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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2023 - Q3
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Operator

Hello and welcome to the Paysafe Q3 2023 earnings conference call and webcast. If anyone should require Operator assistance, please press star, zero on your telephone keypad. A question and answer session will follow the formal presentation. You may be placed in the question queue at any time by pressing star, one on your telephone keypad.

As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Kirsten Nielsen, Head of Investor Relations. Please go ahead, Kirsten..

Kirsten Nielsen Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you and welcome to Paysafe’s earnings conference call for the third quarter of 2023. Joining me today are Bruce Lowthers, Chief Executive Officer, and Alex Gersh, Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin, a reminder that this call will contain forward-looking statements and should be considered in conjunction with cautionary statements contained in our earnings release and the company’s most recent SEC reports.

These statements reflect management’s current assumptions and expectations and are subject to factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from those forward-looking statements. You should not place undue reliance on these statements.

Forward-looking statements during this call speak only as of the date of this call, and we undertake no obligation to update them. Today’s presentation also contains non-GAAP financial measures.

You can find additional information about these measures and reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP financial measures in today’s press release and in the appendix to this presentation, which are available in the Investor Relations section of our website. With that, I’ll turn the call over to Bruce..

Bruce Lowthers

Thanks Kirsten, and thank you all for joining us today. Let’s jump right in. This marks our fifth consecutive quarter of year-over-year revenue growth, demonstrating progress on our turnaround and strategic initiatives.

Our third quarter performance shows growth across our key metrics, including volume, revenue, adjusted EBITDA, adjusted EPS, and last 12 month free cash flow, building upon a strong first half of the year.

Third quarter revenue of $396 million increased 8% year-over-year or 5% on a constant currency basis, with trends consistent with what we discussed in the second quarter. We recorded 6% growth in the merchant solutions segment led by double-digit growth from ecommerce.

In the digital wallet segment, revenue increased 12% on a reported basis and 5% in constant currency, driven by double-digit growth in classic digital wallets which was partially offset by softer performance in eCash.

Third quarter adjusted EBITDA of $116 million increased 22% year-over-year and 18% in constant currency, reflecting 320 basis points of margin improvement. Our net leverage ratio was 5.1 at the end of the quarter, down from 5.8 at the end of last year and well ahead of our original target for 2023.

Based on our strong progress and financial results to date, we’re pleased to reaffirm our full year guidance for 2023. We also announced today that our board has authorized a share repurchase program, giving the company the opportunity to repurchase up to $50 million of common stock.

We remain highly focused on investing in our business to support growth while continuing to reduce leverage. I would also like to congratulate our team for receiving several awards during the third quarter.

First, Paysafe won Best Digital Wallet at the Digital Bankers Global Payments Innovation Awards, and we were also highly acclaimed for best payments-led financial inclusion initiative.

In the iGaming vertical for the third straight year, we were recognized as the Payment Service Provider of the Year at the prestigious American Gambling Awards from Gambling.com. We were also recognized on CNBC’s list of Top Fintech Companies in the digital payments category.

It’s always great to see our teams recognized for their dedication in delivering exceptional payment experiences. Turning to Slide 4, I’ll reiterate that we continue to make progress across our strategic focus areas, starting with sales transformation.

In the third quarter, we closed 45 enterprise deals, which we define as agreements with more than $100,000 each in annual contract value.

As we’ve discussed previously, our wins with both new and existing clients were supported by our new vertically focused go-to-market structure, which has improved our ability to sell Paysafe as a strategic payments partner. We have also been committed to improving the customer experience for both sides of our ecosystem.

On the merchant side, one of our focus areas has been to drive greater deal efficiency, including faster on-boarding. As just one highlight, when we look at merchants on-boarded in September, our average contract to launch time frame was 10 days earlier than what we were delivering in Q2, which reflects 14% improvement over the previous quarter.

Continued focus on process improvement, system consolidation and the creation of targeted customer success teams is driving the optimization in this area. On the consumer side, we continue to see ongoing progress in our funnel optimization and improvements to the gateway experience.

For example, our merchant checkout conversion is up more than six percentage points year-over-year, reflecting a number of enhancements such as the optimization of merchant integrations, simplified log-in and registration flows, better analytics and better payment method selection.

