Greetings, and welcome to the National Health Investors Third Quarter 2020 Earnings Call..

[Operator Instructions].

As a reminder, this call is being recorded, Tuesday, November 10, 2020. I would now like to turn the conference over to Mr. Dana Hambly. Please go ahead, sir. .

Thank you, and welcome, everyone, to the National Health investors conference call to review the company's results for the third quarter of 2020.

On the call with me today are Eric Mendelsohn, President and CEO; Kevin Pascoe, Chief Investment Officer; John Spaid, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; and David Travis, Chief Accounting Officer.

The results as well as notice of the accessibility of this conference call on a listen-only basis over the Internet were released yesterday after market close, in a press release that's been covered by the financial media..

As a reminder, any statements in this conference call, which are not historical facts are forward-looking statements. NHI cautions investors that any forward-looking statements may involve risks or uncertainties and are not guarantees of future performance. All forward-looking statements represent NHI's judgment as of the date of this conference call.

Investors are urged to carefully review various disclosures made by NHI and its periodic were filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the risk factors and other information disclosed in NHI's Form 10-Q for the quarter ended September 30, 2020..

Copies of these filings are available on the SEC's website at sec.gov or on NHI's website at nhireit.com. In addition, certain terms used in this call are non-GAAP financial measures. Reconciliations of which are provided in NHI's earnings release and related tables and schedules, which have been filed on Form 8-K with the SEC.

Listeners are encouraged to review those reconciliations provided in the earnings release together with all other information provided in that release..

I'll now turn the call over to Eric Mendelsohn. .

Thank you, Dana. Hello, and thanks for joining us today. We hope that everyone is staying healthy and positive in these most interesting of times.

I want to express my deep gratitude and admiration to all our operating partners and their heroic employees that knowingly put themselves in the harm's way every day as they work to care for our country's most vulnerable population. Thank you..

To date, our operators have held up relatively well as occupancy declines generally slowed in the third quarter, aided by a pickup in move-ins and the leveling off of COVID-related expenses. We collected nearly 97% of rent in the quarter and nearly 98% in October.

In the third quarter and for the year-to-date, we reported AFFO per share growth of 1.5% and 4.5%, respectively..

It should also be noted that we were tracking on the lower end of the range for the first 9 months of 2020 in terms of our numbers, formerly known as guidance.

We think this is a testament to the stability of the triple-net lease strategy, the needs driven nature of the properties we invest in as well as the underlying strength of our operating partners..

Depending on the timing and effectiveness of the vaccine, we expect the impact of the pandemic to be more uneven across our property types as winter approaches. Thus far, our interest fee communities and skilled nursing properties, which together generate over 50% of our revenue, have been quite resilient.

However, our free-standing, assisted-living, memory-care and independent-living operators are experiencing greater challenges as COVID cases are spiking in many parts of the country, which is slowing the pace of move-ins, while the move-outs are accelerating in what is typically a seasonally weak period..

We are very encouraged that the HHS has included assisted-living operators as eligible participants in the Provider Relief Fund, which will help with the financial hardships inflicted by the pandemic. While we are hopeful that more federal assistance is on the way, we cannot solely rely on this to resolve all the issues..

As disclosed in our press release and our 10-Q, we've reached an agreement in principle with Bickford for assistance in these difficult times. This includes deferring up to $3 million of November rent.

They have additional deferrals of $750,000 available for each of December and January, all of which, if exercised, will accrue interest at an 8% rate with repayment expected over 12 months beginning June 2021..

We are also continuing to work with prospective lenders and Bickford on the previously disclosed sale of 9 properties which we estimate will improve Bickford's annual cash flow by approximately $3 million.

Bickford has applied for grants under Phase 2 and 3 of the provider relief fund which we expect that they will receive before year-end, which will also improve their financial position. These measures will improve Bickford financially and create a long-term solution.

But we will continue to work with them closely over the coming months and take further measures if needed..

As the pandemic unfolded, we expected that there would be deferrals as we head into 2021. We have other tools at our disposal as well, including the use of deposits and other reserves and some personal and corporate guarantees.

We are willing on a tenant-by-tenant basis to help our operators bridge the gap to a more stable operating environment within certain commercial norms..

That said, we believe these challenges presented are temporary so we're hesitant to make longer-term decisions that would have a more permanent impact on our future cash flow.

While we certainly did not anticipate the pandemic, our Board and senior management have been disciplined in adhering to our conservative financial metrics, which puts us in a strong position to weather this storm and to take advantage of growth opportunities as they emerge..

Our big picture outlook has not changed. We continue to see tremendous opportunities for growth in senior housing and skilled nursing real estate and will be opportunistic with our capital deployment to help drive shareholder value..

With that, I'll turn the call over to John.

John?.

Thank you, Eric. And hello, everyone. During the third quarter, we began to experience more direct financial impacts due to the pandemic.

As we position the company for the pandemic's future unknowns, we continue to be proactive and not over reactive to the crisis, which we believe is resulting in solid and even surprisingly strong financial performance..

While we cannot remove all the uncertainty that we will continue to experience for the next few quarters, we are confident that we have the strategy, operator quality and financial tools necessary to transition through this period.

