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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2016 - Q4
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Executives

Evelyn Infurna - MD, ICR Hessam Nadji - President and CEO Martin Louie - CFO.

Analysts

Brad Burke - Goldman Sachs Mitch Germain - JMP Group Josh Lamers - William Blair Peter Christiansen - Citigroup Jade Rahmani - KBW.

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Marcus & Millichap Fourth Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. At this all participants are in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Ms. Evelyn Infurna. Thank you Ms. Infurna, you may now begin. Evelyn Infurna Thank you.

Good afternoon and welcome to the Marcus & Millichap's year-end 2016 earnings conference call. With us today are President and Chief Executive Officer, Hessam Nadji; and Chief Financial Officer, Martin Louie.

Before I turn the call over to management, please remember that our prepared remarks and responses to questions may contain forward-looking statements. Words such as may, will, expect, believe, estimate, anticipate, goal, and variations of these words and similar expressions are intended to identify forward-looking statements.

Actual results could differ materially from those implied by such forward-looking statements due to a variety of factors, including, but not limited to, general economic conditions and commercial real estate market conditions, including the recent conditions in global markets, the Company's ability to retain and attract transactional professionals, the Company's ability to retain its business philosophy and partnership culture amid competitive pressures, the Company's ability to integrate new agents and sustain its growth and other factors discussed in the Company's public filings, including its Annual Report on Form 10-K which was filed with the SEC on March 15, 2016.

Although the Company believes the expectations reflected in such forward-looking statements are based upon reasonable assumptions, it can make no assurance that these expectations will be attained. The Company undertakes no obligation to update any forward-looking statement, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise.

In addition, certain of the financial information presented on this call represents non-GAAP financial measures.

The Company's earnings release which was issued this afternoon and is available on the Company's website represents reconciliations to the appropriate GAAP measure and explains why the Company believes such non-GAAP measures are useful to investors. Finally, this conference call is being webcast.

The webcast link is available on the Investor Relations section of our website at www.marcusmillichap.com, along with a slide presentation you may reference during the prepared remarks. With that, it is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Mr. Hessam Nadji.

Hessam?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Evelyn. On behalf of the entire Marcus & Millichap team, good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining our 2016 year-end earnings call. 2016 was characterized by slowing sales and heightened uncertainty in the marketplace which challenged MMI financial performance particularly in the final quarter.

By laser focused on helping our clients through achieving environment, we once again increased market share and strength of the company's long-term growth prospects through key platform investments and by expanding our sales force.

After a robust fixed year recovery, investments sales in the market were flat to moderately lower throughout most of the year. But this transition was exacerbated into a sharp decline in the fourth quarter. The unexpected jump in interest rate following the presidential election was the primary cause.

In addition, a wait and see stand among many investors also emerged in anticipation of tax reform, regulatory easing and economic proposal by the new administration. These plans to boost growth should eventually help prolonged economic expansion and generate more demand for real estates.

However, uncertainty around these measures along with a widened bid/ask spread or added headwind that continue to persist into 2017.. Clarity on the proposed government policy and a recalibration on buyer seller price expectation should bring investors off the sideline and spur more sales activity.

Beyond these current headwinds, the latest data still point to a healthy property fundamental and lack of leveraging in this cycle as key drivers or still active albeit slower real estate investment sales market.

With this backdrop, MMI grew revenues by 4.1%, increased sales volume by 11.8% to a record 42.3 billion and grew transactions by approximately 3% to nearly 900,000.

We achieved net income of 64.6 million compared to 56.3 million in 2015 or a decline of 2.6% primarily due to investments in our infrastructure, proprietary technology as well as expanded business development initiatives for our brokers.

We believe strongly that these investments which we outlined going into 2016 and echoed throughout the year will support long-term growth and competitive advantages. Our earnings were all impacted by our higher commission payout as our senior brokers accounted for a higher proportion of revenue in a more challenging market.

For the year, MMI added 8% to its sales force which now stands a record and positions us for further market share growth. in addressing our fourth quarter results, let me first review a few critical data points.

