Good morning, everyone and welcome to The Marcus Corporation Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. My name is Syed, and I'll be your operator for today. At this time, all participants are in listen-only mode. We will conduct a question-and-answer session towards the end of the conference.

[Operator Instructions] As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. Joining us today are, Greg Marcus, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Chad Paris, Chief Financial Officer and Treasurer of The Marcus Corporation. At this time, I'd like to turn the program over to Mr. Paris, for his opening remarks. Please go ahead, sir..

Maverick, Dr. Strange in the Multiverse of Madness and Jurassic World Dominion, the second quarter box office was more weighted towards our top movies as compared with the second quarter of fiscal 2021 and fiscal 2019. These films drove significant PLF sales, but at the same time resulted in higher film costs as a percentage of admission revenues.

While film costs as a percentage of admission revenues increased significantly year-over-year due to a limited number of new films and fewer blockbusters last year, resulting in abnormally low film cost percentages in the prior year, they were generally in line with our costs in the second quarter of fiscal 2019 prior to the pandemic.

With that said, we are thrilled with the success of these blockbuster films that drove new audiences to return to the movies for the first time since the pandemic began.

Shifting to our hotels and resorts division, revenues were $69 million for the second quarter of fiscal 2022 as we continue to see strong seasonal demand for leisure travel in the early summer and improving conditions for business travel. The division delivered $11.8 million of adjusted EBITDA, which is a record second quarter for any fiscal year.

We continue to believe comparing our results to pre-pandemic levels in fiscal 2019 helps provide perspective on the pace of the current recovery. Second quarter, total revenue for the division was nearly 99% of 2019 levels, a post-pandemic high. As I had mentioned last quarter, the St.

Kate, was closed for the majority of the first half of 2019 during its conversion from a branded property. But if you take the St. Kate out of both years numbers, our fiscal 2022 adjusted second quarter revenues were still 92% of adjusted 2019 levels.

Our RevPAR for our seven comparable owned hotels decreased 6.3% during the second quarter compared to the same quarter during fiscal 2019.

According to data received from Smith Travel Research for the fiscal 2022 and fiscal 2019 periods and compiled by us in order to evaluate our results, comparable competitive hotels in our markets experienced a decrease in RevPAR of 9% during our fiscal second quarter compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2019, indicating that our hotels once again outperformed by approximately 2.7 percentage points during the second quarter.

When comparing our RevPAR results to comparable upper upscale hotels throughout the United States, the industry experienced an increase in RevPAR of 0.8% during our fiscal second quarter compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2019.

We believe our results compared to the national numbers reflect an increased mix - customer mix of group business at our properties during mid-weekdays at lower daily rates as more corporate and industry events return.

While the increase in group business during the week has resulted in a lower mix of leisure customers, which are typically of higher average daily rates, the increase in group business resulted in higher food and beverage revenues from our banquet and catering operations, which are not reflected in RevPAR, but are accretive to the division results as a whole.

Food and beverage, revenues were up 98.2% in the second quarter of fiscal 2022 compared to the prior year and were up 2.1% compared to the second quarter of fiscal 2019.

Breaking out the second quarter numbers for the seven comparable hotels more specifically, our overall RevPAR decrease during the fiscal 2022 second quarter compared to fiscal 2019 was due to an overall occupancy rate decrease of approximately 11.2 percentage points, offset by a 9.3% increase in our average daily rate or ADR.

Our average fiscal 2022 second quarter occupancy rate for our owned hotels was 66.3%. Shifting to cash flow and the balance sheet, our cash flow from operations was $48.8 million in the second quarter of fiscal 2022, an increase of over $45 million compared to the prior year.

Total cash capital expenditures during the second quarter of fiscal 2022 were $9.8 million. A large portion of these dollars were spent on the completion of the first phase of a guest room renovation project at our Grand Geneva Resort & Spa, with the rest going toward normal maintenance projects in both of our businesses.

We ended the second quarter with $57.7 million of cash and nearly $280 million in total cash and revolving credit available liquidity with no borrowings on our $225 million revolving credit facility. Our debt to capitalization ratio was 37% and our net leverage was 2.4 times net debt to adjusted EBITDA at the end of the second quarter.

