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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q1
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Executives

Don Duda - CEO John Hrudicka - CFO.

Analysts

Chris Van Horn - FBR Capital Markets & Company David Leiker - Robert W. Baird & Company Greg Palm - Craig-Hallum Capital Group Jimmy Baker - B. Riley & Company.

Operator

Welcome to Methode Electronics Fiscal Year 2017 First Quarter Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen only-mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

This conference call does contain certain forward-looking statements which reflects management’s expectations regarding future events and operating performance and speak only as of the date hereof. These forward-looking statements are subject to the Safe Harbor protection provided under the securities laws.

Methode undertakes no duty to update any forward-looking statements to conform the statements to actual results or changes in Methode’s expectations on a quarterly basis or otherwise. Forward-looking statements in this conference call involve a number of risks and uncertainties.

The factors that could cause these actual results to differ materially from our expectations are detailed in Methode’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, such as our annual and quarterly reports. Such factors may include, without limitation the following.

Dependence on a small number of large customers, including two large automotive customers, dependence on the automotive, appliance, computer, and communications industries, investment in programs prior to the recognition of revenue, timing, quality and cost of our new program launches, ability to withstand price pressure, including pricing, concessions, currency fluctuations, continued economic challenges in Europe including the exit of the United Kingdom from the European Union, customary risks related to conducting global operations, ability to successfully market and sell Dabir services, dependence on our supply chain, income tax rate fluctuations, dependence on the availability and price of raw materials, fluctuations in our gross margins, location of a significant amount of cash outside of the U.S., ability to withstand business interruptions, ability to keep pace with rapid technological changes, a breach of our information and technology systems, ability to avoid design or manufacturing defects, ability to compete effectively, ability to protect our intellectual property, ability to successfully benefit from acquisitions and divestitures, the recognition of goodwill impairment charges and cost and expenses due to regulations regarding conflict materials.

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Don Duda, President and Chief Executive Officer of Methode Electronics..

Don Duda Consultant

Thank you, Audrey, and good morning, everyone. Thank you for joining us today for our fiscal 2017 first quarter financial results conference call. I am joined today by John Hrudicka, our Chief Financial Officer; and Doug Koman, our Former Chief Financial Officer and Ron Tsoumas, Controller and Treasurer.

Both John and I have comments and afterwards, we will take your questions. First, I would like to welcome John to the team and his first quarterly call with our Company. He joined us from Titan International, another publicly held company where he was CFO. Prior to that, he was CFO at Elkay Manufacturing.

Also noteworthy, John held both operational and financial executive roles at Baxter. I look forward to working with him as we continue to create long-term value for our shareholders. Additionally, I would like to thank Doug, who retired as Methode’s CFO.

Doug has agreed to remain with us through mid-September, and subsequently as a consultant, to support the transition of responsibilities to John. I thank Doug for his consistently strong leadership of our financial, treasury and accounting operations, and the many important contributions he has made to Methode over the years.

It has been an honour to work with you Doug. Moving on to review the quarter, year-over-year first quarter fiscal 2017 sales decreased 5.6% to $192 million with lower sales in all segments. We have seen almost and across the board decrease in our European revenues and most notably from a largest customer in our European automotive segment.

As we have seen in this past, this could be a short-lived matter as some of our automotive sales are take rate dependent, and we may see increased volumes in the future periods. We are however closely monitoring the situation.

Net income decreased, affected mainly by lower sales, but also impacted by increased stock award amortization expense, higher legal and other professional fees, particularly related to the Hetronic litigation and the absence of the tariff refund last year.

Partly offsetting these unfavorable factors were lower income tax and bonus expenses; commodity pricing adjustments and the one-time reversal of accruals related to customer commercial issues in the Automotive segment, low travel; advertising and general expenses; overhead cost reductions in the Power Products segment; and favorable commodity pricing and favorable currency impact on the purchase of raw materials and labor costs.

Compared to last year, first quarter consolidated gross margins, as a percentage of sales, improved 180 basis points, positively influenced by the commodity pricing adjustments and the one-time reversal of accruals in the automotive segment, favorable commodity pricing and favorable currency impact in foreign operations, as well as overhead cost reductions in the Power Products segment.

