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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2021 - Q1
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Operator

Greetings and welcome to the National Health Investors First Quarter 2021 Conference Call. During the presentation, all participants will be in a listen-only mode. Afterwards, we’ll conduct a question-and-answer session. This conference is being recorded Tuesday, May 11, 2021. And now I'd like to turn the conference over to Dana Hambly. Please, go ahead.

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Dana Hambly Director of Investor Relations

Thank you and welcome everyone to the National Health Investors conference call to review the company's results for the first quarter of 2021..

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hello, and thanks for joining us today. We hope that everyone is staying healthy. We are grateful for all the efforts of our operating partners and their teams as they have been battling on the front lines of this pandemic for well over a year, with multiples ups and downs along the way.

With the successful rollout of the vaccine clinics across our communities, we are now starting to see some light at the end of the tunnel, with lead sales and move-ins picking up.

That said, we expect that the path to a more normal operating environment will be uneven and is likely to be a multi-year process, which will make 2021 a difficult year for NHI, as we help our tenants bridge the gap to full occupancy and margin recovery.

Fortunately, our prudent balance sheet situation puts us in a position to address and resolve many of our most pressing issues this year and to emerge as a stronger company with a long runway for growth..

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Thank you, Eric and hello everyone. Let me first turn to our results. And then, I'll talk more about our dividend and balance sheet. Beginning with our net income per diluted common share for the first quarter ended March 31st 2021, we achieved, $0.78 compared to $1.37 for the same period in 2020.

The decline in net income between Q1 2021 and Q1 2020 is largely due to three factors. First, in the first quarter last year we had a $21 million gain on the sale of real estate assets.

Second, this year's first quarter includes $4.2 million in rent deferrals and third, this year we experienced a $3.6 million increase in our non-cash stock-based compensation expense. The increase was primarily a result of a significant increase in NHI's stock volatility measurement, used in the calculation of this expense, caused by the pandemic.

For our FFO metrics per diluted common share for the quarter ended March 31st 2021, compared to the prior year, NAREIT FFO decreased $0.12 to $1.23 from $1.35 and normalized FFO decreased $0.12 or 9% to $1.24. As you'll notice in our first quarter's earnings release, we are no longer reporting AFFO per share.

AFFO per share had included the impact of non-cash stock compensation represents the majority of the adjustment between AFFO and FAD. Our methodology for computing FAD is unchanged from prior periods.

As described in our recent proxy, our Board's compensation committee has moved from AFFO to FAD as a metric used to determine executive compensation under the cash performance incentive plan. We consider FAD to be both a measure of operational performance and liquidity.

But because it is more closely aligned with liquidity, we are not providing you with per share FAD information in keeping with SEC requirements. For the quarter ended March 31st, 2021, our normalized FAD was essentially flat year-over-year at $59.6 million and up $550,000 sequentially from the fourth quarter.

Given the significant impacts many of our operators have experienced over the prior four quarters, we're very pleased with our FAD results, which is a testament to the strength of our triple-net strategy. Reconciliations for our pro forma performance metrics can be found in our earnings release and 10-Q filed yesterday afternoon at sec.gov..

Kevin Pascoe Executive Vice President & Chief Investment Officer

Thank you, John. Starting with an update on COVID, which is based on results for our May 4 monthly survey. Active resident cases have declined by 93% in our senior housing portfolio and by 97% in our SNF portfolio, since peaking in mid to late December.

Active cases increased to 33 in our latest survey from 16 last month, but still represent only 0.1% of total capacity. Anecdotally, majority of residents testing positive, who have been fully vaccinated are asymptomatic or have experienced only mild symptoms.

Turning to the performance of our different asset classes and larger operators, our needs driven senior housing operators, which account for 32% of our annualized cash revenue, generally experienced the extension of declining occupancy trends that started in the fourth quarter and continued through February before leveling off in March.

Bickford, our largest assisted living operator, representing 15% of the annualized cash revenue, experienced a 410 basis point sequential decline in first quarter average occupancy, which followed a 280 basis point decline in the fourth quarter comparison.