Following the strong cash generating quarter and with our bolstered liquidity, today we are pleased to announce that subsequent to the end of the quarter, we completed two key steps on our recovery path following the pandemic.

First, in late July, we repaid $46.6 million of short-term borrowings repaying in full and retiring early the term loan facility we took on to help manage through the pandemic that was set to mature in September of this year.

Our priority in managing our balance sheet has been to first reduce the incremental debt we took on during the pandemic, and we have now executed the significant step, which then brought us to our second step.

This morning we announced our Board of Directors has reinstated our quarterly dividend declaring a $0.05 dividend to common shareholders of record on August 25th to be paid on September 15th. Greg will comment further on how we think about capital allocation from a purely financial perspective.

The strength of our balance sheet and liquidity coupled with the steady progress in the recovery of our businesses and strong free cash flow generation, gave us the confidence to once again return capital to our shareholders. With that, I will now turn the call over to Greg..

Love and Thunder, Nope and DC League of Super-Pets and we are excited for the release of Bullet Train this weekend. As Chad mentioned in his remarks, we implemented several pricing changes to mitigate the impact of cross increases we've seen in both labor and the cost of food.

These changes were rolled out in June and benefited a portion of the quarter.

Our approach with these price changes has been very targeted and focused on the areas where our customers have shown a strong preference and willingness to pay a premium for certain days of the week or showtimes or for a premium entertainment experience on our premium large format screens.

This is an ongoing effort and we will continue to test different dynamic pricing models in different markets as we further optimize pricing. In addition, we continue to offer attractive discount opportunities for our value-oriented customers as we work to bring customers back to the movies.

Last quarter, I mentioned our new subscription programs we launched earlier this year in select markets, known as MovieFlex and MovieFlex+.

We believe these subscription programs are a way to drive recurring traffic to our theaters and we're testing a unique approach designed to promote attendance for some of the smaller films that play an important supporting role around tentpole features as well as extended length of runs of more popular films.

While the program remains very much a work in process that we will continue watching and tweaking, we are seeing positive signs. For example, MovieFlex cost - MovieFlex+ members are 150% more likely to see a small or mid-sized film than our control group.

We believe the program has a potential opportunity for distributors to extend theatrical runs for larger films and promote smaller and mid-sized films by offering them the MovieFlex+ library.

We have more work to do to further develop the program, including campaign tickets and family offerings, but we are making progress and we are working hard to create a program that is a win-win for everyone while enhancing the depth and breadth of content. And I will turn to our hotel division.

Chad shared some of the numbers with you, including comparisons to our pre-pandemic fiscal 2019 numbers and the fact that the data indicates that we once again outperformed our competitive sets this quarter.

I want to start by recognizing our hotels team for delivering a record $11.8 million of adjusted EBITDA for the second fiscal quarter, a record for any second quarter either pre or post-pandemic.

Revenues were at 92% of 2019 levels on the same hotel basis and the breadth of the recovery we are now seeing is broadening beyond the leisure traveler, whom as you know, have really led the way for the last year.

As we shared in our last few calls, we saw the improvement in group booking trends earlier in the year and we're now seeing the business comes through as group and corporate events return.

To provide some perspective on the change in the mix of our business during the second quarter of 2022, our non-group business, which includes leisure travel represented approximately 63% of our total rooms revenue.

This compares to 75% for non-group rooms revenue a year ago in the second quarter of 2021 and 57% for non-group rooms revenue prior to the pandemic in the second quarter of 2019. Overall, our business is starting to shift back closer to a more normal mix, which was in line with our expectations.

As I said in the past, we believe we have special assets that make our portfolio unique.

These assets allowed us to successfully pivot to serve an increasing number of leisure customers during the pandemic and our team is now successfully executing our plan to optimize revenue management and deliver outstanding service to returning business travelers and group events.

Our group room revenue bookings for fiscal 2022, commonly referred to in the hotels and resorts industry as group pace, is now running with an 8% of where we would historically be at this time in pre-pandemic years and is up significantly from where we were at this time last year and from the prior quarter.

We are encouraged by the increased amount of activity and leads we are experiencing and our sales teams remain focused on continuing to close the gap as business travel activity recovers. Banquet and catering revenue pace for fiscal 2022 is also trending similar to the improvement in group pace.