The fiscal 2016 first quarter was favorably impacted by tariff refunds.

Year-over-year, fiscal 2017 first quarter selling and administrative expenses increased, negatively affected by higher stock award amortization expense, as well as increased costs for legal and professional services, partly offset by lower bonus, travel and advertising and general expenses.

Fiscal 2017 first quarter operating income was $26.7 million compared to $30.4 million last year. Operating margin was 13.9% this year compared to 15% in the fiscal 2016 first quarter.

We have reaffirmed fiscal 2017 guidance of sales in the range of $820 million to $845 million, income from operations in the range of $1.2 -- or $102 million to $117 million, and earnings per share in the range of $2.11 to $2.35. Based on this guidance range, our fiscal 2017 operating margin target is in the 12.4% to 13.8% range.

The guidance range for fiscal 2017 considers several factors which will affect our sales, income and earnings. Additionally, are based upon management's expectations regarding a variety of factors and involve a number of risks and uncertainties, which have been detailed in this morning's release and our Form 10-Q.

Moving on to a review of our segment results, compared to last year, first quarter fiscal 2017 automotive segment sales declined 3.9% as a result of lower ignition and steering wheel switch volumes in our European operations, decreased transmission lead frame and steering angle sensor volumes and unfavorable currency rate fluctuations in Asia as well as lower Ford center council program volume.

These declines were partially offset by new integrated center panel and entertainment module launches in Europe, higher General Motors' center council volumes and improved transition lead frame volumes in North America.

Automotive gross margins improved to 30.2% in the first quarter from 28.4% last year, specifically affected by commodity pricing adjustments and one time reversal of accruals, as well as favorable commodity pricing and a favorable currency impact.

Absence the commodity pricing adjustments and one time reversal of accruals, gross margins would have been 28.8%. For fiscal 2017, we're still targeting automotive gross margins in the high 20% range.

Moving to our Interface segment, year-over-year, first quarter sales decreased 2.4% due mainly to lower data solution product volumes as well as decreased sales at Hetronics, partially offset by higher legacy product volumes in Asia.

As we mentioned last quarter, we believe that data center industry will continue to contract in the near term as cloud computing expands an importance, reducing demand for our data group’s products.

Additionally, we are beginning to see extraordinary price pressure on our 1-gig product because of the contraction of the overall market, as well as the acquisition of our long time competitor by a contract manufacture.

While we remain confident in our 10-gig product, the fact as I just mentioned, is slowing its adoption and caused us to re-evaluate its revenue ramp. Contributing to the slower adoption is the reduction of our plan, from our flagship customer, a major network equipment manufacturer.

At this point, we're lowering our anticipated revenue for the 10-gig product for fiscal 2017 from $9 million to a range of $2 million to $3 million. Additionally, we continue to review our data group infrastructure against what possibly may be a new norm and we will make adjustments accordingly.

Compared to last year, interface gross margins, as a percent of sales, improved 230 basis points, mainly as a result of favorable currency impact and the process of raw materials and labor costs and the absence of costs associated with the move of Hetronic Manufacturing last year from Philippines to Egypt.

For fiscal 2017, we are targeting interface gross margins from low to mid 20% range. Hetronic litigation costs were $4.3 million in the first quarter of fiscal 2017 versus $1 million last year. First quarter litigation costs were higher this fiscal year versus last year, as we were able to substantially end litigation with Hetronic former President.

The court entered a favorable ruling on our claims, and started hearing to determine damages. Litigation with the former distributor is still ongoing and we are in the discovery phase.

Litigation costs were $9.9 million last fiscal year, and at this point, we are anticipating similar costs for fiscal 2017, depending on how litigation proceeds against the former distributor.

We believe it is critical that we protect the Hetronic brand, prevent unfair competition, and protect our path to market and industrial space, which is a key component to our five-year growth plan.

Moving to Power Products, net sales decreased 27.3% in the fiscal 2017 first quarter compared to last year, driven by the de minimis PowerRail sales in the first quarter, as well as reduced European bypass switch, and Asian bus bar and cabling products lines.