Beginning with our net income per diluted common share for the quarter ending September 30, 2020, we achieved $0.95 per share in earnings. That compares to $0.97 per share for the same period in 2019.

For the 9 months ending September, we achieved $3.31 per share in earnings compared to $2.72 per share for the same period in 2019, which is reflective of the gains we recorded during 2020 for real estate dispositions..

For our 3 FFO performance metrics per diluted common share for the third quarter compared to the prior year quarter, NAREIT FFO and normalized FFO were both flat at $1.42. And adjusted FFO increased 1.5% to $1.34 per share.

Reconciliations for our pro forma -- performance metrics can be found in our earnings release and 10-Q filed yesterday afternoon at sec.gov..

Cash NOI is the metric we use to measure our performance. A reconciliation of NHI's cash NOI can be found on Page 18 of our Q3 2020 SEC filed supplemental. For the quarter ending September 30, cash NOI increased 1.2% to $75.3 million compared to $74.4 million in the prior year period..

However, reflecting Q3 rent deferrals, cash NOI was down 2.8% sequentially from the second quarter.

While our triple-net strategy continues to mitigate the cash NOI effects from COVID, and more importantly, our operators continue to finally execute on an infectious control protocol, as Eric just mentioned, a subset of our senior housing portfolio experienced more pronounced COVID occupancy declines in the third quarter than what we saw over the summer..

As a result, today, we're announcing additional rent deferrals for Bickford, which, together with other previously announced rent deferrals will impact cash NOI growth by up to approximately $5.5 million over the next 2 quarters, or approximately 3.5% of our trailing 6-month cash NOI before deferrals.

As we negotiate rent deferrals, we are seeking to accomplish 2 outcomes..

The first outcome is to provide our operators with the confidence that we are committed to their success and the care of the residents. And the second outcome is to equitably structure the deferrals on behalf of the best interest of our stockholders.

We cannot predict the continuing impact the pandemic will have on our operators for the next few quarters..

However, between our operators' exceptional capabilities, additional federal support and our other cash sources that we can make available to our operators under our leases, such as deposits and escrows, we do continue to be confident that any additional occupancy loss or coverage decline will not necessarily translate into additional dollar-for-dollar rent deferrals..

Turning to the balance sheet. Our debt capital metrics for the quarter ended September 30 were our net debt to annualized EBITDA at 4.8x, weighted average debt maturity at 2.9 years, and our fixed charge coverage ratio at 6.3x. We ended the quarter with $1.53 billion in total debt, of which 91% was unsecured..

For the quarter ended September 30, the weighted average cost of debt was 2.96%. At the beginning of the third quarter, we added liquidity to the balance sheet through a new $100 million, 1 year -- with 1 year option to extend term loan. Loan carries a variable interest at a rate of LIBOR plus 185 basis points, with a 50 basis point LIBOR floor..

At October 31, we had $252 million in availability under our $550 million and $38.2 million in unrestricted cash. In addition, during the third quarter, we sold 79,155 shares of NHI's stock through our ATM program at an average price of $65.35 per share, raising approximately $4.8 million in net proceeds..

We have approximately $495 million in capacity remaining under our ATM program, which was filed together on our shelf in February of this year. I'm pleased to also announce the last Thursday, we received an investment-grade Baa3 rating from Moody's.

Our 3 investment-grade ratings now position us to begin exploring public debt and begin our regular program for managing our maturities moving forward..

In mid-September, we declared our third quarterly -- quarter dividend of a $1.1025, which was just funded November 6. I'm pleased to report to you that we continue to pay our dividend with an AFFO payout ratio in the low 80% range without significant further cash flow burdens from routine capital expenditures..

The pandemic keeps -- continues to keep us mindful towards meeting both our financial and dividend policies. Our Board is committed to our financial policies, including our commitment to maintain our leverage between 4 and 5x net debt to EBITDA.

So we're very pleased to date, we've been able to balance our dividends, our leverage ratios and our commitments to our operators..

Our management team will continue to work hard to continue this track record moving forward towards the conclusion of this crisis..

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Kevin Pascoe to discuss our portfolio.

Kevin?.

Thank you, John. Starting with an update on COVID. Active resident cases peaked in late July at 483 cases across our portfolio and then trended down to 161 cases in early October. In our last 2 updates, cases have started to climb again, and we're at 367 active resident cases across 81 communities.

The active cases represent about 1.5% of our unit capacity. Nearly 3/4 of the cases are in our SNFs, some of which are actively admitting COVID patients..

On the senior housing side, our operators continue to limit the spread as active resident cases per community was at 2.4 last week, which matches the average since we started reporting the data in mid-March. We think this firmly demonstrates the value proposition of seniors housing, whose mission it is to keep the senior population safe..

Turning to collections. We received 96.6% of our third quarter contractual rent and 97.8% of October rent. We expect to provide a November update mid-month, which will obviously be impacted by the Bickford deferral that Eric discussed.