While still running behind where we would typically be at this same time in prior years, we are closing the gap and pace has sequentially improved from the first quarter of this year. We continue to experience very strong wedding bookings and some of the bigger events of the past are once again booking for the remainder of this year, 2023 and beyond.

In general, the overall demand environment remains supportive of strong average daily rates and we continue to see occupancy pace build even with higher rates. We are pleased with the continued strength of our average daily rate during the second quarter growing more than 24% over last year and over 9% compared to 2019 rates for the quarter.

As we stand here today, we are not yet seeing indications of consumer demand slowing or macroeconomic softness. As we look forward, we expect continued progress in the overall recovery of the industry, particularly for group and business travel.

With that said, we know that our properties will face a difficult comparison to our third quarter results last year, which included non-recurring business from the Ryder Cup, the Milwaukee Bucks playoff championship run and Summer Fest, which shifted from the third quarter last year to mostly in the second quarter this year.

Overall, we generally expect our revenue trends to track or hopefully continue to exceed the overall industry trends for our respective markets. As in the past, our results from this division will vary quarter-by-quarter due to the seasonality our properties historically experience.

But on a relative year-over-year basis, we look forward to continued improvement during this ongoing recovery. Finally, I want to briefly remark on financial milestones that Chad discussed in his remarks. We've always believed in maintaining a strong balance sheet with a manageable amount of debt including owning the majority of our assets.

We believe that core philosophy played a large part in our ability to successfully navigate the pandemic and contributed to the speed in which we were able to restore the balance sheet where we are today.

We will continue to pursue growth and investment opportunities in our businesses that generate strong returns for our shareholders whether those opportunities are through investments in our existing assets or through acquisitions.

To the extent that we generate cash flow in excess of our investment and liquidity requirements, we will also return capital to our shareholders.

The Marcus Corporation has a long history of returning capital to shareholders either through dividend or share repurchases, and our Board has been committed to reinstating a dividend when we reach the point where we had sufficient liquidity, retire the incremental term loan we took on during the pandemic, and we have the confidence in the recovery of our businesses.

We are excited to announce today that we have reached that point and we are thrilled to begin returning capital to our shareholders again. As you know, we view the world through a long-term lens. We're excited to report these great results to you today, but we also recognize that our recovery path is not a straight line.

Our rate of improvement will vary from quarter to quarter as we expected too next quarter, but I'm confident that we will continue to make consistent long-term progress. We manage the business day to day. But at the same time, we look at the overall performance of our investments with a much longer lens.

Finally, I'd like to once again express my appreciation for our dedicated associates at The Marcus Corporation. Their outstanding work and commitment to serving our customers is responsible for our success and we appreciate all that they do every day.

So on behalf of our Board of Directors and our entire executive team, thank you to all of our associates. With that at this time, Chad and I will be happy to open the call up for any questions you may have..

[Operator Instructions] Our first question today comes from Jim Goss at Barrington Research. Please go ahead..

Thank you, and good morning. Nice results. That was great..

Good morning..

I would like to explore a little more on the admissions and concessions trends, obviously, both have been out of norm with admissions coming back with the inflationary pricing plus a mix element.

And then on the cash concession side, you made a comment, Greg that there were shorter lines in the concession stands and that might have actually helped some of the sales.

And I'm just wondering how you look at those two things normalizing? And are there trends we should be thinking about as they come back over the next couple of quarters?.

Yes. Thanks, Jim. We did - we saw a lot of traffic in the theaters, and ultimately, customers showed a preference for seeing some of these movies on PLF, and PLF was a huge piece of the mix in the quarter.

And as we mentioned, we put through some pricing changes both on box office admission and on food and beverage that provided uplift to the per caps on both fronts. And customers did not show resistance or extreme price sensitivity to those changes in part because the product was great.

And so I think that overcame some of the mix that you might be referring to with some of the family films that may have had more matinee at lower daytime prices. But overall I think it really comes down to the strength of the product and the fact that people wanted to go back to the movies..

Yes, and building on that, you point about length of lines, and you know - we know it's - the longer the lines, you just have - we lose people. For us, the future is really getting people on the app and getting people to - because that shrinks the lines and I'm already seeing the benefit of the app.