While the market was expecting a gradual increase in interest rate in the second half of 2016 between November 9 and December 31, the ten-year treasury yields jumped by as much as 75 basis point.

As a result, you saw bid/ask spreads lender tightening and extended transaction timelines throughout the first five months of year become much more pronounced causing the re-pricing and re-underwriting of many pending transactions and active listings. As a result, we experienced an increase in deal cancellations and longer closing delays.

Preliminary industry estimates point to a 15% drop in market transactions and sales volumes during the final quarter of 2016. In contrast, market sales in the fourth quarter of 2015 registered year-over-year growth of 11% and volume grew 15% over the fourth quarter of 2014.

The post-election jump in interest rates was especially hard on smaller private client transactions which typically use higher leverage.

As we stated many times in the past, over the long run, sales in the $1 million to $10 million private client market segments are less volatile than higher priced assets thanks to [indiscernible] partnership changes and other personal circumstances.

However, in any given period, particularly with an unexpected and sizeable jump in interest rates and market uncertainties, private investor sentiment, price and risk tolerance can be affected as we observed in the fourth quarter of 2016.

Last but not least, we pointed out on our third-quarter 2016 earnings call for MMI the fourth quarter of 2015 had outside growth of nearly 18% of revenue and 15% growth in transaction making comparisons particularly challenging.

Fourth quarter revenue was down 6.9% from the fourth quarter of 2015 and the quarter ended with sales volume of nearly 11 billion on over 2,300 transactions.

Sales volume and transactional counts were down during the quarter by 70 basis points and 6% respectively indicating meaningful market share gains in contrast to the estimated 15% decline in market sales I mentioned earlier.

Let me just take a moment to acknowledge the hard work and expertise required of our team to close over 2,300 transactions on behalf of our clients. During the quarter, given the rapid change in interest rates and in many cases re-negotiating among the parties and having to re-qualify transactions for financing.

While the extra work needed to close transactions in the fourth quarter reduced productivity towards new business development, we were able to successfully meet the vast majority of our client’s transactional need.

Our private client market segment which are transactions between 1 to 10 million once again delivered nearly 70% of our brokerage commissions and continues to be the foundation of our business. Revenue for this segment grew 1.9% in the year, but declined 9.6% for the quarter due to the factor I shared earlier.

Again, this was against a very difficult comparison in the fourth quarter of 2015, which posted private client revenue growth of nearly 30%. Brokerage revenues on the sale of properties valued at 20 million and above increased 32% to 97 million, with the fourth quarter increasing 15% on a year-over-year basis.

This was a testament for our senior agents and IPA division's ability to effectively service our private and institutional clients in a changing market environment.

It is also reflective of the growing number of private clients who are consolidating their portfolios into larger assets, and institutional clients utilizing our platform to access private capital. Our specialty brokerage division also continued to gain ground last year, with an overall transaction increase of 6.7% and a volume gain of 19%.

We saw particular strength in senior housing, self-storage, single tenanted lease and hospitality. Our financing division, MMCC, saw loan volume growth of 4.5% for the year to just over 5 billion and transaction increase of 3% to 1,650 transactions.

These results were hampered by the drop in activity during the fourth quarter especially among affordable and tax multifamily financings. The jump in interest rates and expectation of tax reform had particularly adverse effect on these transactions. Expansion of MMCC remains one of our key growth opportunities.

To this end we have been working on expanding our network of capital sources over the past year and announced a correspondent relationship with ReadyCap in the third quarter of last year.

ReadyCap is a GSE lender specializing in small balanced multifamily loans and although still in its early stages, our relationship has been well received and starting to generate transactions.

I’m also happy to announce another proprietary preferred correspondent relationship with PGIM Real Estate Finance, a commercial mortgage business of Prudential Financial. This program is specifically designed to increase our access to lending options in the middle market and larger balanced multifamily transaction.

