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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2023 - Q3
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Operator

Good day everyone and welcome to the Methode Electronics Third Quarter Fiscal 2023 Results. At this time, all participants have been placed on a listen-only mode and we will open the floor for your questions and comments after the presentation.

It is now my pleasure to turn the floor over to your host, Robert Cherry, Vice President of Investor Relations at Methode Electronics. Sir, the floor is yours..

Robert Cherry Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, operator. Good morning and welcome to Methode Electronics fiscal 2023 third quarter earnings conference call. For this call, we have prepared a presentation entitled fiscal 2023 third quarter financial results, which can be viewed on the website of this call or found at methode.com on the Investors page.

This conference call contains certain forward-looking statements, which reflect management expectations regarding future events and operating performance and speak only as of the date hereof. These forward-looking statements are subject to the Safe Harbor protection provided under the securities laws.

Methode undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statement to conform the statement to actual results or changes in Methode's expectations on a quarterly basis or otherwise. The forward-looking statements in this conference call involve a number of risks and uncertainties.

The factors that could cause actual results to differ materially from our expectations are detailed in Methode's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, such as our 10-K and 10-Q reports. At this time, I'd like to turn the call over to Mr. Don Duda, President and Chief Executive Officer..

Donald Duda Consultant

Thank you, Rob and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us for our fiscal 2023 third quarter earnings conference call. I'm joined today by Ron Tsoumas, Chief Financial Officer. Both Ron and I will have opening comments and then we will take your questions. Let's begin with the highlights on slide four.

Our sales for the quarter were $280 million, they were down 4% compared to the prior year, but up 4% excluding a significant headwind from foreign exchange and a sharp drop in material spot buys and premium freight cost recovery.

The increase was mainly due to higher sales in the Industrial segment, driven by power distribution solutions for electric vehicles and data centers. Our power product sales continue to be the catalyst behind our strategic pivot to more industrial business and a reduced reliance on user interface solutions.

This also results in a better sales balanced between our automotive and industrial reporting segments. In the quarter, we continue to face ongoing cost increases due to inflation in material and labor, which continues to be a drag on margins.

We can, however, as I previously stated report a significant reduction in spot buys and expedited shipping and we continue to gain traction with price increases, which will lag as a matter of process. On the order front, we had a modest quarter with approximately $30 million in annual program awards.

These programs were once again dominated by electric vehicle awards. After the end of the quarter, we announced a public tender offer for the shares of Nordic Lights, a very exciting opportunity for us to grow our LED lighting solutions franchise and gain more industrial and non-auto transportation market exposure.

I will provide more detail on this shortly. Turning back to EV activity, sales in the quarter reached a record 24% of our consolidated total and we increased our full-year presented outlook to 21%. In regard to EV awards, we have now won over $120 million in annual program awards year-to-date and have a very strong pipeline in front of us.

In the quarter, we continue to raise debt, which again at its lowest level since the Grakon acquisition in 2018. During the quarter, we purchased approximately $8 million of stock of the announced $200 million board authorization and we have purchased $111 million in total. This buyback program has been a key part of our capital allocation strategy.

Lastly, but just as important on anything on this slide, we generated $43 million in free cash flow in the quarter.

No, I would not view this as a run rate as can fluctuate based on the dynamics of our working capital, but it is certainly an indication our retention to operational performance and the importance of generating cash in our business model. Moving to slide five.

The awards identified here represent some of the key wins in the quarter and represent $21 million in annual sales at full production. As a reminder, the launch timing most of these programs could be anywhere in the range of one year to three years from now. In the quarter, all of our major awards were for EV programs.

The awards were mainly for power products associated with the EV skateboard architecture, but they also include programs for lighting and user interface solutions for the top app. The awards were also heavily weighted towards Asia, where EV quoting activity has clearly picked up.

I'd like to take a step back and reflect on our EV activity over the last three years. As you can see from this chart, since the beginning of fiscal year 2021, we have won approximately $400 million in EV awards. This award stream acts like a backlog and potential future business. There is little doubt that EVs will be driving our organic growth.