We're happy to report that average April occupancy increased 180 basis points from March to 76.3%. As Eric mentioned, we're also happy to report that we completed a sale of six Properties, two Bickford for $52.9 million, which includes a $13 million second mortgage provided by NHI.

This will save Bickford approximately $1.8 million in annual cash flow and improves our pro forma EBITDARM coverage with Bickford from 0.97 times to 1.02 times as of the fourth quarter.

We are continuing to work proactively with Bickford with all options on the table including further dispositions of underperforming assets and we'll update you as those decisions are finalized.

Our entrance fee communities which account for nearly 1/4 of our annualized cash revenue have been more resilient driven by factors that we have discussed in the past, including a longer average length of stay and a generally younger healthier resident population..

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Kevin. The industry is starting to show green shoots and we expect some recovery in 2021, but the next several months will be difficult. NHI is well positioned to weather the storm with multiple levers at our disposal to preserve our conservative capital structure and set the company up for longer-term growth.

While this pandemic has had a disproportionately negative impact on operators caring for the senior population, we do not believe the damage is permanent and we look forward to updating everybody on the progress. With that operator, we'll now open the line for questions..

Operator

Thank you. Our first question is from Jordan Sadler with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open..

Jordan Sadler

Thanks, guys. First question, I wanted to touch base on the comments on the call, the comments in the release regarding the ability to sort of transform the portfolio through lease restructurings and shedding underperforming assets.

Just kind of curious, if you guys could size this need or objective for us somehow? Because I know obviously a lot has gone on and many operators are struggling and you guys have done a good job, so far to collect rents with the exception of maybe a handful of -- small handful of tenants, but it now seems like maybe the need to do something has grown a little bit.

So, I don't know, am I sensing that correctly, number one? And number two, can you maybe scale how big the opportunity might need to be?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Jordan, this is Eric. You're absolutely right. In my opinion, this is the year to get things like that done. I feel like the market is in a forgiving mood for companies that are taking their medicine and rightsizing portfolios to come out the other end with healthier metrics on lease coverage and stable NOI.

In terms of what that looks like, I mean we just sold a $52 million of Bickford product. It could easily be overall portfolio wide another $250 million to $400 million over the next eight months..

Jordan Sadler

Okay. And this would mostly be senior housing..

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, yes and no. Keep in mind we have some purchase options occurring in the normal course. We have a specialty hospital. So, that's in there as well. And that's detailed on our supplemental. So….

Jordan Sadler

Does that include the -- are you including the -- you have the loan repayment potentially coming up from -- on I don't know Sage, what is it maybe, is adding there as well, or is that -- would that be incremental?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

That would be incremental. I was not including that in my figure..

Jordan Sadler

Okay.

But you have the Acadia Hospital in there?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Right..

Jordan Sadler

Okay, got it. And then, maybe one other on Holiday, if my -- they're paying I think, from the Q $10 million plus or minus of rent per quarter. How big would a rent concession need to be -- I don't mean to sort of preempt in negotiations here.

But are you comfortable that the security deposit might cover you here?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

It would cover us for a period of time. We're not excited about the idea of using the security deposit, and these discussions are ongoing. So – so, that's about all I'm going to say on that. .

Jordan Sadler

Okay. I will hop back in the queue. Thank you..

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks Jordan..

Operator

Our next question is from Todd Stender with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead. .

Todd Stender

Hi, thanks. Sticking with the rent concession discussion. Typically, you just hear this across the real estate world. If their rents required to be paid back within 12 months, but we're talking about limited visibility on the trajectory and return of senior housing.

What are some fair terms for you guys to get your rent paid back? Is it a couple of years? Is that a fair ballpark?.

Kevin Pascoe Executive Vice President & Chief Investment Officer

Hey Todd, it's Kevin. Yes, I would tell you that's a fair ballpark. With any of these concessions that we've made it's essentially alone bearing interest to them. So, they're incentivized to pay it back faster as they have cash flow come back.

There are some minimum payment terms that we generally attach to it, where we would expect to start seeing payments made around the end of the year, if not sooner. That said it is going to take some time for them to pay back that amount.

