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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2021 - Q2
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Operator

Good morning. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the John Lang LaSalle, Inc. Second Quarter Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. I would now like to turn the conference over to Chris Stent, Executive Managing Director of Investor Relations. Please go ahead..

Chris Stent

Thank you, and good morning. Welcome to our Second Quarter 2021 Conference Call for Jones Lang LaSalle, Inc. Earlier this morning, we issued our earnings release, which is available on the Investor Relations section of our website, along with the slide presentation intended to supplement our prepared remarks. Please visit ir.jll.com.

During the call, we will reference certain non-GAAP financial measures, which we believe provide useful information for investors. We include reconciliations of non-GAAP financial measures to GAAP in our earnings release and presentation. As a reminder, today's call is being webcast live and recorded.

A transcript of this conference call will also be posted on our website. Any statements made about future results and performance, plans, expectations and objectives are forward-looking statements.

Actual results and performance may differ from those forward-looking statements as a result of factors discussed in the annual report on Form 10-K of the fiscal year ended December 31, 2020, and in other reports filed with the SEC. The company disclaims any undertaking to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements.

I will now turn the call over to Christian Ulbrich, our President and Chief Executive Officer, for opening remarks..

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Chris. Hello, and welcome to all of you joining us for our second quarter earnings call. Our exceptional performance this quarter, amongst the broader market recovery, demonstrates the strengths of our global platform, resilient business model and continued operational and strategic execution of our long-term plan.

Further, we continue to advance our sustainability agenda and development of our related market-leading product capability. Our most recent responsible real estate survey reaffirm that reducing the environmental impact is a key priority across the industry for both real estate occupiers and investors.

We take pride in our 2020 JLL Global Sustainability Report, which highlights our latest initiatives including our commitment to net 0 carbon emissions by 2040 across all areas of operation, including client sites management globally as well as our need to be fully equipped to help clients in their own journey.

We changed the name of our Corporate Solutions Group to Work Dynamics to more clearly reflect that our technology-enabled and wide-ranging services help our clients enhance the productivity of their people as employees are increasingly empowered to make the decisions on how and where they work.

Our suite of solutions also benefits the performance of their portfolios and help them realize their sustainability and broader ESG goals. I'd like to express my gratitude for our employees who continue to work diligently and provide outstanding service to our clients and community.

The pace of activity increased sharply throughout the first half of the year, leaving many of our teams over extended. The tireless efforts and its ongoing challenges and uncertainties embody the strong culture of teamwork and collaboration at JLL.

Let me briefly touch on the future of office, subject being closely analyzed by our best-in-class research team. While the actual long-lasting effects of the pandemic remain unclear, there are a couple of key points I would like to highlight. The first is that the office will remain the center of the work ecosystem.

We believe that the pandemic has reinforced the important role that the office can play in fostering and cultivating each company's unique culture and innovation.

The second point is that employees are increasingly expecting, if not demanding, additional flexibility and the ability to choose where and how they work, leading to the doable presence of hybrid work. These demands have also been coupled with health, wellness and safety becoming top of mind for employees.

As a result, employers are now increasingly evaluating holistic approaches to address these demands, which often require considerable investment into existing and new office space.

We imagine workspaces which serve to not only attract and retain employees but also enhance their sense of safety and well-being are becoming a new currency in the war for talent. This leads me to conclude that the initial net impact on future space demand and footprints for investment-grade office buildings will be relatively minor.

We believe that the combination of growth from job creation, dedensification and the addition of collaboration space will broadly offset any anticipated reductions in workspace as companies continue to embrace hybrid work models.

Furthermore, we believe that given the world-class capabilities of our project management business, we are well positioned to benefit from accelerated demand for these services as we assist our clients as they embark upon these transformations.

The increasing complexity required to create these global integrated workplace transformation will in turn demand more technology across not only the operations of the building but the entire ecosystem.

We are encouraged that our significant investment in technology and our desire to provide client access to leading-edge technology results in a significant competitive advantage. The power of data leading to better decision-making will allow JLL to be in the center of this ecosystem.

