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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2020 - Q2
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Operator

Good morning and welcome to the Taylor Morrison Second Quarter 2020 Earnings Conference Call [Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. I would now like to introduce Mr. Jason Lenderman, Vice President, Investor Relations and Treasurer..

Jason Lenderman

Thank you, and welcome, everyone, to Taylor Morrison's second quarter 2020 earnings conference call. With me today are Sheryl Palmer, Chairman and Chief Executive Officer and Dave Cone, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Sheryl will begin the call with an overview of our business performance and our strategic priorities.

Dave will take you through a financial review of our results. Then Sheryl will conclude with the outlook for the business, after which, we will be happy to take your questions.

Before I turn the call over to Sheryl, let me remind you that today's call, including the question-and-answer session, includes forward-looking statements that are subject to the safe harbor statement for forward-looking information that you will find in today's news release.

These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations and projections.

These risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to, those factors identified in the release and in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, and we do not undertake any obligation to update our forward-looking statements. Now let me turn the call over to Sheryl Palmer..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Jason, and good morning, everyone. We appreciate you joining us today. We continue to find ourselves navigating these uncertain times, and I sincerely hope that you have all been healthy and safe and will continue to be.

Earlier this month, we provided an update on our second quarter results as a part of our debt refinancing project, which Dave will discuss in more detail soon. And at that time, we expressed how pleased we were with how the business has performed in the last few months after the initial impact of COVID-19.

I'm happy to report that those trends have continued through July. And with two more days left in the month, we're on track to deliver year-over-year growth in net sales of approximately 80%. That sales success translates to a projected pace of nearly 4 sales per outlet per month, about 60% growth year-over-year.

The resiliency of the business has been remarkable and something that has produced great pride within the organization. We pivoted quickly, established new norms and aggressively pursued strategies to ensure the safety of our team members and customers conforming to the necessary social distancing practices.

It's because of this flexibility that we were able to deliver our impressive second quarter results. So let me share some key highlights. We finished the quarter with 3,453 net sales, representing year-over-year growth of 23%. April represented our lowest sales point during the pandemic, where we were down year-over-year by 36%.

May was up 17%, and then June was an extraordinary up 94% on a year-over-year basis. The consumer data driving these numbers is worth sharing. Three of our largest consumer groups saw overly quarterly growth, entry level, first and second move-up and active adult, and they each have their own story.

The first two groups delivered solid growth both in timing and magnitude. And for those customers, the rebound was swift and steep. Our first-time buyer group was up 16% year-over-year, and I was delighted to see our move-up buyers up more than 20%.

The active adult group is where the most interesting narrative has emerged as their recovery has been slower at slightly better than flat on a year-over-year basis for the second quarter. This isn't surprising when you consider COVID-19 is generally higher risk for this age demographic, and air travel has been really off limits.

The sales success has come primarily from in-state traffic, which would be expected in our Texas markets. But generally, we have a much larger out-of-state seasonal buyer in Florida. Although I find most interesting that our in-state Florida sales on an absolute basis for this buyer was up more than 50% in the second quarter year-over-year.

Our out-of-state buyers remain highly engaged in planning for their winter travels. In fact, 40% of our website shoppers in the quarter were 55 plus, more than 2 times any age, other age cohort.

During the pandemic, we have seen the greatest success in our luxury lifestyle, golf, water and country club communities as they have all continued to perform well. The luxury active adult buyer has remained the most engaged, and it is actually the more affordable subset of this demographic that is taking a little longer to reengage.

The overall strength in sales drove a quarterly pace of 2.8, which ties to the highest level for a second quarter that we've seen in years. In April, our pace was down 43%. In May, it was flat. And in June, it was up over 70% year-over-year at 4.3, which was the highest pace in our company's history.

This is the most critical metric providing an apples-to-apples lens for sales activity levels. This strong performance was driven by both the Taylor Morrison and William Lyon legacy businesses. Closings for the quarter came in at 3,212, an increase of about 24% compared to the same quarter last year. In April, we were basically flat to last year.

In May, we were up almost 20%. And in June, we were up just over 55%. The difference from the low to the high point is tighter than what we saw with sales, which speaks to our ability to mitigate much of the disruption to our operations during the height of the stay-at-home orders.

This is largely attributable to residential construction being deemed an essential service, but it also reflects the internal protocols we put in place to make our employees and trade partners feel safe while working on our job sites.

The second thing to note with our quick ramp-up is we were able to further enhance our strong cash position, which Dave will speak to during his remarks.

Looking forward, I'm hopeful that trades will be able to shake the constraints felt during the pandemic and the most recent spike in positive cases that we have seen amongst some trade partners and manufacturers.

I'm often asked what's at the heart of our sales success or what is driving demand during such uncertain times? And do we think the drivers are sustainable? Although a complicated question, I'd like to share some of my thoughts, some macro-related and one very specific to Taylor Morrison.

First, the interest rate environment is the most accommodative I've seen in my career, with rates at all-time lows in and of itself provides an extremely strong stimulative impact. It's compelling for the consumer, drives real action, and more importantly, creates multiple ripples throughout the larger economy that benefit homebuilding.

Second, the resale inventory is extremely low. And coupled with the rate environment, it effectively pushes more demand to new homes. Third, there was a thesis at the beginning of the pandemic, involving a flight from urban areas where personal space is limited to more suburban or rural areas where space is more abundant.

