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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2016 - Q3
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Executives

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc. Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc. Kathy Willard - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc..

Analysts

David Karnovsky - JPMorgan Securities LLC Benjamin Mogil - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. John Janedis - Jefferies LLC Jason Boisvert Bazinet - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker) Douglas M. Arthur - Huber Research Partners LLC David Joyce - Evercore Group LLC Kyle Evans - Stephens, Inc. Rich R. Tullo - Albert Fried & Co. LLC Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC.

Operator

Good afternoon. My name is Cody, and I will be your conference facilitator today. At this time, I'd like to welcome everyone to the Live Nation Entertainment Third Quarter 2016 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise.

After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer period.

Before we begin, Live Nation has asked me to remind you that this afternoon's call will contain certain forward-looking statements that are subject to risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ, including statements related to the company's anticipated financial performance, business prospects, new developments, and similar matters.

Please refer to Live Nation's SEC filings, including the Risk Factors and cautionary statements, included in the company's most recent filings on Forms 10-K, 10-Q and 8-K for description of risks and uncertainties that could impact the actual results. Live Nation will also refer to some non-GAAP measures on the call.

In accordance with SEC Regulation G, Live Nation has provided a full reconciliation of the most comparable GAAP measure in the earnings release. The release reconciles and other financial or statistical information to be discussed on the call can be found under the Investor Relations tab on investors.livenationentertainment.com.

It is now my pleasure to turn the call over to Michael Rapino, President and Chief Executive Officer of Live Nation Entertainment. Please go ahead, sir..

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to our third quarter 2016 conference call. Live Nation had a record third quarter and 2016 is on track to deliver another year of record results across revenue, AOI, and free cash flow. For the quarter, revenue was up 23%, AOI up 15% at constant currency, and free cash flow up 21%.

Our core divisions of concerts, ticketing, and Advertising, each delivered their strongest quarterly AOI results ever. Our concerts business is our flywheel, attracting 28 million fans to shows globally in the quarter, which drove record results in our ticketing, Advertising and on-site businesses.

Our performance demonstrates how Live Nation has created the most unparalleled live platform, leveraging concert scale to drive growth across the full Live ecosystem.

Our concert and ticketing sales continue to pace well ahead of last year and this give us confidence that 2016 would be another year of record results for Live Nation overall and for each of the core divisions.

Looking at the concerts flywheel in the third quarter, we had 16% more fans attend over 6,000 shows, growing revenue by 27% and AOI by 38% year-on-year at a constant currency. Year-to-date, we have grown our fan base by 16% to 56 million on our way to we expect to be a record-setting 70 million fans attending Live Nation concerts in 2016.

As we have discussed, increasing on-site monetization has been a major focus and year-to-date, we have increased average per spend at our festivals and amphitheaters by 10%, while growing attendance 13% at these events, thereby increasing total on-site spend by $70 million at constant currency.

This high-margin spend has been a key driver of our growth concerts profitability in 2016. We have also benefited from ticket pricing initiatives; notably increasing the price on the most attractive tickets; and as a result, our average ticket price grew by 7% year-to-date.

In our high-end margin Sponsorship business, we have continued to double-digit growth this year with revenue up 13% and AOI up 10% year-to-date at constant currency.

The core of our Sponsorship and advertisement business is the ability to reach those 70 million fans attending Live Nation shows this year, now at a scale greater than the NFL, NBA and NHL combined.

With over 27 million of these fans in the hard to reach 18- to 34-year-old demographic, we provide a unique platform for brands looking to drive engagement and activation. From this base of live fans, we leverage our database profiling nearly 300 million fans to help brands more effectively target potential customers.

And on top of that, we have built our ad platform of streaming live concerts and creating content around our festivals and shows.

So far this year, we have generated 3 billion views across Live Nation sites and platform partners including Snapchat, Facebook and YouTube, growing our ad units and providing brands with an amplified way to reach potential customers.

