Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to The Hanover Insurance Group First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. My name is Matthew and I will be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. We will conduct a question-and-answer session toward the end of this conference.

[Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Ms. Oksana Lukasheva, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please proceed, ma’am..

Jack Roche, President of Business Insurance; Andrew Robinson, President-Specialty Lines; Dick Lavey, President of Personal Lines; and Johan Slabbert, Chief Executive Officer of Chaucer.

Before I turn the call over to Fred, let me note that our earnings press release, financial supplement and a complete slide presentation for today’s call are available in the Investors section of our website at www.hanover.com. After the presentation, we will answer questions in the Q&A session.

Our prepared remarks and responses to your questions today, other than statements of historical fact, include forward-looking statements, including our 2016 outlook. There are certain factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those anticipated with this press release, slide presentation and conference call.

We caution you with respect to reliance on forward-looking statements, and in this respect to refer you to the forward-looking statement section in our press release, Slide 2 of the presentation deck and our filings with the SEC.

Today’s discussion will also reference certain non-GAAP financial measures, such as operating income and accident share loss and combined ratios excluding catastrophes among others.

A reconciliation of these non-GAAP financial measures to the closest GAAP measure on a historical basis can be found in the press release or the financial supplement which are posted on our website, as I mentioned earlier. With those comments, I will turn the call over to Fred..

Thank you, Oksana, and good morning, everyone. And thank you for joining our first quarter earnings call. I’m pleased to share with you we’re off to a solid start to the year with strong financial results and continued earnings momentum.

We delivered net income per share of $1.80 and a record first quarter operating per share of $1.64 which was a record for us, and we yielded operating ROE of nearly 11%.

Our success during the quarter was fostered by strong execution of our business strategy that resulted in an improvement of our consolidated accident year ex-cat combined ratio of 93%, 1 point better than the same period last year; a relatively low-level of catastrophe losses; domestic growth of 4%; and a strong business mix which favorably positions our company for the current-market environment; strong investment income and stability in earned yield and some thoughtful capital management actions.

Our results through the quarter are fundamentally in line with our expectations and we remain confident that we will be able to achieve continued progress and deliver earnings growth going forward this year.

I will now turn the call over to Gene to go forward over financial results, and then I will further discuss our outlook and accomplishments of each of our businesses..

pricing trends, underlying business mix, additional expense ratio leverage, along with prudent reserving actions, we believe should result in further underwriting improvement. In personal lines, the underlying loss ratio for the quarter was 60%, 4 points better than the first quarter of 2015, driven principally by the homeowners line.

Most of the improvement was associated with the mild winter this year, resulting in lower non-catastrophe weather losses. In addition, we are seeing the impact from prior underwriting initiatives and favorable pricing in our homeowners and auto books, providing even more confidence in our ability to generate further margin accretion.

While many in the industry have faced frequency headwinds in personal lines, we have not seen the similar increase, which we attribute to our geographic mix and account focus.

On domestic expenses, though they were impacted by the timing of certain costs, we remain confident that we will deliver 0.5 point improvement in the commercial lines expense ratio, while personal lines ratio will remain essentially flat to last year. Turning to the Lloyd’s business.

Chaucer delivered yet another solid performance despite challenging market conditions, reporting a combined ratio of 90%, slightly above the prior year quarter. Net catastrophe losses were virtually non-existent in the quarter, while favorable development was strong at 13 points, with favorable experience in all major lines.

We should note that it is consistent with the level of development in 2015, excluding the impact of UK motor. Adjusting for the exit from the UK motor business, Chaucer’s current quarter accident-year loss ratio increased 8% - 8 points compared to the first quarter of 2015.

The increase in the quarter was driven by large losses in energy and marine, particularly in our trade credit business, where we are prudently establishing reserves for additional potential commodity trade credit-related exposures.

The expense ratio for the quarter benefited from foreign exchange movements in the RITC transaction, which had no effect on earnings but increased the loss ratio and reduced the expense ratio by similar amounts.

As previously reported our expense ratio now tracks at a higher level following our exit from UK motor business, which had a much lower commission rate. Taking into consideration our projections through the end of year, we remain on track to achieve a full year 2016 expense ratio at Chaucer of around 41%.

Although market conditions in most of Chaucer’s business classes are challenging, we remain focused on maintaining the size, quality, and margins in our current portfolio, and we believe we are in a position to deliver underwriting results of Chaucer in line with our guidance for a mid-90 combined ratio in 2016.