PGIM offers one of the most comprehensive set of real estate finance products including GSE debt for market rate and affordable housing, FHA, conduit and [indiscernible] general count. A formal announcement will be made shortly.

These correspondent relationships are designed to provide more options to our clients and added deal controls for all loan originators. Both of these relationships also provide dedicated resources that are highly responsive with competitive pricing for Marcus & Millichap clients.

Let me now address the four pillars that impact our business, which include the economy, real estate supply and demand, capital markets and investment sales. The economy is creating jobs that are modest to consistent pace, which we believe is sustainable.

It’s not likely to accelerate to some degree assuming infrastructure spending and tax performance come to fruition. On the supply demand front the overall balance in the market appears sustainable with positive rent growth. Construction is clear to increasing across various property sites.

However, with the exception of high-end apartments in the Top 10 most active metros, overbuilding is not likely in the foreseeable future. We are seeing softness in luxury apartments in select metros, but the sector as a whole is still performing well.

The older workforce housing stock that comprise the majority of the market and our sales in particular is seeing high occupancies and strong rent growth. Capital markets in particularly have maintained ample liquidity levels for both debt and equity, but caution is the order.

Lenders are active in the marketplace and competitive but have a more conservative stance on underwriting and buyer qualification. The FED is signaling a more aggressive position on raising rates as inflation gathers momentum.

As we've shared before, we believe an orderly rise in interest rate [indiscernible] strong job growth should not be disruptive to the market. In fact rising interest rates coupled with the eventual policy clarity I mentioned earlier could provide further motivation for many investors to come [indiscernible].

Finally, the slowing trend in investment sales will likely remain exaggerated for the first half of 2017, due to the headwinds I outlined earlier. But again, eventual clarity on various policies should be a catalyst for increased activity.

Despite the overall trend toward a more tempered market environment after record years, it is critical that we keep a perspective of the size of the market especially as related to MMI's long-term growth prospect. In 2016, there were an estimated 52,000 trades with 83% in the $1 million to $10 million private client segment.

Even in a slowing market, the size and fragmentation of the marketplace provides ample room for additional share gains for our company. As with other market transitions throughout our 46-year history, our priority is to increase our client outreach and help them formulate and execute the best strategy.

We are also focused on expansion and strategic metros, additional hiring and advancing our training programs and updating our sales force deployment for better market coverage. We continue to invest in the right platform improvement while effectively managing other costs.

We are confident that MMI's platform and brand will continue to gain market share in an evolving commercial real estate transaction environment and look forward to keeping you updated on our progress throughout 2017. I will now turn the call over to Marty to discuss our results in more detail.

Marty?.

Martin Louie

Thanks Hessam, I will be discussing our fourth quarter 2016 and year-end results in greater detail. Total revenues in the fourth quarter were $189 million compared to $203 million in the prior year. As Hessam mentioned earlier, this was against an outside fourth quarter of 2015 comparison where we saw revenues increase 18%.

The decrease during this quarter was due to a decline in all of a market segments on a year-over-year with the exception of our larger transaction real estate brokerage business which saw 15% growth.

Total revenues for 2016 improved 4.1% to $718 million primarily driven by increases in our real estate brokerage commission, which comprised 92% of our revenues or $662 million for the year. Driving our revenue growth was the increase in average transaction size, average commissions for transactions and the number of executed deals.

Our agents executed nearly 6,500 brokerage transactions for the year compared to just over 6,300 during 2015 for an increase of approximately 2.3%. We ended the year with a total of 1,737 professionals for a net addition of 130. Overall, we executed 2,309 transactions for the fourth quarter of 2016, down 6.1% from the prior year.

Total transactions for the year increased 3.2% for 2016, despite an overall decline in transaction market. This improvement came on top of 2015's strong growth in transaction of nearly 14%, which we have [indiscernible] as a tough comparison. Sales volume for the full year increased by 11.8% to $42.3 billion.

