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Good afternoon, everyone, and thanks for joining our call. I’m excited to discuss our strong Q2 financial performance and some significant product and platform updates. I’ll begin with a brief summary of our financial results. Revenue came in at $169 million, up 4% year-over-year. Adjusted EBITDA was $30 million for the quarter, which equates to an 18% margin. Legal

Thanks Dan and good afternoon everyone. I’m pleased to discuss our continued strong performance. We remain focused on reaccelerating revenue growth and improving profitability. In the second quarter, we significantly expanded our adjusted EBITDA margin year-over-year through continued marketing efficiency and cost discipline while also growing our top line. Looking at our second quarter results in more detail. Total GAAP revenue in the period was $169 million, up 4% year-over-year and exceeded the top end of our guidance range. Transaction revenue was $60 million, down 7% year-over-year. We experienced strong growth in transaction units, offset by a reduction in average order value driven by the full rollout of our new premium lineup in Q1. Transaction units were 283,000, up 26% year-over-year, led by the increase in business formation transactions and partially offset by a decline in consumer and intellectual property transactions. We completed 161,000 business formations in Q2, up 42% compared to the same period last year. Our market share of business formations increased 33% year-on-year to 11.4% due to the new lineup. Looking ahead, while we expect to achieve at least a 15% year-over-year increase in market share for the full year, we do expect year-over-year growth in share gains to moderate in the back half of 2023 as we begin to lap the initial testing and expanding rollout of our free product and wind down certain channel partnerships. Average order value was $214 in the second quarter up sequentially from the first quarter and down 26% year-over-year, driven by our lower priced lineup. We expect the year-over-year decline in average order value to improve to low single-digit declines by the end of 2023 as we lap our freemium rollout and exits our historical partnerships. Subscription revenue was $102 million in the quarter, up 12% year-over-year due to an 11% increase in the number of subscriptions and continued improvement in ARPU. Looking ahead, we expect subscription revenue growth to decelerate slightly through the remainder of the year as a result of headwinds in L

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Andrew Boone from JMP Securities.

Thanks so much for taking my question. Two please, on L

Yes. Thanks for the question, Andrew. Yes. L

Yes. If that’s a forecast question, Andrew, for 2023, we don’t have anything in the forecast for now. We’re really just focused on the user experience and learning over the next few months and then that will help to shape some of our assumptions around it from a monetization standpoint moving forward.

We really do want to learn from our customers there. I mean it definitely is a business in and of itself, but we also feel like one of the real benefits, again, is going to be retention on the L

Thank you.

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Ron Josey from Citi.

Great. Thanks for taking the question. Maybe a little bit more on the here now. And can you just talk a little bit more, Dan and Noel, around just business formation. It looks like in June, there was a same trajectory overall from what we saw in May. And so any thoughts on the updated broader macro picture, I’m sure you do in terms of how you think about SMB permissions and where we stand overall? And then maybe just on the trends in the quarter. Insights on just the subscription upsell, right? We’re seeing benefits in terms of greater share gains. Talk to us about these newer freemium customers? What are they buying? How are they acting things along those lines? Thank you.

Thanks, Ron. This is Noel. Just I’ll take the first half and then maybe pass the second half to Dan. So on the macro, yes, you called it the macro has really been steady year-to-date and consistent, which is great. We did see some improvement in Q2. And as we said on our prior call, we had updated our expectations for the macro for the second quarter relative to the trends that we were seeing. And we’re doing the same thing here with our third quarter guide. Looking at the recent performance, factoring that in and then raising our Q4 expectations as well. So we’re overall a bit more bullish, just given the length of the consistency that we’re seeing there. We are still leaving some room and embedding some room in terms of caution in our – particularly in our fourth quarter expectation for the macro just as we’ve done year-to-date, just being cautious as we know things can soften and we know there’s still some prognostication around the overall economy slowing. But overall, we’ve taken up our expectation for the macro.