Total consolidated net written premium declined 6% for the quarter all-in. And 2%, excluding the impact of the UK motor sale. Commercial lines grew 4%, personal line premiums increased 3%, while Chaucer net written premium declined by 20%. Fred will have more color on our top-line performance in a few moments.

Overall, our bottom line and top line underwriting performance was generally in line with our expectations. We remain on track to sustain combined ratio improvement and to deliver target returns.

Turning to investment results, cash and invested assets were $8.4 billion at the end of the quarter, with fixed income securities and cash representing 89% of the total. Our fixed maturity investment portfolio had a duration of 4.2 years and is roughly 94% investment grade. Portfolio remains high-quality and well-laddered.

Net investment income was $68 million for the quarter, compared to $70 million in the prior year quarter. The decrease is the result of a lower average invested asset base, in large part due to the transfer of the UK motor business and associated investment assets.

This was partially offset by the investment of higher operating cash flows and additional income from growing asset classes, such as commercial mortgage loan participations, equities, and partnerships.

Our total portfolio pre-tax yield was in line with the prior-year quarter at 3.41%, while the earn yield on fixed maturities drifted slightly lower to 3.57% from 3.64% in the first quarter of 2015. I’ll finish with a few comments on the strength of our balance sheet and capital position.

We ended the quarter with $3.8 billion in total capital and a debt-to-total capital ratio of 21%. Our book value per share was $69.30, up 4.7% from December 31, 2015 and 5.1% from March 31, 2015. Excluding net unrealized gains on investments, book value per share was 63.52%, up 1.3% from December 31, 2015 and up 8.6% from March 31, 2015.

During the quarter, we continued to actively and opportunistically manage capital. We purchased approximately 610,000 common shares for $48 million at an average price of $79.23 per share. As of May 3, we had $241 million remaining under the current share repurchase program.

In the beginning of April, we successfully priced and issued $375 million of Senior Unsecured Notes due in 2026 with a coupon of 4.5%. We will use the net proceeds from the issuance to redeem our outstanding 7.5% notes due in 2020 and our 6.375% notes due in 2021.

We expect to record a non-operating charge of approximately $58 million after tax in the second quarter, principally associated with the redemption make-whole provisions. Locking in a lower cost of debt should further enhance our long-term earnings power and reducing ongoing operating expenses.

It will also increase the overall tenure of our debt capital and create a larger more liquid lower price benchmark going forward. Overall, we are very pleased with our strong balance sheet position and believe it will continue to provide a solid foundation from which to grow our business. With that, I’ll turn the call back to Fred..

Thanks. Thanks, Gene. We are very pleased with the progress we made in the first quarter in both our domestic and our international businesses. Overall, we performed in line with our expectations. Specifically, we grew our personal-lines business, achieving strong profitability.

We grew in targeted segments and commercial lines, while continuing to prove mix, and we continue to navigate through challenging market conditions at Lloyd’s, while continuing to invest in our specialty portfolio. We feel good about our progress made to date and the prospects that lie ahead.

More specifically, in personal lines net written premium growth was slightly ahead of our expectations at 3.2%, driven by our strategic focus on account business, new business momentum and strong pricing disciplines.

We held rate at approximately 5%, which remains above loss costs, and our retention improved to 83%, up 0.5 point over the same period last year. We have several initiatives underway to capitalize on the momentum we have established in our personal-lines business.

We continue to gain strong traction in our Hanover Platinum product, now fully deployed across all our target states. This enhanced coverage and service offering associated with high quality account business, high umbrella penetration as well as much stronger retention.

Our Platinum product has elevated the overall quality of our personal-lines business and has allowed us to write more of our agents’ best business. Additionally, we continue to make investments to improve ease-of-use for agents and to help them address business opportunities.

We expect these investments to strengthen our market position and accentuate our value-proposition to our agency partners. Additionally, we remain on track to enter the Pennsylvania - enter Pennsylvania personal lines at the end of this year.

While this will not have meaningful impact on 2016 results, it’s a significant milestone that marks our momentum and confidence, and our ability to strategically expand our geographic footprint across the U.S. and with our value-added offerings.

The benefits of the hard work we have done over the last few years to improve our mix, both geographically and through the launch of Platinum have come to fruition, and are clearly evident in our results.

We delivered a very good underlying performance, improving our accident-year combined ratio excluding catastrophes by over 3 points to 88.3% compared to the same period last year. Overall, we are very pleased with our strong first quarter results in personal lines.

