our first mortgage and slide 10 really covers the entire loan book which includes our realized but surely shows the shift away from the long term fixed rate loans that we have had in the past. A new slide that we put in that is on page 11 which really is indicative of the improved credit metrics that we have used in our underwriting and it basically shows the loans that have originated in 2009 or after and you can see that the delinquencies on those loans have middle bar, under 1/10 or 1%, 7 million of delinquencies of 7 billion of originations. So certainly it shows what the improved underwriting standards that we have had and strong credit focus that we have had over the last five years. Going through some of the delinquencies and charge off numbers definitely improvements as you can see on page 12 and 13 where those numbers are all improving, so that has helped support our lower loan loss provision. And obviously on page 14, on slide is certainly important to a lot of our investors and then important to us here at third Federal is that we did get the MOU release at the beginning of the months, we have began our new 5 million share repurchase program that began on April 9th. I know a number of investors have asked questions about this and so I am trying to put some numbers in that may be the answer some of those questions through yesterday, we purchased around 650,000 shares in that buyback program. From a dividend standpoint, we're certainly proceeding down the path of that is a lot more involved and that getting the mutual holding company member both which we're working on but that will be things that will come forward over the next few months. And just as a remainder, we did push 85 million from the Thrift up to TFS Financial back in the December quarter because that adds to the available cash and capital but that the holding company, that helps support our dividends and buybacks. So that pretty much sums up the quarter and if you want Meredith talk about the details?
Marc A. Stefanski
Yes, Meredith if you go over some of the fund moving things that we've been doing to grow our business.
Meredith S. Weil
Yes, Good morning, everybody. This year, we've just really focused on growing through our expansion. We've taken about $2 billion on loan applications so far this year, of that 77% are coming from new customers. Most of our businesses coming in through refinances. The purchase market still isn’t healthy or what we would call healthy and so you've heard a lot of news about refinance is slowing down but we've been very successful about keeping refinances going through expanding into new markets and just a creative way we have been marketing different products we have our tenure so there are a lot of people who weren’t contemplating refinancing again but refinancing and a lot of that is coming through our expansion stage. 40% of our applications are coming in through our expansion states. We've taken 850 million assets from those states that's 66% more than last year. So we're really excited about all that we've been doing to attract new customers. We have just under a billion I think is as Paul mention this, in close loans from our expansion state, the biggest state is California at this point and New Jersey and Pennsylvania are following closely after that. We have continue to expand our HELOC offering that's been slower to the market, I think a lot of consumers actually has been using first mortgages as oppose to HELOC. So we have expanded into new states for HELOC. We expect to be in the 17 states for HELOC before the end of next quarter. We've closed about 60 million in loans so far this year and just expect really what we're experienced with HELOC is still a little bit of a runoff and we hope to turn the corner and actually start growing that portfolio.
Marc A. Stefanski
Okay. Thank you, Meredith. Thank you, Paul. At this time, we are wide open for questions or comments. So we turn it back over to you.
Marc A. Stefanski
For the first part of the question I think it was why we did that and that was to let the, give the regulators a clear signal that as this was the OTS the time that we were serious about fortifying the balance sheet at the Thrift level. You may or may not know or recall at back then there was a big issue here locally in Cleveland with a company that have the ability to downstream to the Thrift did not do that and when the company went out of business, the government was stuck with what was left the Thrift but $0.5 billion at the holding company that they couldn’t get their hands on. So we didn’t know, what was going to happen, how it was going to happen, but it was goodwill or a good faith, it just trying hard part to fortify the balance sheet at the Thrift because there were some concerns about where that might go. Paul, do you want to address the rest of that, I can’t remember what the question was.
Paul J. Huml
Yes, sure. I talked about what the cash commitments are at the holding company. And there is not a lot of commitments at the holding company if we can look at our regulatory reporting or Thrift represents over 99% of the total consolidated company. So there is not a lot of investment or commitment at the holding company.
Matthew Breese - Sterne Agee
Okay. Marc I guess the first part of the question was the $150 million that was downstream do you think there is any potential for getting that back to the holding company?
Paul J. Huml
You're welcome.
Marc A. Stefanski
Thank you.