Our platform is proving particularly attractive to those global brands looking to reach customers at scale, and through the third quarter, the 50-plus brands that spend over $1 million a year with us have increased their collective spend by 19% to over $225 million, which now account for 75% of our Sponsorship revenue.

As a result, our contracted net revenue for the year is up 12% through October and over 95% of our planned Sponsorship under contract for the year. Given this, we are confidently we will again deliver double-digit AOI growth in our Sponsorship and Advertising business in 2016.

Ticketmaster continues building its position as a global ticketing market leader with 14% growth year-to-date in global GTV to $19 billion on our way to over $27 billion for the year. Ticketmaster provides 480 million tickets to fans across 28 countries, making it by far the largest such marketplace.

This has driven a 14% (sic) [12%] increase in ticketing revenue through the third quarter and a 9% increase in ticketing AOI. Investments in delivering an efficient mobile purchase process continue to improve the fan experience and year-to-date app installs are up 44% to nearly 30 million and mobile ticket sales up 38% to 27% of all ticket purchases.

Similarly, our integrated secondary and primary ticketing output continues to benefit fans allowing them to see their options in one location, driving secondary GTV up 33% year-to-date to over $1 billion. With this success in selling tickets, Ticketmaster continues to attack new clients worldwide.

This quarter we added 170 clients to our base of over 12,000, setting us up for the seventh consecutive year of growing ticket inventory. Going forward, we see attractive growth potential ticketing as we continue creating a new ticketing products, increasing conversion and expanding our reach with APIs through our third-party distributor commerce.

In summary, we continue to rapidly grow our concert fan base, which is demonstrating the effectiveness of our flywheel, driving double-digit growth in Sponsorship, ticketing, and onsite.

And as we look forward, we see tremendous opportunities to continue global consolidation of our concert business with further growth in onsite Advertising and ticketing. With that, I will turn the call over to Joe to take you through the additional details on the division performance..

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

live streaming, editorial content and other music related video as we've broadened our distribution channels to now include Snapchat, Facebook, NextVR, and Netflix. Finally, Ticketmaster. For the quarter, Ticketmaster revenue was up 8% and AOI up 4% at constant currency.

Primary, ticketing, fee-bearing GTV was up 10% for the quarter and is up 15% year-to-date at constant currency. The GTV growth has been driven primarily by our concerts and art segments, each of which is up approximately 20% year-to-date. Secondary ticketing GTV was up 13% for the quarter and is up 33% year-to-date at constant currency.

Similarly, last year Q3 was our lowest growth quarter and we have already seen an acceleration of our growth through October as the NFL, NBA and 2017 concert on sales have kicked in. And with this North America and international GTV each remains up 30% or more through October.

More broadly, the Ticketmaster platform has never been more effective at selling tickets for our clients. September was one of our top 10 GTV months ever, and five of our top 10 GTV months in our history have taken place this year.

At the same time, we continue building the effectiveness of Ticketmaster as a sales partner for content by leveraging the customer base and traffic of distribution partners, including Facebook, Groupon and Bandsintown.

We have more than doubled the volume of tickets sold in the quarter via our API, and year-to-date our channel partners have driven 34% more in ticket sales than this point last year to over 8 million tickets.

With our expected on sales for 2017 concerts in the fourth quarter and it being our largest quarter for secondary, we expect to deliver double-digit GTV growth and high single-digit AOI growth for the full-year in ticketing, both at constant currency.

In summary, we're confident that 2016 will be another year of record top-line and bottom-line results overall and for each of our core businesses. We also expect to continue growing our free cash flow, enabling us to continue investing in these businesses for ongoing growth.

On FX, Q3 revenue and AOI were impacted by about 1% with a British pound turning sharply negative while other currencies were generally flat to slightly positive. In terms of seasonality, we expect Q4 as the percent of full-year AOI to be in the same general range it was in from 2011 to 2014.