And we believe we can continue to deliver improved underwriting profitability and grow at a steady deliberate pace of low-single-digits in 2016. Turning to commercial lines, we delivered solid net premium growth of 4%, remained disciplined in our approach, balancing price and retention to drive needed margin, while maintaining steady growth momentum.

We achieved pricing increases of 4.3% in the core lines in the quarter with solid retentions of 83%. While the market continues to exert rate pressure, we have been tightly executing our pricing segmentation in both our small and middle-market businesses.

We continue to prudently balance retention on our best business, while simultaneously driving higher price increases on less profitable risks. As we have said in the past, pricing certification [ph] is not the only one of the levers we use to improve margins in today’s competitive environment.

We implemented property and exposure actions, we have taken substantial action in auto, and we have over the last handful of quarters, taken targeted underwriting and pricing actions in CMP liability in response to the elevated prior-year activity we experienced.

Additionally, we are building upon industry specialization in target segments to better align customer risk to our capabilities, enhancing our value-based offering and mix to achieve consistent performance through the cycle.

This approach better positions us to help our agents consolidate their business and to compete more effectively in the current market environment. In specialty lines, we continue to build scale and momentum as these businesses are benefiting from the market disruption and the addition of top quality talent.

In healthcare, our expanded allied capabilities focusing on facilities risks has given us strong momentum coming out of 2015 and into the first quarter of 2016.

In management and professional liability, the 2015 launch of our updated private company and not-for-profit DNO package is gaining real traction with true best-in-class products, claims and service-center capabilities.

Additionally, our launch of Merit, our transactional ANS [ph] business in its fourth year of operation, is beginning to make notable contribution. We expect this - that specialty will be a strong source of profitable growth going forward.

Overall, we are very pleased with the composition of our business, the pace of growth, the overall quality of the commercial business portfolio. And we continue to be on the path to deliver profitable growth of mid-single-digits this year. Turning to Chaucer, overall earnings were in line with our expectations, although lower than in prior quarters.

As we have reported in the past, underwriting performance in our recent years have benefited in part from very benign claims experience. Given the competitive market of Lloyd’s, we are being cautious with our approach to growth and focusing on our areas of distinctive capabilities.

We believe we’ll be able to deliver our long-term financial target with a combined ratio in the mid-90s. On the premium side, the decline of 20% in the quarter at Chaucer ex-UK motor, was at the high end of our expectation, but very consistent with our strategic approach. Underwriting margins and profitability remains the utmost priority at Chaucer.

As discussed, we are actively using reinsurance to manage our risk appetite, while retaining leadership and influence in our chosen specialty classes. This enables us to effectively exchange top-line premium for greater earning stability.

About half of Chaucer’s net premium decline in the first quarter was due to this strategy, as most of our reinsurance renews in the first quarter. Additionally, in the quarter we responded proactively to a challenging energy market, reducing our position in certain parts of this business.

As you know, these actions have been and will be offset by our investments in a number of specialty areas that we have pursued over the last couple of years. These initiatives will continue to develop and provide increasing benefit to our top and bottom line in 2016 and beyond.

For example, we recently introduced a new freight forwarder and logistics insurance unit, which will work closely with Hanover’s, in the marine team, to deliver new solutions for the cargo logistics industry.

Early in the quarter, we had added a new team and we created political-risk solution for emerged markets that builds on our emerging market offering to provide brokers and clients a broader solution set for their political-risk requirements.

Additionally, we recently joined in a strategic partnership with AXA to expand our access to new business opportunities in Africa through our extensive distribution network.

Though we expect Chaucer’s top line to reflect the challenging market this year, we will continue to leverage our access to business through Lloyd’s, the Hanover agency network and other production platforms to create profitable growth opportunities. All in all, Chaucer remains on target to reach our outlook and financial plans for 2016.

We also had an active quarter for capital actions. Our main capital priority remains to support our growth. We continue to return capital to shareholders, repurchasing $48 million worth of shares in the first quarter.

And additionally, we actively manage our debt and took advantage of the low interest rate environment by issuing $375 million of 10-year notes at 4.5%. As a whole we look ahead with confidence, as we track in line with our original earnings guidance.

We have good momentum in our businesses, which sets us up for this year and for next, as we enjoy the impact of improved retention, positive rate and the strong quality of the business we are writing. In regards to our progress to name my successor, I expect an announcement will be made relatively soon.