Revenue from financing fees generated by MMCC grew by 1.2% to $12.7 million for the quarter and by 2.1% to $43.4 million for the year and accounting for approximately 7% of total revenue. MMCC revenues during the fourth quarter was particularly challenged by the drop in affordable and tax credit multifamily transactions.

Other revenues, which is comprised primarily of consulting and advisory fees along with referral fees from other real estate brokers, was down both during the quarter and for the full year by approximately 15%. Note that this revenue stream only contributes 2% towards the company's total revenue.

Total operating expenses were $161 million for the quarter compared to $169 million for 2015 for a reduction of 4.7%. The lower cost in the fourth quarter was primarily due to a 6.2% decline in cost of services as a result of lower revenues on a year-over-year basis.

As a reminder, cost of services is primarily variable commissions paid to the company's investment sales professional and compensation related to financing activity. Cost of services during the fourth quarter as a percent of total revenues rose by 50 basis points to 64.3% compared to last year.

The increase was primarily due to the proportion of market transactions closed by our more senior agents who are typically compensated at higher commission rate. SG&A for the quarter decreased to $38.4 million compared to $38.6 million for the same period last year.

The decrease was primarily due to lower management performance-based compensation offset by increased investments towards improving our infrastructure platform and our agent business development.

To expand on this, a large portion of our investments went towards improving and expanding our offices in key strategic markets, which we have identified as having opportunities for growth.

Rather than opening new offices, we believe the most effective way to increase shares to strategically deploy additional agents into these key markets that have existing MMI offices. As such, leases in these locations such as Manhattan, Palo Alto, San Diego, Newport Beach, Atlanta, Denver just to name a few are renewed with expanded footprints.

These larger offices which were designed to promote collaboration, communication and workplace productivity have often well received by our sales professionals, clients, and employees.

In addition to strategic office expansions, we also focused our investments towards replacement of proprietary information systems with web-based mobile technology with new and improved institutional quality output for our clients while improving the efficiencies for our agents.

Marcus & Millichap research products and services were also enhanced to keep us as the leading source of market intelligence for our clients. While these investments are pressuring our margins these initiatives support our long-term growth and have been very well received internally and by our clients.

On a full-year basis, total operating expenses which included cost of services, SG&A and to a lesser extent depreciation and amortization increased 6.4% ending the year at $611 million compared to $574 million in 2015. This increase is consistent with what we have messaged throughout the year.

For the quarter, net income was $17.2 million compared to $19.9 million in 2015 and for the year net income decreased by approximately 2.6% to $64.6 million. Adjusted EBITDA was $31.3 million during the quarter compared to $35.2 million in 2015. For the year, adjusted EBITDA decreased by 4.7% to $118 million.

Our adjusted EBITDA margin of 16.5% for the year reflects both topline as well as expense pressures and overall slowing transaction market throughout the year. Based on current market conditions, our margins will continue to be pressured during 2017. However, we believe expense leveraging will take place starting in late 2017, 2018.

From a balance sheet perspective, Marcus & Millichap continues to be well positioned to grow its business organically and to pursue selective acquisitions. Our r liquidity levels are very healthy ending the year with cash and cash equivalents, and core cash investments of approximately $261 million.

The senior management team continues to explore avenues for external growth as well as return of capital alternatives given our liquidity levels and our continued strong cash flow generation.

However, as we have said in the past, our strong balance sheet affords us tremendous flexibility and advantage as we look forward for strategic opportunities to increase shareholder value. Before closing, I'd like to point out a number of key items and highlights which may have an impact on our 2017 results.

First, the first quarter of 2017 will face another challenging comparison given brokerage revenue growth of nearly 15% in the first quarter of 2016. In addition, expenses for the first quarter are typically higher due to our agent awards and recognition programs based on their prior-year performance.

Second, the strategic initiatives that we outlined in 2016 will continue in 2017 given their importance to our long-term growth. Third, in recent quarters, we have made significant inroads in penetrating the largest transaction market which tend to have high variability from quarter to quarter.

