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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q2
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Executives

David Mackey - Corporate Senior Vice President of Finance and Head of Investor Relations Keshav Murugesh - Chief Executive Officer Sanjay Puria - Chief Financial Officer.

Analysts

Joseph Foresi - Janney Montgomery Anil Doradla - William Blair Edward Caso - Wells Fargo S.K Prasad Borra - Goldman Sachs Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company Bryan Keane - Deutsche Bank Puneet Jain - J.P. Morgan David Koning - Robert Baird Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citibank.

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the WNS Holdings’ Second Quarter Fiscal 2015 Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. After management’s prepared remarks, we will conduct a question-and-answer session and instructions for how to ask a question will follow at that time.

As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. Now, I would like to turn the call over to David Mackey, WNS’ Corporate Senior Vice President of Finance and Head of Investor Relations.

David?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Net revenue is defined as revenue less repair payments; adjusted operating margin and adjusted net income, or ANI, are defined as operating margin and profit, excluding amortization of intangible assets and share-based compensation. These terms will be used throughout the call. I would now like to turn the call over to WNS’ CEO, Keshav Murugesh.

Keshav?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, David, and good morning everyone. The second quarter was a good quarter for WNS from both the financial and operational perspective. During the quarter, the company was able to boost revenue, margin, profit, and cash flow. Q2 net revenue was $126.5 million, up 9.7% year-over-year and 3.7% versus the previous quarter.

Year-over-year, revenue growth was aided by almost 6% due to appreciation in the British Pound against the U.S. Dollar, but reduced by similar amount due to the OTA transition and Aviva contract extension.

Excluding the impact of exchange rate movements, our Q2 constant currency revenue grew 3.9% versus the second quarter of last year and 3.8% sequentially. During the quarter, we added five new clients, expanded three existing relationships and renewed 13 contracts.

We also closed one new large deal during the quarter, bringing our year-to-date total to three. This new U.S. logo is one of the world’s largest online travel agencies and further enhances WNS’s market leadership position in the OTA space.

Our deep knowledge of the online travel industry and ability to deliver from multiple global locations were critical factors in the client’s decision to partner with WNS. While sales performance is making steady progress, accelerating the team’s productivity continues to be a top priority for the company.

The sales organization which currently stands at 79 members has built a solid pipeline with the healthy mix of both new logos, as well as client expansion opportunities. These include several large deal opportunities which would enable us to meet our target of at least six large deals for fiscal 2015.

That being said, the company realizes that the current team, when fully productive has the capacity to generate revenue growth well beyond current levels.

We are also pleased to report that our second quarter margin and profitability were extremely healthy as a result of both solid operating performance and some one-time factors, which Sanjay will explain in his prepared remarks.

Year-over-year, our adjusted operating margin expanded 550 basis points to 21.8%, while our adjusted net income percentage expanded 400 basis points to 18.9%. As a result, Q2 adjusted diluted earnings per share grew 38% versus the second quarter of last year and the company was able to generate $25.5 million in cash from operations.

Today WNS has a strong balance sheet and high degree of visibility to healthy cash generation going forward. This enables company management and the Board of Directors to consider alternative uses of cash.

As we have mentioned for the past several quarters, WNS is opportunistically looking for tuck-in acquisitions which would enhance our vertical expertise, horizontal capabilities and use of technology. While our business development teams have been actively evaluating transactions, the company’s approach remains highly selective.

This is especially important given current valuation multiples for BPM assets and our own organic growth opportunities. In addition to acquisitions, WNS will evaluate on an ongoing basis our uses of cash including debt repayment, share buybacks and dividends.

As we enter the second half of fiscal 2015, the demand environment for BMP services remains stable and healthy.

We believe that the BMP market is currently growing in the high single-digit to low double-digit range, but that opportunities exist for industry growth acceleration in the coming years as adoption rates improve and new services and solutions evolve.

Key drivers for the industry today include finance and accounting, analytics, multi-channel contact centers, healthcare, and industry specific business process management. Longer term, the expectation is that domain expertise, process automation, and platforms will create differentiation and drive further growth.

Some of these capabilities will be internally developed, however others will have to be created through strategic partnerships as well as M&A.

We believe that WNS’ strategic investment programs have positioned the company well to capitalize on today’s trends, but that we must continue to invest ahead of the curve in order to meet the evolving needs of our BPM clients.

Key investments plan for the second half of fiscal 2015 and into fiscal 2016 include technology tools and resources, concept incubators, marketing and branding, strategic hiring, infrastructure cost optimization, and corporate social responsibility.

These investments will largely be funded by our improving margin profile and by leveraging the investments made over the past few years. Looking at our full year guidance, net revenue is expected to grow between 6% and 9%, backing out the impact of exchange favorability. This translates to constant currency revenue growth of 3% to 6%.

Excluding the 6% headwind from the OTA transition and Aviva contract extension, our full year constant currency growth at the midpoint of the range exceeds 10%. We currently have 99% visibility to the midpoint of our guidance range.

With respect to profitability, ANI guidance of $83 million to $87 million assumes that both adjusted operating margins and adjusted profit margins will expand year-over-year.

The adjusted net income projection includes the $2 million profit and loss impact relating to the finalization of the India budget which Sanjay will elaborate upon in his prepared remarks.

In summary, we believe that WNS is successfully executing on our strategic business plans and positioning the company for long-term sustainable success in the BPM space. We remain focused on helping our clients better compete in their respective industries and to growing our revenue and maintaining profit margins at or above industry rates.