We just actually introduced on the app an upsell piece. And so if you go on the app and you order something, you're going to get an upsell. And we also have a last chance offer, which doesn't come every time. So we don't train everybody just wait for that last chance offer. So we're going to leverage technology. We aren't there yet.

It's not going as fast as I'd like to see it happen, but that's the way we're going, and that's the way we're going to continue to have improvements in our performance at the concession stands..

Might you have any displays in the - at the front-end like McDonald's says some time where you could - if they're tired of waiting in the line, they order and then it gets delivered.

Are you doing anything of that nature from a technology standpoint?.

I think we'll see that as well. Yes, absolutely..

Also, I was wondering is there any continuing push anywhere for day and date given evidence that it's a bad idea? Or is that sort of we've taken care of that issue?.

Yes. I - look, I think that the - all the numbers point to the fact that a theatrical window is a positive for the entire ecosystem of film distribution as we talked about. I mean, it is the way to distinguish your product in a way that can't happen in today's modern world of streaming.

And the benefit is because we just can't play - we don't have an unlimited number of titles. And so sometimes, no restrictions is its own challenge because it's hard to distinguish things and so we are able to distinguish product.

And we provide that base and I - look, the longer you make - the shorter the window gets, it devalues the theatrical experience and devalues that people will pay for it or you'll just lose some of those marginal customers because I think it comes out so soon on streaming.

And I think if you look to Sing 2 and say, wow, what a great success, and frankly Doctor Strange as well, but Sing 2 came out six months ago, and I didn't even mention this, but they had a big - they have a $10 million in DVD sales.

I mean, they had - they remembered the concept of windows, selling the same thing to the same person over and over again.

And I do understand why everyone sort of said, well, gee, let's bag that model and stop selling things over and over and go for just one sale with the subscription model that seems like - it seems like you know the siren song of the stock market was alluring and yet at the end of the day --.

I agree with that totally..

Pardon me..

I agree with what you're saying totally. I'm just wondering if anybody is pushing or is that a done deal? And then some of the streaming services starting to look for theatrical releases has seemed to be the case for a while..

You know, I think that there - the testing of waters. They don't - I don't think - I can't - we don't discuss any specific ones just yet, but we're seeing some things that we've done and experiments we've done. But I think it shows. Look, for the streaming to work, they have to remember they have to have a marketing campaign.

You can't just put it in the movie theaters and expect it to work.

But also I'd point to the streamers to suggest that they leverage their subscriber base as an additional incentive to somehow to work to say well, maybe there is a theatrical incentive to being a streaming subscriber and then see something in the theatrical experience as well and they can tap a very big marketing base to help make that happen.

So I think there's a lot of interesting opportunities that could happen where we can be again mutually beneficial to one another where the pie gets larger, it's not a zero-sum game..

Okay. The last thing on the hotel side, you've noted a shifting back to a more normalized mix of business versus leisure travel.

What sort of timeframe do you have in mind in terms of when that normalization sort of fulfills itself comes to fruition? Do you think it's another couple of quarters or we're getting there faster than that?.

Yes, I'll start and then I'll let Greg follow. I mean, so, Greg outlined the percentage of our mix where we were a year ago, where we are now and what it was pre-pandemic.

And we're sort of midway through that shift back to where we were pre-pandemic as to how long it takes us to get all the way back there, I think, will also be influenced by potential macroeconomic changes and whether or not there's some sort of recession on the horizon in future quarters.

But it feels like maybe that at some point in 2023, you start to get back to a mix that's even a little bit closer to where we were..

Yes, I don't think that we know exactly. I think things are changing a little bit. There's this new term bleisure where business and leisure get combined.

And our hotels - so many of our hotels fit that perfectly, right, we know, it's like sort of described, I jokingly sent an email to our guys, and said it's like a mullet business in the front, party at the back. I don't think the people to fist around although I just called them mullet.

But the - but it's - you can come to our hotels for a business experience and a very high-end and a very sophisticated business experience, and stay for some fun too. And I think that is a trend that we totally don't know the impact of all of that yet, and how we're going to categorize.

But at the end of the day, the good news is, is that everybody's money is the same color and we'll take it however they want to bring it to us..

Sounds good. Thanks so much. Appreciate it..

Thanks, Jim..

Our next question comes from Eric Wold from B. Riley Securities. Please go ahead..