And lastly, in comparison to the first few months of 2016, we are facing a more challenging market environment with growing [ph] sales. I like to now open up to the call for Q&A.

Operator?.

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Brad Burke of Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead..

Brad Burke

Good afternoon, guys. So I wanted to ask about the pressure that you saw in the fourth quarter. Do you have a sense of how much of that was related to the spike we saw on interest rates versus policy uncertainty, because it's unlikely we're going to see interest rates spike every single quarter.

My guess is that we'll see policy uncertainty remain for some time?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Brad, good afternoon. I agree with your assessment. The interest rate spikes really did have an effect on transactions that were underway, but at the same time, the added headwinds of the uncertainty relating to policy and so on is pretty serious.

I mean, as we are hearing from our clients, they're really waiting to hear more direction and more clarity on what all of those things could mean to the economy and to real estate. So for the fourth quarter, I agree with your assessments, but on an ongoing basis, we're still feeling quite a bit of a headwind from that uncertainty..

Brad Burke

Is there a reason that the private client segment is more dramatically impacted? I saw in the press release that higher debt ratios are a factor, but are there any reasons you're seeing more strength in the larger transaction segments?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, we really saw kind of an unusual confluence of factors affecting the private client in the fourth quarter and that was the fact that interest rates have been extremely low for an extended period of time, cap rates were at a record low and when you talk about the lower price points, sub-10 million, of course especially the sub-5 million, the 75 basis point movement in the interest rates has a profound effect with the loan to values in the 65% to 75% range.

And remember, the private client is affected with the personal wealth decisions and very direct investment decisions that affect their personal finances. On the institutional side, of course interest rates matter, yields matter.

They have hurdles that they have to hit as well, but when you look at the typical 20 million, 30 million and above transaction, on the institutional side, those have loan to values of 50% to 60% and are less immediate interest rate sensitive in terms of a go-no go investment decision and the effect on pricing..

Brad Burke

Okay. I appreciate that. And last one from me, Marty, you touched on the balance sheet. It looks like you have almost $300 million of cash and marketable securities.

So just how are you thinking about the magnitude that you need to maintain for cash and marketable securities, just given the nature of your business and can you help us think about your timing on potentially either deploying that capital for external growth or returning capital to shareholders?.

Martin Louie

Hi, Brad. Sure. We're constantly evaluating our cash balances and but the thing is that, we’re looking at a couple of things. One, the current operations, capital needs for the operations, but also evaluating opportunistic acquisitions.

We’re actively looking at various scenarios and, so we do understand the level of our cash balances and continue to address it with our board..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Mitch Germain of JMP Group. Please go ahead..

Mitch Germain

Good afternoon, everyone. So, Hessam, you talked about the challenging backdrop in 4Q and I'm assuming a lot of your brokers are spending a lot of time keeping deals alive, right.

So how much did that impact your forward pipeline?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Good afternoon, Mitch.

It affected our forward pipeline quite a bit in that the time and energy it took to basically redo transactions that have already, been done already and have to bring the parties back together, considerable amount of renegotiations, in many cases, requalifying for the financing, keeping the lender at the table, keeping the buyer and seller at the table, it was an unexpected amount of time and energy into transactions that were pretty much underway anyway.

So it had a pretty important effect on their productivity on new business development..

Mitch Germain

Got you. And then I know that Marty, you've said in the past that the business is becoming a little less seasonal, but how should we consider seasonality playing out..

Martin Louie

I think what you need to do is listen back to what Hessam said in regards to where the market is. Preliminary estimate is that, going into Q1, we’re seeing a negative 15% decrease in the market and our goal is always to slightly beat the market and gain share.

So that’s one way to look at it and then as well as I’ve said in the past in terms of seasonality, the first quarter, it typically ranges between 17% to 20% of this total year is probably going to be kind of in the middle of that, if not a little bit better. So and that’s kind of how you can see, how the year plays out..