On product innovation, in addition to the improvements to product usability, we’ve talked about leveraging our wallet platform to drive value for our clients and bring together merchants and consumers. In Q4, we are conducting the initial launch of the Paysafe business wallet, a digital wallet for U.S.

SMB that uses the digital wallet to collect merchant acquiring settlement. Over time, the range of money moving capabilities and services will be expanded with a longer term product vision to combine foundational capabilities along with addressing the underserved needs of our SMB clients.

Ultimately, we’re focused on driving the wallet here in the U.S. in a way that adds value for our merchants while also creating a flywheel effect. Lastly, we’ve recognized a unique opportunity to enhance and broaden our wallet platform for unbranded solutions.

Our foremost objectives are to enrich the capabilities of our wallet platform and facilitate the growth and success of our merchant partners. Our focus is on empowering businesses to create customer experiences aligned with their brand by leveraging the advanced features of our platform.

We are well versed in the regulatory landscape and licensing requirements which our clients and prospective clients appreciate in Paysafe’s offering. We are enthusiastic about advancing these initiatives with a number of key deals in the near term pipeline.

Moving to Slide 5, I’ll provide some additional color on the progress that we’re seeing across the sales initiative. In the third quarter, we saw balanced electivity across our target verticals, including new merchants, continued strength in cross-selling to our client base, and expanding geographically with our clients.

We now have doubled our sales headcount in direct sellers versus the same time last year, and we saw 103% net revenue retention through Q3 year to date, which has been supported by the work we’ve done to realign our account management resources.

As another highlight, we’re very pleased to announce a new partnership with Fanatics Betting and Gaming, a major brand here in the U.S.

Paysafe is providing Fanatics with an all-inclusive payment solution implemented through a single streamlined integration offering sports bettors an unprecedented range of options for making deposits and receiving payouts.

Moving to Slide 6, we’ve talked about our unique advantage in North American iGaming, which is a small but high growth market for Paysafe.

We are very strong in card acquiring and gateway, currently live in 30 states with over 50 operators in addition to our strong position in Canada, so again through one integration, an online gambler at a gaming merchant can access to any form of payment for money-in and money-out.

In addition to that, we also have very deep industry relationships and expertise, including high conversion rates and faster state entries, which is also how we attract and retain customers. Now with our new sales organization, we’re even in better position to replicate this success across other key verticals.

Moving to Slide 7 for an update on our classic digital wallets, which is again consistent with the update we provided in our most recent earnings calls, in the third quarter we saw a constant currency revenue growth of 17% from classic wallets, resulting in five quarters of consecutive growth for digital wallets.

Much of this revenue growth comes from Paysafe’s continued work to improve the customer and checkout experience by reducing friction, while we also focus on expanding the use cases of our unique wallet platform. This stronger engagement has resulted in double-digit growth in both transactions per active user and average revenue per user.

Digital wallets has seen ongoing stabilization in our active user base with approximately 900,000 three-month actives, and in this quarter we can report growth of around 3% from the prior year.

Moving to Slide 8, as you’ve seen in our results, we have improved to 7% revenue growth year-to-date compared to flat performance for the same period last year, as well as an 120 basis point improvement in adjusted EBITDA margin. Here, we’ve broken out the puts and takes across our year-to-date results.

We have seen double-digit revenue growth across the classic digital wallet business as well as our ecommerce business, our high priority and high value focus areas as part of the transformation. Additionally, our SMB/ISO channel continues to perform well, supported by strong demand for our differentiated offering for partners.

While we’ve made progress in the areas we set out to turn around and continue to execute that playbook, we still have the opportunity to pursue focused growth in other areas. We’ve seen softer performance this year from the direct channels in U.S. acquiring, as well as our eCash solutions, which I’ll discuss next on Slide 9.

As we focus on 2024, we are addressing the softness on the direct side by, one, enhancing our product offering; two, expanding our acquisition strategy; and three, adding additional sales headcount, including a focus on moving up market in the direct business, which is more consistent with our customer profile of our ISO channel.

In eCash, in addition to enhancements to marketing and customer acquisition, we will focus on unifying our eCash technologies and distribution network while continuing to upgrade our customer experience by integration our wallet features into the platform for a more engaging relationship to support user engagement and the graduation to our branded wallets.