I would now like to turn the call over to Sanjay Puria, our CFO to further discuss our financials.

Sanjay?.

Sanjay Puria

Thank you, Keshav. With respect to the second numbers, net revenue increased to $126.5 million from $115.4 million in the same quarter last year, growing 9.7%. On a constant currency basis, net revenue grew 3.9% as top line was aided by appreciation in the British pound against the U.S. dollar.

Year-over-year, quarter two revenue growth was adversely impacted by approximately 6% as a result of the ramp down of our OTA client and Aviva contract extension. Revenue growth was led by the utilities, shipping and logistics, consulting and professional services, and insurance verticals which all grew over 10%.

From a service offering perspective, revenue growth versus the prior year was driven by research and analytics which grew at 27% and finance and accounting which grew at 21%. Sequentially, net revenue increased by $4.5 million or 3.7% with broad based growth across most verticals and service offerings.

On a constant currency basis, second quarter revenue increased 3.8% sequentially. Adjusted operating margin was 21.8% in quarter two as compared to 16.2% reported in the same quarter of fiscal 2014 and 17.9% last quarter.

On a year-over-year basis, adjusted operating margin improved 550 basis points as a result of currency and hedging favorability, increased operating leverage on higher volumes and improved productivity. Second quarter adjusted operating margin was also favorably impacted by $1 million of performance-based incentives and gain sharing.

We believe that this incentive serve to validate the tangible business value we are delivering for our clients. The sum of this benefit more than offset the impact associated with Aviva contract extension and our annual wage increases.

The sequential adjusted operating margin improvement of 390 basis points was a result of currency and hedging favorability, volume leverage, better productivity and quarterly gain sharing.

We do expect however that operating margin will return to the 18% to 19% range in the second half of the year based on today’s currency and hedging rates, anticipated investments and the non-recurring nature of gain sharing.

Interest expense this quarter was $0.3 million, down from the $0.8 million reported in quarter two of last year and 0.5 million last quarter as WNS continues to reduce our debt levels.

The company’s other income was $2.9 million in the second quarter, up from $1.8 million reported in the same quarter last year and down slightly from $3.1 million last quarter. The year-over-year increase in other income is the result of higher cash balances and $0.3 million for the non-recurring sale of some assets.

WNS’s effective tax rate in the second quarter was 20.7%, up from 13.3% reported last year and from 16.5% in the previous quarter. The second quarter tax rate included additional taxes of $1 million resulting from the finalization of the India’s budget which changed the taxability of our Fixed Maturity Plan investments.

The India budget changed our Q2 and associated first quarter catch up and 3.3% to the effective tax rate this quarter. The company’s adjusted net income for quarter two was $23.9 million compared with $17.2 million in the same quarter of fiscal 2014 and $20.4 million last quarter. This represented a growth of 39% year-over-year and 17% sequentially.

Adjusted diluted earnings were $0.45 per share in quarter two, up from $0.33 reported in the second quarter of last year and from $0.39 in the prior quarter. As of September 30, 2014, WNS’s balances in cash and investments totaled $153.7 million.

The gross debt position was $62.5 million with the company reporting a net cash position of $91.2 million at the end of quarter two. WNS generated $25.5 million of cash from operating activities this quarter and free cash flow of $17.1 million after accounting for $8.3 million in capital expenditures.

The company also reduced gross debt levels by $20.5 million this quarter as improved cash generation has reduced the need to use debt for some of our short-term working capital requirements. DSO in the second quarter came in at 30 days consistent with quarter two of last year and down from 32 days reported last quarter.

With respect to other key operating metrics, our total headcount at the end of the quarter was 27,734. Our attrition rate in quarter two was 35%, the same as reported last year and down from 36% in quarter one. Build seat capacity was 24,019 at the end of the quarter; up 96 seats versus quarter one.

Average build seat utilization in quarter two was 1.16 as compared to 1.17 reported in the same quarter of last year and 1.16 in the previous quarter.

The company remains focused on improving this key operating metric over the next few years, while [Technical Difficulty] that we have sufficient capacity and reach to service our client’s global requirement. In our press release issued earlier today, WNS provided our updated guidance for fiscal 2015.

Based on the company’s current visibility levels, we expect net revenue to be in the range of $500 million to $516 million representing year-over-year revenue growth of 6% to 9%. Revenue guidance assumes an average British pound to U.S. dollar exchange rate of 1.62 for the remainder of the fiscal year.

Excluding the projected year-over-year exchange rate impact, our constant currency revenue guidance represents growth of 3% to 6%. This guidance includes a 6% revenue headwind associated with the OTA transition and Aviva contract extension in addition to our normal business volume and productivity reductions.

We currently have 99% visibility to the midpoint of the revenue range, consistent with October guidance in prior years. Our 2015 guidance reflects year-over-year expansion in our adjusted operating margin; and debt adjusted net income will grow faster than revenue.

We currently expect adjusted net income to be in the range of $83 million to $87 million, based on a 61 rupee to U.S. dollar exchange rate for balance of the fiscal year. ANI guidance includes a $2 million negative impact to fiscal 2015, as a result of the India budget approval.

As a result, we now expect our full year effective tax rate to be between 19% and 20%. Adjusted EPS is expected to be in the range of $1.56 to $1.63, based on a diluted share count of approximately 53.3 million shares. We will now open up the call for questions.

Operator?.