I can tell you this is a real phenomenon, and we are seeing it come to life in our data. We now have about 20 consecutive weeks of targeted research on COVID impacts driving motivations with our buyers and shoppers.

And what we've seen in both our sales offices and virtually through our website is that what began as casual discussion has evolved into real action. It has become clear in our buyer data that these initial discussions have converted into sales.

Some are highly motivated to get out of the urban core, in addition to their motivations for bigger and more spaces, enhanced technology and a strong bias to new for the differences in health and wellness features. We've seen a steady appeal to new product as a reflection of customers' desires for safer and cleaner living.

As a result of this feedback from our homebuyers and customers, I am delighted to announce that effective August 1, all homes sold for new construction starts will include a number of Taylor Morrison Live Well product enhancements.

These products will be standard features in every home, including an upgraded air filtration system, a new whole house water filtration system and a microbicidal interior paint with a chemical-free formula, which absorbs bacteria and prevents mold, all contributing to cleaner indoor air quality.

With our customer spending much of their time at home these days, we want to positively contribute to their quality of life by providing standard features that will help keep them healthy. Our Live Well suite will also soon include several selections available in our design studios with both healthy and convenient options for our buyers.

And lastly, I continue to be encouraged by another significant driver of our strong sales performance, and that's our unmatched focus on the virtual experience with new innovative tools and digital capabilities. Our digital journey began long before the pandemic and will live on long after it.

The home shopping experience has an equal role to play in the overall customer experience. So we stood at more self-service features for consumers to do as much of their research at home and on their own time than ever before.

We aggregated our virtual tours from across the country into a single point of entry, making it easier than ever for shoppers to experience visiting a Taylor Morrison model or community without having to leave the comfort of their home.

The engagement of our virtual tools online continues to be more than twice as high as other web pages and with much higher conversion rates. The Web site offers more than just a digital retail experience but really serves as a true extension of our sales teams.

Recently, we introduced two innovative additions to our online suite of self-service and virtual options, self-guided tours and online home reservations. Our self-guided touring technology is live in completed inventory homes across the country, allowing prospects to enter a home on their own at a time that's most convenient for them.

And in a way that allows our customers to feel safe amid the current coronavirus health concerns. We also launched our online home reservations and have seen tremendous early success. Since launch, our online home reservations have about a 45% conversion rate to a purchase agreement within 24 hours of the reservation.

These tools are powerful on their own, but combined, they offer an ability to tour and purchase a home with greater ease than ever before. And to aid in our online selling success, we've equipped our teams with the tools and technology necessary to complete every step of the home buying journey virtually.

Today, most all of our buyers begin in their buying experience virtually. We believe more than half of our buyers take a hybrid approach where they complete nearly the entire buying process virtually but will visit us in person to complete their purchase agreement or to do their final walk-through.

And truly, the cherry on top is our complete end-to-end virtual buyer who never sets foot in a sales center and completes 100% of the sales process virtually. For the second quarter, we averaged 2.4 sales per day, 100% virtually. We know consumers have long craved technological advancements, self-service and convenience when it comes to our industry.

This transition has been long overdue and is one of the few silver linings to an otherwise extremely tough period. So how sustainable is the current environment? I'm not sure how good my crystal ball is, but thought I'd share a few thoughts.

When it comes to the mortgage rates, I don't foresee an event that will materially change what we're experiencing today. The Fed has made it clear they will work to protect the economy, and in their estimation, a low rate environment is one meaningful way to do that.

As for low inventory levels, they were relatively low before the pandemic, and that has only been exasperated in both total number of units and quality of inventory. The flight from urban to suburban areas is happening. And I think we'll continue to see it for some time. But that doesn't mean that urban living gets abandoned.

In fact, as I look at our more urban core positions around the country, we started seeing the communities rebound back in mid-May, and they have continued to thrive through June. Buyer preferences also, will continue to evolve, and I suspect that things will equalize over time.

We believe that a more structural impact of COVID is consumers' focus on their personal health and environment. We believe giving our homebuyers peace of mind around the quality of their home will eventually become table stakes in building and are so delighted to introduce TM Live Well.

And finally, the transition in our approach to the sales experience is absolutely here to stay. And I am pleased with how our virtual shopping experience is the first to have advanced to being truly an online buying experience. And as I said earlier, it's long overdue.

And as an organization, we're committed to continue to be out in front with these changes. Now let me turn the call over to Dave for the financial review..

Dave Cone

Thanks, Sheryl, and hello, everyone. Before I get into our second quarter financial review, I'm going to take a minute to discuss our recent debt offering because it showcases our consistent commitment to the stewardship of our balance sheet.

At the time of the William Lyon acquisition, we discussed our desire to eventually refinance a portion of the debt assumed as part of that transaction. Earlier this month began that effort when we raised $500 million, upsized from $400 million due to healthy demand to partially refinance our acquired 2023 and 2025 bonds.

In addition, we used $125 million of our cash on hand to partially pay down the same sets of notes while also covering the standard fees and call premiums associated with the refinance. In total, this effort will save the company about $10 million in annualized interest while also helping our focus to delever over time.

This is a first step in the overall vision of managing our existing debt, and we'll continue to be opportunistic as the market dictates. Assuming current trends continue, we hope to address the roughly $185 million remaining balances on the 2023 and 2025 bonds through a partial or complete pay down in the coming months.

We were able to incorporate a significant paydown piece to this refinancing project because of our strong liquidity. At the end of the second quarter and before the debt refinancing, we had over $900 million in total available liquidity.