In the meantime, as you could see from our results, the business is performing well. We are not skipping a beat financially or strategically, as demonstrated by the numerous business initiatives domestically and at Chaucer as well as our capital management actions. The board remained rock solid on selecting the right candidate for the job.

And I am confident that it is succeeding and you will learn the fruits of its efforts before long. With that said, this is in all likelihood my last conference call with you.

It has been an honor and privilege to serve here, and I have every confidence that the company will continue to prosper; and that my successor, the Leadership Team, our employees and our partner agents will succeed in taking this company to the next level. I appreciate the support you’ve shown me over these last 13 years.

And I will miss these quarterly calls with you, at least most of you. And with that said, we would like to now turn - open to the operator for questions..

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Please stand by for your first question. And your first question comes from the line of Matt Carletti of JMP Securities. Please proceed..

Good morning, good morning, Matt..

Hey, thanks. Good morning.

How are you guys?.

Good, good, good..

All right, I just have one question. You covered most of the kind of the topics I jotted down in your prepared comments. And that relates to capital management and the buyback. It was roughly $50 million in the quarter. And when I put that together with your dividend, it’s pretty darn close to kind of quarterly earnings.

Is that absent any changes, any opportunities for strong growth or consumption of capital along other lines that, is kind of capital returned through buyback and dividend roughly equal to earnings kind of a reasonable expectation or run rate?.

I would say no more than that. We will continue to be opportunistic and it’s one of the levers that we use to achieve our overall performance targets. So I wouldn’t necessarily take it and multiply it times four. It’s a question of what the opportunities are and then when do we want to deploy our capital..

Yes, so, Matt - I think that’s right. And so, Matt, you know that, what we’re trying to do is make sure, we’re thoughtful and not carry a lot of excess capital. We think we have - what we have done is build a pretty resilient earnings, and in my view much more consistent earnings and earnings growth power. So we try not to hold a lot of capital.

So we will continue to do it. Now it’s an interesting time, right. So there’s a lot of different ways to do that. And we’re trying to be opportunistic on the shares, price given the volatility, but you’ll see a continuation of thoughtfulness as far as getting capital back there..

All right, great. Thanks, that’s really helpful color. And congrats on a very nice start to the year..

Thanks, Matt..

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line of Charles Sebaski at BMO Capital Markets. Please proceed..

Good morning, Chuck..

Good morning. A good quarter overall, but I’d like to drill in a little bit more on the commercial line adverse. I realize there are lots of things going right, but the $14 million and the other line in particular, I think probably, is one of the things that might give people a little concern.

I was wondering if you could just help us out, what kind of confidence - that this kind of bleed is not likely to persist and any other that you’d share on that?.

Yes. So let me - I am going to hit if off a little bit to my colleagues. But one of the things, what I look at as we look at what happened in the first quarter, as you know for last three years or something, what we try to do is react very quickly to any activity and take as much of it to the bottom line that we see immediately.

I would tell you that it is all in areas that we’ve kind of been focused on. It’s within kind of the context of our plan and our outlook. So I think, for me, we’re right on track to continue the earnings increase, there’s really no surprise. The current accident years are holding up really quite nicely.

And so there hasn’t been any emergency or anything in areas that at all new or surprising. And Andrew, do you want to get some more color on this, so….

Sure Chuck, this is Andrew.

Not - as Fred said, there isn’t really a great deal of change in terms of what we saw from the prior quarter, there’s a little bit of a tilt towards GL, that was driven by four specific claims, two of which were of large settlements, which were considerably above our case reserves, and two that we moved to limit its losses.

What I would say is, slightly different is that where last quarter, some of what you saw was IBNR strengthening in this particular case, most of what you saw or nearly all of what you saw is case strengthening.

And I think that the decision here is that after the fourth quarter movements, we didn’t want to erode the IBNR strengthening that we have put up. There’s a little bit of that going on, but in terms of the underlying trends, there’s not a great deal of change from the last quarter..

Okay.

So two large settlements, larger than established case, is that mean, I mean, like when you look back on the GL and you have settlements in excess of case, does that make you think that maybe the remainder of the case needs further IBNR, or increase of existing cases that are still there? Was that all part of this?.

Yes. So when we see this, I think in general, we are as an organization, and I think it cuts across the organization, we are very attentive to go back, and ask ourselves to what extent we have the right case strength in light types of exposure.