We believe both of these businesses should be roughly mid single digit growers over the midterm while we expect our digital wallet and ecomm solutions to continue to see relatively stronger growth. With that, I’ll ask Alex to review the financial results..

Alex Gersh

Thank you Bruce. Let’s move to Slide 11 for a summary of our financial results. Volume was $35.1 billion in the third quarter, an increase of 8% year-over-year, and total revenue of $396.4 million also increased 8%, or 5% on a constant currency basis.

Growth was led by double-digit volume in revenue growth in ecommerce within the merchant solutions segment as well as classic digital wallets, including the benefit of interest revenue on consumer deposits.

This was largely in line with our expectations for the quarter, with the exception of FX, mainly the weakening of the euro as the rate trended lower during the quarter. This lowered our revenue growth by roughly $1.7 million, or roughly half of a percent.

Adjusted EBITDA for the third quarter was $116.1 million, an increase of 22% year-over-year or 18% constant currency. Adjusted EBITDA margin was 29.3%, an increase of 320 basis points primarily driven by lower credit losses and continued operating leverage.

Our total SG&A was 30.6% of revenue in the third quarter, down from 36.1% of revenue in the prior year quarter. We generated $105 million in free cash flow for the third quarter, reflecting 91% conversion of adjusted EBITDA.

On the LTM basis, free cash flow was $362 million, reflecting conversion of 81%, and for the full year, we would expect to be in the range of 65% to 70%.

Adjusted net income for the third quarter increased 21% year-over-year to $35.3 million, and adjusted EPS increased 19% to $0.57 per share as our growth and margin improvements more than offset an increase in depreciation and amortization, interest expense and taxes.

Let’s move to Slide 12 to discuss the segment results, starting with merchant solutions. Third quarter volume in merchant solutions was $29.6 billion, an increase of 7% year-over-year, and revenue for the third quarter was $216.8 million, an increase of 6%.

Performance was led by ecommerce, which continued to see strong momentum in North American iGaming while also seeing growth from other verticals, including travel and fintech services. In the SMB market, we saw continued growth in verticals such as eating and drinking places, grocery and petrol, and personal services.

Adjusted EBITDA in merchant solutions increased 26% to $57.5 million, an increase of 410 basis points reflecting operational improvements, including lower credit losses which more than offset a margin headwind from the channel mix, as growth in the SMB segment was again particularly strong in our third party partner channel.

Turning to the digital wallet segment on Slide 13, third quarter volume in digital wallets was $5.6 billion, an 18% increase year-over-year.

Digital wallets revenue for the third quarter was $182.9 million, an increase of 12% year-over-year and a 5% increase on a constant currency basis as a modest decline from eCash solutions was more than offset by double-digit growth from our classic digital wallet.

Growth from the digital wallet segment was also supported by the new product features launched in Q2, contributing 1.8% to growth, as well as interest revenue on consumer deposits.

Adjusted EBITDA in the digital wallet segment was $79.9 million, an increase of 17% year-over-year or 7% constant currency, and reflecting a 43.7% margin, up 190 basis points.

Turning to Slide 14 for the summary of debt and leverage, at the end of the third quarter, total debt was $2.5 billion, reflecting debt repayments and repurchases totaling $22 million during the quarter.

Year to date through September, we have repaid approximately $112 million of our debt as we continue to take advantage of the market opportunity to buy back debt at discount to par. At quarter end, net debt was $2.3 billion and our leverage ratio was further reduced to 5.1 times, compared to 5.8 times at the end of last year.

I’ll reiterate that we remain highly focused on reducing leverage and we now believe that our net leverage will be approximately five times by the year end, well ahead of our target for this year. As you saw in our earnings release, Paysafe announced today that our board has authorized a $50 million share repurchase program.

With our healthy cash flow generation and consistent progress towards reducing our net leverage ratio over the last several quarters, we believe now is the appropriate time to include share repurchases as part of our capital allocation strategy.

We continue to expect the majority of our excess cash flow to be committed to deleveraging while we also continue to invest in innovation to drive long term growth. Moving to the full year outlook on Slide 15, based on our strategic progress and results to date, we are maintaining our revenue and adjusted EBITDA guidance for 2023.