About $675 million of that was cash on hand, with the remaining difference being capacity in our $800 million corporate revolver.

We did have $485 million in borrowings on the revolver at quarter end, but similar to the end of the first quarter, much of that has been held in cash on our balance sheet as we've taken a cautious approach to reserve liquidity during these uncertain times.

We anticipate paying off some or all of the revolver balance by year-end, subject to other considerations around balance sheet management, as I previously discussed. Our net debt to capital ratio at the end of the second quarter was 46%, and we expect it to be in the low to mid-40% range at year-end.

Our leverage continues to track well ahead of where we expected to be at this point in 2020, and we now believe we will reduce our leverage to the low 40% range by the end of 2021 as compared to our previous expectation of mid-40%. Turning back to results for the quarter.

Net income was $104 million and diluted earnings per share was $0.80 when adjusted for expenses and purchased price accounting related to the William Lyon Homes acquisition. Including these acquisition expenses, we reported net income of $66 million and diluted earnings per share of $0.50 on a GAAP basis.

Total revenues for the quarter were $1.53 billion, including homebuilding revenues of more than $1.47 billion. Homebuilding revenues were up roughly 20% from the prior year.

For the quarter, adjusted home closings gross margin, excluding 220 basis points and purchase accounting adjustments, was 17.6%, which is consistent with the second quarter expectations we shared in our first quarter call. GAAP home closings gross margin was 15.4%, inclusive of capitalized interest and purchase accounting.

The strong order success in the second quarter led to better-than-anticipated sales of finished spec inventory from William Lyon that sold and closed within the quarter.

While this did put a bit of pressure on margins, we are excited to be working through this age, finished spec inventory more quickly than we planned and is a big reason in how we drove the number of finished specs per community from 1.7 in the first quarter to 1.3 in the second quarter.

I'm also pleased to report that even with our effort to reduce this aged inventory, our second quarter total incentive levels were sequentially lower than Q1, as well as lower on a year-over-year basis. We are two quarters into the integration of William Lyon and have worked through some of the more significant headwinds impacting margins.

Reducing this aged inventory earlier than expected bodes well for margins in the second half of 2020. And while purchase accounting will continue to be a headwind for us over the next two quarters, it will be at lower levels relative to the first half of the year.

This should lead to sequential margin improvement as we move through the year despite some continuing integration impacts as well as our efforts to increase legacy William Lyon margins to be in line with that of legacy Taylor Morrison, a process that takes about 12 to 18 months to fully complete.

Moving to financial services, we generated approximately $40 million in revenue for the second quarter and more than $17.5 million in gross profit. Our mortgage company capture rate for the quarter came in at 81% compared to 72% during the second quarter of 2019.

We continue to be pleased with the capture rate as we've integrated our legacy Taylor Morrison and William Lyon Financial Services team. It's worth adding that as we look at the consumer data and our lending operation for the second quarter, our millennial buyers were up more than 38% year-over-year, and our single buyers were up more than 20%.

Our backlog capture looking forward for the new combined business is 87%. SG&A as a percentage of home closings revenue was 9.9%, representing 20 basis points of leverage over the same quarter last year.

The leverage was driven by increased scale, strong market conditions as we rebounded through the quarter and cost control measures we implemented in response to the pandemic. Adjusted EBT margin was 8.9%. And in addition to purchase accounting impact in Q2, we had approximately $18.7 million in expenses related to the William Lyon Homes acquisition.

We're through the vast majority of the expenses related to the acquisition, but you will see additional expenses over the next couple of quarters as we continue to integrate the business.

I'm encouraged to report that we continue to be in good shape with integration, which Sheryl will expand on later, and we can once again reaffirm our previous guidance of $80 million in annualized synergies.

Lastly, income tax was $17.6 million, representing an effective tax rate of 20.8% as we benefited from energy credits as well as favorable tax true-ups. During the quarter, we spent over $370 million in land purchases and development.

As demand has returned and we see sustainable trends, we began to slowly transition back to more normal course land acquisition and development activity. We had approximately 67,000 homebuilding lots owned and controlled. The percentage of homebuilding lots owned was about 72.5%, with the remainder under control.

On average, our homebuilding land bank had approximately 4.9 years of supply, of which, 3.5 years were owned at quarter end based on a trailing 12 months of closings, including a full year impact of the William Lyon acquisition. I'll wrap up by sharing our Q3 guidance.

For the quarter, we anticipate average community count to be about 410, consistent with the second quarter. Closings for the quarter are planned to be between 3000 and 3200. GAAP home closings gross margin inclusive of capitalized interest and purchase accounting is expected to be in the mid- to high 16% range.

In addition, we will have a charge of about $8 million related to the debt refinancing we completed earlier this month. Effective tax rate is expected to be about 22%, and the diluted share count is expected to be about 131 million. For the full year, we anticipate closings to be approximately 12,000.

GAAP home closings gross margin, inclusive of capitalized interest and purchase accounting, is expected to be in the low to mid-16% range. SG&A as a percentage of homebuilding revenue is expected to be in the low 10% range. We anticipate an effective tax rate of about 25%.

Land and development spend is expected to be approximately $1.4 billion to $1.5 billion for the year, and we expect our diluted share count for the year to be around 129 million. Thanks, and I'll now turn the call back over to Sheryl..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you, Dave. Before we move to Q&A, I'd like to share some local market updates. First, I'll focus on a few states that have been in the news lately with higher infection rates of COVID-19, including Arizona, Texas and Florida.