So we generally look at it somewhere between 12 and 24 months, but understanding that it's we don't expect it all to come back most likely in the next 12. .

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Hey Todd, this is John Spaid. The other thing we're thinking about is, as we're sort of moving some of the portfolio around through dispositions is, if we can improve cash flows that our operators are achieving from the remaining portfolio then we can -- we could potentially accelerate the repayment of those deferrals.

So that's another reason why we're kind of looking at sort of the broader equation. .

Todd Stender

That's a good point John. So, this leads me to my next question about the Bickford sale.

Is Bickford going to continue to operate those properties that were just sold?.

Kevin Pascoe Executive Vice President & Chief Investment Officer

It's Kevin again. Yes, they will continue to operate these 6. As we talked about in the prepared remarks, we'll continue to evaluate the portfolio. There are some that we think may be included in more of an outright sale that the discussions and that evaluation is ongoing. But it will be a mixed bag.

And I think we've talked about it on prior calls where it's going to be a bit of a surgical effort where we look at which ones make sense for them to stay in the portfolio which ones makes sense potentially for them to move on from and still foster some of the other pieces of the relationship that have made some sense which is the development aspect which has been very successful for them..

Todd Stender

All right. That's a good point. And then Eric at the tail end of your prepared remarks you touched on the disposition. I think you mentioned the dividend.

What were you referring to in that sense?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Fair question. Obviously, Todd if we're doing dispositions to the point that we're affecting NHI's NOI, we keep a careful eye on our payout ratio. We don't like to go above 85%.

So, in the event that these dispositions change our NOI to the point that we're above 85% or some other metric that the Board decides then, we would have to look at our dividend payout. .

Todd Stender

Understood. Thank you..

Operator

We have a question from John Kim with BMO Capital Markets. Please go ahead. Your line is open..

John Kim

Thank you. Eric, you mentioned it seems like the market would be in a forgiving mood if you took your medicine today.

So does that imply that you're inclined to rip the band it off sooner rather than later as far as not just asset sales and transfers, but also potentially a rent cut for some of your big operators?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I'm not a big fan of rent cuts. Usually, when we're -- there's a rent reduction, there's some sort of value exchange. I would point to our restructure with Holiday.

And it would probably look more like what we're doing with Bickford, where we changed the capital structure of the tenant and the capital costs of the tenant either by dispositions or some sort of joint venture or development. Stay tuned..

John Kim

I'm just wondering if under that plan it could be a multiyear impact to earnings, if you're looking to trade-off one for the other, or potentially get for instance like a rent deferral that may be hard for the tenant to pay back.

I'm just trying to marry that with your comment that this is the time -- this is the year where you can do this and not get punished too much by the market?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. That's fair. We're going to try and do as much this year as possible. I think that as John was saying earlier and Kevin as well the payback of the deferrals will depend on the conditions and the cash flows of our tenants.

And if we can put our tenants into a position to have healthier cash flows well then those deferrals will get paid back faster..

John Kim

Okay. I know this hasn't happened yet.

But if you do take the security deposit from Holiday as a form of rent -- as form of their rent, are you going to include that in rental income, or how you're going to treat that payment?.

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yeah. This is John. John.

How are you this morning?.

John Kim

Great.

How are you?.

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Good. Yeah. So that's how it works, right? So we have this bucket of money. And if we so chose if that's the best decision and we could apply it towards rent. But you got to remember that we have a private equity company on the other side of the equation here. And while we tried to restructure this transaction so that in the long run, it would work.

We have this sort of commercial enterprise that we got to also be thoughtful about as well. And once we use that deposit, it's gone. So if we wanted to transition these properties that's another place where we might rather use the deposit. .

John Kim

Okay. Final question. One of your directors Robert Webb received 39% of the votes against the nomination.

Can you provide any color on the background of this? And maybe discuss how you think the Board is going to change going forward?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

This is Eric. Yes. We received a lot of calls. Mr. Webb is on the Nomination Committee.