Mitch Germain

And I am curious about your hiring 130, I think was the number you guys gave, how much of that breakdown between experienced and entry-level?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

So I’ll jump in on that one, Mitch. About, roughly 30%, 25% to 30% of that hiring was experienced professionals that have had real estate experience and really the key factor for us is that and we’ve seen market adjustments in the past, what’s really important for us is continuing to focus on the broader market opportunity.

I cited some statistics with 52,000 transactions last year, 83% in that core $1 million to $10 million business. Looking beyond the current adjustment that’s going on in the marketplace and the headwinds that we’ve talked about, we do believe that gaining more share and positioning the company for ongoing growth is very important.

So we’re not overreacting to what we’re seeing in the marketplace at this point by slowing the hiring down, including the experienced agent hiring. That’s been a very important strategy for us over the past couple of years and we’re continuing to focus on it..

Mitch Germain

Is the experience hiring reflective in how we should be thinking about cost of services, i.e., experienced people, higher payouts, so your cost of services will get a little less leverage going forward?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Maybe to a very minor extent, number one in general. Number two, remember that most of our focus of that majority of our experienced hiring focus is not on top level teams that require really a classic acquisitions. They are mid-tier professionals that join because of the benefits of our platform.

Therefore, even though they do have little bit higher splits because of their experienced level, they’re not really being acquired per se. And in those cases where you have an acquisition formula in place, those are very much tied to performance hurdles and revenue growth thresholds and so on.

So we’re continuing to take a very conservative stance at the cost of growth..

Mitch Germain

Got you. I know Peter has got one more for us. Thanks..

Unidentified Analyst

Hey, guys. Yeah. Just one from me. Just given the focus on the technology upgrades and accounting for these increased costs from the growing footprint, the research investment, how should we view G&A going into 2017 or continuing through? Thanks..

Martin Louie

Yeah. In terms of SG&A, typically, Q1 tends to be about 10% higher than Q4 because of some of these awards, recognition programs that we have. So typically, Q1 going into Q1 is 10% higher than Q4. And then for the rest of the year, we estimate SG&A in total going to be in the $180 million to $185 million range.

And typically for the remaining three quarter, they’re all pretty much consistent with each other..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Josh Lamers of William Blair. Please go ahead..

Josh Lamers

Thanks. Good afternoon, gentlemen. A couple of broad-based questions here. Turning first to an MMCC, looking out the last couple of years, it looks as though the percentage of transactions there as a percent of overall transactions for the company has been rather stagnant.

I’m just wondering if looking ahead to 2017, 2018, given some of the comments about focusing effort on that and growing MMCC, if we should expect a percentage of finance transactions to be about in line with what it has been historically with brokerage transactions, or whether you should start to see an increase..

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Great question. Looking backwards first, the key focus for us over the past couple of years for MMCC was to really improve the quality of the professionals, the infrastructure of MMCC and so the focus was really on internal improvements and the business unit has been growing very nicely, but pretty much along the same pace as our overall business.

In 2017 and beyond, we’re looking to accelerate that. It’s not going to happen overnight, but there are two or three different initiatives going on that are very important related to MMCC. First of all, it’s our focus on more experienced people.

We’ve made a dramatic shift in the training of more experienced people, just in the last, really in the last 12 months and that hasn’t quite shown up in the numbers yet and it probably won’t until later in 2017, going in to 2018. It’s because of the transition that it takes and it’s more of a focus going forward in our hiring.

The second thing is that from a service offering perspective, the correspondent relationships that I described earlier, ReadyCap on the small loans, balance program, the Prudential relationship on the middle market and larger transactions, those are the kind of strategic moves that we’re executing to basically expand our service offerings.

And so the broadening of the model, the broadening of the tools that are available to our originators and the way that it can integrate better with our investment sales people is something that’s fairly new and therefore, going forward, we would expect better results in terms of the growth rate than your look back over the last two years..

Josh Lamers

Okay. Thank you.

And maybe just as a follow-on to that, what are maybe some of the primary reasons that someone selling or buying a property would not utilize the services of the capital core?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, there is really no reason that they would not, other than the fact that a lot of our clients historically have had relationships with other mortgage brokers, those relationships tend to be long-term and they’re rather difficult to dislodge.