In addition to the Bickford deferral, we agreed to defer or abate approximately $570,000 of rents for the remainder of 2020 with another tenant that will also grant that tenant the option to defer approximately $450,000 rents related to the first quarter of 2021..

Any deferred rent payments will accrue interest from the date of the deferral until paid in full and are due no later than December 31, 2022. We do have credit enhancements in our leases with many of our senior housing operators, which total approximately $37.1 million in cash or letters of credit in addition to guarantees.

And we have excellent credit from our SNF operators..

Turning to the performance of our different asset classes and larger operators, our needs driven senior housing operators, which account for 32% of our annualized cash revenue were hit hard at the onset of the crisis, but did level off through the second and third quarters as move-in activity picked up enough to slow the pace of occupancy losses.

As Eric mentioned, assisted-living operators are now included as eligible providers beginning with Phase 2 of the Provider Relief Fund, which equates to approximately 2% of 2019 revenue, which most of our operators have or expect to receive..

Phase 3 applications were due by November 6, so we should know more about those distributions soon. We are thankful to HHS for their inclusion of assisted-living providers and all the efforts from our trade associations to secure this inclusion. These funds are much needed and help shorten the gap to a more normal operating environment..

Bickford, our largest assisted-living operator, representing 15% of annualized cash revenue, experienced an 80 basis point sequential decline in third quarter average occupancy which compared to a 270 basis point decline in the prior quarter comparison.

We talked last quarter about our cautious optimism on stabilizing trends, which largely proved out in the third quarter..

However, more recently, move-ins have slowed as COVID cases throughout the Midwest spiked. As described by Eric, we have taken initial steps to help improve Bickford financially and we'll continue to inform you on any future steps if and as they occur.

Our entrance-fee communities, which account for nearly 1/4 of our annualized cash revenue have proven to be resilient as the average length of stay at these properties ranges from 6 to 10 years and the residents are often younger and healthier than what is typical in our other discretionary senior housing models..

Senior Living Communities, which represents 16% of our cash revenue, had third quarter average occupancy of 79%, which was down just 10 basis points from the second quarter. September average occupancy was 78.9%.

While SLC's entrance fee sales are down year-to-date, we are encouraged by recent developments as entrance fee sales actually increased year-over-year in both September and October, which is helping to bolster coverage. EBITDARM coverage for SLC was unchanged sequentially at 1.06x..

Our rental independent living communities, which account for 13% of our annualized cash revenue has experienced a more pronounced and sustained occupancy decline than our needs driven and CCRC assets.

Holiday Retirement, which represents 11% of annualized cash revenue, had average occupancy of 79.6% in the third quarter, which was down 390 basis points sequentially..

This followed a 380 basis point decline in the second quarter. The occupancy continued to decline throughout the quarter and September's average occupancy was 78.5%.

A significant percentage of our Holiday units are located on the West Coast where limitations on visitation and residents' ability of the travel outside the community are more limited, which we believe is having an outsized negative impact on occupancy..

EBITDARM coverage slightly ticked down from 1.2x to 1.18x as of the second quarter. We do have solid credit support behind this lease, but we continue to monitor the situation closely.

The skilled nursing portfolio, which represents 27% of annualized cash revenue, is anchored by 2 strong tenants in NHC and the Ensign Group, who contributed 12% and 8% and of annualized cash revenue, respectively..

EBITDARM coverage for the trailing-12 months ended June 30 was 2.89x, which improved from 2.81x reported in the prior quarter. This coverage is inclusive of funds received from the CARES Act, which seems to be working as designed as it is helping SNF operators to bridge the gap to a more stable operating environment..

Turning to our business development activities. We have announced $204.7 million in year-to-date investments. During the third quarter, we exercised our purchase option to acquire The Courtyard at Bellevue for $12.3 million.

This is a 43-unit assisted-living and memory-care community in Bellevue, Wisconsin, which was opened in March 2019 and was 100% occupied upon our acquisition..

The long-term triple-net lease on Bellevue replaces a $3.9 million second mortgage that we had secured in January of this year. The property is operated by 41 Management, which is a growing operating partner of ours, that now includes 8 properties.

While there have been plenty of deals to evaluate throughout the year, we characterize the pipeline as more actionable today than in recent past quarters.

With our balance sheet in good shape, we are looking at deals that run the gamut, including triple-net leases with existing and new operators as well as opportunities in short-term, higher-yielding products like mezzanine debt and development financing..

We are encouraged by the depth of the current pipeline as we expect we will have plenty of capital to recycle in the next 12 months from sources, including the previously mentioned Bickford portfolio sale, loan repayments, purchase options and other select dispositions..

With that, I'll hand the call back over to Eric. .

Thank you, Kevin. This year has presented unique challenges to say the least, we have managed through the crisis with few lasting scars to this point, but know that we are not out of the woods yet.

That said, our strong balance sheet and liquidity and our diverse mix of operators and properties position us relatively well as we try to bridge to a more stable operating environment..

With that, operator, we'll now turn the line over for questions. .

[Operator Instructions].

And our first question comes from the line of Daniel Bernstein, Capital One. .