Moving to slide six. I would like to take like you to turn to the exciting opportunity that we have with our tender offer for Nordic Lights. They are global supplier of mission critical lighting solutions including work and driving lights for heavy duty equipment with the reoccurring and diversified OEM business and a considerable aftermarket.

Our management team has been very impressed with Nordic Lights and its management team, its market position and its customer base. Let me provide a few details. Methode announced the public offer last week on February 28.

The Board of Directors of Nordic Lights has agreed to recommend that the shareholders of Nordic Lights accept the offer and approximately 57% of Nordic Lights shareholders have already undertaken to accept the offer. Nordic Lights aligns well with Methode stated inorganic growth framework given its focus on engineered solutions for OEMs.

Its industrial and non-auto transportation market exposure and its customer and geographic diversity. Nordic Lights is highly complementary to Methode LED lighting solution and there was very minimal overlap in our product offerings. Methode ha greater scale of Nordic Lights and reduces their reliance on the construction and mining markets.

Lastly, leveraging the Methode brand, Nordic Lights will be able to cross-sell those products to the broader Methode customer base. The completion of the offer is subject to certain conditions and achieving acceptance of more than 90% of the shares in Nordic Lights.

The offer period is expected to commence on or above March 15th and to expire on or above April 14th and the offer is currently expected to be completed during the second quarter of this calendar year.

In summary, we are very excited about this opportunity to grow our existing LED lighting solutions business, while gaining more industrial and non-oil transportation market exposure. We look forward to working closely with the talented Nordic Lights team to grow and strengthen their business even further.

Moving to slide seven and returning to the quarter. Methode delivered solid sales driven by our Industrial segment and our efforts in power solutions. Furthermore, Methode had another record quarter for EV sales. Our operations generated strong free cash flow and we've embarked on an exciting acquisition opportunity with Nordic Lights.

Lastly, we again reaffirmed our three-year organic sales compound annual growth rate of 6%, demonstrating that we are on track to organically grow the business. However, due to the expected weakness in datacenters and commercial vehicles and the timing of an auto program roll-off, our path to the start will not be linear.

Methodes had multiple years of strong awards, in fact these awards will enable to not only replace the sunsetting center console business, but to grow the business at the 6% rate that we have targeted.

To support these new and diverse set of customer programs, many of which are for EV applications, we were making investments and launching over 20 new programs in fiscal 2024. These investments include significant tooling and increased staffing.

While this activity is expected to support our organic growth target for fiscal 2025, the timing will result in flat organic growth in fiscal 2024. As a reminder none of this includes the acquisition of Nordic Lights. When we report full year fiscal 2023 results in June, we will provide further details on our guidance for fiscal 2024.

At this point, I'll turn the call over to Ron who will provide more detail on our third quarter financial results and outlook for the full-year..

Ronald Tsoumas

the guidance does not include any acquisition costs from Nordic Lights. Our estimated annual effective tax rate is now 16% to 17%, lowered from 17% to 18%. It does not include any potential discrete items. We anticipate CapEx of between $40 million and $45 million, which remains unchanged.

Estimated depreciation and amortization expense is $50 million to $55 million, also unchanged. As a reminder, we previously announced a three-year organic sales compounded annual growth rate target of 6% with fiscal year ‘22 as the base year.

Due to the timing of a large auto program roll-off and the expected market weakness in datacenters and commercial vehicles, the organic growth will mainly occur in fiscal year 2025. As Don mentioned before, Methode has had a strong pipeline of awards.

They will enable us not to only replace the center console programs, but grow the business at the 6% rate we have targeted. We will be making investments in launching over 20 new programs in fiscal year 2024, while this activity is expected to support our organic growth target for fiscal year '25.

The timing of the launches will result in flat organic growth in fiscal year 2024. As a reminder, none of these projections include the acquisition of Nordic Lights. We will provide further details on our guidance for fiscal 2024 when we report our full-year fiscal 2023 results in June. Don that concludes my comments..