We continue to work diligently with our clients as a strategic adviser as they transition to the new post-pandemic normal and assist in the development of hybrid work models centered around employee satisfaction and productivity. Turning to the market environment. Transaction activity saw sharp recoveries across the world.

JLL's research reports that the tentative signs of improvement in global office leasing activity witnessed in the first quarter have solidified and continued throughout the second quarter. Quarterly global leasing volumes were 44% higher than a year ago. However, they are still 36% below Q2 2019.

Across all the 3 regions, quarterly leasing volumes are below where they were in 2019 with the U.S., the hardest hit at a 44% decline, while Europe and Asia Pacific recorded declines of 32% and 21%, respectively. Our tenant pricing conditions persist in most markets. We are seeing a noticeable stabilization and headline rates.

The recovery across capital markets broadened in the second quarter with global transaction volumes marking a 103% increase on the trough a year ago and a 2% increase from Q2 2019.

Each region posted significant year-on-year gains in transaction volumes with activity is particularly robust in markets with sectorial diversity and opportunities of scale. Allocations to the real estate sector are strengthening as lender diversity and risk appetite trend towards pre-pandemic normalcy.

Assuming no major setback in the global fight against COVID-19, the positive trends recorded in the second quarter are anticipated to carry on in the second half, fueling continued recovery across the commercial real estate industry and global macro economy. For that backdrop, I'm pleased to turn the attention toward our second quarter performance.

Our exceptional results reflect the continued momentum across our business that we have witnessed since the depths of the pandemic. We delivered excellent second quarter top and bottom-line performance, standard operating margins and continue to execute on our long-term strategy.

Consolidated revenue rose 18% to $4.5 billion and fee revenue increased 41% to $1.8 billion in local currency.

Adjusted EBITDA of $332 million represented an increase of over 200% from the prior year, with adjusted EBITDA margin increasing to 18.5% from 8.3% in local currency, driven by the significant recovery of our transaction-based service lines, cost mitigation actions taken in 2020, realization of growth initiatives and select discrete items.

Adjusted net income totaled $220.1 million for the quarter and adjusted diluted earnings per share totaled $4.20. Our transaction-based service lines recorded significant growth across all 3 regions.

Leasing benefited from strong demand in the industrial and life sciences sector while industrial and multifamily debt origination were key drivers for Capital Markets outperformance.

We recently passed the 2-year anniversary of our acquisition of HFF and are pleased that the acquisition has delivered on both our strategic and financial ambitions despite the pandemic. All of the key secular trends driving growth in our industry is increasing capital flows to real estate.

The addition of the HFF platform with its market-leading position in the U.S. allows us to not only become a top 2 player in the U.S. capital markets business but also cements the strengths of our global platform to forge greater ties with the world's largest investors.

I also would like to provide an update on the financial synergies we projected when the HFF acquisition transaction was announced in 2019. A year ago, we achieved our first 12-month synergy target of $28 million despite unforeseen pandemic headwinds.

Having just passed the 2-year anniversary of the acquisition, I'm pleased to say that we have achieved our target $50 million of synergies on a run rate basis, which we had originally predicted within a 2- to 3-year time frame.

The strong recovery in our transaction-based service lines were complemented by solid growth in our property and facility management and advisory consulting and other businesses. The resilience of these service lines continues to benefit JLL throughout the course of this pandemic, and we are encouraged by the overall trends supporting their growth.

Over the course of the quarter, we continue to invest to drive future growth, focusing on investments that strengthen and differentiate our market leadership, positioning JLL for long-term growth.

For example, we announced the launch of sustainable operations for now the real estate industry's only end-to-end sustainability product offering developed to help companies configure, launch and manage portfolio-wide sustainability programs.

During the quarter, we invested approximately $84 million in JLL Technologies investments, bringing the year-to-date amount to $109 million. The continued investment through our JLL Technologies business furthers our strategic objectives to be an industry leader in technology innovation.