Because you can start to see, while those four examples are rather random, some of them fit with some other things that we’ve seen in the past. And so we do go back and we asked ourselves for similar types of legacy claims. Do we have the right case strength? And frequently we will do a bit of a sort of volatility analysis on our claims.

And then, we will adjust case if we believe there’s like situations that require that kind of adjustment..

Yes. So I would say, we feel very good about what our picks are, as I said, and that we are on track. That’s what I meant by within our plan and in our focus. And on track to do kind of what we said, we were going to do and increase earnings. And I would also say that our balance sheet, for me, last year, this year is stronger.

I mean that we are in a good place..

Great. Under the personal lines business. I wonder if you’d comment on the growth, obviously stronger than you thought, a little stronger than I thought, and that’s great.

I’m wondering if this is attributable to the Platinum product, to how the Platinum product is fitting to this, and is this maybe a better run rate going forward? I know you gave a little color, but I guess within the product mix and in particular the Platinum piece of it?.

Sure. Hey, Chuck, this is Dick Lavey. So we are excited and happy with the performance on the top line, so that when you look at all of the KPIs associated to that buildup to that top line number, feeling really good about the retention lift. We do think there’s some room there still, and Platinum will contribute to improved retention going forward.

Our new business was strong up 7%. So yes, the answer is Platinum, which now makes up close to 20% of our book, and 75% to 80% of our new business is absolutely going to lead to improved performance, we think. And we hear from our agent partners that it’s a first-rate, kind of best-in-class product offering.

So going forward, we continue to - we will see that mix improve. I think, I’ve cited before some of the nice kind of mix statistics that come along with Platinum, like 44% of the time we are selling an umbrella with the full package. That overtime leads to higher retention. We know from kind of our analytic work.

So all things kind of point to the right direction. That said, we feel comfortable that a low-single-digit growth is the right number for us to see into the rest of the 2016 - our PIF is, as you may have seen kind of flat sequentially from prior quarters, so we’re happy about that.

Meanwhile, our account PIF has been growing really since the first quarter of 2015. So that we expect to continue as well. So all in, you should expect from us kind of a thoughtful measured growth plan. As we think about expansion into other states, we’re also going to be very thoughtful about that.

Fred referenced that we’ll be heading into Pennsylvania, tail end of this year into the winter. SO that will open up some nice growth opportunities for us going forward. But you should expect kind of what you’re seeing from us this year..

Great. I appreciate it. And then finally, I guess on the Chaucer, if I can, and the large losses in the marine and trade credit.

Wonder if I can get just a little bit more color on the trade credit and the commodity rated losses? Are these IBNR from commodity movements? Are they case losses, and what commodity movements are most sensitive to that business?.

Go ahead..

Hello, Chuck. I’ll respond, it’s Johan speaking. In general the commodity prices we’re referring to is in the steel and iron ore area. And most of this is IBNR rather than case reserves.

As a result of the deterioration, you can imagine the scenario whereby autos have been placed in prepaid, and a declining commodity price whereby the trader receives the goods at a substantial lower value. And that will continue to put pressure on the trade credit exposure.

So from that perspective, we’re anticipating there will be deterioration, so we have put in an IBNR to reflect that in the first quarter..

And that kind of makes up the majority of the accident year increase?.

It splits into two different areas. There is energy, outside of the trade credit and political risks scenario, where we have a number of larger than expected losses across - or an additional turret [ph] loss which reflects modeck [ph].

And then, we have had one or two other smaller ones, but there is, I would say 50% of it is energy, the other 50% would be our political risk type credit exposures..

Appreciate all of the answers, and congratulations, Fred, on getting things wrapped up at the top of the shop..

Thanks, Chuck. I appreciate it. Appreciate it..

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line of Dan Farrell of Piper Jaffray. Please proceed..

Good morning, Dan..

Good morning. A couple of questions, just another follow-up on personal lines, PIF. You talked about sequentially, finally hitting a point where it’s levelized, and it’s obviously been declining year over year.

I’m curious, from what you said, I think that - has the decline been driven more by the net of the mix change, whereas you’ve been growing account business, but you’ve been really shrinking the other stuff? Or is it less exposure, more mix change I guess, and are we hitting a point where now that account business is a bigger piece that will finally - can transition to sort of some PIF growth?.

Yes, that’s exactly right, Dan. Our efforts to improve profitably and shed some of the monoline business will start to tail off and that has been the drag. So we will - you’ll start to see that PIF take up..