Operator

(Operator Instructions). Your first question comes from the line of Joseph Foresi from Janney Montgomery. Please proceed, sir..

Joseph Foresi - Janney Montgomery

Hi. My first question here is just on the large deal signings; you’re about half of the way through, just kind of two parts to the question.

First, how comfortable do you feel about the remaining three targets? And then, when do you start to see the impact from these deals as they start to ramp?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hi, Joe. So first of all, as I mentioned earlier, we continue to be very positive about how the sales force has positioned WNS with the number of these large deals. As of the end of Q2, we have now already signed three of them.

And we definitely have a very good pipeline which we think should help us get to that six large deal number that we’ve been speaking about. So very confident in terms of the pipeline, in terms of the interactions we’ve been having with prospects, in terms of the visits that we are seeing, and in terms of the ability to get there.

Now in terms of progress thereafter, obviously all of these have different ramifications in terms of progress, once you sign a deal, it depends on what stage of evolution and outsourcing the client is in; are they first timers, are they more mature outsources things like that.

But at this point in time, we’re quite comfortable that beyond the transition period, our ability to ramp as we have traditionally done over the last few years is very high..

Joseph Foresi - Janney Montgomery

Okay. This year, we’ve had I guess the issue in the travel business and then of course you’ve had the renegotiation of a large contract.

I just wanted to know is -- are those two issues largely behind the company at this point and do you see any headwinds to top-line growth going forward?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. So, those two issues that we spoke about were issues that really were beyond the company’s control; and as soon as we came to know about them, we brought them out. And I’m delighted to say at this point in time they are firmly behind us. We’ve also done a press release on the insurance clients, so that’s well behind us.

And at this point in time we believe that both these accounts have significant potential for WNS over the medium to long-term.

Having said that, as we see it at this point in time, we do not see any other new kind of headwinds of the same nature other than the traditional usual stuff that you should expect to see when you move from one year to another and that is essentially driven by productivity and the usual traditional fall-offs that we have seen year-to-year..

Joseph Foresi - Janney Montgomery

Okay. And then lastly from me on the margin front, obviously the goal is to accelerate or expand the margins and increase the productivity.

Maybe you could just talk a little bit about what pace that’s going to take place and how we should think about the changes from quarter-to-quarter and year-to-year just from a modeling perspective?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Sure. Let me take that, Joe. I think from a company perspective, the goal at this point in time given where the BPM industry is and how we’ve invested and positioned within this industry is to accelerate our top-line and that’s clearly something we’ve been focused on and doing a good job as well.

We’ve also been successful at the same time in accelerating the company’s operating and profit margins.

That being said, if you will look at where we are today and again second quarter being somewhat of an anomaly in terms of how healthy the margins were, we’re looking at very, very healthy adjusted operating margins for the fiscal full year here in 2015.

The company’s goal going forward is to continue to try and nudge these numbers forward, but not at the expense of missing out on top-line growth opportunities. So we must continue to invest in our business to make sure that we’re positioning WNS for long-term healthy sustainable profitable growth.

But we do think there are opportunities over the next few years as the industry evolves as it shifts to higher value models as it shifts to higher value engagements that we could see some margin expansion.

But the primary focus right now is to accelerate top-line and to make sure that our operating margins and profit margins are at or above industry levels and we’re comfortable that we should be able to do that.

Certainly we would like to at the same time nudge those numbers forward over the next couple of years, but again, not at the expense of top-line..

Joseph Foresi - Janney Montgomery

Okay.

And just to be clear what are you considering industry levels for the margins?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Well, if you look at where the peer groups are now I mean we’re looking at 15%, 16% adjusted operating margins. And for WNS this year when you look at the numbers that were included in our guidance, so you’re looking at adjusted operating margins at 19%.

So, clearly from a company perspective we believe we’re above the industry at this point in time, but we want to make sure that we’re investing at profitable levels, while continuing to do some other things to leverage the investments that we’ve made in the past..

Joseph Foresi - Janney Montgomery

Thank you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Anil Doradla from William Blair. Please proceed..

Anil Doradla - William Blair

Hey guys, couple of questions. Now digging a little deeper into the OTA and the Aviva contract, when I look at your guidance from last quarter for the year to the current revision which is I think lowered at about $8 million at the midpoint.

Can you share with us what happened from these two dynamics, from the perspective of these two dynamics?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

So, from that perspective, Anil there has been absolutely no change quarter-to-quarter, there has been absolutely no change since we initially provided guidance two quarters ago. So, with respect to the headwinds there has been absolutely no change in terms of magnitude or timing.

When you look at our guidance now, the midpoint of our total was at $508 million. It’s down from $514.5 million last quarter which is a $6.5 million drop. And as we’ve said, we’ve had about an $8 million, just over $8 million impact as a result of currency.

So at the midpoint of guidance on a constant currency basis, we’re actually up quarter-over-quarter..

Anil Doradla - William Blair

Fantastic. Okay. I just want to double check on that. And then based on your commentary right now you’re talking about you guys being above industry level on the margin front.

Is it fair to say that as we look into the fiscal ‘16, the margin profile that we have will come back to kind of the mid-teens, are you suggesting that or I mean how should I be looking at -- how should I interpret your commentary about industry wide and how -- and given that you guys want to reaccelerate the top-line?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Let me take that. So I think what we’re seeing is that we’ve actually focused a lot on growing top-line, but also focused a lot on growing profitability ahead of the revenue growth. And that’s something that we have done in spite of the fact that we still see a number of other levers for growth, one of which really is seat utilization.