And looking at our earliest leading indicator for 2017, the number of booked stadium, arena and amphitheater shows were up double digit from this point last year pointing to continued success of our flywheel business model headed into 2017. I'll now turn the call over to Kathy to go through more on our financial results..

Kathy Willard - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Thanks, Joe, and good afternoon, everyone. I will start with our results for the third quarter. Revenue increased by 21% to $3.17 billion, and AOI was 14% higher than last year at $303 million. On a constant currency basis, revenue improved 23% to $3.22 billion, and AOI was $304 million, up 15% over last year.

Free cash flow was $251 million for the quarter, an increase of 21% over the third quarter of 2015. As we entered the fourth quarter, our concerts deferred revenue for tickets sold for events in the future was $417 million as compared to $441 million in September last year.

The majority of our revenue growth in the third quarter was driven by a 25% increase in concerts with a significant increase in stadium activity globally along with increased show count in both amphitheater and arenas shows in North America. Ticketing revenue was up 7% over last year with higher volume in both our primary and resale businesses.

The growth in our concerts business also largely drove the 14% increase in AOI over last year. Operating income in the third quarter was $191 million, 25% higher than last year and net income for the quarter was $111 million, up 25% over the third quarter of 2015, both driven by the increase in AOI. Moving on to the results for the first nine months.

Revenue was $6.56 billion, an increase of 19%, and AOI was up 17% to $557 million. On a constant currency basis, revenue improved by 21% to $6.65 billion,; and AOI was $562 million, an increase of 18%. Free cash was $373 million, 15% higher than last year.

The majority of our revenue growth for the nine months was again driven by the concerts segment, which was up 23%, primarily from the increased activity across stadiums, arenas, and amphitheaters. Ticketing revenue for the nine months increased 12% with higher primary and resale volume.

And Sponsorship & Advertising revenue was up 11% from new clients and renewals of existing partnerships.

During the third quarter, as Joe mentioned, we recorded a bad debt reserve of $6 million related to a Sponsorship client going out of business, which reduced the year-over-year AOI growth for the nine months in the Sponsorship & Advertising segment by 3%.

The 17% growth in AOI for the first nine months was primarily from the higher concerts activity and ticketing volume. All of our segments delivered growth in AOI during the period. Operating income was $232 million, an increase of 35% over last year, driven by the increase in AOI.

Net income for the first nine months was $104 million, more than double the net income for the same period in 2015. This increase is largely driven by our higher AOI along with a net $14 million reduction in non-cash expenses related to foreign exchange impacts on certain balance sheet accounts and other write-offs as compared to last year.

For the full year, we estimate that we will record approximately $50 million related to the accretion of redeemable non-controlling interest from certain acquisition related put/call arrangements, which impacts the calculation of earnings per share.

And finally, we expect the amortization of non-recoupable ticketing contract advances for 2016 to be in line with the total amount in 2015. Moving to our balance sheet.

As of September 30, we had total cash of $1 billion, which includes $547 million in ticketing client cash and $314 million in net concert event-related cash leaving a free cash balance of $179 million. Cash flow provided by operations was $120 million in the first nine months compared to a use of cash of $15 million in the same period of 2015.

This increase was largely driven by higher operating results along with an improvement in net working capital. Free cash flow was $373 million in the nine-months period as compared to $325 million last year driven by our higher AOI, net of increases in maintenance CapEx and partner distribution.

For full-year 2016, we currently expect our free cash flow as a percentage of AOI to be similar to what it was in 2015. For the nine months, total capital expenditures were $121 million with approximately half of that for revenue generating items.

We currently expect total capital expenditures for the 2016 full-year to be approximately $180 million to $185 million with about 50% of that to be spent on revenue generating CapEx. As of September 30, our total debt was $2 billion and our weighted average cost of debt was 4.3%.