And because of his status as a member of the Nomination Committee, he is a target for investors hoping to promote diversity and other ESG issues on the Board and we were told in no uncertain terms that until some of those ESG issues are addressed that these investors would be voting against members of the nominating committee.

So we're in discussions with the Board about that and have nothing to report at this time, but we're very aware and very attuned to our investor base's concerns..

John Kim

Great. Thank you..

Operator

Our next question is from Omotayo Okusanya from Mizuho. Please go ahead. Your line is open..

Omotayo Okusanya

Hi, yes, good morning or good afternoon, everyone. The Montecito transaction, I just wanted to understand the rationale behind it. Again you're lending to them at 9.5%. And they're buying MOB assets at 5.5% cap let in say 6% cap.

So I'm trying to understand their business model? And why you would lend to an entity where it looks like they're acquiring at a negative spread?.

Kevin Carlton Executive Vice President & Chief Investment Officer

Tayo it's Kevin. So in this case we're essentially functioning as a mezzanine lender for them. So we're just part of the capital stack where they would go out and secure a traditional first mortgage financing on the asset. We would come in play a role in the capital and they would bring some equity behind us.

So that blended cost of equity or blended cost of capital I should say there is still a spread investment.

They've been adept at finding and purchasing property and meeting those spread requirements, which is why we made the investment and ultimately turning around and being able to package those up and sell the investment and be able to make some profit for themselves.

So we are a player here where we're an investor in an income stream, which is the 9.5% that you mentioned. And then we have essentially a little bit of upside on the recapitalization or the sale of those assets where we would participate essentially by getting that additional 2.5% at that point in time.

So we think that those spreads from our traditional lending model are adequate for us and an attractive rate where we can get some additional income in -- essentially in a space where we've not been able to participate as you've already mentioned a lot of the MOB assets go it, 5%, sub-6% anyway. So that's a challenge given our cost of capital.

If we can play a role in the capital stack, add an element of diversification and make a nice spread in the interim, we feel like that's a good investment for us..

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Tayo this is John Spaid..

Omotayo Okusanya

Hi, John..

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Hey. How are you? So let me add on to that. So you're comparing the total capital stack return to our mezzanine. So the way we're thinking about it too is there is $20 million of investment, equity investment going into this portfolio.

In addition, there's additional equity potentially coming in this portfolio through co-investors and they might be the physician groups that are in the facilities. So where we sit in the capital stack, you're right, the total capital stack is in that range that you mentioned, which would include the financing underneath.

But we're thinking about where we sit in relation to all the other equity that's being contributed to this fund as well. We sit ahead of it. So keep that in mind. .

Omotayo Okusanya

Got you. Okay. Then my follow-up if you could indulge me.

The $7.3 million of rent concessions you discussed in the Q -- for 2Q, how exactly does that work? I mean is that just an FAD impact, or are these all related to tenants where you've moved to a cash basis and it's more of an FFO impact? I'm just trying to understand which bottom line numbers is going to impact?.

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

So let me take -- based on your question, the opportunity to sort of explain, how we're treating the accounting of the deferrals to begin with. There are two methods that you can choose.

And I think we're choosing the more conservative method, which is the variable interest method, which means that we're not recognizing into our revenues the deferrals. So they're not sitting on our balance sheet as a receivable. So they are adjusting our GAAP revenues.

So as a result of that they flow through FFO and it flows through FAD at the same time. They're not cash basis because we're still recognizing straight-line revenues, which is permissible under GAAP given the pandemic and some of the relief GAAP gave us this last year. So they're still not treated as cash basis.

But the revenues do adjust, they adjust all the way through the income statement through FFO and FAD. .

Omotayo Okusanya

That’s helpful. Thank you..

Operator

Our next question is from Daniel Bernstein with Capital One. Please go ahead. Your lines are open..

Daniel Bernstein

Good morning. Wanted to go back on the comment, the $130 million pipeline.

And just to understand those kind of like -- those letters -- that liver of intent are those actual deals that you expect to close? And maybe a little bit more on the nature of that?.