So at this point in time, we’re obviously not going to dilute the impact of where we are as far as margins are concerned. We want to give you comfort that there are actually a few more levers that we have which we are working.

But at the same time, we will not take a rise off the ball in terms of investing in our business, whether it comes to new offerings, new capability, sales, marketing, technology things like that. But at this point in time, we will say that we’re very comfortable with the margin profile, but we’ll continue to invest..

Anil Doradla - William Blair

Okay, great.

And finally, can you share with us what was the latest seat utilization?.

Sanjay Puria

So seat utilization on quarter two was 1.15..

Anil Doradla - William Blair

Okay. Thank you. .

Sanjay Puria

Sorry, 1.16..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes..

Anil Doradla - William Blair

1.16. Okay, thanks..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Edward Caso from Wells Fargo. Please proceed..

Edward Caso - Wells Fargo

Good morning, good evening. Just we’ve been hearing more and more that the finance and accounting part of the BPM universe is becoming more mature and requiring greater levels of automation. You had another good quarter on that front.

Is that related to the rollout of large deal what wins? And so why are you doing well, one; and two, what are you doing on the -- to make yourself more efficient to be competitive going forward? Thank you..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Great question, Ed. And I’d like to say that the reason we’re doing well on the F&A side is because we’re probably the best in terms of delivering on strategic messages there. Clients who have experienced us understand that, appreciate us and provide excellent references to advisors and the analysts as well as other new prospects, so that’s one.

Having said that, we have kept investing very strongly in building new capability on the F&A side, kept taking the value to new levels as a result of which we are reaching deeper and deeper into the controllers as well as the CFOs offices really progressing higher of the value chain in terms of some of the services we offer which are also obviously higher growth areas but also higher margin areas.

And in areas that involve high levels of calculation and which can be automated, we’ve actually been able to experiment with and successfully deploy robotic process automation tools which have actually enabled us to keep the pace very, very positive.

So, overall healthy growth area for us, big area of focus for us, and my view is this is an area that is going to sustain for a long time for WNS..

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

And just to add to that Ed, I think the other thing that’s important to remember is as we start new relationships and really start to kind of transform the growth profile of WNS away from our traditional customer base towards the large deals and the large relationships that we’ve added over the last two to three years, it’s very important to remember that F&A is typically a logical entry point for a lot of clients.

So, it’s very rare to see a customer, even a customer who was a vision to what their BPM initiative might look like over a four or five year period, it’s very rare to see that client start with core operations as the entry point to that relationship.

So, I do think some of the acceleration that we’ve seen in F&A is directly related to the fact that we’re adding new customers and new relationships and they typically will start with an F&A type of a component to the business. It’s very similar to what we’ve seen in terms of the mix of our profile between transaction outcome base and FTE base.

When you’re starting with new clients and you are adding new revenues, it’s very common for us to expect that it’s going to start on a timely material basis and that it’s going to start with some of the lower end service like F&A..

Edward Caso - Wells Fargo

The Tier 1 or India-centric providers have been talking about two different levels of success getting into the BPO sector, obviously they have much bigger client footprint than WNS does.

What -- how much you’re seeing them in the market, what success are you having when they’re involved in a big situation?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. So again, I think in terms of what we have seen over the past few quarters I would say that there is no significant change really, Ed. We believe that some of these players have been more opportunistic in terms of getting into a client and trying to expand the IT in kind of areas. With existing relationships they have also been defensive.

We’ve not essentially seen any significant pricing kind of impacts and pricing has been more or less stable except for a few exceptions where somebody has been desperate to do a deal maybe. But I would say that we have not seen any major changes.

And I must again underlying the fact that the value proposition that WNS offers to its clients to a superior understanding of business domain married with horizontal understanding and appreciation, as well as technological superiority where we make the process far more intelligent and far more efficient is what clients look for because the next phase really is all about using this information to deliver analytics and providing business decision support ideas which they are far better served by engaging with people like us as opposed to the traditional IT companies who are really good at IT services.

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Edward Caso - Wells Fargo

Last question, I believe that your prior disclosure around the SMP program was the $3 million impact and now you’re talking too.

Is that a pre-tax versus after-tax or is there just a lower impact?.

Sanjay Puria

So basically the $2 million impact is again it’s a pre-tax impact over there.

Based on the India budget change which was there, earlier we talked about $3 million, but after the finalization of the India budget, we rectified and amended some of the stuff over there and based on that the final [tactic] practice on $2 million, which has increased the tax rate by 3.3% for quarter two, as well as it’s going to be in the range of 19% to 20% for the year..

Edward Caso - Wells Fargo

So just to clarify the $2 million is a pre-tax number?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

The $2 million is tax number..

Edward Caso - Wells Fargo

A tax number?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Correct. So the big difference from where we were a quarter ago when we highlighted a potential impact to our earnings is the fact that the Indian government has removed the retroactive component of that tax. So when we talked about $3 million last quarter what was proposed by the Indian budget was that the tax would actually go back into fiscal 2014.

The tax is now effective and in first of fiscal 2015 and that’s why we only have a $2 million impact for the year..

Edward Caso - Wells Fargo

Terrific. Thank you and congratulations on the good quarter..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Ed..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of S.K Prasad Borra from Goldman Sachs. Please proceed..

S.K Prasad Borra - Goldman Sachs

Thanks for taking my questions. A couple if I may, firstly on your guidance for FY15. On the last deals, are you assuming that six deals need to be fine to hit them expand of the guidance? And second question is on the profits.