Thanks. Good morning, guys. So maybe you could follow-up on Jim's questions around concessions, maybe he's digging them a little bit of different way, I guess. Is the increased demand for concessions kind of the rising tide lifts all boats.

You're kind of seeing it across kind of all demos, all kind of parts of the week, maybe had to say in the best way, but are the kind of the Tuesday - less than Tuesday, it's kind of cheaper - demos getting cheaper in terms of what they spend, and they're most pressured in terms of the higher price and inflation expenses, or is everyone kind of pushing through it kind of an equal way?.

Yes, Eric, I don't know that we've got the great visibility to track through specifically to certain demographics what that concession trend is in specific customer groups.

The Tuesday concession numbers have done well and we've actually implemented some pricing changes to concession specific to Tuesday that we hadn't done before, where we had some highly discounted product and now we've started to charge for it. So there is a little bit of a change there.

And we're trying to be sensitive to the needs of the value customer and continue to stimulate demand and give them reasons to come back to the theaters. But I would say as best as we know generally across the Board concession demand has been healthy..

Got it.

And I'm not sure if you mentioned this before, but is it frequency and basket size kind of moving in tandem or is one dominating than the other?.

Well, Greg mentioned the upsell opportunities. So we are seeing that upsell play through driving some increases in basket size. And to the extent that we can keep the line shorten, keep people ordering through the mobile app, we also see the benefits in frequency, so I think it's a combination of both..

Got it.

And then last question, given the labor cost, wage inflation that you and everyone's seeing, would you say that you're holding back at all on staffing levels somewhat, either in theaters or hotels or both because of that? Or would you still prefer to staff up further from these levels with the belief that those extra costs will either be covered by greater services providing greater revenues generated, or price hikes, or both? Where are you on staffing compared to where you want to be with it?.

Yes, great question. So I think the trend is similar in both of the businesses. We are certainly not back to 2019 staffing levels in either of the businesses and we are, however, better than we were a quarter ago or even certainly two quarters ago. But we're not throttling back that staffing intentionally or normally.

We're still having some challenges in hiring to the levels that we'd like to get to. Having said that, ultimately, the new normal is probably not staffing at the levels that we were at in 2019. It's going to look different.

It's going to look different in part because of technology, it's going to look different because we've worked hard to take labor hours out of the system and drive efficiency and productivity, and how we deliver service to the customers.

So we're not going to get all the way back there, but we're trying to do things to improve the efficiency and offset the impact that we're seeing in rate. I think sequentially compared to a quarter ago, the labor market looks like it's improving. We're loosening a little bit.

We're still seeing turnover higher than we would like, but not quite as much pressure on wage rates..

Helpful. Thank you..

To build on your question just here on, I'd just add on the Tuesday concession per cap, and why we don't give the number specifically. Actually Tuesday, we are making a little bit of headway. We're actually a little ahead surprised of them we were to which Chad alluded to.

I think we're probably just doing some better pricing on our Tuesday, which typically as you know, it's more value-oriented customer. And on a - but on a percentage basis, we're doing a little bit better than sort of the whole overall circuit - the whole overall circuit is ahead.

But Tuesday is having a little - doing even a little better because our pricing is - we're doing better strategically.

So I hope that answered your question?.

Yes. Thanks, Greg, Chad..

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from Mike Hickey at Benchmark. Please go ahead..

Hi, Greg, Chad, congrats guys, awesome quarter. Wonderful to see growth come back, so great job.

The - and I guess congrats too for sure on the dividend reinstatement, I think you're definitely the first theater operator to come out of sort of COVID here and kind of restate that, really show so many things in your business, that's definitely relative strength to your balance sheet and your cash flow.

But just sort of curious about to sort of double-click here on the dividend, the confidence of your business and certainly given that we're in a recession now to go ahead and reinstate it, sort of curious if you could add anything incremental there and how you think about the path of the dividend back to sort of where it was over time? And then, I guess the other piece of color would be share repurchase.

You've done that, I think at some level historically way back in the day Greg, before Chad was here.

But how you think about repurchases, given where your stock is in relative multiple being such a discount versus the Group?.

Sure. Let me start on that one, Mike. And again, thanks for your support. So on the dividend, look, it's an exciting first step coming out of what we've been through and we discuss things that gave us the confidence to be able to do this.