We still anticipate approximately $9 million in PowerRail sales for fiscal 2017 and expect to begin shifting products late in the second quarter. Supporting this, we are starting to see purchase orders for production releases.

Year-over-year, segment gross margins improved 350 basis points due to overhead cost reductions and favorable currency impact on the purchase of raw materials and labor costs, partially offset by lower sales. For fiscal 2017, we are targeting power products gross margins in the mid 20% range.

We are still seeing enough fluctuations in the business that we are operating and move the target above the mid 20% range. However, we may update the range in the second quarter. Moving to new business, we were awarded an extension of our T76 lead frame business in North America through fiscal 2024.

You may recall, we announced the potential of this business in our Asian operations last quarter. With Ford, we were awarded a six year program for the overhead council for an SUV, beginning late in our fiscal 2019, with average annual revenue of $9 million.

Additionally, we awarded the extension to a global platform on the integrated tailgate module program we announce last quarter for an additional $6 million in average annual revenue, also beginning in late fiscal 2019. The integrated tailgate module includes the camera assembly, a trunk release, and license plate illumination.

In the last two quarters, we have received approximately $23 million in new business from Ford. Now let’s move on to developments with our Dabir Overlays since our last call.

While the introduction of Dabir technology to healthcare professionals has been and continues to be a lengthy process, we have made some important strides through the first quarter, most notably, with more than 4,500 surgeries completed using Dabir technology.

Additionally, I'm very pleased to announce that we will be making initial disclosures to the medical community on the efficacy of Dabir at this October Symposium on Advanced Wound Care or SAWC in Las Vegas. Abstracts on five different studies, targeting specific customer and patient needs have been accepted for a poster presentation.

These studies being presented as well as all the other clinical trials and process are an internal part of being able to make future claims towards prevention and treatment of pressure ulcers.

The presentations will be co-presented by medical professionals that have independently control the protocol creations, data collection and analysis of each study. First, a blood perfusion study on 20 subjects of various ages and BMIs at a respective teaching hospital will be presented.

The study aims to quantify enhanced skin blood flow or perfusion using a Dabir Overlay. As noted in our last call, enhanced blood perfusion is considered by many experts to be linked tissue preservation and a key component to accelerating wound healing rates.

The favorable data collected to-date will be presented at Symposium and a formal journal article submission is planned for later this year. Second is a midpoint report on over 50 neurosurgeries using Dabir Overlay technology for procedures lasting three hours or more at mid west hospital.

The abstract presented at symposium will indicate no pressure ulcers have been reported to-date. Plans are to continue the study in the next year before formal media presentation. Third, an abstract will be presented on a pilot study on 10 very high risk patients placed on Dabir Overlay for 100 days at a New York nursing home.

The abstract will indicate no reported pressure ulcers. The study represents our first substantial inroads in the post acute care bed segments where a large group potential for Dabir has been identified. Fourth, finding from a gurney study at an emergency department of a large New York hospital system will be presented.

Findings will demonstrate improved patient comfort during long admission stage. And fifth, lab collected pressure mapping data using Dabir in conjunction with several complementary or even competing products such as warming blankets and sacral dressings will be presented to address routinely asked customer questions on product compatibility.

Beyond SAWC, a major Midwest academic medical center is evaluating in a pilot study the use of Dabir Overlays in 13 cardiovascular operating rooms, including the pre-op area. In this particular study alone, over 3,000 surgeries have been completed with no reported pressure ulcers.

We believe the center will likely extend the trial for enhanced data with analysis of outcomes anticipated early next year at the March national pressure ulcer advisory panel show.

In addition to all of the studies and trials I just mentioned, we have nine other study and trial opportunities, varying from in-home care to spinal cord injuries throughout the country, which we believe will get underway this fiscal year.

Moreover, a payment of Medicaid treatment and prevention codes remains a primary objective for post acute commercial activities. The Dabir team is engaged in this process and we will provide updates on milestones as we can.

In conjunction with this, we’ve begun design and engineering activities to develop post acute specific Dabir service and controller designed to meet the demands of this high volume market segment. Now I will turn the call over to John who'll give further details regarding our financial results..

John Hrudicka

Thank you Don, and good morning everyone. First let me say what a privilege it is to join the Method team during this very important time in its rich history. I also want to thank the management team for being so welcoming during my first few weeks here.