Can you please quantify what’s the benefit you’re seeing from your hedging strategy on operating profit for second quarter and also for second half of this year?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

So let me take that, S.K. I think when you look at the company’s full year guidance, two things. So one on the impact of currency, we did have about a $400,000 non-recurring hedge benefit in the second quarter.

With respect to what the full year benefit looks like from hedging, it’s very difficult for us to talk about that because it’s a function of what the benefits are in our core operating costs. So the way we hedge, which is 90% with the combination of forwards and option struck over the last two years.

So to try and protect ourselves from volatility that actually occurs through the operating costs which [wipe] through our direct costs, our revenue to a lesser extent and our SG&A levels. What we think it does is allows us to write about half of the upside of currency favorability, but manage the downside exposure to about 10%.

So relative to where we were a quarter ago there is probably not a huge change in terms of the impact from currency with the exception of the British pound. So the British pound has gotten worse for us, it’s impacted the top-line, but our hedging has actually protected us a little bit on the operating margin line below.

That’s really the only net change that we’ve seen because the Rupee has been relatively stable..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

And let me just add the other product -- address the other part of the question, which was on the revenue guidance. So at this point in time, our revenue guidance essentially just follows a consistency methodology. We now have 99% visibility to that midpoint; we’ve offered a range of numbers.

And within that number, we have a lot of confidence about our ability to actually complete those six deals. We have more deals than the six deals in the pipeline, but we’ll actually have to wait and see how things play out.

But again, I must give you comfort that it’s 99% visibility to the midpoint of the range and it’s just a range that we’re offering at this point in time..

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

So, the short answer to that S.K. is that the remaining three deals that we need to sign help us close the gap between 99% visibility and a 100% visibility at the midpoint which is 508.

And depending on how they come in, what the timing looks like and what the ramp looks like on those deals could potentially help us get to or above the high end of guidance..

S.K Prasad Borra - Goldman Sachs

That’s very clear. Probably just one more on the pricing environment for the large deals.

What are you seeing in terms of competitive landscape? And as you indicated earlier, as industry moves to high margin services, are you expecting more competition and what kind of investments are you thinking to face that kind of competition?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. So, we haven’t seen any irrational kind of pricing behavior by competition. I must say that upfront. Other than one or two deals where we’ve seen an IT player try to be aggressive, but we do not believe that that is a sustainable long-term proposition for anybody.

Having said that, I must also say that the clients on the other side are very savvy, very, very discerning in terms of the quality of services that they require, about the impact that they require from their strategic partners; and from that perspective we’re extremely comfortable about how our pipeline is developing, what kind of pricing we’re likely to receive for deals that we win, the impact that it has on margins.

But at the same time, we will continue to make investments. We are very comfortable in terms of where we are in terms of pricing the deals that we’re seeing..

S.K Prasad Borra - Goldman Sachs

Very clear. Thank you..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Mayank Tandon from Needham & Company. Please proceed..

Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company

[Technical Difficulty] to the big deals you signed last year, how are they fairing versus your expectations and also from a margin side, are they now additive to margins or are they still running below corporate average?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Let me take that one, Mayank.

I think anytime you have a portfolio of new accounts that you won, they’re all going progress at different rates, I think on average when you look at the five large deals that we signed last year, they’re progressing as expected as a portfolio; I think a few of them are doing a little bit better than we’d expected, a few of them are moving a little bit slower than we would have expected.

But overall, I think the revenue expectation and the progress has been pretty much on par with company expectation levels.

Similarly, the margins, I think we’re getting to the point now where some of them we have moved into profitability mode and are generating accelerated profit; some of them are still in transition mode and as a result, create drags on margin.

So, for us, when we look at the impact on company margins as a result of large deals, we have to look at the overall portfolio and look at not just what’s happened last year but also what’s happened this year and really looking at total transition as a percentage of company revenues.

And the good news from a margin perspective is we have not seen a material change in terms of that percentage. And as a result kind of as things are moving into transition mode, other things are moving out of transition mode and the company overall the margins remain pretty stable..

Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company

Great. Now that’s helpful. And then just on seat utilization, I know it’s still running at low levels relative to your history.

What is the realistic timeframe to expect some improvement on seat utilization and that can ultimately obviously drive margin expansion? What is sort of a timeline in terms of getting that number back to maybe more normalized levels?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Let me address that. Actually first of all I must acknowledge that we are disappointed with the progress on our seat utilization compared to prior performance. And it’s really a very key focus area for Ron and his team as we keep making progress on all these accounts.

Now I think what has actually impacted, the uncertainty that was created there about the ability to really improve seat utilization is essentially that a lot of the growth that we have seen over the last 18 months or so has come from outside of India and whereas the ramp downs and the volume-based pressure have all been India based.

So therefore the ability to plan for the seats has been slightly off color at this point in time. We’ve also had to add new capacities in some locations to service clients. So for example, just to remind all of you, South Africa, Philippines, Sri Lanka, we’ve had to add new kind of locations, new capacity.

And when you do that, you always end up adding a higher number of seats than you may require immediately. So that again impacts the seat utilization negatively in the short-term. I will say that at this point in time, it’s a very significant focal area for our Chief Operating Officer.

And we expect that over the next 12 to 18 months we will continue to see improvement in that area, assuming that the business flow dramatically does not change from what we expect it to be at this point in time..

Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company

Great. And then one final question on the two areas I was just looking at, Healthcare and Europe both tend to be small for you, but I would imagine they have a long-term runway. Could you just comment on anything you’re seeing in those two areas, again there maybe some overlap obviously.

But any tailwinds or headwinds that could either help or hurt your business overtime?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

So from our perspective, Mayank, Healthcare is an area to invest in. And we’ve taken that decision. We’re making that a focal area for us, making good progress on a number of deals out there and at the same time also looking at some strategic areas that we should be investing in over the medium-term.

So Healthcare is a positive area, area of growth for us and area of focus. Europe again is interestingly for us an area where we are looking to position some more sales feet on the ground.

At this point in time, it would be fair to say that our global client base have been expanding opportunities and delivery capability through us in Europe, but we actually believe that there is an opportunity for us to actually position more sales feet on the ground in Europe and very carefully generate new logos into the company from Europe.

So both of them, at this point in time, are opportunity areas for us..

Mayank Tandon - Needham & Company

Thank you..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks Mayank..

Operator

Your next question comes from Bryan Keane from Deutsche Bank. Please proceed..

Bryan Keane - Deutsche Bank

Hi. I might have missed this. But the operating margin improvement is 550 basis points.

How much of that was big currency and hedging?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Sure. Let me take that. So when you look at, Bryan, the operating margin coming in at just under 22% year-over-year, we’ve got just over a 500 basis point impact from currency. So a lot of it is. Now again it’s important to remember that there are number of things on a year-over-year basis that have been negative for us.

So these are contract extension impacted our operating margin about a 130 basis points. The annual impact of our wage increases impacted our operating margins about a 160 basis points.

So really what we’ve been able to do on a year-over-year basis is take the currency favorability, roll it through the numbers, absorb the impact of the contract extension, absorb the impact of our wages by leveraging the investments that we’ve made and by improving our productivity which is showing up both in terms of our ability to execute with fewer resources, as well as our ability to win business that come through in the form of gain shares and incentive.

So net-net, a lot of the favorability on a year-over-year basis comes from currencies, but again operationally we’ve been able to offset some of the one-time issues that we had earlier this year..

Bryan Keane - Deutsche Bank

That’s helpful.

And then will there be a benefit from currency still given where rates are today in the back half of the year?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

On a year-over-year basis, it’s actually in the back half of this year. If you look at currency, we’re getting close to where we were a year ago.

So, now that the Rupee has essentially stayed quite flat for the last 12 months in this 60 to 62 range, what has happened however though is the way we hedge and we way roll on these hedges; as we get closer and closer to the end of this full year, the hedge rates that we have will become closer and closer to the actual rupee to dollar rate.

So, we would expect some of the benefits that we’ve seen to start dissipate because that number is going to start to match up with the hedge rate..

Bryan Keane - Deutsche Bank

Okay. And then just to follow-up on an earlier question, I think the question was kind of referring to kind of typical headwinds or any known headwinds. And I think you guys were saying besides given the OTA contract this year, there is nothing really known of large consequence into next year but there is the typical business.

So just remind us typical kind of renewals and run-offs, what kind of headwind do you face as you turn into every fiscal year?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

So, we traditionally enter the year with about in a 3% to 4% of headwinds, I mean 4% to 5% of headwinds caused by some of the factors that you just named. Those are standard traditional planned for and therefore where the company grows at 10%, it means it’s actually growing at 15% but we’re giving back 5% in all of these formats.

And again, happy to say at this point in time, no known extra headwinds that we’re aware of at this point in time; so very much business as usual..

Bryan Keane - Deutsche Bank

So as we stand here today going into next fiscal year, shouldn’t we expect then increase or an acceleration in constant currency growth rates? I mean I guess that’s the important question is given that the size of those large contracts are coming off and given kind of where the run rate is ex those, it looks to us as long as those large deals come in as planned that you should see an acceleration for next fiscal year..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

So that’s -- so obviously we will provide guidance on next year sometime in the April but I can just assure you that the management team is completely focused on accelerating both revenue and profits at this point in time..

Bryan Keane - Deutsche Bank

Okay, thanks so much..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Puneet Jain from J.P. Morgan. Please proceed..

Puneet Jain - J.P. Morgan

Hey. Good morning. Thanks for taking my question. So following up on earlier question from Ed, many of your IT services peers are also focusing on increasingly automating clients’ business processes.

So, can you talk about like the order of magnitude of investments and technology tools, incubators et cetera that you talked about, so as to effectively compete with much larger peers?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure Puneet. So earlier in the year, we provided a $30 million overall CapEx program in our guidance for the year. And you should expect that we will spend that money this year definitely.

We will continue to spend somewhere in that region across -- each of the year essentially driven around seats as well as technology, automation tools, things like that and refreshment of technology.

Now, I think I want to clarify that from our perspective, when we talk about technology investments around process, it is essentially around OCR technology, workflow technology, technology that impacts the domain side of business and the processing side that makes processing far more simple, efficient and creates a much more sticky revenue stream for WNS.

We are not really focused on the application development and maintenance areas, but much more creating smart solutions as a result of which we’re able to introduce robotic automation tools, we’re able to introduce faster kind of processing ideas, we’re able to really help move some of our people into higher value areas and really focus on stickiness, as well as margin improvements.

So I think quite different to what the traditional IT services players would do, which is essentially around large platform play as opposed to what we would do within each one of our clients both horizontally, as well as vertically..

Puneet Jain - J.P. Morgan

Understood..