And really it comes down to the recovery in the business and sustainable free cash flow generation and being able to make the investments back in the business that we need to make and we had significant CapEx this quarter and certainly still had the confidence to restart the dividend.

Relative to where it was historically, it's fairly small, but it's a first step.

And at the moment, we are limited in the magnitude of the dividend, I mean, our credit agreement, we will look the see that open up at some point, hopefully next year a bit and then based on the progress that we make, we'll recalibrate on the dividends quarter-to-quarter and that's going to be an ongoing evaluation.

In terms of the mix between share repurchase and dividend, I don't think they have to be mutually exclusive.

It's a function of where the stock price is and the multiple that we're trading at and the amount of capital that we have to allocate to returning to shareholders in both forms, and potentially in the future, it could be some mix of both of those. But today the first step really was getting the dividend back online..

And not to build on that. Step one, give the dividend..

Do you have an authorization live now to buy back stock if you need to?.

We do. It hasn't been used in some time, obviously, but there a pretty substantial authorization that's still outstanding..

Okay, great. Thanks for the color on that. The other piece, I guess, which was sort of part of normal pre-COVID was building your - theaters being fairly mature, definitely mature business domestically, building growth through consolidation and you have I think a strong track record there of building EBITDA effectively through M&A.

Just curious if you're seeing any increase in deal activity, your motivation to sort of now start leaning forward and maybe being more proactive and looking for opportunities here in expanding the network?.

Look, we are always open to opportunities. There is rumblings, but I have nothing to report to you today versus others, there's lots of big stuff happening. I think that there has been enough stability that there are - I think there is some people who might be under pressure with different financial situations.

But for the most part, I think people are just sort of in a, let's get it stabilize, and then we'll go from there. I think we're still in that period. What surprised me then, it's somewhere down the line, I couldn't tell you when, some people start to say okay, I've had enough, I've wrote it out and now I'm done.

That wouldn't surprise me and we could be people to be positioned to take advantage of that - not take advantage, but at least to capitalize on it and to offer people way to do that, we'll be open to it..

And we think our balance sheet provides us a position of strength should those opportunities arise..

Yes..

Nice. Thanks guys. Best of luck..

Thanks, Mike..

Our next question is from Paul Fanelli at Gabelli Funds. Please go ahead..

Good morning.

Can you hear me?.

Yes, good morning, Paul..

Hi. How are you doing? Great quarter. Thanks for taking my questions. Just two from me. You talked about the box office weightings towards the top movies in the quarter. Obviously, you have Avatar coming out this fall, Mission Impossible next year should kind of continue the trend.

How long do you expect that sort of weighting towards the top movies to persist and what are the puts and takes as that reverts over time? And I guess, sort of in that vein, obviously, a lot of those big films are optimized for large format screens.

So how does that mix evolve as maybe that trend normalizes?.

Yes, I think what made this quarter a little bit different is we had three blockbusters. You normally have at least one in a quarter, perhaps two sometimes.

But the three together really drove a higher percentage of the total box office, and as we look forward over the next few quarters, I don't see things aligning to kind of recreate that dynamic and - but even with the three, ultimately, the film cost as a percentage of box office revenues, was slightly higher than where it would have been in 2019 pre-pandemic, but not hugely higher.

So it's just notable because it was a lot higher than where we were at last year when we just didn't have the same number of films. We had some legacy content. We had a number of different things that drove it to be abnormally low. So I think we're on a run rate basis probably in a pretty normal place..

I'd say, the ultimate the message that we really want - as an industry that we want Hollywood to hear is that we need a broad breadth of films both small and large. As I said recently, you can't - we can't - we aren't going to survive on just dinner alone. We need to eat three square meals a day.

And frankly Hollywood needs that too, because if they want - they need - there is the overall ecosystem of media and then there is sub-ecosystems and the theatrical is a sub-ecosystem. And I think the benefits that we talked about earlier to their streaming services are very - are bearing out in the data.

And if they want that to continue and they want the place to really maximize the revenue, especially on their big tentpoles, they need also to feed us other films as well and not every product - not every product in the grocery store has the same margin.

And I think that the - in order to maintain our ecosystem, they all need to be aware of and they are aware of the fact that we need a wide breadth of films that will - well, it benefits everybody. And so that's the message that we have to keep delivering..