I'm extremely excited to be here, and look forward to working with both our analysts and shareholders in discussing our Company's results and strategic initiatives as we move forward. I have just a few brief comments this morning. Let's begin with the effective tax rate. For the quarter, it was 20.6%.

This was down slightly from fiscal year 2016, primarily due to multi-tax credits associated with the estimated qualified investment for fiscal year 2017. While it's a low end, this remains within our guidance range of low to mid 20s.

Turning now our attention to SG&A, you will note that in the first quarter, SG&A, as percent of sales, was 14.3% compared to 11.4% the prior year.

This was driven primarily by higher legal fees of $2.9 million and RSA and RSU amortization of $3.2 million, compared to minimal amortization in the first quarter of last year due to the grant of 2015 awards, not occurring until the second quarter. These increases were partially offset by lower bonus expense and other general expense reductions.

Moving to capital expenditures, in the first quarter, we spent $4.2 million. For the fiscal year 2017, we expect capital expending to be between $18 million and $22 million. Expense for depreciation and amortization in the quarter was $5.8 million. For fiscal year 2017, we expect depreciation and amortization to be between $23 million and $25 million.

Shifting to EBITDA, this was $32.5 million for the quarter or 16.9% of sales. Based on our fiscal 2017 guidance, we expect EBITDA to be in the 15% to 16% range, or between a $126 million and $141 million. Lastly, free cash flow for the quarter was $22.8 million.

Based on our guidance and capital spending estimate, we expect fiscal 2017 free cash flow to be between $83 million and $92 million. Don, that concludes my comments..

Don Duda Consultant

John, thank you very much. Audrey, we are ready to take questions..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, at this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session [Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from the line of Chris Van Horn with FBR. Please state your question..

Christopher Van Horn

Good morning and welcome John..

John Hrudicka

Thank you..

Christopher Van Horn

Just a quick question on the -- congrats on the Ford win, or multiple wins here.

Could you just comment, with those competitive bids, were you the incumbent or is this a new business win? And then, are there any other opportunities with that customer that you are looking at going forward?.

John Hrudicka

They were new wins over the council in new area. We have some programs on overhead councils in Asia, but this is, I believe, the first one with Ford. And it was a competitive bid. And we would anticipate to answer your second part of your question that we would have other opportunities with Ford and others in that area.

And it's been very similar manufacturing to what we are doing with center of councils. So it makes sense for us to move there. The tailgate is really look-forward to customer carrying it into other area, so, again someone else is being displaced with that win..

Christopher Van Horn

And it sounds like there is a lot going on with Dabir, and the abstracts and all the studies going on.

But could you just update us on, is there anything in your guidance for Dabir for the year, if so, if you could quantify that? And then how does the sale cycle really starts to ramp up? What are some of the milestones and things that need to happen for the ball to get rolling?.

Don Duda Consultant

We've not specifically said what the number is for Dabir, but it is in our guidance range minimally. And again, really in the latter half of the year may be even in the fourth quarter.

But what is happening now, the five peoples that are close to presentations that are being presented are key and that's independent verification or begin of the independent verification of efficacy of Dabir, so that’s very, very important.

We mentioned over 3,000 surgeries will be key there as we want to present hospital to adopt Dabir as a standard of care and they’ve got 13 operating rooms. That would also be a key. It’s really just turning these trials into adoption and we’re very excited about SAWC, a major accomplishment for the Dabir team and Dabir technology..

Christopher Van Horn

And then just one more if you don't mind. Could you just comment on what's going on in Europe in just a little more -- is it macro-driven in some of these categories? I know you mentioned the customer on the auto side, that it may just be a one-time order thing here.

But is there a lot of macro headwinds that you're facing -- it was in Europe? Because it seems like it's across all segments.

Could it be a Brexit thing, or what's going on there?.

Don Duda Consultant

It’s really too soon to tell. We know that, Southern Europe, we’re seeing on the customers there is down. But we mentioned our largest customer in Europe, somewhat across the board. We’re going to monitor that closely.