Kevin Pascoe Executive Vice President & Chief Investment Officer

Sure. Hey, Dan. It's Kevin. What I would tell you is if we -- generally speaking, we've presented to the Board it's because we have a deal under LOI that we feel as a management team confident about that we want to seek approval and we've probably done some level of due diligence, but it is not completed or final.

So these are ones that we feel pretty good about and want to make sure that given our cadence of Board meetings we have approvals to move forward before we're spending a lot of time and money associated with getting the diligence done.

And then from there we're working on final diligence making sure that we are satisfied with all of the findings that we have on each of the deals and then have the final -- as we proceed to kind of that final closing. In terms of makeup, it's something -- I think the underlying makeup still similar to what you've seen from us.

Maybe a little bit weighted away from senior housing right now, but that's more a function of the market than anything else, but it's senior housing, still evaluating some skilled, behavioral health, specialty hospital.

There is an element of some of the senior loan financings that we've done in the past where we can get a purchase option on property. And a lot of times when we're doing a loan that's what we're trying to do to go back to some comments we were just previously making.

Montecito is not one where we're actually likely looking to acquire medical office assets at this time, but you never know. So I think it is good to have our toe in that pool so to speak. So we've got good mix in the portfolio or in the pipeline and still evaluating opportunities and feel like we have a good view of the market.

It's frankly a little bit choppy right now because people are still evaluating what they're going to do as it relates to senior housing. It's a bit of a world of have and have-nots right now. But that's again, how we're looking at the current pipeline and what we have that we're working on diligence items on them..

Daniel Bernstein

Okay. And in terms of restructuring leases and some of the items you discussed earlier in terms of maybe the options strategic options to right-size the portfolio. I know historically you guys have not been in favor of RIDEA structures or operating structures to capture upside in that way.

But given you look at the long-term supply demand dynamics of senior living housing maybe even skilled nursing, does that change your mind in any way in terms of maybe converting some of these triple net structures to an operating structure and capturing some of the upside, or is it just hopefully we'll recapture the deferrals rather than the upside of the operations?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

This is Eric, Dan.

Can't we do both?.

Daniel Bernstein

Both..

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

No, I get your point. Your point is well taken, and fundamentally, we prefer triple-net leases. We have dabbled in RIDEA in the past as you know and we have two small RIDEA science experiments with LCS, Life Care Services and Discovery.

So we're not opposed to some sort of RIDEA hybrid and we would certainly think about that as part of our restructuring discussions. .

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yes. I was….

Daniel Bernstein

Okay. And then one last one question – okay, go ahead. Sorry..

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

I would just add what I need to see is, I need to be convinced that RIDEA motivates the operator properly. I'm not sure that's what's happening in the RIDEA world right now. Now the upside is there. But how are you going to get from point A to point B? And how is the RIDEA structure motivating the operator to get there.

I'm not sure, it's the right alignment..

Daniel Bernstein

Okay. And then one last quick question.

I just wanted to make sure Holiday is current on its rent at this point?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

As of today, yes. Again, we're still working on active discussions with them. So stay tuned there, Dan..

Daniel Bernstein

Okay. That's all I had. Thanks..

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Dan..

Operator

And we have a question from the line of Rich Anderson with SMBC. Please go ahead. Your line is open..

Rich Anderson

Thanks, and I wish you happy holidays.

So, John, when you talked about the variable interest sort of approach that you take to deferrals, does straight-line rent also get recalculated by taking the cash rents out that you defer, or does the straight-line rent get calculated still on the same full amount of rent?.

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Yes. Good question, Rich. Thanks for asking that. So at this time the relief under GAAP is we didn't modify straight-line revenues. So straight-line revenues think of it as once set, it starts out and it's positive. Then in the midpoint of the lease term it flips and then it amortizes itself away. So we've not adjusted that.

But at some point in the future when the pandemic is clearly over we expect now GAAP to come back and revisit that 842 which is the GAAP requirement will come back into play and we'll have to then revisit whether the entire lease has to be modified. So -- but at this point no that's not happening.

It's -- the straight-line revenues have remained unchanged..