Out of the 11 states in which we operate, those three are in the top five for quarterly net sales growth on a year-over-year basis. When I look at pace, Arizona and Texas are in the top three for quarterly year-over-year growth. So the recent surge in cases doesn't appear to be dampening consumer demand.

As for the balance of our portfolio, each of those markets are at different stages of reopening with a few notable call-outs. In California, we saw nice sales recovery in each of the markets, including the Bay, which is still our only market that is not 100% open for business due to regulatory constraints.

Colorado business has added a needed affordable segment of the portfolio with overall ASP down nearly 10% for the quarter. The Pacific Northwest has seen meaningful improvement in sales over the last few weeks, even with Seattle on an appointment-only basis, while experiencing municipality restrictions similar to what we're seeing in the Bay.

The good news is our Seattle production was in the ground early in the year, and it is a high inventory turn market. The last topic I'll address is the progress we're making with the integration of William Lyon Homes. Let's break up the different integration categories, beginning with people and brand management.

We're 100% complete and have been for some time. Our other categories of processes, systems, product and synergies continue to advance, making good progress through the oversight of our integration management office. And I would describe each of them somewhere between 50% and 75% complete, just less than six months from the acquisition closing.

To say I'm pleased with our progress, given all that we've had to manage through, would be an understatement. It's because of this great integration work and what Dave alluded to in his comments that we remain in a position to reaffirm our $80 million synergy estimate on an annualized basis.

I want to close with a heartfelt thank you to our teams for exhibiting the type of resiliency we've always talked about but now have the opportunity to demonstrate. It's an honor to watch it, and I hope you know that you inspire me on a daily basis.

To our trade partners, thank you for being wonderful partners through such difficult times and for working with us to deliver the best experience we can to our customers. And to those customers, thank you for your business and for your loyalty to Taylor Morrison. With that, I'd like to open the call to questions.

Operator, please provide our participants with instructions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Carl Reichardt with BTIG..

Carl Reichardt

I had just a clarification question on the guidance to start with, just on the margins, David. And I guess it's a broader question, too.

What's the purchase accounting and integration impact likely to be in basis points or dollars on Q3 and for the year? And then when do you expect it to really bleed off and we're looking at sort of a core normalized margin?.

Dave Cone

So first, from a purchase accounting impact for Q3, it's likely going to be around 100 basis points. And then we're estimating right now for Q4 about 50 basis points. And that obviously will determine, be determined based on mix, but it should be somewhere in that neighborhood.

From a core margin perspective, and I think you know we've talked about this in the past, it takes us about 12 to 18 months to bring, in this case, the legacy William Lyon margins up to a level that's equal to legacy Taylor Morrison. And we've seen that with our past acquisitions, more recently with AV, when we were able to do it.

It took us a little bit more than a year. And I anticipate this to play out the same way. We've done a lot of work around our national contracts as well as regional contracts and a lot of the heavy lifting that's going on right now is down at the local level from a cost perspective.

And the way things are trending, we're confident we're going to fall back in between that 12 to 18-month window to get the margins where we want them to be..

Carl Reichardt

And then just, again, a bigger picture question here. So post Lyon, obviously, the mix has shifted significantly to the West. It's gone downstream to a certain degree.

So Sheryl, as you look at the markets that you have now and the mix that you have now, over the course of maybe 3 to 5 years, are you kind of happy with where this is? Or how would you like that, the change? Or where might you shift that over time?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

So let me break that into two pieces. I think one would be geographic and one would be consumer. When I look at our footprint today, with the addition of Lyon and getting into the Pac Northwest and into Nevada, we really like our footprint.

There's always possibilities, but we're quite content with where the business is today and being in the key markets across the U.S. When I look at consumers, Carl, part of the strategy with both AV and Lyon was that we had a stronger bias to that more entry-level buyer.

When I look at the business today, William Lyon was just over 80% entry-level and first move-up. Today, the combined business is about 72%. So when you take that and you add the active adult, we're really pleased with the consumer mix. I would say that as part of that, it was really about a change in average sales price.

When I look at markets like Austin, for example, the Taylor Morrison ASP was about 50% higher. And I look at places like Phoenix and Denver, where we probably brought those ASPs down 10-plus percent as well. So I like the entry level, I like the more professional entry level that we have. We like the active adults.

We're starting to see real movement there. So a long way of saying, I think the mix could move a few basis points, but it feels pretty good..

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jack Micenko with SIG. Your line is open. Please go ahead..

John Micenko

I guess, first question, Dave, on the balance sheet. When I'm looking at Bloomberg here, I think you had said you were thinking about paying off the balance of the '23s and '25s. They get about $150 million there. Am I thinking that right? And I'm assuming that $10 million interest guide does not include the payoff of the stub upon those 2.

Am I thinking about that correctly in total?.

Dave Cone

Yes. Let me just clarify one thing. The payoff's about $185 million or that's what we have left remaining on the two tranches. But to your point, yes, the $10 million that we talked about in the prepared remarks, that's just for the refinancing part that we took care of, plus the small paydown a few weeks ago.

If we were to, just as an example, pay off that entire $185 million, the savings annualized on the combined between the previous transaction and what could be the second transaction is probably more around $18 million, $19 million savings in interest..