Marc A. Stefanski
Thank you, Joe.
Paul J. Huml
Yes, we hear you.
Kevin O'Keefe - Brown Advisory
Okay, fine. What it would take for depositors to waive the right through a dividend? I guess another words if I am a (inaudible) depositor why would if when you call me and ask me to wave my right, why I would say yes. And I asked just because I'm wondering what kind of hurdle you have to tackle in order to get that approved. And then second, I'm just curious if you think that the minority shareholders will be subject to the Fed’s kind of soft 30% limitation and if I ask just because one of your direct comps Cap Fed in Kansas had no problem paying out a 100% of earnings. And then my third thing would just be that Cap Fed once said to say to me that they prefer to be aggressive buying back their stock or do both at the same time because if they buyback 10% of their shares over the course of the year then that's effectively a 10% raise in the dividend to the current shareholders and so they found that it’s kind of a back door raise. And I thought there was a really intelligent thing they have said, so that's more just a comment I wanted to forward along. But as far as the other two I'd love to hear your thoughts? Thanks guys and congrats.
Paul J. Huml
We continue to do so.
Marc A. Stefanski
Thanks, Joe.
Operator
Our next question comes from (inaudible) smith.
Unidentified Analyst
Hello.
Marc A. Stefanski
Yes, good morning.
Unidentified Analyst
So, I don’t want to (inaudible) sentiments of the other callers too much but congratulations. I have two questions, first, you mentioned I think was good that you have a tonne of cash in the holding company already, I think the 2015 FDSC requirements will be about 8% of tier 1 risk based capital and I think you mentioned that you have got about 25% or 26% tier 1 capital is now. How far down do you think you can take that level and the second question is what percentage of earnings do you think it would targeting as the dividend payout for the future.
Marc A. Stefanski
As far as our capital ratio go, I think there has lot that goes into that dynamic and we talked about dividends and we talked about growth, so trying to pinpoint on actual capital ratio was driving for and something we haven’t done and we don’t intend to at this point. Because there are so many different moving parts, where the economy grows, how fast the growth is, what the regulatory of all this that changing in and there is certainly a lot of stress testing rules that are out there that keep changing the dynamics of what is a actual, well capitalized number so we don’t have a target and as Mark mentioned earlier we are a long term slower focused where we are going and we have to look at each one of the avenues, the dividend, the growth and the buybacks and sort of adjust those as we are moving along. So there is no set target.
Paul J. Huml
And the other thing is we are not trading off one for the other, we are balancing it and that's (inaudible). We have a three dimensional approach and we have to deal with the regulatory environment. We also have to consider what the economy is doing or not doing and at the same time maintain a fortuitous balance sheet so in case the economy takes another turn for the worst, they were prepared for that so you as shareholder won’t damaged. So it’s a delicate balancing act all the way around but all those things are extremely important and it’s our job and fiduciary responsibility to make sure we follow through with that and protect your investment.
Operator
(Operator Instructions) our next question comes from William (inaudible). Your line is open.
Unidentified Analyst
Yes. I like to know if the directors, have you guys ever talked about the timetable for doing step and step conversion, how many years away might be from that step?
Paul J. Huml
That is another thing that's always on the table. It’s nothing that it’s going to be enacted on in the near future. And this is (inaudible), I always said that that's for the next generation of management for Third Federal but I will never say never depending on what the financial needs of the company are and just where the economy is at and there is a lot of factors that go into that but it’s not a simple, just flip the company and take it public 100%, I just don’t think it’s that simple.
Operator
And it appears that we have no further questions at this time. I would like to turn the floor back over to Mr. Marc Stefanski for any additional or closing remarks.
Marc Stefanski
Thank you for joining us here this morning. I can’t emphasize enough about the patience and the hard work that's going on from the board level to the management level and also the investor level and what transpire over the last four year again our commitment is to ever razor sharp focus on our business and continue to fortify our balance sheet so we continue to be strong, stable and safe in any environment. Drive down expense, the expense ratios and continue our three dimensional approach of growth, buybacks and dividends and at the same time I am just pleased to say that we are back and we are happy to be there and thank you for your continued support.
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