In October, we refinanced our senior secured credit facility and 7% senior notes in order to take advantage of more favorable interest rates and terms. We issued $575 million, a 4.875% senior notes due in 2024 along with the new $190 million term loan A and a $975 million term loan B.

The interest rate on our term loan B improved from LIBOR plus 2.75% per year with a LIBOR floor of 0.75% to LIBOR plus 2.5% with no floor.

As to repayment of our existing senior secured credit facility and the 7% senior notes, along with related redemption premiums interest and fees, we added approximately $257 million of cash to our balance sheet for future investment in our business.

We also increased our revolving line of credit from $335 million to $365 million, which remains undrawn. As a result, our annual cash interest expense will be reduced initially by approximately $2 million and our weighted average cost of debt will decrease from 4.3% to 3.8%.

We will record a loss on extinguishment for this refinancing in the fourth quarter of 2016, which we currently estimate to be between $14 million and $17 million. Thank you for joining us today. And we will now open the call for questions.

Operator?.

Operator

Thank you. And we'll take our first question from David Karnovsky with JPMorgan..

David Karnovsky - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Two questions, first, on ancillary revenue. You're now largely through two seasons with Legends as your concession partner at some your North America amps.

Can you give a sense for how far along you think you are driving higher net revenue per fan? And how much opportunity remains at the amphitheaters than maybe at some of your other venue types? And then secondly, your release mentioned that you've been able to increase prices for best seats at your concerts.

In the past you mentioned that price in front of the house close in a market should allow you to lower prices for the back of the house, which should in theory increase attendance. Just wondering if this is dynamic you're seeing play out. Thanks..

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

I'll start and Joe can jump in. On the ticketing, I think it's a double strategy.

I think we've kind of stated over the last few years that just generally getting better at dynamically pricing the house, the concert business historically had been a very simplistic pricing model three or four different tiers for the same concert and all the same markets.

So we've been a big advocate over the last few years of pricing the house differently on a Friday night versus a Monday in New York versus Chicago and also adding as many different scaling to the house as you can through the purchase cycle. So we've done it on both sides.

We had great success on the Groupon side and looking at the discounted lower end of the ticketing business and that's driven purchase.

And we think we have the start of a huge opportunity as everyone talks about the VIP secondary $8 billion, all of those facts that are used that they're still a big piece of business that customers and scalpers are accessing through our content.

So we think we have a lot of opportunity on the front end of the house to keep pricing it through VIP, Platinum, P1, so the artist can share in the upside versus the secondary business.

And we think as we also lower and look at discounts and ways to price the bottom end of the house, we've been driving overall growth per show as well as ticket sales per show. So, both of them working as planned and we think the big runway still ahead of us is we know that there is still hundreds of millions of dollars in secondary ticket.

Revenue on top of what we're charging for P1's to date that provides opportunity..

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

And David, this is Joe. On the ancillary, first of all, I mean, we've been very happy with Legends. They've done a great job ramping up and improving the offering to fans at our amphitheaters as we thought I think last year, with them getting their feet wet, making a few improvements.

This year was really making those improvements at scale, experimenting at scale with wine bars, grab and go, craft beers, generally improved offering, and we've shown you the numbers from their doing that. That said, we absolutely believe we're still in the second, third inning of the improvements.

I think we continue to benchmark ourselves against a well-performing ball club, and which extends the (23:22) per caps there in the $30 plus range and you see us in the $20s.

And I think as we continue to improve the offer both for the mass offer, as well as continuing to target the VIP high-end people that want the great experience on the night out, that between those two areas we'll continue to be aggressive in driving the per cap spend over the next few years..

David Karnovsky - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Okay. Thanks a lot..

Operator

Thank you. We'll now move on to our next question from Ben Mogil with Stifel..

Benjamin Mogil - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking my question. So, I've got two of them.

First one, so, Michael, in your prepared remarks, or actually I think in the press release, you talked about some of the extra artists payments that you were able to make to artists this year, sort of tied to the increase in ticket price, and sort of similar to what we hear companies sort of call out how much they're paying their suppliers.