John Micenko

And then Sheryl, just bigger picture -- you highlighted virtual, I think, maybe more than your peers and two sales a day completely virtual is pretty surprising. I'm thinking about what this means longer term on the SG&A side.

And you think about maybe less agent co-op, maybe more sales, less sales people per community, maybe more of a multi community. How are you thinking about -- you kind of had this real estate marketing has made like 5 to 10 years of advancements in about 6 weeks.

How are you thinking about that at a higher level on those points?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, it's a really good question, and Jack, one we're spending a lot of time on. So there's so much there. Let me try to attack it a couple of different ways.

I mean, I think, first and foremost, this was really about allowing the customer to interact with us, meeting them where they want to be, giving them a direct line to our sales associates, even when they can't come in. And we did that through the original technology, and that was setting up appointments.

When we started to see the success there, and to date, we've had over 9000 appointments set, there's still a desire for personal contact. If I look at those 9000 appointments in the last 3 months, 80% of them set up an appointment directly with the salesperson to come in and still meet with them and still have a private tour.

And the rest kind of divide their way between the other vehicles that they take and took advantage of. I'm surprised, but I'm not surprised because when I look at the way they're interacting with the site, Jack, it's really been interesting.

So if I look at like the new trends with the self-guided tours or the reservations, those are just literally a couple of weeks in. But we're already seeing pretty significant trends in the way they're going deep into the site. They're spending their time. If they're booking a tour, they're spending about 11 minutes on our site.

If they're making a reservation, it's closer to 14, 15 minutes. That's 5 times historical averages. So what we're learning from the consumer is they really crave data and giving them the ability to self-select, I think, is part of our new normal.

So when you look at our reservations today on inventory homes, I expect that will evolve sometime, hopefully, later this year, to reservations on to be built, pick a lot, pick a house.

And then I think the impacts of that, to your point, will really start showing up in the way we look at model centers, the number of plans that we have to put into our model centers, our co-broke opportunities, we're already seeing a trend. Now it's small numbers so far. So we'll continue to watch it, and I can update you next quarter.

But we are already seeing a trend that those reservations are coming at a lower percentage of co-broke than you would normally see in the business. So early days, but I think it becomes very promising.

Probably the last thing that I should mention is the real impact to SG&A is we spent about 50% in advertising in the second quarter that we did in the first quarter and generated significantly higher traffic, both, I mean, specifically on the website, and you saw what our sales were, up 94% in June. So I think it bodes very well..

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Alan Ratner with Zelman and Associates..

Alan Ratner

Congrats on all the progress, and nice job in the quarter here. So first question, maybe this is for Dave, just looking at the closing guidance. So if I look at your full year, it implies that 4Q closings are actually going to be less than 3Q, which obviously is counter seasonal and especially given the strong order activity.

And I'm imagining a lot of that has to do with all the disruption during the pandemic, but I'm curious if you could just kind of talk a little bit about what you're seeing as far as cycle times, labor availability.

What's really driving that conservatism in the 4Q closing guide? And kind of building on that a little bit, what's your current strategy related to specs because I know Lyon obviously was more spec-heavy than legacy Taylor Morrison? And I think you had indicated that you were kind of willing to keep an elevated spec count on those projects going forward, but the closing guide doesn't seem to suggest that..

Dave Cone

Alan, yes, thanks for the question. It's a good one. So yes, if you take the midpoint, it does imply that Q4 will not be the highest quarter closes as what is traditional. I think if we go back, we look at April and May when the pandemic came on, call it, late March, us, like the rest of the industry, we pulled back on starts.

Call it, April and May, our starts were down probably about one third. They were down a little bit in June, and we're just now kind of ramping that back up. So if you think about, as you said, the mix of specs that we have in our business, not having those starts, we don't have those homes to close in Q4.

And just from a cycle time perspective and you're starting to kind of, April, May, June is probably going to close in the fourth quarter. So that is the main driver of Q4 and the closing guidance. From a cycle time perspective, that one is actually pretty interesting.

I would tell you, with the pandemic and what's going out in the industry, we've actually seen cycle times either be flat to slightly better than they were, call it, this point last year. I think with the reduced level of starts, there was a little bit of a catch-up out there in the industry, which obviously favored cycle times.

The one probably push on that is maybe around the municipalities. But I would say, by and large, they've been great and working with us as well, trying to get either home started or over the finish line. We'll see how that plays out for the rest of the year. I think we're putting starts back in the ground, obviously, with strong demand, to your point.

We're targeting, call it, 6 to 7 specs per community. That's both in process and finished. We're obviously lower than that right now because of the shortfall and starts in April and May, but we expect to build that back up over the course of the year..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

And maybe I'd just add, Alan, I'll take the opposite, the unusual role for Dave and I to be more of the pessimist of the group. We saw that improvement in cycle time, and we saw that lag in total work. Some of this is just we don't know. Day to day, you see COVID crew impacts, you see manufacture impacts.

If we can retain those cycle times, but you have everyone, that lag doesn't exist anymore. Everyone put in a lot of starts. So if you can retain those cycle times, which I, I would expect we could. I think if you lose a week or 2, you do lose your fourth quarter, some impact on the fourth quarter closings. Then hopefully, we're a little conservative.

It's hard to be sure. If that's what we deliver for the year, we're going to have a wonderful first quarter..

Alan Ratner

And then, Sheryl, I guess just thinking about the portfolio now, obviously, through all the acquisitions, you guys are as diverse as you've ever been from a geographic and product standpoint.