I guess the first question I have is, what other purchase options do you have near-term that you can exercise? And then maybe if you can go over on the flip side, outside of Bickford, what loan repayments and purchase options your operators have that we can think about the next 12 months?.

Dan, this is Kevin.

You're asking what purchase options we have on other buildings?.

Yes.

What can you exercise, and then what can the other -- the operators exercise as well?.

Yes. Well, I guess what I would direct you to -- as you think about it, this is not 100%. But generally speaking, when we do a loan, we're going to be getting some sort of purchase option or at least right of first offer.

So as we think about what's available to us from a purchase option standpoint is that's the pool that -- first, we're really looking at is our developments and any kind of -- in the event we did any kind of acquisition financing..

So we have a purchase right on -- there's a Bickford development that we have a purchase option on, there's -- I would tell you that the Sagewood is a large investment that we have. That's something that as it matures, we'll be looking at very closely. So that's what I would say that you should direct to.

If you're looking at what is in the pipeline, so to speak, it's going to be anywhere where we have mezz or those construction loans because we put this in pole position, so to speak, to make an investment. I think the rest of your question was -- go ahead. .

And then -- yes, I was just going to say what -- in the next 12 months, what loan repayments and purchase options can the operators exercise?.

Yes. So our loan repayments, we're looking at -- we've got one up in the Northeast that we would expect to likely pay off. We've got, from a purchase option standpoint, if you look at our supplemental on Page 7, that schedules out where our repurchase options are.

We have a couple of hospitals that I would, in all honestly, expect to probably exercise their option over the next 6 to 12 months..

Yes, at this point in time, I think everybody is still trying to figure out where things are headed before they exercise anything, but that is something that's available to them. It's their option. So we have viewed it as those are likely to go.

But as we've talked about before, and as we've demonstrated with some of our other partners, we're going to work very hard to try and push those out, if not try and rework those options..

We did that with Legend, that ultimately went to Ensign. We had another group with the 2 buildings in the Northeast that we were able to push out those options. So we've worked very hard to keep those partnerships going and find creative ways to keep them in place. So just because it is their option, doesn't mean it will be exercised.

But as we said, it is risk, so to speak, that they do exercise it. .

Okay. Eric, in your opening comments, you said that you thought the challenges were temporary.

Does that apply the same for seniors housing and skilled nursing? How do you look at the challenges differently between those 2 food groups, say, post a vaccine?.

Well, it's interesting right now, the difference between skilled nursing and senior housing is like a tale of 2 cities. You've got skilled nursing being showered with government subsidies if they want them.

And you also have a conscious effort to treat COVID patients at skilled nursing which seems counterintuitive based on what we've seen at some other skilled nursing operators, but we know that Ensign is admitting COVID patients and treating them and making money at that. So I feel like skilled nursing is doing just fine..

Senior housing post-vaccine, I think the market spoke yesterday on what that looks like. And we're modeling in April, may, integration of vaccination and starting to return to normal. So that's the way we look at it here. .

Okay. And then one last question for me is it seems like operators -- many of the public -- operators for public REITs have been holding rates on the same time -- at the same time. Even with the vaccine, we're starting off at the low, I think, it's maybe mid-upper 70s occupancy.

So it seems like there should be some rate pressure on the industry that persist.

But kind of what's your thought when you underwrite assets in terms of how rate may play out in the next 12 or 24 months?.

Sure. This is Kevin again. We've definitely seen people discounting in the marketplace, and that's something we'll need to factor in as we continue to look at new investments. I feel like our operating partners have had a pretty good pulse on their respective markets and have been able to address some of those issues.

A lot of them, we try and -- we're not the operator but we caution them not to try and race to the bottom. At the same time, it's very hard when you've got other people that are making deals, so to speak, in the marketplace..

So it's just something we're going to have to take on a market-by-market basis, see how that market is performing, where their rate structure is. As I said, I think -- I feel like our operators have been pretty disciplined in how they approach it. But at the same time, you have to be able to compete.

So they are doing some selective discounts or deals here and there to make sure that they can get the bends when they have them. I feel like our operating partners doing a great job of converting people when they do get tours..

But that's a challenge by itself is to actually -- whether it's state regulated, where they are not allowing tours or what have you. I mean there's a huge barrier in some areas to be able to get those move-ins. So you got to have things in your tool belt to be able to attract new residents.

So on a go-forward basis, again, I think it's really just more on a case-by-case basis, see what that market is doing.

If we feel like there's a heavy amount of competition or a heavy amount of discounting, it might be just something that we pause on and let play out versus trying to make an investment where you just don't know where rates are headed. .

Our next question comes from the line of John Kim, BMO Capital Markets. .

Just wanted to clarify on the Bickford rent deferral. That steps up this month, but then they have an option to defer a lower amount over the next couple of months.

Is that lower amount due to the potential for the asset sales to occur during this time frame? Or in other words, why do they not use as much of a rent deferral in December, January?.

This is Kevin. I would classify it as a timing issue. A couple of times a year, they'll have 3 payrolls that is not an insignificant number for Bickford. So I think that's what you're seeing pop up is really just a timing issue.