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

And I think from a financial perspective, Puneet, I think it’s important to remember what Keshav mentioned that our guidance for this fiscal year includes CapEx spending of $25 million to $30 million. It includes the incubator investments that we’ve made.

It includes our capability creation group and the work that they’re doing on evaluating new technologies. The one investment area from a technology perspective that is not included would be anything that we do from an M&A perspective..

Puneet Jain - J.P. Morgan

Understood, understood. That’s helpful.

And can you also share more details on $1 million in performance-based payment you got this quarter? What triggered that gain; is it repeatable?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Sure. Let me take that Puneet. I think when you look at gain sharing both from a magnitude perspective, as well as from a timing perspective, it’s somewhat unpredictable.

So with everyone of our outcome-based clients, we have a different set of performance criteria, we have a different timeframe that generates when those reconciliations are done to determine whether or not a gain share has been earned.

So there really is no consistent flow quarter-to-quarter or year-over-year in terms of what gain shares are or what they could be.

What I can tell you is the company as we continue to try and migrate some of our existing customers or existing mature customers try to migrate portions of their business to outcome-based is to leverage that because obviously the margins on this business are extremely healthy for us.

And when we’re able to recognize those gain shares not only do we have a good revenue impact and a good margin impact, but obviously we demonstrated quantifiable value to our customers because they are only paying us when they see the benefits from that.

So, from a company perspective very focused on trying to increase the amount of outcome-based revenue that we can generate and also focused on executing on that. But again, somewhat unpredictable in terms of timing and magnitude and that’s why we’ve called it out here in the second quarter.

It’s something that we don’t expect to happen in the same magnitude in the back half of the year. It doesn’t mean it couldn’t, but again something that’s somewhat unpredictable..

Puneet Jain - J.P. Morgan

Understood, understood. Last one from me on sales and marketing expense as a percentage of revenue are down from last year’s level and maybe lower than what you’d like them to be.

How should we think about that metrics on a go forward basis?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Sure. I think our SG&A levels on an adjusted basis are running in the mid 18% range for this year; they ran in the upper 18% range early. I think ideally SG&A as a percentage of revenue is something that we’d like to keep stable to maybe slightly bring down. But I think this is a function, Puneet, of the investment discussions that we’ve had earlier.

Some of the investments that we need to make will show up in the gross margin line, some of the investments that we need to make will show up in the SG&A line. But the goal is to make sure that we’re growing revenue at an accelerated rate so that we can leverage some of these investments going forward.

So I don’t think as a company we’re looking at any kind of a dramatic step up in the next 12 to 18 months in our expected SG&A percentage. Also understanding that the part of the reason is that SG&A percentage looks as low as it is, is because of the currency impact and the offset that shows up in the FX line..

Sanjay Puria

Yes. And maybe just to add to that, the first half of the SG&A specifically on the sales and marketing percentage is not the representation of the full year because there are certain event-based events which are going to happen even in the second half.

And accordingly as Dave mentioned, sales and marketing percentage is going to be more stable what we’ve seen in earlier years..

Puneet Jain - J.P. Morgan

Understood, understood. Thank you..

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Thanks Puneet..

Sanjay Puria

Thank you, Puneet..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of David Koning from Baird. Please proceed..

David Koning - Robert Baird

Hey guys, great job again..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

David Koning - Robert Baird

Yes, yes. And so I just had couple of quick one.

First one, we’ve asked this before the employee-based contracts, revenue contribution now I think 74% of revenue this quarter just a couple of years ago that was 61% in the transaction side kind of inverse is only about 17% of revenue, a couple of years ago it was running like 27% and I know there was the focus to get more transaction-based just declined quite a bit.

So I guess one is, why and I guess the second is, does that really matter, I mean margins are up a ton and it almost doesn’t seem like it matters if the transaction part grows?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Yes. It’s a great question, Dave. I think in the short term, your assessment is right. In any given year, in any given two year period, the mix of business between FTE-based and transaction-based and outcome-based isn’t going to have a huge impact on the overall margin profile of the company.

Now that being said, we do believe longer term that adds -- maturation occurs in the industry and more clients are willing to move towards transaction and outcome-based models that there is a margin opportunity for the company.

But with respect to kind of what’s happened to WNS over the last 12, 18 even 24 months, I would say there are two dynamics that have driven down the transaction-based as a percentage and driven up the FTE-based.

One as I mentioned earlier, as we add new clients and more of our revenue comes from less mature relationships, we would expect these relationships to start on an FTE-based, so we can establish baselines and we can establish the right productivity metrics that enable us down the road to move to transaction and outcome-based models.

I think the second thing that’s impacted us and we haven’t talked a lot about it is the fact that some of this is specific to some of the ramp downs that we’ve seen.

So when you look at the online travel client that has dropped year-over-year, that business was almost entirely transaction-based and it’s had a significant impact on that percentage of our total portfolio..

David Koning - Robert Baird

Yes, okay. That all makes sense. That’s good. And then I guess just the second question is just on margins. I know a lot of questions already on that but when we think about the normalized margin, you talked about the leverage that can make margins go up over time.

Should we think at the base client margin like the rest of the year you are talking about something like 18% adjusted margins, you’re expecting expansion kind of from that level, not from the 21% or so that you just did recently.

It’s more of expansion from a normalized 18% or so range over time, right?.

Sanjay Puria

Yes, you’re absolutely right. The normalized margin for the second half that will be in the range of 18% to 20%; and when we talk about expansion, it is from that normalized margin and not the 21.8% for the quarter two, which has some one-timers..