Yes. And maybe just a quick add on the macro. I think macro is – we’ve talked about there’s the historical growth in the macro and whether or not there’s a little bit of a trajectory change post-COVID. And I think we’ve given the data before it’s just simple to start a business, there’s little risk of capital, lots of platforms. There’s tech that can make – reduce barriers, get you sort of into a market much quicker at a lower cost. All that’s really pretty incredible and we think durable. The thing that I think is newer is the work-from-home dynamic. And one of the studies that we recently just put out on our own base showed that over half of our customers started their business with – while they were working in their prior employer and a good portion, we’re – obviously working from home as well. And if you think about the dynamic of people going back to work, a lot of that is part part-time going back to work versus sort of more like a hybrid model. And we think that, that’s a pretty durable trend as well. So the macro feels like it’s strong, it’s remain stronger than we expected. And yet at the same time, we’re just cautious. That’s just kind of how we’ve been managing it. On the subscription attach for new customers, I’d say it’s doing exactly what we’d expected it to do. The core subscriptions that we look at are the compliance subscriptions as well as our attorney assist subscription, and they continue to attach at a nice rate. The rate, again, is slightly lower than what it was in the past, but it’s overwhelmed by the fact that you’re seeing such significant formation growth as well. And we’re also really starting to track to the retention dynamics of those customers, and they look relatively stable relative to the prior cohorts that we have. Although the one thing we’d say is we’re going to be kind of cautious in thinking about what that looks like when we get to annual renewal because that’s where the bulk of our customers actually renew. And we’re conscious of there’s many different types of customers in our base, and so we’ll watch that closely.

That’s great. Thank you, Dan. Thank you, Noel.

Thanks, Ron.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Matt Pfau from William Blair.

Great. Thanks for taking my questions. I wanted to ask around the commentary on the L

Yes. Thanks for the question, Matt. I’ve said this before, tax is just such a unique business because you get one swing every season. And our first season was one where we relied on people to be the glue and didn’t really have a lot of software in place to make the process efficient and also make it delightful. And I think in the second season, we made a lot of changes, a lot of updates and improve the experience. We’re seeing filing increase, which is great because we know that ties to better retention. But we still have a lot of work to do there. And if you step back, what I’d say is interesting to reflect on, I mean this is a very fast-growing business. Probably in some ways, it grew faster then I think we were capable of supporting that business as we went through that scale with an incredible experience. And now we’re sort of rightsizing that experience. We’re continuing to invest in it. We’re also starting to tamp down attach in a way like we want to get the attach lower because we keep finding that our customers, they know they have a tax question but they aren’t really sure what it is. And so they sign up for the service, and then they may ask that question and then they realize they either don’t have more questions or they don’t have a return to file. And so we see higher attrition. And that churn is something that is expensive for us to support, but it’s also not a great customer experience because they have to go through a cancellation process. And so what you’ll start to see us do is make the purchase a little bit more considered – so we’ve done this as a monthly subscription. We’re testing things like doing an annual subscription. You might see us pull it out of specific segments of customers, not really offered as cross-sell. And the great news there is we now have other products that we can cross-sell that are more relevant like L

Great. And then just was hoping to follow-up on the other component of the deceleration in subscription growth in the back half of the year, the channel partner component. Maybe just a little bit more commentary on that would be helpful?

Yes. I mean I think one of the things we’ve said for a couple of quarters here is that given the share gains that we’re starting to realize, we felt like this was the right time to reset on some of our partnerships where they weren’t bilateral and instead, they were vendor-like relationships where, in most cases, they’re dilutive to economics. And so that’s what we’re doing. We committed at the beginning of the year, if you remember at the middle of last year, we committed for this year to have a 15% share gain while also getting to 15% EBITDA margin. We take both of the commitments really seriously and we’re going to achieve both, we expect to achieve both. And so I think – in some ways, that share tied to those partners didn’t really fit within that profitability goal. And so that’s all we’re doing. We’re cleaning that up. I think in a lot of ways, hopefully, you’ve seen us multiple times really manage our portfolio and take an opportunity when we have some strength to work through something that we don’t necessarily feel like is a long-term strategy, and that’s exactly what we’re doing here.