We wanted to make sure we gave them enough liquidity to try and get to -- into the first quarter, if not through it, and be able to reassess where things are. Trying to get some more clarity with the vaccine and where occupancy is headed, and it's just a matter of buying some time but also giving them liquidity to conduct business. .

Okay. At the same time, you're mentioning that in senior housing, and it may not be directly referring to Bickford, but senior housing move-ins have slowed due to COVID. But you're also seeing move-outs accelerate due to seasonal weakness.

So I'm just curious, again, why you think Bickford will improve the cash flows over the next couple of months, if that's the case? But also, I guess, my question is on the seasonal weakness in move-outs.

So I'm wondering if that it's something you anticipate given the flu has been relatively weak in the Southern hemisphere this year?.

Yes. I would tell you, we're still watching the trends as it relates to move-outs and where move-ins are coming from. We are anticipating, as Eric said, some seasonal weakness in that we do generally see additional move-outs this time of the year. So I think that's just more of a planning mechanism..

And I think what I was saying before is we're not expecting cash flow necessarily to improve for Bickford. It really was more of a timing issue for them. To make sure that they've got line of sight again into the first quarter.

The sale does play a role into how we're looking at Bickford, and that will -- well, we continue to watch that and work through that very closely. But again, I think that's really just more -- it was more timing, not expecting things to rebound in the next 60 to 90 days. .

Okay. And then Eric, you mentioned in your prepared remarks that you're looking to become opportunistic. And I'm wondering if you could just elaborate on what that means. In the environment where cap rates seem like they remain low.

Are you willing to acquire assets with the low initial yields with occupancy upside? Or are you looking for immediately accretive deals only?.

Well, John, as you know, we're able to find ways to structure deals on distressed property that are both opportunistic and accretive, I would point to some of the loans that we've done with investors. We'll do a higher interest, larger -- higher up the capital stack loan with a purchase option once the buildings stabilize.

So we're starting to see a lot of owners of destabilized buildings or even new buildings that haven't opened, throw in the towel, and we're getting some really interesting chatter from the brokers that we work with about the opportunities out there. .

Next question from Rich Anderson with SMBC. .

No, yes. So I'm not quite sure. Has the environment informed you at all about where you head -- where you'd balance your portfolio going forward between skilled nursing and senior housing? Do you think that the opportunity set starts to get materially better in senior housing, given all the demand chatter we're hearing about on a go-forward basis. .

Well, I would tell you that we try to remain opportunistic as it relates to both asset classes.

Eric's mentioned on numerous occasions, we'd love to be able to do more skilled nursing, particularly with high-quality operators like NHC or Ensign Group, and there's plenty of others in our operating partnerships that we'd like to be able to expand those relationships as well..

So I think that's something that's definitely of interest for us. And then as Eric said, long term, we still believe in senior housing. We want to continue to invest there and think that there's going to be some opportunities as we work through this over the next 6 to 12 months or so.

And then beyond that, there's more asset classes that we continue to evaluate. We've talked about behavioral health, we've talked about a number of other things that are of interest to us, and we're going to continue to pursue those opportunities as well..

So I mean, I've said for a while, if we continue -- like the diversification that we have right now is good. If we continue to expand that pie, we're in good shape, but we also have some ability to make some moves.

Like I said, with maybe a more meaningful investment and skilled if we can find the right properties and operator or some of these other specialty-type hospitals that we've invested in, in the past. .

Are you at our camp where the government-regulated nature of skilled nursing has morphed from a liability to an asset on a go-forward basis, given everything that's happened?.

Well, I guess, that's a bit of a slippery slope. I think it's been a blessing for them most recently. They've been very well supported. We're very thankful for that. At the same time, they are very well -- very highly regulated. I don't see that going anywhere. If any way, those regulations probably increase from here. So I think there are aspects of both.

And for right now, though, it's been definitely an asset for them. And I think it was a conference... .

Yes. And Rich, I would also say that what we're seeing with skilled nursing is the exact opposite of the stroke of the pen risk that everybody always points out with skilled nursing. So I wouldn't be surprised after the dust settles in a year or so to see skilled nursing cap rates come down. .

Yes. That's our thesis. .

Okay.

What explains the unevenness, as you described in the press release, where you're having more problems in independent living and assisted living and memory care? Is it primarily just where you happen to be geographically? Or is there something more than that?.

The easiest thing to point to is the geography. From -- as we've mentioned on the independent side, a lot of our units from the -- with Holiday, have been on the West Coast, California, Oregon, Washington, which has been much more restrictive, even though these are not licensed.

The ability for people to move around, the ability to do tours has been compromised there..

And then as we've also talked about, there's been some additional COVID cases rising in the Midwest and the southeast. And given our geography that's been some issues and particularly in select states.

We've seen states like Illinois and Michigan be a little more restrictive on being able to do tours, being able to move people in, depending on what the situation is, if you have a COVID positive resident or employee..

So there are some additional barriers there that continue to make it difficult for them to do business as usual. I feel like our operators are definitely complying with that and making sure that they're taking care of the resident first and foremost as best they can.

But they've got to be able to get back to generating a lead base and getting people to move in, and that's something they're working on every day, but it is still very much a challenge. .