And as you start to step back on the gas on land acquisition, I'm curious, based on what you're seeing in the market and your kind of views on what this post pandemic world could look like from a housing perspective.

Should we think about any notable mix shifts in the business going forward in terms of where you're allocating your spend today? Is there a price point you are more bullish on or more conservative on? Is there a geography you're more positive on going forward compared to where your current portfolio is?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, I think like I said before, Alan, I actually feel pretty good about the portfolio. I look at our overall inventory of 3.5 years owned. That's the number we haven't seen before, almost five years control, total cloned and controlled I like that. We're pretty much done for '21. '22, honestly, we're actually in pretty good place.

So there will be some opportunistic. When I look well beyond that, it's really going to be on the kinds of deals we put on the books really to drive the returns. But as far as the geographic and the consumer mix, I'm very happy with where we are. I think the other opportunity that you'll see us spending some dollars on is BTR.

Now we haven't really updated the Street because we are now just have gone horizontal on our first two projects. We're under contract on a number of other projects in Arizona and starting in Texas and Florida. So I think you'll see some dollars spent there. And I think that also bodes well.

When I look out over the next few years, the demand characteristics as potentially interest rates move, that this whole need, everything we're talking about for single-family living, will be very much alive and, if not, on steroids. And I think we'll be prepared on both sides of that..

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Michael Rehaut with JPMorgan..

Maggie Wellborn

This is Maggie on for Mike. First question on incentives. You mentioned that 2Q was down booked sequentially and year-on-year.

I was wondering if you could give us kind of a month-by-month breakdown of how those trended as demand strengthened, and then looking into 3Q and into July, what you were seeing in terms of incentives and any opportunity to take price in your markets..

Dave Cone

So yes, go back to kind of the March, April when the pandemic first began. Our bias was towards pace, obviously, moving the inventory because we weren't sure what was going to happen. So incentives did creep up during the April time frame and into May. Call it, early to mid-May, we started to see the strength.

We started to pull back on incentives, and they have fallen from there. Sheryl will give you an update on July. Market continues to be very strong, and we're taking back incentives where we can and obviously pushing price where we can..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

And I think that's the interesting pattern, Maggie, still, every month was lower than last year, but sequentially, to Dave's point, they came down. So first, incentives came down and then prices started to move up..

Maggie Wellborn

And second, just on SG&A and some of the cost control measures that you took early in the quarter.

In terms of those measures, as you're looking towards over the kind of the medium to longer term, how many of those cost control measures would you say are temporary and that those costs will come back as demand has returned? And how many would you say are kind of more permanent in nature?.

Dave Cone

Maggie, I'd say the vast majority were more temporary. They were around headcount primarily deferring some projects, things like that. We not only are seeing demand that has returned. It's actually, as you know, in excess of what we saw in the first half of the year.

So as we think about our business going forward, we're in the process of kind of ramping back up to meet the demand and the deliveries that we're going to have over the next six to nine months. That said, our SG&A runs relatively low, especially relative to the rest of the peer group.

And we continue to expect that will happen as we get the efficiencies of scale from William Lyon. We're starting to see that come through a little bit, but that's going to happen more so, call it, over the next three to four quarters..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, and I would hope the more permanent buckets, because from a headcount standpoint, Dave's right..

Dave Cone

Advertising..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

I mean look at the run rate of the business today based on our sales and the size of this business. But if you think about advertising and the efficiencies we're going to get through this virtual environment, if you think about co-broke, it won't change overnight, but even modest trends on the kinds of co-broke dollars are significant.

So you'll see some of those offsets..

Operator

Thank you. And our next question comes from the line of Jay McCanless with Wedbush. Your line is open. Please go ahead..

Jay McCanless

Good morning. Thanks for taking my questions.

The first one I had, if we look at the orders in 2Q, could you break out what percentage of those were to-be-built homes versus spec, and then in terms of the to-be-builts, when those should approximately deliver?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

It's close to half and half, Jay. So your to-be-builts, if you sold them in Q2, you have some markets that will deliver some, and then you have some that just won't. Because if you think about from sale day to start, I would say, depending on the municipality, could be anywhere from 3 to 10 weeks. It's quite a range.

But I think that to your point, the real important data point here is just that we continue to see success in both the to-be-built market as well as the inventory. People are, the consumer today knows what they want and are willing to wait for it and pay for it..

Jay McCanless

Definitely a good sign of confidence that people are waiting on the to-be-built home. The other question I had is around your split between your orders or closings, however you want to express it.

First-time buyers versus the move-up versus active adult, where are those percentage splits hitting now?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So like I said, Jay, it's, really, there's been a fair amount of movement year-over-year with the combined business. So right now, we are about 72% for the quarter. If I'm, depending on closing, if I'm talking closings or sales, one, they're 2 points apart. So 70%, 72% of entry level, first move-up.

There's a lot of blurriness between those 2 segments because a lot of folks from a price point are buying their first house, but they're waiting longer. So there's, so I kind of put those two together. We've seen a reduction in our second move-up, and in the quarter, a very slight reduction in active adult.

I expect that when I look at the active adult business, we'll see that ramp back up in the shoulder season given all the buying signals we're seeing from the active adult today. They're spending a lot of time on the phone with our sales teams, hours on the website. They've become our largest web user, which was a surprising step for me..

Jay McCanless

Yes. So if I could sneak one more in. You talked about how the luxury active adult buyer seems to be hanging in there.