A lot of our clients have their go to person, but overtime as our investment sales team begins to introduce their MMCC partner in the same office and as that partner becomes more experienced and more qualified and has a bigger book of business, which creates more confidence, these sort of inter-office relationships are becoming more and more integrated.

And that’s really the way that we’ve positioned MMCC internally. Externally, we’re marketing MMCC as a competitive intermediary for the best financing to the marketplace. So they’re focused also on developing business directly and on their own, with their own marketing is also enhancing or basically improving.

And so it just goes back to that relationship building with both the borrower and in house with our investment sales team..

Josh Lamers

Thanks. Really helpful.

Just one last quick one for me based on the market share comments at the beginning of the press release, any thoughts on where you would like, or where you hope to see market share go within the coming years?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, we’ve outlined market share growth by product type over the last couple of years and our overall 8.3% share in the $1 million to $10 million marketplace is nowhere near saturation.

Just to give you an example which I’ve shared in the past on the apartment front, which is of course our largest business segment, our national market share is roughly 13%. Our top 10 offices have an average market share of 25%.

So looking at what is being accomplished by our leading offices, we’re using that benchmark to basically inspire and execute a market share growth expansion plan for all of our offices.

So the potential to get up to 20%, 25% market share in apartments also has already been proven and that’s where we’re basically moving the company by property type, but I will say as when I emphasize this, market share doesn’t happen overnight, I mean, you have to hire the right people, you have to train them, you have to deploy them to the right components of a submarket in each metro.

So it’s a gradual process. We’ve made tremendous progress in market share over the last couple of years, but it is gradual and just want to emphasize that..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is form Peter Christiansen of Citigroup. Please go ahead..

Peter Christiansen

Thank you, gentlemen. Glad to be part of the mix.

First question, I guess given the current environment, should we think that you still need headcount growth to meet, to continue market share gains, or is there some element of attrition by your competitors?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Hi, Peter. Well, if we were to only react to the current market environment, the real immediate, let’s say, next three to six months, we would be making a mistake and I'm very passionate about the fact that there is -- the market that we operated is so vast and so fragmented.

As I’ve shared before, the top 10 brokers including ourselves have a 24% market share in a market that accounts for 83% of 52,000 transactions. It’s a significant market opportunity for us. So yes, there's no doubt that what we're experiencing right now is very challenging. The headwinds are serious, but we've seen market adjustments before.

We've seen market recalibration before. We've seen the classic price expectation taking time on the seller side and the buyer expectations to basically have to adjust based on the fact that the market is still very healthy.

All of these classic things that we’ve experienced over 46 years are at play now and they can’t really deter us from pursuing this broader market opportunity. So yes, we could gain more market share with the current sales force that we have, they’re very capable.

We’re training more and more of them, but on top of that, if we don’t add in a diversified fashion, so that we don’t oversaturate a particular market with too many professionals and one product type and really pursue the expansion opportunities in, let’s say, the office market, multi-tenant retail.

In many markets where our apartment salesforce could still grow. If we don’t do those things, then we’ll fall behind and we’re not going to do that and that’s why we’re seeing a very committed to our hiring goal..

Peter Christiansen

Thanks. That is helpful. And then I guess, as it relates to the toughness that we saw in Q4, I am assuming that some deals fell through.

Of some of those, was it more because of failure to requalify under the financing, or is it more related to issues with the terms of the investment? Can you just give us a sense or characterization of why some deals fell through?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. On the lending side, lenders are very much at the table and they’re very competitive.

They do want to put capital to work, but when you have the 75 basis point movement in interest rates that we talked about, the way an appraiser or a lender is going to view the adjusted value versus and require more proceeds, more equity from a buyer versus the seller’s expectation on having to adjust that products or the buyer’s expectation of having to step up is where the gap basically occurs.