We also have resumed share repurchases returning approximately $100 million to shareholders through July. Looking ahead, given the strong momentum in the business, successful integration of HFF and increased visibility into a post-COVID future, we're increasing our 2021 adjusted EBITDA margin target to 16% to 19%, up from 14% to 16% previously.

I will now turn the call over to Karen Brennan, who will provide further detail on the results for the quarter and our outlook for the rest of the year..

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

one, investments in early-stage prop-tech companies that are transforming the real estate industry; and two, investments in technology companies that accompany strategic partnerships to drive revenue growth, such as our investment in rootstock earlier this year.

Overall, we have not completed any significant M&A year-to-date, but are constantly reviewing potential opportunities, holding to our underwriting standards and return thresholds comfortably above our cost of capital. Importantly, we are committed to returning capital to shareholders while also investing in our business.

Through the end of July, we repurchased $100 million of stock year-to-date and have $500 million remaining on our authorization. The repurchases to date are roughly equivalent to full year 2020 and more than double the annual dividends distributed in the years preceding 2020.

The level of capital return to shareholders in any particular year will be dependent on a variety of factors, including debt levels, investment opportunities and return expectations, amongst others.

As we move through the balance of 2021 and next year, we will evaluate the use of capital in the context of the current and anticipated opportunities and the broader economic environment.

We will continue to focus on maintaining flexibility to invest for growth, both organic and inorganic, while maintaining our investment-grade balance sheet and returning cash to shareholders.

Looking ahead to the second half of 2021, the market environment is quite dynamic, and we are mindful of tightening labor markets globally and an uneven recovery across markets and business lines.

Our improving underlying business fundamentals, strengthening pipelines, global diversified platform and added visibility on the macroeconomic recovery give us confidence that the momentum in the first half of the year is likely to continue.

As Christian mentioned, we are now targeting to operate within an adjusted EBITDA margin range of 16% to 19% for the full year 2021.

This is due to the strong momentum in the business and increased visibility into a post-COVID operating environment as well as the number of steps we've taken to strengthen our business and operate more efficiently over the past several years, including the successful integration of HFF and the cost reduction actions in 2020.

We do expect our cost base to increase in the second half of this year as we continue to invest in our strategic priorities and growth initiatives across business lines, such as our technology capabilities and people, which will drive long-term value.

While we maintain strong cost discipline, we continue to expect certain variable costs, such as T&E to gradually return. I also reiterate the first half of 2021 included $89 million of equity earnings and $14 million of loan loss reserve releases.

Considering these factors, our earnings mix between the first half and the second half of the year will be different versus prior years, and that we will still expect the majority of our earnings to be generated in the second half of the year, but not to the same extent as in prior years.

We will target to run the company in the near term within the adjusted EBITDA margin range of 16% to 19%, and we will be undertaking a holistic analysis of our long-term financial targets, and we'll have more to share with you next year on this topic.

In closing, I would like to thank my JLL colleagues for their outstanding efforts and collaboration to deliver best-in-class service to our clients, which is clearly reflected in our financial results. Christian, back to you..

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, Karen. While we continue to remain confident in our expectations of continued recovery as vaccine availability provides a line of sight to a post-pandemic future, we are mindful of the hurdles that could hamper a complete macroeconomic recovery.

Consumer and business confidence have seen a sharp recovery though uncertainty lingers regarding a return to pre-pandemic norms for behavior patterns. Further, while inflation continues to be considered transitory for 2021, concerns about an extended inflationary environment, makes the earlier monetary policy tightening cycle.

In closing, the recovering growth outlook, the global scale of our platform, the increased value of our technology investments and continued assets from our outstanding colleagues around the world fuel our confidence in JLL's ongoing strong performance. Operator, please explain the Q&A process..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Your first question comes from Stephen Sheldon of William Blair..

Stephen Sheldon

Congrats on the results. We're now two years out from the close of the HFF acquisition. And it seems like most of that time, your Capital Markets teams have either probably been focused on integration or dealing with the pandemic. And I know at the time, as announced, there were questions about the valuation paid.