What have you seen from more blue collar entry-level, white collar type of active adult buyer?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes. So another, like I said, another area of interesting kind of trend is we really dissected this active adult and what their behaviors were. I mean all along, we've seen the lowest can activity. But when we look community by community and product line by product line, there's two real interesting trends, and that's why we mentioned them.

One is the amount of in-state business. I mean our in-state numbers have gone, especially in Florida, have moved meaningfully. And it's not because the total is down, so it's not a percentage game. It's the absolute numbers have really moved.

The out of state, we've seen another interesting trend, and then I'll get to the subset, is things like, Connecticut has become a really important feeder for Florida that those folks are all of a sudden able to sell their homes because there's a lot of movement out of New York and then relocate to Florida.

So that's where a lot of the Internet business is coming from. But so far, we've seen our most success in what I would say are our highest price point, luxury living. I think these folks look at the environment and see it as a staycation and moving to Florida and within this country club environment.

Having said all of that, probably in early June, we've started to see the more affordable active adult come back in larger numbers. It just took a little bit longer..

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Ryan Frank with RBC Capital Markets..

Ryan Frank

So some of your peers, there's been some difference in how everyone is approaching pace versus price.

And with kind of absorptions running hot across the industry, I just want to see where you fall in that spectrum, if you're willing to run pace a little more, maybe run out some community counts or if you're thinking about pushing price to kind of slow that for the balance of the year..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

So you're not going to love the answer because, but it's just being honest. It really does depend. But let me walk you through the journey. If I think back to early in the year, it was really about moving our pace to a better place. We felt that we had greater opportunity and we generate more efficiencies with something much closer to 3 than 2s.

As we got to COVID, it was probably that on steroids, not knowing, not having a crystal ball. You have to plan for the worst. We knew we had some very challenged inventory. It was about moving that inventory..

Dave Cone

That's the William Lyon..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

And that was the William Lyon inventory. Thank you. And we had, it wasn't just the quality. It was the amount of inventory in specific positions. Yes. Some of their specs were just a little dated, and we had too many in the wrong place. So it was about moving those. So it was absolutely a pace. As you got to mid-May, I would tell you that has changed.

And as we said earlier, we start really pulling back discount. And then by early June, I would tell you, we were really starting to move price.

Having said all of that, I'm going to say there's this overall cover of you really have to look at each individual community, the competitive factors, the supply, what's behind it, our ability to replace it, the gaps you're creating. But if I were to say, if I were to generalize over the portfolio today, I would tell you, my bias is price.

But 90 days ago, I would have told you it was pace..

Ryan Frank

And then just one last quick one for me.

How are you thinking about kind of the mix of owned versus options on a go-forward basis over the next couple of years?.

Dave Cone

Yes. Ryan, kind of going back in time a little bit, we were, a few years ago, kind of in that low to mid-30% range. With the acquisition of AV that was largely owned, that dropped us down to, call it, the 20% range. And then William Lyon actually kind of boosted that back up to the mid-20% range.

I would tell you, longer term, we would like to see the control number go up. That's probably somewhere ideally back to the low to mid. You see that we're working on our total years of supply. We're now down below 5, but we're always going to be a little bit longer maybe on the owned just given that we're a developer as well.

But we do see opportunity over the next, call it, two years to continue to increase that ratio of controlled versus owned..

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Truman Patterson with Wells Fargo..

Paul Przybylski

This is Paul Przybylski. Dave, I guess looking at your 3Q gross margin guidance, it looks like the lion's share of that improvement is going to be from reduced purchase accounting impacts.

And then if I were to add in some hits from the William Lyon inventory sales this quarter, that kind of implies that your core gross margins might be down slightly quarter-over-quarter.

Am I thinking about that correctly?.

Dave Cone

No. I wouldn't say they're going to be down. I mean, I guess, keep in mind, the largest two drivers are going to be purchase accounting like you mentioned. But it's also the mix. So going back to the earlier discussion around the William Lyon margins right now are running lower than what they are on the TM side.

We're going to see that kind of persist, hopefully get a little bit of an increase. But the greater mix in there is going to have an impact. I can tell you, on the data that we have on the legacy TM side, we're definitely seeing margin accretion.

A lot of this is going to come down to what we're able to do from a specs standpoint on homes that we can both sell and close in the quarter and what we can do from a pricing standpoint. So no, I would argue that we're going to be, probably worst case, flattish, but I actually think slightly up on a core basis in Q3.

And I feel more strongly about that as we go into Q4 and into next year..

Paul Przybylski

And then, Sheryl, thanks for the walk around the MSAs or demand. But as we look out into the fourth quarter, obviously, June and July is strong for everybody. There's going to be a tremendous push for the industry to close.

Any particular areas you're more concerned about from a labor perspective and getting those closings across the finish line? And on top of that, you mentioned some material issues.

Are you seeing any shortages in any product categories?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, there's a flavor of the week each week, Paul. I would tell you, the more systemic ones have been appliances. That one has been the most difficult, I think that started with a lot of COVID cases. And I think management was in the manufacturer plant trying to get appliances out.

So I think that one has probably been the most systemic from there, it gets very local. I mean I've seen landscape crews go down. We've seen some cabinets. When you combine that with the volume of starts, I think the places where I've heard the most pressure are Phoenix. I mean, the market is just tremendously hot.