Just to reiterate, our guidance reflects full year reported revenue to be in a range of $1.595 billion to $1.608 billion, and adjusted EBITDA coming in between $454 million to $462 million, reflecting adjusted EBITDA margin between 28.5% to 29%.

Please note that the euro-to-USD exchange rate was around 1.1 at the beginning of August and has averaged approximately 1.06 quarter-to-date in Q4. As a reminder, given our geographical mix, every one percent weakening of the euro versus U.S.

dollar has an unfavorable impact of approximately $7 million on revenue annualized, so while the business is performing in line with our expectations, if the euro remains at the current level or trends lower through the end of the year, this could put us towards the low end of the range.

Now I’ll turn the call back to Bruce for closing remarks before we take questions. .

Bruce Lowthers

Thank you Alex. In closing, we’re on track to achieve stronger growth and meaningful margin improvement in ’23 while reducing leverage, delivering on our strategic initiatives, and preparing for the next phase of our turnaround.

Over the last four consecutive quarters, we’ve created momentum improving in year-over-year EBITDA growth, starting in Q4 ’22 at 2%, Q1 ’23 4%, Q2 10%, and now Q3 22% growth.

This strong progress has us excited about the opportunities ahead, and we are driving towards our midterm outlook of high single digit to low double digit revenue growth with further margin expansion. Now let’s begin the Q&A session..

A - Kirsten Nielsen

Thank you Bruce. We’ll take a couple of questions from the Say Technologies platform, which allows shareholders to submit and upvote questions. After that, we’ll turn to questions from our research analyst community. As a reminder, we may pass over any questions that we’ve already addressed on this call or in prior recent quarters.

We may also group together questions that share a common theme. Okay, our first question is from Mike, who asks, does Paysafe have good board representation for retail shareholders? The company seems to be doing better, although stock is trading at near lows.

Bruce, why don’t you take this one?.

Bruce Lowthers

Thanks Kirsten. Sure Mike, great question, and thank you for the question. First, I’ll emphasize I believe that Paysafe has a very strong board of directors with diverse perspectives and many decades of experience across finance, capital markets, ecomm, iGaming, legal and compliance, and overall corporate governance.

They’re highly engaged and focused on doing the right thing for our shareholders. They do not believe that our current share price reflects the quality of our business or the opportunities ahead, which is why they have authorized the buyback program which we announced today.

This gives us an opportunity to repurchase up to $50 million worth of our stock while we continue to generate healthy cash flow and prioritize reducing debt and investing in organic growth..

Kirsten Nielsen Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

All right, thanks Bruce. We also received a couple of questions regarding the profitability or financial viability of the company, as well as the competitive dynamics.

Philip asks, how do you set yourself apart from the increasingly competitive field and reverse losses? Bruce, would you like to take this one as well?.

Bruce Lowthers

customer service, deep expertise across both regulatory and compliance landscapes, and breadth of payment solutions which enables the merchants to reach new customers and markets through a single integration.

We’re also very excited about our product innovation initiatives, such as our Paysafe business wallet which is launching in Q4, and we believe that will bring additional value to our customers and to Paysafe while expanding the scale and use cases of our wallet platform. .

Kirsten Nielsen Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Okay, thanks Bruce.

Operator, can you please open the line for the analyst Q&A?.

Operator

Certainly. [Operator instructions] Our first question is coming from David Togut from Evercore ISI. Your line is now live..

David Togut

Thank you, good morning.

Looking at Slide 9 on actions taken and 2024 plans, which of these actions do you expect to have the biggest impact on 2024 revenue growth, and just to clarify, the midterm growth target you called out for both businesses in the mid single digit, does that apply to 2024 specifically?.

Bruce Lowthers

Hey David, good morning. Let me start with Slide 9. What we tried to highlight here is we’ve really focused here in ’23 on the digital wallet and ecomm side, two of our businesses that, as they came in, were really identified as our high value businesses really that drove the valuation of the company.

When I came in, both of these were struggling, declining businesses. We’ve been able to focus on those as we’ve outlined and drive them into double-digit growth, so we expect that to continue as we move forward.

