Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for standing by. My name is Shreva [ph] and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to NexPoint Real Estate Finance Conference Call. [Operator Instructions] I would now like to turn the call over to Kristian Thomas. Please go ahead..

Thank you. Good day, everyone and welcome to the NexPoint Real Estate Finance conference call to review the company's results for the third quarter ended September 30, 2023.

On the call today are Brian Mitts, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Matt McGraner, Executive Vice President and Chief Investment Officer; and Paul Richards, Vice President Originations and Investments. As a reminder, this call is being webcast through the company's website at nref.nexpoint.com.

Before we begin, I would like to remind everyone that this conference call contains forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995 that are based on management's current expectations, assumptions and beliefs.

Listeners should not place undue reliance on any forward-looking statements and are encouraged to review the company's annual report on Form 10-K and the company's other filings with the SEC for a more complete discussion of risks and other factors that could affect the forward-looking statements.

The statements made during this conference call speak only as of today’s date and except as required by law, NREF does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. This conference call also includes analysis of non-GAAP financial measures.

For a more complete discussion of these non-GAAP financial measures, see the company's presentation filed earlier today. I would now like to turn the call over to Brian Mitts. Please go ahead, Brian..

earnings available for distribution of $0.45 per diluted share at the midpoint with a range of $0.40 in the low end and $0.50 on the high end. Cash available for distribution of 47% diluted share at the midpoint with a range of $0.42 on the low end and $0.52 on the high end.

So now, I'll turn it over to Dean to discuss our portfolio and our lending environment..

Thanks, Brian. The third quarter results continue to show strong performance throughout each of our investment in asset classes, most notably our B-Pieces portfolio.

We continue to focus on investment verticals where we believe we have an advantage due to our experience in owning and operating commercial real estate, our ability to leverage information from being both an owner operator and lender to commercial real estate investments allows us to find relative value throughout the capital stack with the goal of delivering higher-than-average risk-adjusted returns.

We continue to believe our investment strategy in focusing on credit investments and stabilized assets, conservative underwriting at low leverage with healthy sponsors will provide consistent and stable value to our shareholders.

During the third quarter, the loan portfolio continued to perform strongly amidst a tough backdrop and is currently comprised of 89 individual assets with approximately $1.6 billion of total outstanding principal. The portfolio is geographically diverse with the bias towards the Southeast and Southwest markets.

Texas, Georgia and Florida continue to be the largest portion of our portfolio at approximately 52%. From the beginning of the third quarter through today, we were able to make follow-on investments of $16.3 million to existing preferred equity investments with an all-in yield of 11.3%.

We also received approximately $48 million gross of repo after disposing of the B-Piece which delivered a levered return of approximately 14%. We saw an opportunity to post a solid return on this B-piece that was short dated in a value-add wrapper and avoided the possibility of any refinance risks.

In order to assess the impact of potential interest rate changes on our CMBS portfolio, we conducted a stress test. We aimed to identify the extent to which implied yields would need to rise and portfolio marks would have to decrease to account for a $61 million decline in market value.

The $61 million difference reflects the variance between our book value and the market value at the close of the previous night. Upon conducting the stress test, we observed that implied yields would need to increase by around 40% to result in an 11% decrease in the CMBS portfolio's overall value.

More importantly, to recognize any real impairment, there will need to be a substantial decline of over 30% in the underlying multifamily and single-family property values. Despite these stress test results, we maintain a strong belief in the resilience of the residential sector, especially in our current interest rate environment.

We consider these investments in the verticals in multifamily and single-family properties to be safe as demonstrated by the historical performance. At the end of the quarter, we maintained a cautious approach to our repo financing with leverage standing at approximately 66% LTV.

We consistently engage in communication with our repo lending partners, discussing market conditions and status of our finance CMBS portfolio. Regarding the ongoing performance of the SFR loan pool, I'm pleased to report that all SFR loans within the portfolio are currently performing very well.

They exhibit robust DSCRs and have experienced notable NOI growth. The demand for SFR continues to remain strong, contributing to this positive trend. In summary, we continue to find attractive investment opportunities throughout our target markets and asset classes.

We will continue to evaluate these opportunities with the goal of delivering value to our shareholders. To finalize our prepared remarks before we turn it over for questions, I'd like to turn it over to Matt McGraner..

Thank you, Paul. As he just mentioned, our credit portfolio continues to hold up and performed very well despite a record rise in longer-term reference rates during the quarter. Our SFR loan and multifamily CMBS portfolios remain healthy as well as our life sciences and cGMP investments.

While modestly mark-to-market in this environment, our common stock and special situation investments remain a source of opportunistic liquidity, potentially delivering a $0.60 to $0.90 of additional annual CAD once fully monetized.

This past week, CBRE published a report confirming the opportunity we outlined last quarter, namely the ability to provide GAAP funding for existing multifamily assets, facing maturities and/or in need of refinancing. In that report, CB outlined a sample set of over $20 billion in near-term maturities meeting this criteria.