So, maybe you can frame that a little bit more for us, should we sort of assume that the splits that you have with the artists are unchanged, and that this increase is something that you're going to share in as well? Are you sort of trying to give a sense then of from a competitive positioning obviously the more money an artist gets the more likely they are to tour with you? I'm sort of curious around the commentary around the artist extra payments this year?.

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Nothing structural about the comment, nothing new on the splits. We absolutely like to remind the artist and the community that we spend over $3 billion to $4 billion a year paying the artists for their art.

And I think as you've seen a lot of the other battles going on in the business, we've always believed that Live Nation could be an artist-centric, and having the artists aligned to our agenda has helped us grow the overall pie. But first and foremost, you have to pay the artist for his art.

And that comment was just showing you, as we increase our business, the artist is doing well as well as our core business of growing our profitability..

Benjamin Mogil - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

That's great. Thanks, Michael. And then one, I'm not sure for Michael or for Joe. On the ticketing, you certainly had nice growth in the secondary gross transaction value and it looks like kind of year-to-date you're in the same zip code as a StubHub in spite of (25:34) obviously, being significantly larger.

So when you look at the secondary market, are you seeing the market grow and both of you are taking decent share? Maybe you can talk about the market growth as well as the competitive dynamics between the two of you and if there are any other players that you wanted to talk about as well?.

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Yeah. I think absolutely the market continues to grow, but we're taking share. No question. And yes, StubHub is, I think this year, had reasonable growth coming off some issues they had last year.

But our focus is really just our belief that if we give fans a great offer, if we give them a great product, and it all starts with that product, primary and secondary together, leveraging the scale that we have of people coming to Ticketmaster and our ability to reach those fans by direct marketing to them that we will continue to grow and take share regardless of what everybody else does in the market..

Benjamin Mogil - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

That's great. Thanks, Michael. Thanks, Joe..

Operator

Thank you. We'll now move on to our next question from John Janedis with Jefferies..

John Janedis - Jefferies LLC

Thank you.

Joe, your comments around bookings for 2017 were helpful given how strong this year has been to-date, and I guess the potential for next year to slow, so understanding you're not going to guide, is there any reason why bookings would come in significantly earlier for next year relative to this year?.

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

No, I think we're on a similar cycle as we were on last year. We just see a great pipeline of shows next year and wanted to make sure everybody understood that, that we didn't get some view that this year was unusual in the volume of activity that we had, and we're looking to enter next year very strongly..

John Janedis - Jefferies LLC

Okay, that's helpful. Thanks.

And then separately, I guess, given the ongoing currency and macro headlines, can you give us an update on your international M&A pipeline?.

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

I love this, the simplistics of it. Yeah, let us lay it out for you. I think our pipeline on M&A continues to be, whether it's in America or international, we'll continue to look to build our scale in our core business.

And whether it's a promoter in Nashville that can excel our business, a festival in America or in South America, we continue to look at promoters as well as festivals that can excel our inventory and that we can manage and build our flywheel around.

So, we have an ongoing, always an ongoing active list, and we think we can continue to add a lot of bolt-ons that will continue to drive our overall scale at the right return..

John Janedis - Jefferies LLC

Thanks, guys..

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take the next question from Jason Bazinet with Citi..

Jason Boisvert Bazinet - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker)

Thanks. Can I just go back to the per cap spending objectives? I think you guys have laid out this $5 per guest bogey.

When you say you're in the second or third inning now, does that imply the we've sort of booked a $1 of that-ish so far off of that goal?.

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

No, no. Well, again, we've got a lot of fans. So, what we've done is in our amphitheaters and in our festivals, we grew at each of those about $2 per fan this year from the numbers I gave you.

That represents roughly $15 million fans between those buildings that we operate where we have those initiatives with Legends on the amphitheater side and various folks on the festival side. So, I'm just speaking macro general terms. We've tested, we've tested at scale, we've delivered some results.