Yes. As you know, this - we did a lot of exposures stuff early on, this is really just the monoline, right? Letting the monoline go in various ways. Sometimes proactively with arrangements with other competitors, where we facilitate it and some places it’s just through the planning process.

And so that - what’s exciting about where personal lines is to me is that ends. And then you’re really living off the partnership.

The other thing I would tell you is that we just came back from our partnership meeting with our best partners, and what’s interesting to me is they all, the importance to their business of this account oriented business is quite significant, and they see our product distinctively better.

So what we’re all working hard with them is actually transitioning some of their install base business to our product set, because it would be better for them long-term, which will give us a boost at the tail end of this year, and going into next year. I think we have really good momentum in that product..

Just one final comment, Dan, to put it into perspective, we sort like to boast about this number, but 86% of our new business coming on the books today from our partner agents is account business. So you can really feel that our distribution plan understands the kind of business that we write.

It doesn’t mean we don’t write any monoline, obviously, but the majority of it is account business, and we - that’s a coveted thing to be able to achieve in this industry, we think. 81% of our install book is account business. So it’s….

The demographics are perfect. It’s really - it is their sweet spot for account middle-market and upper-middle-class customers that really want the full-service, which really bodes well for our future retention..

So as you heard me say, that account PIF has been growing since earlier last year, so it is this kind of drag that will soften as we go forward from the monoline business..

Great, that’s helpful. And then a question in the commercial line segment, I was wondering if you could comment on how you’re feeling about commercial auto, right now? I think if we had talked to you almost any past quarter you would still say that’s an area that we’re concerned and might still be running hot and we’re monitoring closely.

But it seemed like this quarter, not much of a change in reserves and the accident years coming down.

Do you think we are sort of hitting an inflection where you might have less concern in that area going forward?.

Yes, I think that’s true. I think as an industry, commercial auto is far from back to where it needs to get to in terms of overall profitability, but we feel more confident than ever that our current trajectory with our accident years are looking good.

The amount of claims that are vulnerable to this kind of delayed litigation phenomenon that we’ve experienced is the pool of claims is going down, it has gotten to a pretty finite level.

So yes, when we look back into the rear view mirror, we are seeing that accident year or prior accident year drag diminish, and we’re feeling as good as we ever have about our current accident year pics. You’re also seeing across the industry, and certainly in our results, again real strong pricing.

As I said at the last call, we had roughly 7 or 8 points of pricing over the last three years in this line. This year, we’re still in that mid-to upper-single digit range. And the market is continuing to allow us to both get price over loss trend, but also continue to drive our mix in a favorable way..

Great.

And then one just sort of numbers thing that I apologize if I missed in prepared remarks, do have what new money yield was on the portfolio versus where we are in existing yield right now?.

It’s 267..

Okay. Great. All right. That’s all I have. Thank you very much, guys..

Thanks, Dan. I appreciate it..

All right..

Thank you for your question. Your next question comes from the line of Christopher Campbell of KBW. Please go ahead..

Good morning, Chris..

Hi, good morning.

Just a further question on the succession, will the new CFO be named in the announcement, when the CEO is announced?.

So a couple of things, so Gene has agreed to stay on as long as we need him.

But what one of the issues we have right now or one the opportunities we have is, in parallel we have been working on the CFO search and I feel very good about that, so as soon as we finalize the CEO, I will be working with him to make the selection, and so what’s going to happen is that’s going to be quite accelerated from the announcement.

It won’t be like this, with the length of this one. It will be shorter, but it won’t be simultaneous. We’ve done a lot of work and reached out and had a lot of good conversations. So I feel very, very good about being able to move on that in short order after the CEO pick..

Okay.

My next question is on the adverse commercial CMP reserve development, which has kind of been steady the last three quarters, are there any particular accident years that you are seeing this come from?.

They’re really transcending over the last three, and as I described in the last call, they are coming from a finite group of claims in primarily major metropolitan areas, heavily out of New York and Southern California and the like.

That are for the most part slip, trip and falls that we are getting kind of late notice of the medical buildups and the litigation from these claims.

So in that regard, it’s similar to some of what you saw in commercial auto, but what’s different is that these are - it’s much smaller portion of claims, it’s much - even more sensitive to the major metropolitan areas, where we believe that there is an increased focus on litigation on soft tissue, and the light type injuries, that are showing up in a delayed fashion and more pronounced fashion than historically seen.