And given our cadence with -- and relationship with Fannie and Freddie, we are positioned to immediately take advantage of these opportunities in our 13% to 15% all-in yields. To that end, we announced some exciting news this morning that we've been working on as a firm and demonstrates the resources of the NexPoint umbrella.

As Brian mentioned, we plan to utilize our talented internal NexPoint sales and distribution team to issue NREF Series B preferred to various retail RIA and institutional advisers. We believe this security provides attractive yields to investors while providing us with accretive capital to deploy into this dislocated market.

The near-term opportunities are seemingly endless. Liquidity is scarce as the banking sector is all but shut down. And if there is liquidity, most of it still requires cash in refinancings or assets that have negative leverage profiles.

Again, as CBRE indicated in its recent analysis, loans originated from 2018 to 2020 will face refi test funding gap totaling upwards of $20 billion in the multifamily sector.

In this environment, we believe we can originate GAAP funding with all in yields in the mid-teens, couple that with structure, guarantees and interest reserves to mitigate our downside risk. Other near-term opportunities include dislocated CMBS, cGMP, life science, first mortgages and B-note purchases was, again, 13% to 15% all-in yields.

Collectively, our current pipeline of multifamily and life science investments is north of $300 million. If we're successful in raising and deploying this capital, we do believe we will be the accretion to Invest common stock and earnings is powerful.

All told and without any additional leverage, assuming we raise and deploy $300 million, we believe CAD can increase by 20% per year over the next 3 years. To close, we're excited about these opportunities in the coming quarters and pleased with the company's continued stability and the opportunity to go on offense in this environment.

As always, I want to thank the team for their hard work. And now, I'd like to turn the call over to the operator for questions..

[Operator Instructions] The first question comes from the line of Crispin Love with Piper Sandler..

Just first off, on the continuous preferred that you announced this morning and were just talking about. So definitely a high potential dollar amount thereof additional preferreds.

But can you talk a little bit more about your thinking there? And just on a capital basis, do you have any targets of how much you would want preferreds to be as a percent of your total capital base over time and kind of the timing on when you'd like to get that done..

Yes. Chris, it's Matt. Thanks for the question. I think we set the number at $400 million because that's what we had left on the shelf. That's coincidence but the intentional aspect of it is we think our fully diluted market cap is around $400 million or so on a mark-to-market basis.

And so we think pairing additional $400 million of this preferred makes sense. As it relates to the timing of the raise, it's going to trickle in, we think, in November, December and then really ramp at the first of the year.

Our sales team has moved product -- a similar product, $10 million to $15 million, $20 million a month and that's the cadence that we expect throughout 2024. And then we'll have a pipeline that kind of match fund investments with those dollars as they trickle in..

Okay.

So maybe $10 million, $15 million a month in dollar amount is what you're thinking?.

Yes, it's a good monthly run rate. I think that that's conservative for next year..

Okay, sounds good. That's helpful. And then just on credit quality, I heard your comments in the prepared remarks, no loans and forbearance.

Just on the provision of $4.6 million in the quarter, can you just talk to some of the drivers there? Is that all CECL? Or is there anything else there?.

Yes, it's Brian. So this quarter, we've lowered the rating -- the risk rating on 4 of our loans. The way we do from 3 loans -- we've moved from a risk rating of 3 to 4, representing $25 million of principal. And then one, we've moved to a 5 rating which is about $5.5 million of principal. So less than 3% of our total outstanding. That drove a lot of it.

And obviously, the conversion to CECL is part of it as well. But those ones in particular..

And I'll put a qualitative wrapper on the $4.6 million in particular. So this was a preferred multifamily deal we did in the last couple of years with a good sponsor in Atlanta in an A- asset in Atlanta multifamily deal.

The sponsor in the deal, in particular, is in air pocket, Atlanta recently in the multifamily sector as we reported in our -- on the [indiscernible] call, it's had a really big backlog of skips and addictions. Thankfully, Fulton County has worked through those issues pretty well over the last few months of getting better.

But again, this deal hit an air pocket. And like we do when any of these issues arise, we jump to it and we installed our property manager, BH and think we can kind of jump in and stabilize the asset. My belief is that the sponsor will defend the asset. But if they don't, we'll take it and operate it.

So it's a good asset in Atlanta and one we can jump on and work through any issues. But again, we fully expect the sponsor to defend it..

The next question comes from the line of Stephen Laws from Raymond James..

Matt, can you talk bigger picture on multifamily, a lot of different factors moving things from property level expenses or new supply that goes away and not too long.

Obviously, a tailwind of where mortgage rates are but just generally around multifamily, can you talk about the company view and your thoughts there? And then how you're taking that view as you deploy capital and where you're seeing opportunities at different points of -- the different attachment points?.

Yes. That's a great question. So multifamily in general, I'd say, at this period is probably as tough as we've seen in the last few years and think that the next, I'd say, 2 to 3 quarters in our sandbox and the Sun Belt Smile will probably be the toughest.