I’ve said in the past that our European revenues, we look at on a quarter-to-quarter basis that they have not been as predictable in recent years as our U.S. revenue. So I don’t know that it has anything to do with England and UK, but it could be an issue of consumer confidence, or again, as I said in prepared remarks, it just to be take rate.

Some of the -- unlike GM business, we’re not necessarily one-for-one on the all platforms. So we’re going to monitoring it, and we’ll make adjustments accordingly..

Operator

Our next question comes from David Leiker with Robert W. Baird. Please state your question..

David Leiker

Good morning, everyone..

Don Duda Consultant

Good morning, David..

David Leiker

John, it’s a pleasure finding, and Doug work together a long time. So thanks for the opportunity to know you..

John Hrudicka

Thanks David..

David Leiker

I want to follow-up on Dabir here, initially. If we look at number of procedures the 4,500 surgeries.

How many units are in the field, what does that work out to?.

Don Duda Consultant

We know that number, but I don’t know that we have it handy. We’re looking….

David Leiker

I'm guessing it's hundreds of units?.

Don Duda Consultant

In our numbers let's say over a 100 units..

David Leiker

And then what are you seeing in terms of the performance of the -- not the efficacy, but the performance of the units, operating structure, your cost of manufacturing. I know that it’s small volumes, and then the operating costs of that.

How are those tracking versus what your expectations have been?.

Don Duda Consultant

As far as -- let’s talk about the quality of the product and any issues of what very much like our automotive products, although they have been performing without issues. So we design that in from the beginning. The auto crew designed the -- and produced the production line and they manage that production line. So that has gone very well.

As far as our costs, those are all in line. We monitor that very closely. And as we begin negotiations with customers on adapting Dabir, our costs accounts are very integral with that product, so very much like we are doing, so there has been no issues thus far. And then, again, as I said in the call, very good performance on all these trials..

David Leiker

And the operating costs in the field, those are -- there is nothing unusual that's popping up there..

Don Duda Consultant

No. And as we’re able to demonstrate, operating costs from our standpoint are exactly what we anticipated to be and we are able to demonstrate to the hospitals that they were too adapt it, that they would obtain the savings that we have forecasted for them..

David Leiker

And then the other piece of this is -- and I know you are doing a great job on documenting all of this, and that's great and exciting to see the outcomes here.

Do you have any opportunity or any way you can give us some sense of the path to commercialization from here, and when you might be in a position on that you're monetizing this?.

Don Duda Consultant

We've said that we would anticipate that in our fiscal ’18. That add our $7 million spend on Dabir this year, and we would anticipate that we would have sufficient revenue to offset that in our fiscal 2018. And that's dependent upon on the hospitals that we are working with adopting Dabir as a standard of care in their operating units.

But we certainly have enough opportunity and visibility that we can talk about breaking even in fiscal ’18. Now that doesn’t say we don’t invest couple of more million dollars. And in the Dabir, it's certainly doing very well, but it's our long range planning so that we should be able to break even in ‘18..

David Leiker

And on the data center, can you help quantify a little bit of what's happening on pricing there in the 1-gig product? How much that's come down? And the spread between that and the 10, and just kind of the economics there of the value proposition your customers are looking at?.

Don Duda Consultant

From a gross margin standpoint, that’s a very good gross margin product over the years. But we’re seeing that on ’15 maybe even ’18 points. And in past where we've had price pressures, we were able to offset that with cost reductions, which again we do routinely.

But this has then -- a contract manufacture coming in essentially made a play for increased volume. And then since we have to make adjustments, that's -- there is no -- no more complicated than that. But one of our competitors have sold out the product line to -- and contract manufacturer have to respond.

Now 10-gig is absolutely -- we're the first start with that, no one has that. It's slowing the adoption of it, but we don't see that price pressure there. And in fact good costs will help us..

David Leiker

Yes, I guess I was more curious on the spread between the 1-gig and the 10-gig. That seems like it will push out that adoption curve for you..

Don Duda Consultant

Well, I think we're still confident with the product. But as I said, we're evaluating our whole data center business that's a thing move forward. It helps on the power side because of our Big Data customer and PowerRail, but it is having a negative effect our data segment..

Operator

The next question comes from Steve Dyer with Craig Hallum Capital Group. Please state your question..