Great. Very helpful. Appreciate it.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Jackson Ader from MoffettNathanson.

Great. Thanks for taking our questions, guys. Dan, you touched on this a little earlier, but can you remind us the mechanics or maybe some numbers around that first year retention rate that you have traditionally seen in the past from business formation and maybe subscription customers? And then – Yes. Just any color you think about as we look to ‘24, and we start to renew this kind of much larger 2023 cohort, what we should be expecting from the different segments?

Yes. We don’t share any cohorted retention numbers for our subscriptions at this point. And I think we talked about before, one of the challenges we have, we have a portfolio of subscriptions, how they attach their relative nature. All of that plays into what we see at the individual level of subscriptions. And so we’ve recently provided more like an annual churn number which is slightly improved for the quarter. What I have said in the past is we obviously are serving small businesses that almost merge on the side of like a consumer behavior in that – a good portion, almost half of the businesses that form with us are not yet in operation. And then at the same time, the stats are out there that about 30% of businesses fail in the first year. And so you can almost assume that just on the failure side alone, that’s sort of the ceiling that you can reach of probably a little bit below 70% on retention.

Okay. Alright. Got it. And then just on L

Yes, it’s a really good question. And actually, like – if you think about one of the big announcements we have this quarter, it’s a complete redesign of the experience post formation. And we called it internally Project [indiscernible], but externally, it’s really just our my MyL

Awesome. Alright, great. Thank you.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Mario Lu from Barclays.

Hi. This is Jack Butler on for Mario. Thanks for taking my questions. Starting out regarding the freemium model, so you’ve had a great amount of success the past couple of quarters with 27% share gains in Q1. I think you said you had around 33% share gains in Q2. Given the strong performance you have demonstrated these past few quarters, are you seeing any signs that the competitive landscape could be changing for the freemium offering moving forward? Or anything like that? And then just unrelated, I know you’ve talked about this a bit on prior calls, had one announcement earlier on this call about it. But in terms of generative AI, I was just wondering whether there was any update to how you were thinking about the role that gen AI might play in the business, whether the focus might be on improving current offerings you have or if there’s a way – further ways I could expand your offering suite or just maybe anything else about how the strategy is evolving?

Yes. Okay. Thanks for the question, Jack. First one on competition. I think we have seen competitors adjusting price down in response to our new lineup and all of that is great for all small businesses. So we encourage prices down, especially on the formation side. It’s worth noting, though, one thing we haven’t seen from competition is a heavy investment in their product experience and launching new subscriptions and creating that ecosystem, which is what, in our case, is helping us fund that reduction in pricing. So I think it’s probably impacting them disproportionately relative to us. We haven’t seen a big change in marketing spend levels by competition. And I think one of the things I would say that is probably it goes without saying is the biggest opportunity for us is a little bit more around non-consumption and going to attracting customers that typically have gone to the secretary of the state site themselves and kind of muddled through the experience. We know that, that has had a strong negative Net Promoter Score associated with it. And we also know that the customers that visit us have disproportionately visited the Secretary of State site before us, much more so than any of our competitive alternatives. So I think a lot of what we’re doing on the pricing side is actually pulling from people who may have tried to navigate those sites on their own, get all their questions answered, done a lot of research in different [indiscernible] spots. We’ve just made that whole experience much more simple and taken the decision point away by reducing that price so that they could form with us. And then when they form with us, they’re being introduced to a lot of new subscriptions. So I think that’s probably the bulk of the trend that we’re seeing. On the generative AI side, we talked about this last call, we don’t want to foreshadow product releases before they’re out there. I think the thing I’d say is that we’re making steady progress. We’re trying to do something a little bit different than, I think, most of the alternatives in the market in that – we wanted to serve small businesses directly. You’re seeing a lot of gen AI products that are built very specifically for attorneys and law firms. And so there’s some things that we need to work through to make that possible. But it will most likely be integrated in a way where you start to think about how people interact with docs, how they interact with their attorneys through documents and how they get insights out of their documents. And so it’s very similar to what I said last quarter, making good progress and you’ll hear some announcements in the next quarter or two.