Donald Duda Consultant

Ron, thank you very much. We are ready to take questions..

Operator

Certainly. At this time, we'll be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Your first question is coming from John Franzreb from Sidoti & Company. Your line is live..

John Franzreb

Good morning, guys and thanks for taking the questions..

Donald Duda Consultant

Good morning..

John Franzreb

I'd like to start with that last comment about your expectations of organic growth being flat in 2024.

Has anything you deteriorately changed about your expectations in the automotive or truck market as far as growth or cyclicality compared to three months ago?.

Donald Duda Consultant

We've seen slower growth in our datacenter market, mainly in power and slower sales in Asia, that is changing..

Ronald Tsoumas

Yes. Clearly, the Asian auto and datacenter, which tends to the datacenter business tends to be lumpy. We've had a really good quarters, we don't expect that to continue into next year at that rate. And some of our third-party market, research and commercial vehicles has also changed in the last -- since we spoke last.

So the combination of all of those things would lead us to a more flat organic growth year-over-year..

John Franzreb

Got it..

Donald Duda Consultant

And the projection for truck changed quite a bit for commercial vehicles. Down -- these are -- from a market forecast, down 14%, but we're looking at in ‘24, and recovering in ‘25, but a significant drop in our planning for ‘24..

John Franzreb

I guess, I'll just stick with that been quickly, it seems like a lot of people are experiencing better than expected calendar ‘23 truck business than they anticipated, say, in January 1 and that might make the comps are more challenging in the year ahead. You seeing the same kind of scenario planning out..

Donald Duda Consultant

Yes. I mean we -- it was not a factor much this year, but it will be moving next year. So yes, agree with that..

John Franzreb

Okay. And just in regards to your EV wins, it seems like it's becoming increasingly important for us to maybe be aware of the geographic mix involved in your backlog, especially in the EV market.

Do you have any sense of what that looks like broken out between North America, China and Europe?.

Donald Duda Consultant

It's really all three. And at any given time on our own user interface was heavily weighted towards North America, now it's quite nice. And then some of the programs that we want are crossing the continent, some of the larger automakers are both North America and Europe, which is very nice..

Ronald Tsoumas

John, we're investing for this organic growth in all three major locations, on three major continents to support the OEMs in different locations. So a lot of ways, that's a really good thing for us to have that..

Donald Duda Consultant

And one of the factors, why we're looking business..

Ronald Tsoumas

Yes..

John Franzreb

Okay and one last question, I'll get back into queue. Looking at your Q this morning, it looks like recoveries were down about $9 million year-over-year.

Why was that the case and what should we -- how should we think about your ability to or when we reach maybe pricing equilibrium with the current cost environment?.

Donald Duda Consultant

That's a tough one to answer. I mean, the numbers that its improved, but in our ops reviews with the teams, they are still seeing, as we said in our prepared remarks there were still, material price increases and labor is certainly is continues to go up.

So I'm very hesitant to say that's behind us, because we're looking at it and going into our next fiscal year..

Ronald Tsoumas

And John, maybe to differentiate a bit on the spot buys has to do more with the supply chain and all of that and getting premium pay on behalf of the customer procuring that products.

We're seeing that start to come down, but remember that's at zero margin, right? So as to differentiate that the price increases, that we’re going after, because of inflation..

John Franzreb

Yes. Got it, guys. Thanks. I'll let somebody else have the floor..

Donald Duda Consultant

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Your next question is coming from David Kelley from Jefferies. Your line is live..

Gavin Kennedy

Hi team. This is Gavin Kennedy on for David Kelley. Thanks for taking my questions. Can you quantify the impact of legacy roll-off had this quarter? And how should we think about the impact in fiscal year ‘24? Any details on timing and the potential magnitude would be great..

Donald Duda Consultant

Ron, go ahead..