Greg Palm

Good morning, it's Greg Palm on for Steve today. I wanted to start with auto, specifically gross margins, if there were a few one-time benefits in the quarter. But overall still feel really strong. So the question is, even if you assume a flattish sales environment going forward for the next few years.

Just wondering if there is any upside there, or if you at least have the ability to maintain current levels in the face of continued price downs?.

Don Duda Consultant

Well, we do have contractual price down that occur every year. So we have that headwind. Our ability to maintain that is going to be, and let's assume that are saved as is, and our ability to continue to take cost out and operate with very low PPM in the case of some of our major products, zero PPM.

So, it's really dependent upon cost reductions and quality. And then we do get recurrently favorable effect on currency and on raw materials. If that were to flip, that would obviously have an effect and that's very hard to predict..

Greg Palm

In terms of awards, I know the F-series center of council has been brought up a number of times in the past.

But may be wondered if you can give us an update there, and if there is anything else significant out there that you are tracking over the next few years?.

Don Duda Consultant

Matter that I guess lot of business we don't comment on business we're going after for competitive reasons. And we've said that it's a target for us. There is really not much more we can say.

In terms of other opportunities like that, I think we've said before, if you look at the GM truck line and the Ford truck line, those are mega programs that are having covered it. And we would expect that there will be a number of people competing for the 150.

As far as other wins, $20 million is a good win in center of council and we’re very pleased that it wasn’t a center of council, and we’ve got $23 million of new business with Ford going forward. But I don't really know of any other programs other than the two auto ones that we would consider large game changer opportunities..

Greg Palm

But fair to say you are still tracking some of these? Whether it's $20 million, $25 million, $30 million annual awards, you are still tracking?.

Don Duda Consultant

Absolutely, we review our opportunities. Well, the team reviews them on a weekly basis. I review them at least once a quarter, if not more. So we're tracking opportunities now into 2020-to 2023. And we just announced the extension of T76 to 2024. I've said in the past transmission programs are quite wide, this one is maybe a record.

I think that launched in ‘10..

Greg Palm

And then just shifting gears over to data. Just curious, what's your view or take on that group in general? It feels like cost competing continues to accelerate. That's not going away.

So are there opportunities there that exist? Could you potentially walk away from some of the data group's products, or divest that group as a whole? Just would love to get your overall thoughts on [multiple speakers]..

Don Duda Consultant

I mean, that’s a certainly good question. It's something -- it's a double edged sword. Our power group will benefit from it, because that's where their PowerRail is positioned. 10-gig, I think, well, slower adoption, I think it's still a good product.

1-gig is still turning good gross margins, not as much as it used to, but that will ultimately wind down, be replaced by 10-gig. Our data center business causes me the most concern. And there we have made adjustments and we'll continue to make adjustments in that business. And I am not willing to predict what we're going to see.

Data centers aren’t going to go completely away, but cloud computing is having an impact. On the other hand, a derivative of our 10-gig, we did a press release I think the last week on g-fast. The g-fast transceiver -- Methode developed that typology that came out of a telecom.

But that is essentially fiber feeds over a conventional twisted pair that won't have an impact on near term revenues. But with the same technology that we're using for our 10-gig transceivers, we may see that market develop, because it does allow the telecoms to run gigabit over the plain old twisted pair that's coming into your home right now.

So that's a major development. And again, it'll take some time to turn into revenues. So there are opportunities but we're clearly seeing a shift from the traditional data center to cloud computing. And I know that is certainly having an effect on our business, and we'll have to adjust to..

Greg Palm

Okay, good color, thanks and welcome aboard John, looking forward to working with you in the future..

John Hrudicka

Thank you..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Jimmy Baker with B. Riley & Company. Please state your question..

Jimmy Baker

Hi. Good morning, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First, just wanted to follow-up on a response to I think David's earlier question on commercialization of Dabir, your comments about expecting revenues to offset costs in fiscal 2018. And I think you had previously set a threshold for a $20 million run rate exiting this fiscal year.

But I believe all of that was first introduced when the target market was exclusively the OR.

So now that you are seeing this incremental opportunity in what's a larger TAM in non-acute care, wouldn't you be revising those revenue targets higher; and hence, the economic justification for redesigning the controller?.