David Koning - Robert Baird

Got you, great. Well, thanks. Great job..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Ashwin Shirvaikar from Citibank. Please proceed..

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citibank

Thank you. Good morning, guys; and good quarter..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks Ashwin..

Sanjay Puria

Thanks Ashwin..

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citibank

I guess I want to revisit your comments on guidance, because when you say 99% visibility to 508 million versus 95% visibility to 514 million. And you basically raised constant currency guide. I mean personally I would view that as a positive move.

But can you help us understand the internal process for computing that visibility percentage and why not just keep the 95% level and just give us a higher range?.

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Sure, let me take that Ashwin. I think the reason that we do this is the guidance methodology is something that has worked well for WNS.

So, if you look at the nature of the BPM business, because it is to a certain extent an annuity based business and that there should be a high degree of visibility and predictability to it, what we found is that not that much variability occurs in our business from where we come into the year, which is why we typically start the year with the 90% visibility to the midpoint.

It gives people an understanding of what we have committed or in the bag when we walk in and it also gives a possible range of outcomes around it.

So if you look at the methodology for guidance, not only is it visibility based at the midpoint, but you’ll also see a consistency in terms of the range between the low end and the high end of guidance every quarter.

And what we understand about our business is as we move throughout the year A, the ability to outperform or underperform that visibility goes down significantly quarter-to-quarter. So, as a result what happens is the visibility as a percentage of total goes up. And the range of outcomes, both at the high end and the low end tend to come down.

So, we honestly think it’s a philosophy that works. When you look at what this means in terms of guidance, it means we really expected the company to be pretty darn close to the midpoint. If things go better than we expect or better than we see today, we have an opportunity to get to the high end or above the high end of guidance.

But to get below the midpoint or get to the low end of the guidance, something actually has to go wrong that we don’t have visibility to.

So what we find is this gives us a nice level of an ability to manage our business, to manage the guidance and to do it on a consistent basis, so that our analysts and investors are able to understand exactly what we’re providing and what we’re providing each quarter..

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citibank

Okay. And could you comment on sort of the ramp 2Q to 3Q to 4Q relative to historical patterns? How should it look? I mean I would imagine that as you get deeper into that OTA and some of these contracts you signed ramp, there should be a pretty good healthy exit rate 4Q heading into next year, right? I mean it should be pretty good ramp from here..

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

That’s clearly the goal Ashwin and I think it’s a function of the same thing. The closer we get to the high-end of guidance, the better our fiscal Q4 number is going to be and the better the exit rate and visibility will be walking into next year.

So, a lot of this has to do with not only whether or not we sign an additional three large deals between now and the end of the year because clearly getting to six large deals this year given where we are today is far more important to fiscal ‘16 rather than it is to fiscal ‘15. But really we have to look at the timing of these ramps.

And again, given where we are today given where the visibility is today, this is what we see. But if things move at a better clip, then yes, we should see a better acceleration through Q3 and into Q4 with the good opportunity to improve what that visibility looks like walking into next year.

But as Keshav mentioned earlier, the specifics on ramps beyond what’s committed today and what’s in progress today is something that the clients control not necessarily the company..

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citibank

Got it. As the balance sheet improves I understand that obviously selective M&A is quite important so maybe you could give us update on the pipeline there. But also given valuation, how do you feel about the modest level of capital return to investors, maybe an opportunistic buyback or something like that I don’t know.

Could you comment on that?.

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. Ashwin actually in my prepared comments I did address that and I must mention that that’s an area that the Board is discussing every now and then in terms of how best to deal with our cash. And as we mentioned earlier and obviously things that we would look at is obviously opportunistic M&A, share buybacks, dividends.

We’re considering all of it and at the right time we’ll keep you updated in terms of any decisions that are taken. Having said that, I must also mention that at this point in time, we are comfortable that we are building cash, we have quite a bit of cash.

But with this amount of cash, we would like to expect our clients to feel safe and sleep well at night. It is not something that we dramatically need to worry about too much at this point in time because it’s not that we have billions of dollars of cash at this point.

We’re building the cash and we’re quite responsible in terms of how we are discussing it at this point in time..

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citibank

Got it. Okay..

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

The short answer; as they are on the table, they are being considered. The company will look at share buyback, the company will look at dividends, the company will look at tuck-in M&A.

And again, to your question on the M&A front, you’re right, we’ve seen a number of deals that have come through our M&A pipeline which is fairly healthy, but it had valuations that don’t meet the company’s profile. So, we want to be opportunistic about M&A.

We want to find the right fits for the company and whether that’s from a technology perspective or from a domain perspective. But we also understand that we can’t continue to pay excessive multiples for these assets because the analytics space is hot today or the healthcare space is hot today.

So, we want to make sure that we’re doing a proper job of evaluating not only bringing these capabilities into the company, but bringing the capabilities into the company at the right price. And that’s something that as Keshav mentioned, the Board has been actively reviewing and is actively considering.

And clearly over the last two to three quarters putting in front of the company, putting in front of the analysts and the investor community options and alternatives for uses of cash have become increasingly important..

Ashwin Shirvaikar - Citibank

Got it. Thank you, guys. Good quarter again..

David Mackey Executive Vice President of Finance & Head of Investor Relations

Thank you..

Keshav Murugesh Group Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Operator

At this time, we have no further questions in the queue. This will conclude today’s conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect. Have a great day..

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