So this is our third quarter of acknowledging some prior year development, and in the GL line as part of CMP, and as promised, we’re trying to kind of deal with this as we go and we don’t see this being an outsized issue.

But we are diligently working not only on the claims side, to make sure that we’re getting it right, but also have taken some substantial actions in the major metropolitan areas to make sure we don’t have outside exposures that primarily are coming from slip, trip, and fall type occupancies, whether that be real estate or retail..

Okay, thank you. Just a question for Gene on the debt refinancing, if my counts are correct it looks like you’re saving about $8.3 million pre-tax, or roughly like $5.6 million post-tax, I’m just assuming a 32% tax rate.

Given that you’re paying $58 million in the make-whole to retire it, I’m calculating about a like 10 year payback period, where I would think normally like five would be marginal.

So I’m just trying to get a little bit more color behind like the strategy of that debt refinancing?.

Well, I would say it’s less driven by kind of a cash-on-cash analysis than it is the market opportunity that we see and the fact that we think that that has a window that isn’t sustainable forever. We know that we want to continue to use leverage in our capital structure, so we felt that this was an - the right opportunity.

The issue of kind of the cash-on-cash calculation, I mean from another perspective is economically, that higher cost of our existing debt economically has already been incurred, the question is how long do you want to take to pay it. It is already built-in to basically the fair value of that liability.

So we just felt that really there are two separate situations that we have going and we do need to manage our leverage sort of in the low 20s. So all-in-all, we felt this was the right time to do it, because the market was available to us. And we didn’t want to miss it..

That’s helpful. And then just one final question on Chaucer, if I back out, if I back out UK motor from last year’s results, I still end up with about 340 bps of higher reserve development. So just given the - I think it was like the 820 bps uptick in the current accident year core loss ratio, taking - backing out UK motor.

How should we think about Chaucer’s core losses and reserve releases going forward?.

Yes. I think in general, what I would tell you is as I said, our view is that the balance sheet is stronger today than it was at the end of the year, and stronger than last year.

So in that business, we are conservative about our reserving, and so we believe that you will see a similar pattern to what we’ve done over the last year into the future year, likely. And again, we do not believe in any shape or form that it was outsized this quarter from our track record [Technical Difficulty]..

I’ll just add a few more comments to that, in terms of what we are seeing in the diminishing margins, you would automatically assume that the loss ratios will creep up. However, to Fred’s point earlier, as we are purchasing reinsurance in a slightly different shape to avoid that.

We don’t see a significant deterioration in the current year loss ratios..

Good luck to you on your endeavors, and best of luck, Fred, in the future..

Thanks very much..

Thank you. Your next question comes from the line of Larry Greenberg of Janney..

Good morning, Larry..

Good morning and thank you. Actually, all my operating questions have been answered, but I guess just on the CEO announcement coming relatively soon, I guess three months was the outside time frame for that given your conference call comment.

But, I mean, it sounds like you are implying maybe something in a matter of weeks? Is that a fair interpretation?.

Yes it is. I’m not going to be that specific, but yes, it is..

Okay, thanks. And Fred, I just want to congratulate you on just a pretty incredible tenure at Hanover. And I’m sure you have a lot of shareholders, who would be equally thankful for that run that you’ve had, and certainly good luck in the future..

Thank you so much, Larry. I appreciate it.

What’s interesting about Larry’s question in my view is that I think the outlook for the next two years is the brightest the company has ever been, and I think what you’ve seen in the trends and most of the businesses is that our ability continue to grow earnings and be well-positioned is probably as strong as this company has ever had, so it’s pretty exciting right now..

Thank you. And you next question comes from the line of Wayne Archambo of Monarch Partners. Please go ahead..

Hey, Wayne, good morning..

Hey, good morning, Fred. I just want to echo the prior comments, as a long-term shareholder of the stock, I’m very sorry to see you leave. The work you’ve done speaks for itself, and I think hats off to you for enhancing shareholder value over the years.

And I hope the Board of Directors is up to task to find a suitable replacement, best of luck, Fred..

Thank you so much, Wayne..

Do we have any more questions?.

No more questions. Ladies and gentlemen, I would now like to turn the call over to Oksana Lukasheva for the closing remarks..

Thanks to all of you for your participation today, and we’ll look forward to speaking to you next quarter..

Thank you for joining in today’s conference, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes the presentation. You may now disconnect..