Ronald Tsoumas

Yes, I think for the full-year, this fiscal year legacy roll-off has been in the $70 million to $75 million range. And so pretty much the same spread out over the three quarters, so went up $25 million to $30 million range, maybe for the quarter..

Gavin Kennedy

Sorry, that was this year and then expectations for next year..

Ronald Tsoumas

This fiscal we have with -- our customer has not announced their vehicle change yet. So there's very little, we can say on that, I can tell you that we've taken that into account in our planning. But I really -- I can't go into that, because of our agreements with our customers..

Gavin Kennedy

All right. Fair enough. And then switching gears. You reiterated your organic sales CAGR, even though you expect next quarter or next year to be flat. So, this implies a pretty meaningful step up in fiscal year ’25.

I assume this is driven by robust launch rates, but I was just hoping you could provide more details on what gives you confidence in that acceleration in fiscal year ‘25 and if you have any visibility these launches, the potential timing of the first half or second half that would also be helpful. Thank you..

Donald Duda Consultant

Okay. Well there's always some downside to being the automotive business. One of the big upside as you get from contracts with detail, the timing of the launch and the volumes. Now the volumes can vary that's we've seen that before. But that allows us to really put pen to paper and project what are increases there.

And this is ancient history, but if you go back to when we launched K2 from memory, I think it was from fiscal year ‘13 to ‘14, we had a $250 million jump in sales, when we were launching Center Council. So we've done -- we've had that happen before and again we can go through and look at the programs that we want.

These aren't somebody a very large established automakers. It's not all, there are some start-ups, but the major ones that are well established, but we feel confident on that..

Ronald Tsoumas

And for the third-party research on commercial vehicles while that -- it expects to dip maybe in our next fiscal year. The following fiscal year the forecast rebounds and goes up on that as well. So that will certainly help us with our 6% growth..

Donald Duda Consultant

Yes, and we've seen that before too in commercial vehicles..

Ronald Tsoumas

Yes..

Gavin Kennedy

Thanks for taking my questions..

Donald Duda Consultant

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Your next question is coming from Gary Prestopino from Barrington Research. Your line is live..

Gary Prestopino

Hey, thank you. Good morning, everyone..

Donald Duda Consultant

Good morning..

Gary Prestopino

Could you give me, what the tax rate is going to be for this -- the change in the tax rate, I didn't quite get that down?.

Donald Duda Consultant

Yes. It went down to 60% to 70%. Yeah. So modestly down, just basically 1%..

Gary Prestopino

And that's, where it will be for this year, right?.

Donald Duda Consultant

Without any additional discrete tax benefit expenses, the run rate estimated tax rate based on jurisdictional income, yes..

Gary Prestopino

Okay.

And I don't know how -- are you at with liberty to give us any idea of what the Northern Lights revenue was is like? And how it has grown over the years?.

Donald Duda Consultant

I have to stick to what we've announced is a public tender offer, so no, I can't..

Gary Prestopino

Okay..

Donald Duda Consultant

No then there is [Multiple Speakers] that may be out there, I just can't..

Gary Prestopino

Okay. That's fine, I'll look it up.

Look is -- and then what -- are they basically dealing with OEMs on the European continent or is it more of a worldwide business?.

Donald Duda Consultant

Worldwide. I'd like the geography, our business mainly OEMs, but there is a very nice aftermarket business and aftermarket generally is higher margins..

Gary Prestopino

Okay. There is very little overlap with your current customer base..

Donald Duda Consultant

I don't want to say zero, but very little. That's one of the first things we do on a potential acquisition once we've started due diligence, we look at the product offerings and we're very happy with that..

Gary Prestopino

Okay. Thank you..

Donald Duda Consultant

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. That concludes our Q&A session. I will now hand the conference back to Donald Duda, President and CEO of Methode Electronics for closing remarks. Please go ahead..

Donald Duda Consultant

Thank you everyone for listening and have a pleasant day. Goodbye..

Operator

Thank you, everyone. That concludes today's event. You may disconnect at this time and have a wonderful day. Thank you for your participation..

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