Don Duda Consultant

To be bluff, no. Because we have to have our reimbursement codes that can take every bit of a year, we’ve just started on that. We can demonstrate to a hospital that even without insurance reimbursement they can save money on the cost of treating pressure ulcers, litigation and so on. That market, we’ve been pursuing for quite some time.

And as we said, it's taken us longer than we anticipated. The non-cute is, well, it takes us a while as well, and that code is key.

Now we did our studies, the Marwood study we’ve talked about, that does give us the financial specification to develop the, not too much of surface, but there’re surfaces as much of a lead time as developing that controller, that can be used in that environment.

And that’s really making the controllers simpler, less expensive, perhaps maybe even a battery operate version. But I don’t -- at this juncture unless there were some fee state change, I don’t see that making big contribution in our fiscal ’18.

I hope I am wrong, but I just think, we’ve learned how long it takes to adopt a new medical device, and so we’re being very careful about our expectations on non-acute..

Jimmy Baker

So, the fiscal 2018 figures that you've talked about or the run rate exiting fiscal 17, I mean, that will still remain OR-only for now?.

Don Duda Consultant

Yes, I wouldn’t rule out that maybe there is some sales at some place. But no that’s our focus. That’s where we’re tracking in opportunity, attracting discussions. That’s the nearest term nearest market to revenue obtainment..

Jimmy Baker

And then just switching over to the auto business, I guess, even absent the one-time gains in the quarter, a 28.8% gross margin, I think, is a new high, or at least a recent new high for the business.

How should we think about the sustainability of those gross margins? And then can you remind us the timing of the next cases you expect price down?.

Don Duda Consultant

Let me add further. That’s, I want to say a calendar year event, also reported into model year event. So when the model changes, is when the price reduction would occur. But as far as gross margins as I said earlier we are getting favorable currency and commodity pricing right now, because that gets better maybe but it can also slip the other way.

So we have that benefit in. And it is I thought I am repeating myself here. But it is depending on our team’s ability to offset that, those price reductions. They've done the very-very good job thus far in fact we've seen gross margin gains from it. And their cost of quality has been at a record.

I said on August call before I'll say it again, we’re very proud of the entire automotive group for their quality performance. That has a huge effect on our margins. So it's really dependent upon our ability to continue to do that favorable commodity and labor, and as well as that’s our saying, work that with is critical too.

We have a significant drop that has an effect on overhead coverage..

Jimmy Baker

And then you reduced the 10-gig assumptions, but left the consolidated revenue guidance unchanged.

So are you seeing some offsets elsewhere in the business? Or does this mean you are tracking towards the middle or lower end of the range for the full year?.

Don Duda Consultant

No, we’ll take a look at that going forward. We had -- we were off our projections in Europe and we’re concerned about 10-gig. But we had good pick-up truck and SUV sales. GM had, I think their overall numbers were down in August, but they had good sales again in Silverado and Colorado, I think maybe had a record.

So, that's really the offset, if that were to slowdown that would cause us to re-evaluate..

Jimmy Baker

Just lastly for me, I guess at least on the non-auto side, it sounds like more of your revenue ramp is back-half weighted in this fiscal year. Just remind us the timing of any significant auto programs that are rolling on.

And, I guess, as we think about the quarterly progression, would you expect your fiscal Q2 to still be down year-over-year in terms of sales and earnings?.

Don Duda Consultant

Well, we don’t give quarterly guidance. So I don’t think I want to comment. They reaffirmed our annual. As far as ramps, I don’t have it in front of me, but that's generally starts in our fourth quarter anything new so that the fourth quarter is generally is one of our strongest quarters.

We talked about 10-gig but that being slower, but we will see sales from that in our third quarter and fourth quarter. And then our power products, we're anticipating a back to ramp. And as I said in my prepared remarks, we've got purchase orders in house so that ramp is beginning..

Operator

That does conclude our Q&A session. At this time, I will turn it back to management for closing remarks..

Don Duda Consultant

Thank you, Audrey. We will conclude, and we wish everyone a very pleasant and safe Labor Day holiday. Thanks a lot..

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