That being said, absorption rates and net migration are keeping supply absorbed on a pretty good run rate. Kind of near term, the whole market is under concessions, whether it's A or B.

The A operators or merchant builders saw the spike in interest rates in the last 2, 3 months and have gotten really, really aggressive on getting their deals leased up. So A, they can hopefully generate enough occupancy to refi it or if not, to sell it because they're IRR driven. But the spike in the 10-year has really driven some concession activity.

And so now the balance of power, if you will, has kind of shifted to renters and they're demanding concessions. And that's regardless of whether it's an A deal or a B deal. The good news is that you are seeing some C renters move up to B.

And so we think Bs will continue to stabilize and that's primarily where we focus our equity and credit investments.

But the near term is going to be challenging again, 2, 3 quarters and then starts really, really dramatically fall off a cliff in the -- well, starts have already fallen off but the deliveries fall off a cliff in the latter half of '24 and early '25.

And so what the opportunity for us is the next kind of 3 or 4 quarters, there's going to be tough sledding if you have maturities. There's not a lot of liquidity in the commercial -- excuse me, in the regional banking space. And then there still is negative leverage because cap rates are sub -- still sub-6% and then agency financing is north of 6%.

So you kind of take those 2 dynamics and there's going to be a gap in preferred and mezzanine need, both in agency refinancing properties and then certainly on the CRE, CLO front. And that's why we're excited about this opportunity because we can come in, step in, underwrite the asset as if we're going to own it and take it.

But a lot of the work and the dislocation has already been done. So we think we can get some really good terms and good structure and some outsized returns over the next year. Sorry, it's a little long-winded but it's kind of my view..

Great. That's -- hear your thoughts about. So I appreciate the comments. And Brian, I wanted to touch base operating expenses, any one-time or elevated items in there for the quarter? Or how do we think of that moving -- that line item moving forward..

Yes. So legal figures were a little elevated in the third quarter. Just some of these various issues that we're dealing with around the Hughes deconsolidation, converting to CECL and just the risk ratings that we're dealing with. So -- as well as some of the outside accounting firm fees that we've got.

We expect that to go back to normal in the fourth quarter and not really be a long-term impact..

Your next question comes from the line of Jade Rahmani with KBW. You may now go ahead..

What do you think the most interesting opportunities are today to deploy capital? Is it within multifamily in those preferred equity and mezz pieces? And what would be your target levered returns?.

Yes. Thanks, Jade. I think it's multifamily. I mean, ultimately, that's where we're an owner of 30,000 units and already have the infrastructure and then see that this kind of a refi and GAAP funding wave is coming down the line. And it's a near-term opportunity. And so we think that we'll be able to jump on that. That's probably my favorite.

The all-in yields are, I'd say, double the unlevered asset yield. So we'll be targeting 12%, 14%, maybe some points in and points out and then again structure in the legal documents to allow us to take the asset, if anything does go bad. But in the stack, we'll probably be searching for 55% to 75% of what we believe value is today..

In the Freddie Mac BP pools you own, are there any indications of deterioration? It's been spotty and it varies a lot by average loan size but what are you seeing there on credit?.

I think I'll kick it to Paul for specifics because I think it's germane to what we sold during the quarter. But I think a lot of -- most of our KELs [ph] that we do own are kind of pre this run-up in cap rates over '21 '22, where you had deals going off at 3.5%, 4% cap rates.

So a lot of what we -- a lot of the bonds that we do own, they don't have any of those issues. They're underwritten at a different time but there are some of the KELs [ph] that potentially have a little bit more trouble.

But Paul, do you want to expand on that?.

Yes. The one deal that we sold this past quarter was a value-add wrapper and it was like a 3 plus 1 plus 1 type -- or 2 plus 1 plus 1 type duration or underlying loan terms. So we saw that there could be some issues in the incoming or near-term future, call one year or so where there could be refinanced risks.

And we had -- we got a really good bid near par on it and we've delivered a 14% levered IRR on that bond. So we thought it was an appropriate time to get out of that specific bond since it did mimic a CRE CLO in a way and redeploy that capital into our other types of high-yielding investments..

So if you had to venture a guess, what do you think, say, 6 months from now, delinquency or default rates in your Freddie Mac BPs portfolio will be?.

In our portfolio, I don't think it will be meaningful at all. I mean I think probably near -- whatever the long-term average is, I think, 30 basis points or so of defaults and that's not losses. Multifamily is the first to snap back.

So you tell me if in 6 months, if we do get some relief on the short end of the curve, I expect the liquidity in the multifamily market to snap back pretty violently and pretty quickly. That's what we saw during COVID as an example. And it's always the first to return. And if rates are higher for longer, I think my answer might change.

But if you do get some relief in the short end, I think that will be welcome liquidity back to the market and potentially you'll see a lot of refinance activity..

There are no further questions at this time. I will now turn the call back over to the management team..

Appreciate it. I think that wraps us up for today. I appreciate everyone's time and participation, questions and we'll be in touch. Thank you..

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference call. You may now disconnect..