We also have some other businesses that as we look at those and try to address those in ’24, we’ve done some things here in the back half of ’23 to put us in position to execute on bringing those businesses, the SMB direct and eCash businesses, back in line with what we think they should be performing, and so those businesses, as we’ve said in the prepared remarks, are not performing to what we expected and have similar trend lines, where as we came in, they were kind of underperforming, and now we’re focusing on getting those back together, so we have done a number of things to start moving the ball on those and we remain optimistic that those will become mid single digit growth profiles for those two businesses.

I think as we talk about midterm, when we did the investor day, we were talking more not so much about ’24 but further out, and we were looking at ’25 being a low double digit growth profile..

David Togut

Got it, and just as a follow-up, could you talk about expense management initiatives and operating leverage targeted for 2024?.

Bruce Lowthers

Yes, I’ll let Alex jump in on that..

Alex Gersh

I think if you saw what we talked about when we talked about the G&A as a percentage of revenue from 36% to 30%, you see that we continue very much to focus on the expense management.

I think one of the things that Bruce has highlighted many times before is that as we bring the disparate businesses, the businesses that operated separately together, that drives a lot of that efficiency, right, so as we create a sales organization, a product organization, a marketing organization that serves the entire business, so those trends continue and we would expect to continue to see those operating efficiencies.

In terms of the target, when we--at the end of the year when we give you the guidance for 2024, we will talk about the targets at that point..

David Togut

Understood, thank you..

Bruce Lowthers

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. The next question today is coming from Scott Wurtzel from Wolfe Research. Your line is now live..

Scott Wurtzel

Great, good morning guys. Thanks for taking my questions.

First one to start off on the wallet user base - you know, it was great to see the transactions per active and the ARPU increasing both sequentially and on a year-over-year basis, but just wanted to talk a little bit more about the user base and expectations there, and maybe if you can give some color on how churn versus adds trended in the quarter and how we should be thinking about balancing engagement growth versus active user growth going forward.

Thank you..

Bruce Lowthers

Yes Scott, good morning and thank you for the questions.

Look, I think as I said in the earnings call last quarter, we were hoping to see some growth start to emerge in our three month actives as we moved into the back half of the year, so as we reported in the prepared remarks, we saw a little bit of that growth start to emerge in Q3 with a 3% growth rate. We expect that to continue.

I can tell you that about halfway through Q4, we see continued acceleration with the three month actives, so what we’ve done is, as Alex just mentioned, we’ve kind of re-grouped with our marketing initiatives under Nicole Carroll, our Chief Growth Officer, so we’ve really kind of focused on consumer acquisition.

We’re excited about going forward into ’24 because not only did we consolidate our marketing efforts, we do have new wallets coming to market, both with our business wallet and we have some deals in our pipeline that we’ll be rolling out in ’24 that are around--are non-branded, so white label wallets that will be coming, so we can see a clear path to three month actives continuing to expand as we move into ’24.

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Scott Wurtzel

Got it, that’s helpful.

Just as a follow-up on the eCash side of things and your plans there for 2024, as I think about eCash and going back to sort of the last couple of years, even as maybe the wallet side was declining if we go back 18, 24 months, eCash was still more of a steady grower, so just wondering if we do a look back-look forward, what kind of caused the eCash business to decelerate to this 1% growth rate, and maybe just expand a little bit more on your initiatives there to re-accelerate the growth in that business..

Bruce Lowthers

Yes, so just to kind of level-set, when you had eCash as a business last year in ’22, it had declined 3% from ’21. ’21, if you look back, eCash was in essence a prepaid business which usually does very well in recessionary time frames, or time frames such as COVID as you were hitting ’20 and ’21, so we had a significant amount of growth in 2012.

We knew that that was--back then, we knew that that kind of growth profile was not a sustainable growth profile, so you saw it pull back in ’22 and you’re seeing it improve from a minus-3% to a 1% year-to-date in ’23, so while we’re moving it back in the right direction, those businesses typically, in my experience at least, have really kind of always gravitated around mid single digit growth profiles..

Scott Wurtzel

Got it. Appreciate it, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is coming from Friedman from Susquehanna. Your line is now live..

Bruce Lowthers

Good morning Jamie..

Jamie Friedman

Good morning. Nice improvement here. I wanted to ask first about your call-out, Bruce, about the acceleration in boarding new merchants. Bear with me - I’m just trying to find the page..