Rich Anderson

Okay. I don't know if it was -- who mentioned it maybe Eric but - or maybe it wasn't mentioned I kind of thought I heard it.

But on the mezz investment is there a pipeline of that in front of you that you think you could capture? Could this become somewhat of a recurring business even though you said at this point it's not a change in strategy --specifically talking about MOBs?.

Eric Mendelsohn President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. Yes. But to be fair Montecito is a co-investor in the fund it's their equity in the fund. So they would initiate a process to sell whatever buildings are in our fund. And given our cost of capital and the cap rates that MOBs go for we would think twice about buying MOBs. .

Rich Anderson

Okay. On the topic of deferrals I don't -- is the word deferral and concession can that be used interchangeably for you? It sounds like it can, but maybe I'm wrong about that.

Is there something definitionally different about the word concession?.

Dana Hambly Director of Investor Relations

Well, we have some abatements. So our deferrals earn interest. And the recent concessions putting everything in the bucket of concessions have been all deferrals. So when we first started we had this $2.1 million related to the Bickford sale that was abated and we didn't receive any income on -- interest income on or yield on.

But that's, kind of, our the way we're using the definitional words on it. .

Rich Anderson

Okay. So there are some small amounts of abatements that you just are gone.

Anything else that has an interest rate attached to it we could think of as a deferral concessions being the general term?.

Dana Hambly Director of Investor Relations

Right. That's right. That's right. Exactly..

Rich Anderson

Okay. Thank you, Dana for that. And then last question. Do you think that there's anything geographical at work here in terms of some of the struggles that you're still having with some of your operators, or has it come down to the asset type? Because it does feel like this is hanging around a little bit longer.

We've heard more in the way of optimism from some of your peers not everyone, but some of them.

I'm just curious if it's secondary markets or rural areas that is really the epicenter of some of your most difficult challenges?.

Kevin Pascoe Executive Vice President & Chief Investment Officer

Hi, Rich, it's Kevin. I guess, I would tell you it's a little bit of both. Its geography and its asset type. We've definitely seen the more need driven components come back sooner. People have been quarantine now for over a year and they're now that they're able to access the vaccine they have a little more confidence.

This is what we've been talking about in prior conference calls of helping that consumer confidence in being able to make a purchasing decision. So we've seen that need driven component definitely rebound a little bit faster.

As we talked about in the prepared remarks, with specific to Holiday, we actually have seen small positive months for the last two months now which is a good sign, but it's been slower to come back, than what we've seen with Bickford by example.

And then, within that, there are still some geographies where they had just started to discuss or loosen up some of their touring and restrictions just by way of example, we had some communities in Oregon that went back to full lockdown, a week ago, two weeks ago.

So there are pockets across the nation, where dependent on local authorities it makes it very hard for them to do business and get move-ins and tours and do their traditional jobs. So unfortunately, it's a little bit of both.

By and large, our communities are open for business and able to tour prospective residents, and have family visitors, which is -- was the big things that we needed. But unfortunately, it still does persist in some areas..

Rich Charles

Right. And so are you using this experience is, -- it informing you, as Eric said, don't use this year wisely and come out a little bit stronger, it's probably going to target some of those geographies that have been caught up in this most of all.

Is that a fair statement?.

Kevin Pascoe Executive Vice President & Chief Investment Officer

In May, it's definitely going to be part of the equation. We're going to look at the portfolio and work with our customers to understand, where the major pain points are. And where we think, there's a good trade and long-term value for the portfolio. So I think that will be part of the equation..

Rich Charles

Yeah. Okay. That's all I got. Thank you..

Kevin Pascoe Executive Vice President & Chief Investment Officer

Thank you..

John Spaid Executive Vice President of Finance, Chief Financial Officer & Treasurer

Thanks, Rich..

Operator

And there are no further questions at this time..

Dana Hambly Director of Investor Relations

Thanks everyone, for participating today. We hope to see you either virtually or in person, at a conference soon..

Operator

That does conclude the call for today. We thank you for your participation and ask that you please disconnect your lines..

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