There is now the opportunity to take to full rollout and scale some of those learnings as well as continue to increase the merchandise you were doing for all fans and a big step still to come in how we're delivering the experience on the VIP high-end..

Jason Boisvert Bazinet - Citigroup Global Markets, Inc. (Broker)

Okay, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question from Doug Arthur with Huber Research..

Douglas M. Arthur - Huber Research Partners LLC

Yeah, couple of questions.

Looking at the margin in the concert business in the third quarter, obviously, that is a number that's moving up a lot, that's been one of your objectives, but the big number this quarter, how much of that is just sort of an extraordinary mix of tours out there this year and how much of it is sustainable? Then I have a follow-up..

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Sure. Well, obviously, we've had a very good season in our amphitheaters, Doug. And along with a lot of the....

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Did you get that, Doug?.

Douglas M. Arthur - Huber Research Partners LLC

I heard it. Yeah, I heard it..

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

I think it was a record actually, but you've got to check those sources..

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

But I'm sorry, joking aside, we talked about the on-site ancillary spend, a lot of that is higher margin spend in terms of how that flow through for us, so nothing extraordinary in terms of the talent or the splits or the payments or anything like that with – on the artist side, really I think you're seeing the pickup is more because of the ancillary growth than anything else..

Douglas M. Arthur - Huber Research Partners LLC

Okay. So that sort of follows into – spills into my second question, which is we've kind of beaten around here a little bit, but your average revenue per attendee in this quarter approached almost $90 on average for all attendees.

How much of that is a function of the mix in the quarter, because you had big stadium action in both Q2 and Q3 as opposed to the ticketing strategies and the ancillary or is it all the above?.

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Well, it's all the above clearly, but you can parse out, we've said it was a couple of dollars per fan on the ancillary.

So, a lot of that is going to be your stadiums and then within the stadiums, the conversation we've been having about really focused on how we price, particularly the front of the house, capture the value to reduce the leakage that goes into the secondary that the artist doesn't benefit from, and that further takes that up; in stadiums, but also that takes place in amphitheatres and arenas..

Douglas M. Arthur - Huber Research Partners LLC

Got it. Okay, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. We'll now move on to David Joyce with Evercore ISI..

David Joyce - Evercore Group LLC

Thank you.

In terms of the better pricing of the house, how much further throughout your footprint are you are able to roll out those strategies and learnings?.

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

I mean, let's leave the theater and clubs separate, but all amphitheater, arena and stadium shows, just given every day that the secondary business is transparent and alive online, is an opportunity for the manager and the promoter and the agent to figure out how to capture more of it.

So I would say all – the thematic overall in every conversation we have about a tour or a show with the manager and an agent is how do we make sure we capture more of the marketplace.

So, I would say that, we've said it over the last couple of years to slower process because of the fragmented business of a lot of managers and a lot of agents and lot of artists, but overall, thematically every artist, most manager and agent show represents a huge upside potential if they price the house to demand.

And we think we have year-after-year, it will grow bit by bit as we increase the Platinum whether its VIP; however, the tool is, but we think most of our shows still have a huge opportunity on the revenue side..

David Joyce - Evercore Group LLC

Thanks.

And on the Sponsorship and Advertising side, granted you called out the British pounds currency impacts, but are there any regions where the sponsors are stepping up some activity or maybe pulling back that we should be thinking of – and...?.

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Yeah, this is Joe. Not at all. I mean, we call it out in particular Sponsorship side, that's the piece that was really hit by the pound when you look at the different divisions and that's just the – where we have a lot of festivals, so where we have a lot of growth in our Sponsorship business. And that's really all there is to it.

Then we're not seeing anything else geographically that would cause us any issues..

David Joyce - Evercore Group LLC

Okay. And then just a final housekeeping question for, Kathy.