Bruce Lowthers

Yes, I think it was Page 9--.

Jamie Friedman

Oh, I’ve got it - sorry, no, it was Page 4. When you’re saying that the merchant, you expedited it 10 days and that’s versus May ’23, and that’s 14%, I’m embarrassed to say I’ve never heard that metric before. It sounds important.

I’m just wondering operationally, how it is that you’ve been able to deliver that and what it may mean in terms of your financial results..

Bruce Lowthers

Yes Jamie, great question. One of the things that we’ve talked a lot about this year is around operational excellence, and as Alex mentioned a little bit earlier, when you looked at our company going back a year, what we had was a series of organizations kind of operating independently.

Those things created some inefficiencies within our organization, and what we’ve really tried to do here is get after the business processes and the technology stacks that allow us to accelerate our revenue streams.

When we look at this 10-day example, it’s just another example of how we’re focusing on improving the business processes that we have to accelerate our time to revenue.

I think we talked about in the earnings--sorry, in the analyst day that we did, we talked about time to market for our enterprise deals being close to nine months, and trying to drive that down from 270 days down to 58 days, just in a couple months, so a lot of positive movement on process review and what we’re doing..

Jamie Friedman

Okay, great. Then Bruce, if I could follow-up with just a higher level question which we get--.

Bruce Lowthers

Sure..

Jamie Friedman

How would you compare the competitive position of merchant solutions versus digital wallets? I know it’s a very hard thing to answer because the denominator, the market environment for both is different, but it looks like merchant is doing about, if not better than the market.

Wallet, I know is a very competitive world, but just at a high level, how would you compare the positioning of both those big products for you?.

Bruce Lowthers

Yes, look - I see on the merchant side, we’ve got a very competitive product. We see strong growth in our SMB space. Certainly we resell some other products, like Clover, we’ve had strong 20% growth in sales of Clover.

Our ecomm component of the merchant is also very competitive in the verticals that we’re in, so what we’re really trying to do is own the spaces that we play in. We’re not trying to go upstream and go after ecomm for Apple or Amazon. We’re trying to stay in the verticals that we play in and that we have a tremendous amount of domain expertise.

That’s really worked for us and it’s allowed us to really re-accelerate the growth engine on merchant acquiring. I think when you look on the wallet side, we feel very good about what we do with the wallet.

Again, I think the platform itself, as we start moving into the non-branded or white label wallet component of the wallet platform, we feel like there’s a tremendous amount of opportunity because of the regulatory compliance things, the fraud management that we’re exceptional at. We really feel like we compete very well.

Again, in our wallet space, we are trying to really focus on owning a couple of verticals that we play exceptionally well in - the gaming space, the gambling space. What we’re not trying to become is just a horizontal wallet that competes necessarily with Apple or some of the other more horizontal brands..

Jamie Friedman

Got it, thanks for that. I’ll drop back in the queue..

Bruce Lowthers

Thank you Jamie..

Operator

As a reminder, that’s star, one to be placed into question queue. Our next question is coming from Tim Chiodo from UBS. Your line is now live..

Tim Chiodo

Great, thanks a lot. I wanted to ask about the competitive environment in the North American iGaming ecommerce or online market.

Braintree, clearly a large competitor in overall ecommerce merchant acquiring, and knew they had made some public comments in the past about seeing them in that space, are you running into them much? How much of a competitor are they to your online processing or merchant acquiring capabilities in that space?.

Bruce Lowthers

Sure, good morning Tim. Look, this is a highly competitive space. We have lots of competitors in North America, Braintree being one of them. We do run into them in probably most deals that we compete in, but we have a very strong value proposition. We continue to win in this space.

Our space for us is led by Zak Cutler and his team, they do an exceptional job highlighting what the value proposition for us is, and they’ve been very successful, as you can see. It’s early days, but we remain very optimistic about our opportunities within iGaming, not just in North America but globally..

Tim Chiodo

Right, thank you. Part of your approach there is you have the wallets and the processing.

Would you say that that is the same for them, in other words, do you see the PayPal wallet or button, if you will, being cross-sold in the same way that you might cross-sell the processing capabilities and your digital wallets? In other words, do you see the button for PayPal as much in the online gambling space?.