Okay. Last for me.

Any risk that the Bickford deferrals could become abatements if things sort of drag on? Or -- and if not just Bickford, anywhere in your portfolio where you've gone that route?.

Well, so far, what we've said is that we're kind of unwilling, so to speak, to make long-term decisions at a -- what we hope is a low point in performance and operations. So we feel that these referrals are the best avenue as we talked about before, when we have these discussions, everything is on the table. We'll see where things go from here.

And if this does get protracted out, we are heartened to see that there is some positive vaccine news, which I think will help instill some confidence in the marketplace, which is what has been sorely lacking..

So your question is not lost on us. I think the fact of the matter is, it really is a matter of time and how we get back to some sort of normal operating environment. And we've got to keep all our options open. .

Our next question comes from the line of Gordon Sadler (sic) [ Jordan Sadler ] with KeyBanc Capital Markets. .

So I just wanted to start in on operating performance more recently that you guys discussed in the press release and on the call, can you speak to what you're seeing in occupancy trends in October, maybe qualitatively? Ordinarily, I think on the second quarter, the first quarter, you guys were sort of an example in terms of transparency, in terms of what's happened with occupancy in your seniors housing portfolio.

So I'm just -- I was surprised I didn't see it yet in the release last night. .

I'm surprised you're surprised, Jordan, because we still intend to publish that, and we publish it mid month. So our earnings call is a little ahead of that. Not being a RIDEA organization, we're reliant on our tenants to supply us with up-to-date occupancy numbers, and that takes a little while to collate and orchestrate.

So stay tuned, and we'll get that to you as soon as we can and in line with our previous disclosures. .

Okay. And what I meant by that is, I think your last 2 earnings reports were probably 10 days into the quarter or into the month following the end of the quarter. So it seemed like the timing wouldn't be similar. That's what sort of surprised me. .

Jordan, if I could just weigh in -- sorry, if I could just weigh in real quick. I think the difference is being, it's a matter of a couple of days. We're trying -- we want to make sure we give you data that is consistent in apples-to-apples with the prior releases. So we have a lot of the information.

We get information on a weekly basis, particularly from our larger operators. But that is not the same data in terms of closing the books and making sure we have consistent average monthly occupancy, which is what we've been disclosing to you. .

So we want to make sure that we've been able to get that in, put it through our asset management systems, and make sure that it is an apples-to-apples number that we're publishing instead of just weekly or biweekly data that might have some variability to it.

So as Eric said, you'll see that when we do our mid-month update, but wanted to make sure we weren't publishing something before it was ready for prime time. .

Yes. And Jordan, no doubt, you will see a big picture, you will see Bickford occupancy down. That's why we've been doing this restructure, if you will. You will see senior living communities flat and you will see Holiday down. So that's kind of a preview. I just don't know how much of down we're going to report specifically. .

No, it's interesting. And I appreciate it, obviously, the qualitative commentary because from some of your peers in the space among the REITs at least, they've given sort of October numbers.

And it seems to point towards stabilization, but I thought your sort of language sort of spoke to a little bit more of a weakening, and that's why I was really interested. And perhaps it's a mix of operators, perhaps it's a mix of timing and that you're 10 days into November.

And some of these other folks were speaking maybe a couple of weeks ago already. So you may be have better insight. That's what I was trying to glean. .

Yes. And Jordan, this is John. One of the things we've noticed is a lot of people have been giving spot occupancies and spot occupancies are very dangerous occupancies.

At the end of the quarter, 80-unit communities, you have people -- 5 people move in, you can suddenly say my occupancy improved 6%, but on average daily rate, you could still be in the low 80s. You could still be way below that. So spot occupancies are something that we're trying to be very conscious about when we talk to our investors. .

The one that I wanted to hone in on here in terms of your operators that seems to have not really stabilized, and we did just talk about Holiday. The occupancy there continues to slide, it sounds like Eric, you're saying that, that continues to be a pressure point likely to October as well.

Are they current on rent? And do you foresee any issues? And how to think about what would be happening in terms of coverage there real time?.

Yes, they're current on rent. And recall that we do have credit on that. We've got deposits, and they've got working capital deposits, what we call a sinking fund on their balance sheet as a result of our restructure. So their occupancy decline is worrisome, but they seem to be managing through it. .

Okay. And then just maybe lastly on the Bickford sales.

Any sort of -- do you have any better measure of sort of timing or cap rate yet, Kevin?.

Well, we still guided the street to what our -- was our gross book, right, David? We had a -- that's what we put in there. That's kind of our barometer on what we're aiming towards or hopefully better than. I think a lot of this still is reliant on finalizing negotiations, finalizing terms with banks.

Things right now just with -- still with COVID and having to get appraisals done and a lot of the other third-party work has taken some time..

So we would have liked to have been able to be done by now. But the fact of the matter is that there's still some more work to do. As it's currently structured, Bickford is incentivized to get this done before year-end. So that's -- really the bogey is to try and get it done as far ahead of them as possible. .

Okay.

And so just to use the $8.7 million-ish of annual rent coming from those assets could be right and a gross book value and we'll get a rough proxy?.