You mentioned after your refinancing the $250 million of extra cash on hand, is that incremental to the $179 million of free cash at the end of the quarter?.

Kathy Willard - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Yes, it is because that $179 million is as of September and we completed the refinancing at the end of October..

David Joyce - Evercore Group LLC

Great. Thank you very much..

Operator

Thank you. We'll now move on to our next question from Kyle Evans with Stephens..

Kyle Evans - Stephens, Inc.

Hi, thanks. You've made good progress growing your business with the 50-plus brands who spend over $1 million a year with you and you got 95% visibility on that for the year, what is the average length of those contracts and what kind of visibility do you have going into next year? And I've got a follow-up. Thanks..

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

So, if I split Sponsorship from Advertising, Sponsorship is about two-thirds of our business. The majority of those contracts are multi-year, anywhere from two to four years probably on average. And on the online Advertising side it tends to be shorter lead frame, generally within the year.

So, across all that you'd expect to enter – by the time you're somewhere in the Q1, you have north of 50% of your revenue booked for the year..

Kyle Evans - Stephens, Inc.

Okay, thanks. And my follow-up is if you have started telling the fraud free integrated primary, secondary ticketing story to consumers, I have missed it. It sounds very compelling. When do you expect to push that out and get after StubHub? Thanks..

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Was it fraud-free? I missed the....

Kyle Evans - Stephens, Inc.

Well, I guess what I'm saying is you have a unique, because you're on the barcode, you have a better chance that nothing is fraud-free, right?.

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Right..

Kyle Evans - Stephens, Inc.

But you have a pretty compelling value proposition to make relative to StubHub on the integrated, and because you can do a better job on the fraud front. I don't feel like you have told that story to consumers yet.

First off, am I right? Second off, when will you do that?.

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Yeah. What I would say is we have not said it in – using TV commercials, broad media approach. I think if you look on sites or you look in some of the e-mail communication we do, absolutely it's been communicated.

Clearly, we work with all of our clients and figure out for their fan base is, particularly on the season side what's the right way to communicate with the season ticket holders around where and how they should be selling their tickets. And I think that's going to be more of an organic ramp-up in terms of how we do that.

We're not planning on doing it using TV commercials..

Kyle Evans - Stephens, Inc.

Okay. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. We'll now take our next question from Rich Tullo with Albert Fried..

Rich R. Tullo - Albert Fried & Co. LLC

Hey, congratulations on a great quarter and thank you for taking my question.

As I look at concert numbers, international was down a bit by roughly – are you with me? Hello?.

Unknown Speaker

Yeah, yeah..

Rich R. Tullo - Albert Fried & Co. LLC

Okay. International's down a bit by something like 200 events year-on-year, but attendance is up nicely.

So can you explain what's going on there? And are you rationalizing international and positioning for better growth?.

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

No, no rationalizing. We're growing the business, whether we have some – 200 shows would have most likely be at the lower end club theater style that aren't overly relevant to the revenue, but as far as our core arena business, stadium business over there and bigger theaters continue a aggressive growth mandate as what we've been doing there.

And we had a very good year in 2016 growing overall attendance and at our key festivals..

Rich R. Tullo - Albert Fried & Co. LLC

Yeah, thanks for that..

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Hey, Rich, this is Joe. Just again, to repeat the facts as I gave it is, year-to-date through three quarters international fan attendance is up 20% year-on-year, and we've had growth in all building types in terms of fan attendance..

Rich R. Tullo - Albert Fried & Co. LLC

Okay.

On the ancillaries, how much of that $2 incremental is due to VIP versus merchant services at the lower tier?.

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

It would be mostly – most of our business is food and beverage, is where we're going to grow most of our business. And quite honestly, most of it is wet because experientially at a concert one likes to have a beer and other.

So, our business and where we focus mostly on is our food and beverage, is where the $2 is mostly coming from and where we think we still have a huge opportunity ahead of us..