But just Christian, if you think about that acquisition now, how meaningful was HFF in contributing to a quarter like this? And does it seem like this is the first quarter where the earnings power of that acquisition may be starting to show?.

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, we have been very happy with that acquisition right from the start, from a strategic point of view. We have a super strong capital markets business in EMEA and in Asia Pacific for a long time, and we were slightly lagging behind in the U.S. As you know that a lot of the U.S.

players have become very dominant globally, it was very important for us to get to a similar strong Capital Markets business in the U.S. and be able to help those clients also to go to the other two regions of the world. And so we had a very strong quarter this year -- the last quarter.

The interregional transactions were still relatively small compared to previous years, the volume was low because travel is obviously not where it was supposed to be before, where we hope it will be soon again. And so the full strength of that combination is still to come.

And so what we have seen so far it's great, but we are very, very positive for the outlook of that business..

Stephen Sheldon

Got it. That's helpful.

And it sounds like you're planning to hire an added capacity, but curious to think about the last year, what you've seen in terms of growing your producer headcount in Capital Markets and Leasing? And has that been a meaningful contributor to overall growth, especially this quarter? Or is the growth there been more about increased productivity per producer in the transactional business lines?.

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, it has been actually an increased productivity per producer. The labor market is relatively difficult. We have had some recent successes that is very recent in hiring more teams in.

So there's more to come, but we are incredibly pleased how we were able to increase productivity per producer, not least to our investment into technology, but also the outstanding work of all our colleagues..

Stephen Sheldon

Got it. And then one more, if I could. Just wanted to ask about on the JLL Technology side.

As you continue investing there, are there certain categories of solutions that seem like they could get much more meaningful adoption with property owners and tenants across the office, real estate ecosystem over the next 3 to 5 years? And I'm thinking about areas like smart access, tenant experience solutions, things like I think JLL Jet, your investment in H2? Just curious for any thoughts there..

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes. I mean, first of all, the most meaningful area is everything which helps to collect data on buildings and how people are actually using the buildings. That really drives value to our clients. And so any kind of product which helps us on that end is super key for our clients.

But the whole area of using technology within buildings and in the broader real estate sector, I would still say, it's still relatively at the beginning.

There is so much potential to use technology to make buildings more efficient, make the employees more productive when they operate in those buildings and drive better returns for owners of buildings. It is massive. And we feel that we have built a really strong business around that and great knowledge within our JLL Technologies team.

So this is a key pillar for JLL going forward..

Operator

Your next question comes from Anthony Paolone of JPMorgan..

Anthony Paolone

My first question relates to the 16% to 19% margin range.

Should we think of that as being the new 14% to 16% that you all had laid out a few years back? Or is this something we should think of as just a 2021 number?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes, the 16% to 19% is really a near-term target. So we think about that for this year and next year. And as I mentioned, we're undertaking a broader view of our longer-term targets, and we'll be back to you next year on that..

Anthony Paolone

Okay.

Is there any way to put any additional brackets around just the pickup in hiring and some of the variable costs that may come back as we think about incremental margins in the second half of the year and perhaps into next?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes. There's obviously a lot of variables to consider as you think about what's going on in our expense base. Maybe we start with some of the items we've talked about historically as it relates to the permanent savings and the nonpermanent savings from actions we took last year and then moved other variables.

So on the permanent savings side, we had $135 million that came through. 80% of that has been reflected in the current run rate through the end of the second quarter. And then on the nonpermanent savings, excluding government subsidies, about 40% of those have returned, that gives you a sense of kind of what's left to go.

As it relates to the other comments around hiring, there's a lot of variables to consider that we are considering in our planning, the business mix geography, the fixed versus variable, the hiring pace, and so I'm not going to be giving specific commentary on that because it remains a dynamic environment, but we will be running our business within that target.

We're targeting to run our business within that range..

Anthony Paolone

Okay. Got it. And then just last one from me.

In the mobile engineering business, any way to quantify what the EBITDA pickup would be either quarterly or on an annual basis if you were just at a normal level of mobility, I guess?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes, we're not going to provide that level of detail right now with relates to that business. We're going to continue to monitor the trajectory there based on reopening and return to work, but that's a fairly specific plan..