Bruce Lowthers

We do, so I would say when you look at the competitors in our stack, they are probably the most similar to us in value proposition. I think what distinguishes us versus them is when you really think about our VIP heritage with the wallet - they just simply don’t do that, and so we really do stand out.

Again, years of experience, years of regulatory experience and fraud experience, so we like our chances competing. .

Tim Chiodo

Perfect. If you don’t mind, if I can just--it’s a very quick numbers one, just on the SMB direct portion of the business that you talked about focusing on more in 2024.

Can you just give us the most recent contribution to that segment’s revenue from SMB direct? In other words, how big is that portion that you’re going to focus on?.

Bruce Lowthers

Kirsten, do you happen to have that?.

Kirsten Nielsen Senior Vice President of Investor Relations

Sure, well for the total company, it’s a little north of 20%, call it 23%, so you can do the math on what that is for merchant solutions. That’s give or take a little bit, depending on the mix each quarter, but I would assume a little north of 20% of the whole company..

Tim Chiodo

North of 20% for the full company - okay, so meaningfully higher for the merchant segment. Okay, thank you..

Bruce Lowthers

Thank you Tim..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is from Aditya Buddhavarapu from Bank of America. Your line is now live..

Aditya Buddhavarapu

Hey Bruce, Alex. Thanks for taking my questions. A few from my side.

Can you just maybe give us a quick update on what you’ve seen so far in Q4? I think you touched upon that a bit on the digital wallet user growth, but much more broadly across the business, what are you seeing so far? Any initial thoughts on ’24? I know you’ve said you have a few things to prioritize, but any initial thoughts on that? That’s the first question, then I can go over the rest..

Alex Gersh

I think in terms of what we’ve seen so far, we keep our guidance unchanged for the year and we’ve highlighted the FX issue, right, which could take us to the bottom end of the guidance, so that’s what we see. We see the business continuing to perform to our expectations, but we need to be mindful of FX.

On 2024, at the end of the year when we give you the results for 2023, we will talk about ’24 and give guidance. At this point, we don’t really have anything else to say on ’24..

Aditya Buddhavarapu

Great, understood. That’s clear.

Then just going back to iGaming, your volumes grew 50%, I’m sure some of that is driven by your initiatives, but just trying to understand, is that coming through--you know, how much of that is coming through the market versus maybe you’re gaining share from some of the other players there?.

Bruce Lowthers

Well look, absolutely - you know, we’re live in 30 states, up a fair amount from last year, but I would again say we’re winning in this market where we’re driving great deals. Obviously adding Fanatics to the portfolio this quarter has been a great win for us.

I think the team continues to execute well, but yes, there’s some great tailwinds in this space as well, certainly in North America. I would again just call out it is a small part of our business but it’s growing, and growing rapidly. Ecomm overall is growing rapidly, we feel very good about our ecomm space..

Aditya Buddhavarapu

Great, understood.

Then just going back to the midterm guidance, the bridge to that low double digit growth, is that something you think you can do even if, let’s say, eCash or the direct sales in SME and [indiscernible] SMB doesn’t really pick up, or do you think those need to start accelerating as well for you to get to that ’25, ’26 midterm guidance?.

Alex Gersh

We’re talking about midterm guidance now, correct?.

Bruce Lowthers

Yes..

Alex Gersh

We haven’t at all moved away from the midterm guidance that we talked about - high single digits, low double digits. We still believe that to be the case. There are lots of irons in the fire, some things will work better, some things will not work better, but overall we think that there is--this is still where we are targeting to be..

Bruce Lowthers

Yes, I would just add, I have complete confidence we will be able to get the SMB direct business and eCash business in the right growth profile..

Aditya Buddhavarapu

Okay, that’s clear. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. We’ve reached the end of our question and answer session. I’d like to turn the floor back over to management for any further or closing comments..

Bruce Lowthers

Yes, look, I just want to thank everyone for joining us today. I want to thank Kirsten and the team here for all your help pulling this together yet again, and really appreciate all the efforts that have gone into Q3 and look forward to talking to everybody at the end of the year and the exciting times ahead for ’24. Thank you very much..

Alex Gersh

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today’s teleconference and webcast. You may disconnect your line at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today..

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