Rich R. Tullo - Albert Fried & Co. LLC

Thank you very much. Appreciate it..

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Thanks..

Operator

Thank you. And we'll now take our final question from Brandon Ross with BTIG Financial Services..

Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC

Hi, guys, thanks for taking the question. A couple of questions on ticketing. First, a few weeks back, the SportsBusiness Journal reported that the NFL owners had agreed not to extend their primary ticketing deals past 2017 as they look at new ticketing models for their teams. I think the NFL Ticket Exchange deal is also up at the end of 2017.

Are you guys involved in the creation of this new ticketing model? And if not, are you worried the NFL could create their own ticketing company like Major League Baseball did? And then on secondary ticketing, it seems that you meaningfully decelerated in secondary growth in the quarter.

I know you said that we'll see a reacceleration in the next quarter, but was there a reason for the deceleration? With more domestic concerts in the quarter, we thought there might be a further acceleration due to primary, secondary integration. And then I have one on the media business after..

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

So Brandon, on the NFL, we're very aligned to their process. It's very typical that the leagues, when they're making these decisions, kind of try to rally all of the owners and have a step back, so we're involved.

We ticket most of the football stadiums as well as we head a corporate NFL deal on secondary, and we're involved in the process and we will evaluate at the end as we look forward – as the process gets underway, what's best for us and them. But right now we continue to have great conversations and we fill a lot of their stadiums.

So I think we'll look at that and we'll know further sometime next year. On the secondary....

Joe Berchtold - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Yeah, yeah, on the secondary, so again just to be clear, Brandon, I didn't just say we'll generally improve in Q4. What I said is, October had an acceleration from Q3. So it's not to come, it actually is what's happened over the past month.

Part of what exists for us is if you remember our deals, as you just said with the NFL, with the NBA, and then we tend to have high performance really driven at the concert on sale in the first week of the on sales drives a lot of that integrated secondary activity.

And you'll see the 2017 concert on sales much more in Q4 than Q3, so we just have a natural period of much greater activity which will leverage all the fans coming to the Ticketmaster site in Q4 than we had in Q3..

Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC

Great. And then just on the media business, especially video. To date you've made smaller investments seemingly to extend your Sponsorship & Advertising business and have mostly used third-party platforms.

Do you think there is an opportunity to build a larger media business for you guys with new revenue streams, and do you foresee a continuation of a distributed video strategy or could we see more in the own platform in the future, such as the Live Nation app? Thanks..

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Yeah.

Brandon, as we've discussed, we think as most people are going through our – that content isn't core to their DNA, publishing to the eyeballs right now is kind of the risk-free version, so we like taking our festivals and our content and publishing them on and selling them through the published arms, whether it's our Snapchat deal with our festivals or selling our Justin Timberlake concert movie to Netflix or the show we sold to HBO on one of our concerts or Facebook Live.

So, we think our core business is to take our 26,000 shows, create a great opportunity for advertisers to access 70 million fans onsite, and anyway we can amplify those shows and add more ad units to our portfolio, we think the best model right now is to put those festivals on a Snapchat medium and drive advertising and incremental advertising that way.

We always double up and we air our content on LM.com in our app, but like most people are looking to our core is our concerts and the publishing path for us is the way that we can get much better eyeballs and more drive add units right now for our current ad users.

If there was a great platform with scale, great, but I don't think you'll see use our balance sheet to try to create an access TV or a concert TV or spend a fortune trying to be destination driven.

I think our job is, we're going to make most of our money on 26,000 shows and 70 million people showing up, selling advertisers who want to be part of the onsite and then amplifying onsite through the great publishing strategy where we can also monetize it without having to build the pipe..

Brandon Ross - BTIG LLC

Got it. Thank you very much..

Operator

Thank you, everyone, and this concludes the Live Nation Entertainment third quarter 2016 earnings call. You may now disconnect..

Michael Rapino - Live Nation Entertainment, Inc.

Thank you..

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