Anthony Paolone

But would it be profitable? Or is it just a drag of business right now?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes. I mean, I think you're getting to your question is really around profitability on EMEA, overall. And you saw what happened there this quarter was largely a result of the transactional businesses recovering and pulling through in our margins. So that's really the driver as you think about EMEA margins..

Operator

Next question comes from Jade Rahmani of KBW..

Jade Rahmani

Looking at historical seasonality, it seems that generally third quarter fee rose by around 6% to 7% on a quarter-over-quarter basis and fourth quarter fee revenue grows by around 25% on a quarter-over-quarter basis.

Just looking at the strength of revenues in the second quarter, do you anticipate a moderation in that normal seasonality?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes. I think, first of all, it's a dynamic year. And so just as in 2020, our historical seasonality patterns, as it relates to our top line did not hold in that environment are described in 2021 in the same way. And so as you think about it, we really focused on first half versus second half and really what's the earnings contribution overall.

And as I mentioned, we do expect that the majority of our earnings will still occur in the second half of the year, just not to the same extent as we had experienced in prior years..

Jade Rahmani

Okay.

And that's inclusive of some of the unusual items you mentioned?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes, it is. So if you go through the first half of the year, and you called out the $89 million of equity earnings to date and $14 million of the reversal of the loan loss reserve..

Jade Rahmani

Okay. In terms of the pipelines, you mentioned the office leasing pipeline is strong.

Are you seeing any diminution in that as a result of Delta?.

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Listen, Delta is so incredibly dynamic. I won't forecast around that topic, but we can confirm that up to now, the pipeline is very strong for the second half of the year and we see that around the globe.

And so as much as Delta is disturbing, so far, it hasn't really had a negative impact on our pipeline, but you never know what's happening tomorrow on that topic..

Jade Rahmani

And looking at the overall business mix, is it possible to quantify the exposure to -- or the contribution from various property types such as office, multifamily, hotels, industrial, the way to put ranges around those property sectors?.

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

You mean on the Leasing side? Is that your question?.

Jade Rahmani

Yes. You included capital markets and leasing, how much of the business comes from the Office sector versus the others. CBRE has highlighted Life Sciences and Industrial and strong growth they've seen there, and they've given some ranges for those businesses..

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

That's great what they do. Well, I can assure you that Life Sciences has been a very strong contributor to our Leasing business as well, as well as Industrial has been a very strong contributor. We don't put these 2 sectors together, Leasing and Capital Markets.

Within the Leasing business, we do see Offices tend to be roughly half and then roughly 30% are coming from Industrial and the rest is then a split. And on the Capital Markets front, Industrial is equally very, very strong, tends to be usually around -- let me quickly check that here....

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes, Christian, I can jump in because I have it right here. That's helpful..

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Okay, go ahead. I have it here as well now, 23%, right? Yes, it has been 23% in the second quarter. It has been growing now for some time. And so the Industrial and the Resi sector tend to make up about 50%, slightly more than 50%, and then the remainder goes to the other asset classes..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. And your next question comes from Patrick O'Shaughnessy of Raymond James..

Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Another question on margins, if I could.

What are the key variables that you're thinking through as you're contemplating what your long-term margin outlook might move towards?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes, we're -- there's obviously a lot that goes into that and which is why we really want to be thoughtful about it and run additional analysis before we quote that longer-term number.

Certainly, as you think about top line in the business, it has to do with the overall business mix and geography where we see the greatest growth going forward and where we are -- had strategic objectives to grow in particular markets.

And then the expense side, looking to see how we can continue to run our overall operation in a way that's increasingly efficient and drive performance..

Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Got you. And then a quick clarification question.

When you guys are talking about the near-term margin outlook, are you referring to the back half of this year as well as 2022 or just the back half of this year?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

We're referring to the full year..

Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Okay and not referring to 2022 at all?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Correct -- no, sorry, sorry, I misunderstood your question. I think full year for 2021 and 2022..

Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Okay. Perfect. You guys spoke about wage inflation a little bit.

To what extent is that starting to show up in your property and facilities management businesses? And to the extent that it does show up, are those generally expenses that you're passing through to your clients?.

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

It's a mix. We try to pass the tool to our clients. And in some cases, that is not immediately possible but it is nothing which would create massive concern to us in that area.

It's more a general point to know that the labor markets are very tight at the moment and that turns into pretty significant wage inflation, which is something in any services business to watch.

On the one hand, as we have demonstrated in the second quarter our strong investment on the technology side helps us to drive productivity per employee much higher, but we like to grow our business even further.

And therefore, we have the ambition to hire further talent in and that talent is becoming more expensive than the past?.

Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Got it. And on that last comment, you guys obviously did some headcount reductions last year.

Does the hiring now reflect that maybe you cut too deep last year? Or is this hiring in different areas?.

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, usually it is actually hiring in different areas, but now everything is kind of bouncing quite nicely. So pretty much all of our areas will have going forward more people employed than we had pre-pandemic again, but the skill set is obviously changing. Every person working in our company needs to be quite tech savvy going forward.

And a lot of the kind of more simple execution roles are being taken over by technology. Sales roles are very, very important, and so you have a different skill set, which is needed. So it's not that we are rehiring exactly the same people which we lost during the time of the pandemic..

Patrick O'Shaughnessy

Okay. Appreciate that. And then last question from me. I'm curious about your current thoughts on the strategic merits or value of development services business. Obviously, one of your large competitors continues to make investments in that space and recently did another deal.

Strategically, as you think about your development and project management business, how important is that to the rest of your franchise right now?.

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, I think you're covering here two very different topics. We refer to as our Project & Development Services business that is a service business where we are servicing our clients in -- on the project management side, on the development side.

That business has a brilliant future, has a very, very strong demand, which I alluded to also in my prepared remarks because buildings, in general, and offices in specific are being upgraded very significantly, but also everything around that whole topic of environmental sustainability will drive that business.

The other aspect is that we see services companies moving into the development business as an investor. That is a very different thing which we haven't done in the past and have no current plans going forward on that topic..

Operator

Next, we have a follow-up question from Jade Rahmani of KBW..

Jade Rahmani

Just in response to Patrick's question about margins, I wanted to confirm that the 16% to 19% is for both the full year 2021 and you're also saying for 2022?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Confirmed..

Jade Rahmani

Great.

Secondly, regarding share repurchases, is there a target as a percentage of fee revenue or earnings that you think about over the long term, on an annual basis?.

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

No, there is no target because we are very prudent with regards to our capital allocation, and we constantly value the different opportunities we have in investing into the growth of our business versus buying back our shares or finding other ways to return capital to our shareholders.

And so it depends very much what alternative investments we see versus potentially share buybacks. What we have said in the past is that we see 20% as our long-term percentage for now. And we will constantly revisit that in light of our ability to find other growth areas going forward, but we will not probably low that mark..

Jade Rahmani

And lastly, on the equity income side, I know that you mentioned your patience from LaSalle's incentive fees.

But in the Americas and in the LaSalle business, are you anticipating any significant equity income in the second half of the year?.

Karen Brennan Chief Financial Officer & Member of the Global Executive Board

Yes, we continue -- so those are both portfolios as you think about the LaSalle equity earnings and also the JLL Technology equity earnings. And we do anticipate further benefits from those portfolios and their performance. However, I would say those valuations are out of our control and the timing with which they come through are as well.

So we're not going to provide a specific guidance by quarter as to what those -- we would anticipate those will be..

Operator

At this time, we have no further questions. I will turn it back to the panel for closing remarks..

Christian Ulbrich Chairman of Global Executive Board, President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you, operator. With no further questions, we will close today's call. On behalf of the entire JLL team, we thank you all for participating on the call this morning. Karen and I look forward to speaking with you again following the third quarter..

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. Thank you for participating. You may now disconnect..

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