And in this market environment, where we’re not in a recession. Contrary to that, the economy is actually growing. We’re still adding jobs at a very nice pace. Occupancies are healthy. Cash flows are healthy, so that overall, if you will, the stress in the market is non-existent.

The sellers that we found unwilling to make the price adjustment basically couldn’t come to terms with the fact that a discount was necessary in order to make the deal happen. A lot of deals have been priced to perfection so there wasn’t a whole lot of margin, if any in many of these transactions.

Remember, the cap rates have been at the historical low and so there has -- because of the fact that there is no distress in the marketplace, there was not the willingness to discount the assets.

Now, because of the fact that conditions are changing, because of the fact that interest rates are going up, I go back to my comment about the classic adjustment, both in terms of the seller’s expectation on pricing, and the psychology that goes with that and buyer’s expectation.

These things just have to have time to basically come together and more data points and that’s why the uncertainty related to tax reform is a significant factor right now..

Peter Christiansen

I guess relating to that, I mean, the assumption is that we should get some more clarity some point late Spring and then I guess into the early Fall.

Do you think that those on the sideline have a timeline around getting that clarity and is there a potential that if something were to slip that they would still go forward, or are they is it -- there isn't that much of a countdown I guess on their end?.

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

It is very dangerous to speculate at a broad level like this and we were talking about very general trends. I mean, there is so many nuances in every person’s decision making and every asset and its performance. I can’t really make a general statement to that..

Operator

Thank you. The next question is from Jade Rahmani of KBW. Please go ahead..

Jade Rahmani

Thanks for taking the question. Just wondering if you give a bit more color on the difference in growth rate you saw between the large deal size and your other business lines or channels.

Do you think that deal timeline -- presumably it takes longer to close a large transaction -- do you think that played into a factor, and in the first quarter, do you expect the large transaction group to more closely resemble the pace of volume that you're seeing in the private client group and the other channels? Thank you..

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. Your comment is accurate that the deal timelines did play a role in more of the larger deals closing in the fourth quarter plus the fact that as I mentioned earlier, the effective interest rate spike was more minimal on the larger transactions.

I don’t want to underplay the fact that interest rates increasing affects all client categories from the largest institutions to the smallest private clients.

It clearly does, but when you look at the loan to value ratios of 50% to 60%, it’s just not as profound on a $3 million or $4 million transaction that makes up the bread and butter of the company’s core business. So there were some differences there.

I can’t give you any guidance on the first quarter, but I will tell you that if you look at the last couple of years’ growth rate that we’ve achieved through various initiatives, whether it’s expansion of our IPA division that’s focused more on institutional investors and major private investors and experienced senior level Marcus & Millichap agents doing larger transaction, the growth rates in the last couple of years have been exceptional and it would be unwise to expect those kind of breakneck paces to continue going forward.

It is a part of our growth plan. We are very committed to making sure that our larger accounts segment continues to grow. It’s very important for our retention from a career development of our agents and client retention.

I do want to emphasize that a lot of our private clients now look to consolidate smaller assets in their portfolio into one or two larger assets and that gives us a very important competitive advantage in bringing the private capital buyer to our institutional clients.

So it’s an important part of our strategy, but the growth rates of the past, especially several quarters, have been quite exceptional..

Jade Rahmani

And just a follow-up, you disclosed that in dollar volumes, about 34% is the multifamily sector. Does the other segment, which is about 16%, does that include condo? Thanks for taking the questions..

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I’m sorry.

I couldn’t hear, does that include what?.

Jade Rahmani

Condos. Condo buildings. Condo developments..

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I see. We don’t sell individual condos. That is not part of our specialty and so all of our multi-family market rate investments are basically rental property..

Operator

Thank you. There are no further questions in queue at this time. I would like to turn the conference back over to management for closing remarks..

Hessam Nadji President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, operator and thank you for joining our call. We appreciate your attendance and the great questions that were asked and we look forward to having you on our first quarter 2017 call. Thank you very much..

Operator

Thank you. Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation..

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