I don't think that's an unfair place to start. .

Next question comes from the line of Todd Stender, Wells Fargo. .

I guess just to go back to the independent living discussion with Holiday and that occupancy slippage. I would have thought it'd be more pronounced with the assisted-living guys. But -- and really thought that in independent living, you get fewer move-outs right now.

Can you guys just maybe provide some color just on the move-in, move-out dynamic at Holiday specifically?.

Sure. They've -- move-outs have been their normal function of the business. And I think you're spot on in that the length of stay for independent living is greater, generally speaking, than it is for assisted living.

That said, these are bigger buildings, you've got to build a bigger funnel, have a bigger lead base to be able to replace those move-outs. And I think the lead traffic -- this is a discretionary model. People have the ability to just stay home if they want to..

So building that funnel from a move-in perspective has been a challenge, particularly in places where there are COVID outbreaks, in the greater metro areas or restrictions in place by local governments or what have you on people being able to move around. So that's a big part of what we've seen..

Their lead traffic has been down. One kind of anecdotal data point is this past month was, I think, the first time that their lead volume was in excess of where it was last year, that's for one month, so that's by no means a trend. But at least it was an interesting anecdote to see some positive movement on a year-over-year basis.

That all still has to translate to sales and move-ins. So that's something that they're still working on every day..

But there have been some glimmers here and there with our operating partners, and they've seen -- the Holiday has seen some of that, where they've had a reduction in move-outs some months, but -- or move-outs, and then they've -- just not have the move-in volume. Really, that's been the story as more of the move-in volume than the move-out..

They average between 2.5 and 3 years average length of stay with their residents and that hasn't really changed. It's just been trying to replace the funnel and build it back up. .

And Todd, just to bring home what we said in our opening remarks, the entrance-fee communities are clearly not seeing anything in terms of what we're seeing on the rental side of the independent living. Their occupancies are holding up very, very well, including our recent joint venture in Timber Ridge in the Seattle area. .

Yes. They've -- of course, they have much longer length of stay. Generally speaking, a much different profile of resident. They're a little bit younger, probably a little bit healthier by comparison.

And the other thing that's really been interesting to watch is the housing market seems to be holding up really well, which has given people the equity to make a purchase decision on an entry fee which is just a very different decision than it is for an independent -- rental independent model. .

Very helpful, guys. I appreciate that. And then I guess, switching back to the Bickford sale of the 9 properties. It's got to be difficult for a buyer I guess, any buyer, including yourselves on the other side of the table, but you guys, as a seller, framing out what the rent is going to be a stabilized rent and what the coverage is.

Can you also speak to are all 9 stabilized assets? What kind of a rental stream would the buyer be looking at?.

Well, in this case, the buyer is Bickford. So they're just looking to the underlying NOI, and that's what's being underwritten for -- by the banks to be able to support a loan on those. And then NHI will get the benefit of those proceeds.

Ultimately, what Bickford does with these assets is going to be up to them, whether they try to improve them or they try to sell them. That's going to be a decision for Bickford..

The fact of the matter is that of the 9, it's several different opportunities. There's probably 2 or 3 buildings they can expand.

There's a couple of buildings that are stable, just have -- the rent associated with them has grown beyond what the market can support because they're in a secondary or tertiary market where they have not kept up with rental increases. But they're well occupied, pretty good performing buildings..

And then there's a couple that are turnarounds that they're going to need to figure out whether they're going to improve and keep or again, sell if you can get an interested buyer. So the decision is going to be on them, it is kind of a smattering of different opportunities within the 9, and there's no question that they have work to be done.

These are all buildings that were going to be sub-1.0 on a coverage basis..

So it's going to be accretive for both of us to see them get sold to Bickford, put a lower cost of capital in place. And that's ultimately what's going to benefit them from a cash flow standpoint. .

Okay. That's helpful. And then because you've got some -- you're forgiving some rent associated with the sale.

So a true cap rate of something we may be looking at may not be fair because you have to throw that into the math, is that right?.

Well, we consider that as part of the sale and a consideration for them getting it done on a certain time line. So those are the things that we're trying to dot i's and cross t's on right now.

But yes, I mean, that's -- again, there is a -- I guess, essentially part of that purchase price is taking into effect that there was a deferral of rent over a period of time. .

Our next question comes from the line of Aaron Hecht, JMP Securities. .

Do you think the CARES Act money opening up your senior housing operators, does that materially help the portfolio from future deferrals? I guess the highlight there would be on Bickford, but I'd also be interested in the other tenants.

And then on the same topic, I think the original treasury department guidance for CARES Act money was that it had to be spent by the end of 2020. So I'm wondering if that got extended in conjunction with opening up the senior housing operators in Phase 2. .

Well, this is Kevin. I don't think their operating partners are going to have any trouble spending the money on whatever time line they set forth. The fact of the matter is there's plenty of costs associated with COVID in the reduction of occupancy that's been out there. This 2% is by no means going to make that up.

I think we've talked about this with our investors before. But if we wanted to try and quantify that 2% and equate it to a rent, it's basically like half a month to a month worth of rent. So it buys them some time, but it is it's a band aid. It's not going to solve an issue..