Thanks, that's helpful. And then I guess just the last one for me.

Early learnings from the MovieFlex subscription products, any other color you can put around that?.

No, I mean the - for us, the big question is depth of the market, is that going to be how the whole - we're not betting the future of the company on the subscription service. It's - but we think again, it's an important piece of what we're doing and it's an important piece of building.

We talk about, in the hotel business sometimes, of shrinking the size of the hotel by taking a certain number of rooms and we devote them to a group of certain nature, and then by doing that, we're able to then sell the other rooms at even more - at a better price, in a way by building in a base of people that's a revenue - recurring revenue stream, that's really helpful.

And then also getting people to start seeing those smaller and those mid-size movies, and even to us, we've seen the surprise. I think the thing we hadn't thought as much about was at the beginning of it was extending the run of movies.

We're seeing that's really been - even some of the bigger films, we're seeing some of the studios say, let's try, we are totally in test mode. But it's seeing the - seeing that seeing that the bigger films later in their runs going into the program is good for them as well.

And so at the end of the day, this has to be something that really is going to be an industry wide idea. It can't be something that's just for us because just for us, it's not going to be enough. I mean, these have to be beneficial to get into the entire theatrical ecosystem.

So we're - but the question is how deep is that market, is it enough to warrant all the things that we're going to do it, but the initial signs are promising, but we'll be back in more calls in the future on how it's going..

Great, thank you..

Thanks, Paul..

Our next question is from Andrew Shapiro from Lawndale Capital Management. Please go ahead..

Hi, thank you.

With your bank agreements somewhat need to be overcome for the stock buyback, let's talk about different avenue of shareholder value creation, and that is the enormous economies of scale that are available through consolidation and acquiring synergistic chains, lot of a private equity owned chains, which are heavily leveraged are not as well positioned as Marcus is in terms of the fact that you have deleveraged very nicely.

Are you seeing opportunities out there or is the Board and management focused on trying to pick up perhaps another accretive acquisition at this time before the recovery deleverages those potential acquisition targets?.

Look, as I said earlier in the call, we are seeing a kind of activity just yet, we are - but we are - our phone line is open for anybody that's interested.

But I don't - as I said, I think people are in a - but because between the government subsidies that were put in place, a lot of these guys were able to really weather this storm okay, and they're able to get by and they're waiting for a period of stability before they do, and I don't think there is a huge amount of pressure in some of the surface that you reference.

I also just would address the point of scale - economies of scale, there are. I don't know that I call them enormous, but there's certainly benefits to do - to acquiring circuits as we see them. But on a way, remember these are local - almost franchise like businesses. The economies of scale come at the national level.

Making a movie needs big national economies of scale where you could advertise across national - the national marketing, the atmosphere..

Well, you don't need the SG&A infrastructure, you don't need a second film buyer, you don't need a second CFO, et cetera, et cetera.

So there is a lot of - those are the costs, I guess, I'm referring to in - it is the fixed cost below the line in the theater market?.

You're absolutely right. I just didn't want to quantify them as enormous. I - but - as I say, better than a poking the eye with a sharp stick, but I just - I want to make sure..

Well, I mean, your relative - yes, because your relative size to Cinemark, there is a big gap between number three and number four. So just there's opportunities, it seems.

And I didn't know if strategic planning wise or focus wise you guys had an eye to wanting to - you had a wave pre-pandemic that you were starting to pick up the pace of accretive growth acquisitions and I didn't know if that was of interest to the family and the management to be looking out for taking advantage of that.

If there are - those circumstances that exist out there coming out of this pandemic where people have decided some family-owned chain, they've had enough and they don't want to continue?.

I think the way to look at, Andrew is to say, look, if you look over the history of our company, we are opportunistic and we are conservative, and those two things will go hand in glove and we will continue to be that way no matter what the business opportunity is. So with that - so yes, we will continue to be that way..

Yes. All right. Well thank you and congrats on over-indexing..

Thank you, Andrew..

At this time, we have no further questions in the queue. So I will hand the call back..

We'd like to thank you once again for joining us today. We look forward to talking to you again in early November, when we release our fiscal third quarter results. Until then thank you and have a good day..

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