Great, thanks. It’s really helpful.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Brent Thill from Jefferies.

Hi, this is Sang-Jin Byun for Brent Thill. Thanks. The question, obviously, you’ve done very well with the business relation premium product, very high growth, 42%. Transaction units also very fast with 26%. But obviously, there’s a delta. I’m wondering how you’re thinking about that delta, is that according to your expectations? How do you expect like those that don’t actually end up attaching to convert over time if there’s a certain cadence. And then second, I’m wondering how you’re managing the weight on the gross margin from the free filing fees?

Yes. Great. Great questions, Sang. On the first one, what weighs down some of the aggregate transaction growth is really the consumer side of the business. And we’ve been clear that we’ve been prioritizing pretty aggressively on the small business side relative to consumer. One of the interesting things, though, is that the foundation of our consumer business are forms and so the nice thing about making the investment that we’re currently making that is both an integration of gen AI capabilities as well as attorneys directly onto a new forms platform should ultimately translate into reinvigorating of our consumer side of our business. And we have nothing new to announce at this point or any – this year, I would say, on the consumer side. But I will say that it’s the first time there’s been an investment there in probably almost a decade. And so I would expect that we’ll start to turn that corner, hopefully in the next year or so. On the margin side, do you want to take that, Noel?

Sure. Yes. On the margin side, so as you mentioned, I think at the beginning of your question, Sang, the business formation growth that we saw in the quarter are 42%, that higher volume is driving higher filing fees. And so that’s what we’re seeing impact margins as filing fees as a percentage of revenue have increased. We also have two businesses that are growing fast, that are still subscale in tax and virtual mail that have a slightly different margin profile. And as those kind of take up a bigger share, it weighs on margins a bit. We are excited about the fact that we continue to make progress on the core business in terms of the efficiencies that we’re driving in delivering the services. So over time, as those businesses, the faster-growing businesses start to get to scale and we get more leverage, we’ll see some margin improvement in support of the efficiencies we’re driving on the core side of our margin profile.

Okay, thank you.

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Elizabeth Porter from Morgan Stanley.

This is Fiona Heins on for Elizabeth Porter. Thank you for taking the question. I wanted to ask on the channel partner side of the business. Where are we in resetting that side of the business? Any view on what inning more currently in? And longer term, sort of what the vision is for that part of the business on a go-forward basis?

Just for clarity, do you mean the – like the partnerships where we’re marketing third parties or the partnerships where we’re distributing our service through a channel?

I guess an update on both would be very helpful.

Okay. Yes, on the partner channel side, we mentioned it upfront that we’re currently exiting a couple of relationships because – they are – they have dilutive economics, and we’re not just focused on share, but we’re also focused on profitability. And so that lead to a deceleration in growth in the back half on share gains. But on the partner side, where we’re distributing third parties through our platform, that’s going extremely well. And there’s a couple of moving parts there. We’ve exited some partnerships that we talked about at the beginning of the year while at the same time we have newer partnerships where we’re actually seeing growth that is exceeding the growth of our core business. It’s just on a very, very small base at this time. So – we’re excited about it over time. Again, we have an incredibly powerful channel and our customers are quite actively asking us what are best-in-breed solutions. And we’re getting better and better at targeting what we offer specific customers. So we’d expect that to continue to accelerate, but again, off a much smaller base than the core business.

Understood. Thank you for the question.