And I mean we are holding back releases and taking very healthy price increases with every release out to market in just about every community we have. I would tell you, we're seeing that through Texas. And parts of Florida. So this is what we do, and we'll work our way through it. But I think that's why it's hard to project.

You get a letter one day that has the cabinet plant shutting down or the window plant shutting down. If it stays down for three days, we'll make it up. If it stays down for two weeks, we probably won't because everybody else is going to be in the same bind. So I wish I could be more specific, but it's really hard to know.

In many places, we have the inventory, and I'm not concerned at all about the deliveries, where we have a lot of May, June, July starts. Those if the labor gets tighter or there's this race across the industry or hopefully not a bidding up of labor, we'll get there. It's just going to be a little lumpy..

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Matthew Bouley with Barclays..

Ashley Kim

This is Ashley Kim on for Matt. The first question I wanted to ask was on the 2Q orders saw a strong exit rate pro forma of around 30% in June and kind of continuing to similar levels in July.

When you think about the tough comp in 3Q and the assumption that this probably, in part, reflects some pent-up demand from the shutdowns, how much of this do you view as kind of sustainable going into the back half of the year?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

So I just want to make sure I answer the question you're asking. I don't know if you're on a speaker phone, but it's not coming real clear, Kim.

Do you mind giving me that one more time?.

Ashley Kim

So when you think about the 2Q, the strong exit rate in June and July and you think about the 3Q comps and the assumption that this probably, in part, reflects some pent-up demand from the shutdowns, how much of that do you view as sustainable into the back half of the year?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

I don't think we're going to continue on a four pace like we saw in June and July. We don't, we won't have the inventory given the sales pace. We are absolutely selling out of communities, which doesn't allow you to bring communities up. I expect that the trend will, positive trends will continue.

We will have some seasonality come into the back half of the year. And I think we'll continue to see great year-over-year success, but I wouldn't expect them to be at the 80% to 100% that we've seen in the last couple of months..

Ashley Kim

And then on community count, when you think about your positioning, especially into 2021 as these orders kind of sell through and go through your land supply, how are you thinking about community count into 2021? Are you comfortable with the amount of land you have in the pipeline to support growth next year?.

Dave Cone

Yes. We're not quite ready to get into '21 from a guidance perspective. But from a land perspective, I can tell you for the closings that we're planning, we have about 99% of the land either owned or controlled. And in fact, you get out to '22, we're over 90%. But give us a little bit more time to come back from a community count perspective.

I don't know if there's going to be much of a deviation, probably slightly up. But like I said, we'll have to see where demand is this year. That's obviously going to drive it for closing out communities a little bit faster than maybe we originally thought. But we'll know here in the next quarter or so..

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Alex Barron with Housing Research..

Alex Barron

I wanted to ask, I think last quarter, you had guided to about $10 million of transaction expenses, and it was a little bit higher.

So should we expect that there's going to be no more in third quarter? Or are you still expecting a little bit more in third quarter?.

David Cone

We're probably going to see a little bit leak into, call it, the next two quarters. I don't think it's going to be much. The vast majority of it was in Q1 and Q2.

I think if we do see any kind of excess, it's probably going to come from maybe some leases or if we extend folks on retention, obviously, it's a different work environment with folks working at home. So if we're doing the integration, we're, as we talked about, we're well on track for that.

But we might have to extend some folks as well just because things are a little bit more challenging in a stay-at-home environment..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

There are some things we just can't get done until we put people together, yes..

Dave Cone

And maybe the last thing I'd add on that, Alex, is a chunk of that would probably be noncash as well. So some of that could come through [indiscernible] the cash side..

Alex Barron

And then as it pertains to your mix of homes now that you've integrated William Lyon and AV Homes, what percentage, I guess, of your orders that came in this quarter would you say are entry level or first time? And how does that relate to your land purchases for that same type of product at this point or going forward?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

I would say there's not real differences between what we're seeing in the orders and our investment strategy and replacing the communities that we have, Alex. And as I said, I mean, when I look at our orders and our closings, I think that's really what says it best.

There's not really a difference between, if I look at entry level first move-up on the closings, it's about 70%. When I look at it on the sales, it's 71%. So pretty darn consistent, and I think our land strategy generally follows suit..

Operator

And our next question comes from the line of Alex Rygiel with B. Riley..

Alex Rygiel

You touched upon it a little bit, but can you go into a little more detail on your build-to-rent program? I believe you have two projects now. You had looked at three new markets.

Has COVID changed your views at all in the build-to-rent market?.

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

COVID has, I mean it might have put us 4 to 6 weeks behind in the new markets that we were going into, that we were starting to staff up. But now I think from a strategy standpoint, it's only accelerated our excitement on this asset class and the opportunity that it creates.

Once again, if you, if we were to kind of talk through all the things that we're seeing in our consumer research and the need for space in single-family living, this has actually helped us right in the sweet spot. People want to get out of multifamily. People want their backyard. They want high technology, and they still want a lifestyle.

And if they can achieve that in a single-family home and be part of a community without having the burden or maybe they don't have the financial resources to buy, I think that this is an asset class you need to watch very carefully in the next five years, because I think it's going to be a very different thing than it is today..

Operator

And I'm not showing any further questions. And I'd like to hand the conference back over to Ms. Sheryl Palmer for any further remarks..

Sheryl Palmer Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Well, thank you very much. I appreciate you joining us today. I hope you all take care of yourselves. Stay safe, stay healthy..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may all disconnect. Everyone, have a great day..

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