We do believe, based on the information we have, that there's some additional stimulus dollars coming. We've got the Phase 3 dollars that all of our operating partners have applied for, but we don't know what those are. It's just a share of a pie.

So that will be additional support that will help push them push out the time line and help them bridge a gap to, as we talked about, a more normal operating environment..

So it all helps, but it's not going to be a solve for -- we -- our trade associations keep looking into or requesting additional support. And we're hopeful that, that comes through and think that it is -- would definitely be beneficial given the impact that pandemic has had on these operations. .

Okay.

And then in terms of the Bickford recap, then getting the deal done with the bank, is your confidence higher, lower or unchanged today versus last quarter that they're going to get that done given everything that you've seen thus far?.

I would tell you, our confidence is unchanged. We're moving forward with it, believing that it will get done. Again, we still have some hurdles to get over. But we do believe that this is a good first step at minimum on trying to get Bickford some more financial stability. And it's a benefit for everybody involved.

So we still have confidence that it can get done, but it is not without some hurdles that we have to clear. .

Are the deferrals that were announced for Bickford -- I know there's essentially 2 tranches.

Does that -- does the first tranche take care of them for the rest of the year, assuming that the deal doesn't close until the end of the year? And then if we get into 2021, the optional deferrals, would that be enough to sustain them for a period of time, assuming the deal doesn't get done? Or would there have to be additional deferrals on top of that unless a vaccine got to market before people are kind of thinking about?.

This is Eric. We've modeled all sorts of scenarios. Some of them, just as you've described there. And the agreement that we reached with them is flexible enough to accommodate all of those outcomes. .

Got you. That helps. And then last one, it looks like the revolver availability increased by about $130 million quarter-over-quarter.

I didn't see where that liquidity was sourced from, kind of fill me in on that?.

Sure. Yes. So there's a lot of notes in our Q and even our press release, about $100 million term loan that we closed at the very beginning of the third quarter. That's the primary source. The other source is just the various cash flows that we get.

I'd like to remind everybody that we generally keep about $40 million of cash every year, after paying our dividend and all of our other fixed charges. So we're continuing to do that..

This year, we've had some dispositions. If you look back in our notes, you'll see some first quarter dispositions. But we just have the ability to pay down the revolver in excess of that term loan in the second quarter. .

Our next question comes from the line of Omotayo Okusanya with Mizuho. .

I just wanted to drill down on kind of 2 questions that have been asked previously. I appreciate and acknowledge your commentary around timing as it pertains to Bickford or some of the other senior housing operators. But just kind of given some comments around vaccine, you have a scenario of vaccine, getting us back to normal by kind of April, May.

It sounds like we still kind of have, again, 2 quarters of real pain to go through. And I guess just with that base scenario, trying to understand the confidence you guys have that you won't have to do more to "keep the bird on the seat.".

Tayo, this is Kevin. I think Eric had addressed that to some degree already as we're willing to work with our operators. And as we've already demonstrated with Bickford on what may come down the pipe.

For now, what we've tried to put in place is something that gets us the flexibility and gives them cash flow or cash to be able to manage through the next few months and get us to a point where we have additional clarity.

And that's really what we're trying to get at this point is each day, we have a little bit more, and we'll consider things as they come. But for right now, we've done what we can to be able to give them some financial flexibility, and we'll have to take it kind of week to week from there. .

Sure. So, that's fine. That's fair. And then the opportunities you talked about on the acquisition front, again, some comments around some developers may be struggling and things like that.

I really think that as an indication of you willing to buy assets that may not be leased up or assets that they may not be an operator yet, and you're kind of willing to take on the "lease-up risk.".

It depends. That's one of those resounding, "it depends". Unfortunately, it's going to depend on our operating partner, the market that it's in. We've done that in select circumstances in the past. Are we starting to see some of those opportunities? Yes. But we would look at that as kind of a development opportunity.

And if we have an operating partner that we can structure a deal with, that's going to be accretive to NHI, and they have some liquidity to get them through a lease-up period, we would absolutely take a look at that..

Are we going to go around and buy a bunch of lease-up buildings? No, I don't think we are. But we are starting to see some more of those opportunities. And for the right customer, and like I said, I feel like we've done this in the past on a selective basis, we would definitely take a look at that.

It just -- it's going to depend on all the things that we've looked at before.

Is it accretive to our shareholders? Is it a high-quality customer? Is it a high-quality building? And is there capital, whether we figure out a structure that finances that in or they're bringing, to get them to a stabilization?.

And that's kind of the key right now is what is stabilization? How long does it take to get there? And I don't know that we have great clarity on that. But I can just -- I can tell you it's more -- we would be underwriting more longer periods than we would in the past.

So to find something that's going to pencil when you're looking at a longer lease-up, they're going to be -- there's not -- I'd tell you, they're far and few between, but it is something we definitely are evaluating. .

And we have no further questions on the phone line, sir. .

Thank you, everyone. Thank you for joining us today, and we'll talk to you next quarter, if not sooner. .

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