Zac Nagle - VP of IR Mike Lamach - Chairman & CEO Sue Carter - SVP & CFO.
Andrew Kaplowitz - Citi Nigel Coe - Morgan Stanley Steve Tusa - JP Morgan Rich Kwas - Wells Fargo Securities Julian Mitchell - Credit Suisse Jeff Sprague - Vertical Research Joe Ritchie - Goldman Sachs Andrew Obin - Bank of America Merrill Lynch James Picariello - KeyBanc Capital Markets.
Good morning. My name is Leandra and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to the Ingersoll-Rand Third Quarter 2017 Earnings Call. All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise. After the speakers' remarks, there will be a question-and-answer session.
[Operator Instructions] Thank you. Mr. Zac Nagle, Vice President of Investor Relations, you may begin your conference..
Thanks, operator. Good morning and thank you for joining us for Ingersoll-Rand's Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call. This call is being webcast on the website at, ingersollrand.com, where you'll find the accompanying presentation. We are also recording and archiving this call on our website. Please go to Slide 2.
Statements made in today's call that are not historical facts are considered forward-looking statements and are made pursuant to the Safe Harbor provisions of Federal Securities law. Please see our SEC filings for a description of some of the factors that may cause results to differ materially from our anticipated results.
This presentation also includes non-GAAP measures, which are explained in the financial tables attached to our news release. So participants on this morning’s call are Mike Lamach, Chairman and CEO, and Sue Carter, Senior Vice President and CFO. With that, please go to Slide 3 and I’ll turn the call over to Mike..
Thanks, Zac, and thank you to everyone for joining us today. I’ll start this morning by discussing our focused execution of our strategy, underpins our ability to deliver sustainable high levels of performance overtime.
We also provide comments on how we’re thinking about our business and our end markets broadly, as we close out solid performance in 2017 and move into what we expect to be another strong year in 2018. So, we’ll discuss our third quarter performance in more detail and address some key topics we know that are on minds of investors.
And I’ll then close the brief summary before we take your questions. As I said on prior calls, our overall strategy remains straight forward. We believe our business operating system, people and culture are source of competitive advantage.
For us, our business strategy is grounded and anticipating and addressing global trends that positively impact many of world’s most pressing sustainability challenges. We focus on delivering the most reliable, energy efficient and environmentally friendly products and services in durable growing markets.
In our case, it’s an orientation towards the importance of sustainability which is enabled by digital, another exponential technologies, growing at dramatic rates that are enabling new business models and sources of productivity in the world that will increasing value the conservation of resources.
We excel at delivering energy efficiency and reducing greenhouse gas emissions, reducing food waste, preserving natural resources and generating productivity for our customers. It’s what we do and it’s what we’re known for.
We maintain a healthy level investment in our businesses to sustain leading brands, which are number one or number two in virtually every market in which we participate. Second, we excel at delivering strong top line incremental margins and free cash flow through our business operating system.
Our business operating system is continuously improving and underpins everything that we do. It enables us to consistently generate high levels of free cash flow, which powers our dynamic capital allocation strategy.
One example of our capital allocation strategy is the acquisition we entered into this week that strengthens our telematics portfolio, an important component of our connected technology strategy. Sue will cover this within topics of interest later in our call.
Our year-to-date results continue a strong track record of performance and position us well for a solid finish 2017 and strong momentum going into 2018 Sue will discuss the details of the quarter in a few minutes.
So, I’d like to turn my attention to discussing where we are at this stage in the year and how we’re thinking about key aspects of our business going forward.
Moving to Slide 4, we’re going to follow the format we started last quarter and discuss how 2017 is shaping up relative to our expectations, so you’ll get a feel for how the landscape is evolving.
I’ll touch on some of the areas that may read through to 2018, as we are in the midst of our 2018 planning now, but I want to be clear upfront that will get 2018 guidance with our Q4 earnings call. So I’m not going to go into any specific detail on targets at this time.
I know 2018 is on many investors minds, but it’s important for us to complete our planning process noted provide you with the high quality of discussion on 2018 that we all expect. The key areas that are most important to investors in order to keep the discussion focused, so if we don’t hit something here, we’ll cover it in the Q&A session.
The first point I’ll make is probably the most important. We are on track to deliver against the revenue, adjusted EPS, free cash flow and capital allocation guidance that we set out at the beginning of the year.
We're using all the tools in our business operating system to get there, and given evolving market dynamics, it is a bit different than what we envision when we gave guidance back in January.
I’m proud of the way our team has pulled together in some challenging market conditions to achieve these goals, which should yield strong revenue growth of about 4.5%, 9% EPS growth, and free cash flow of approximately $1.2 billion. In 2017, orders and revenues have been consistently strong. Our end markets on balance have been solid.
The outlook for the market continues to be healthy looking into 2018. Our HVAC businesses are performing well with strong order and margin expansion in 2017. Our transport business is demonstrating the resiliency we expect with the modest decline in revenues and margins despite challenging markets.
Our industrial business is recovering nicely with order growth in margin expansion ahead of our expectations. There are a lot of things working well for us. One area that we’re not satisfied with and we expect to improve on in 2018 is our operating leverage.
Our business model is rooted in our ability to drive margin expansion in low growth environments and we did not make enough progress expanding our incremental margins for the enterprise in 2017.
We were negatively impacted by a few key factors in 2017 including higher than expected and persistent inflation, mix of business as we’ve penetrated underserved commercial HVAC markets most notably in China, which at present carry a lower gross margins in our portfolio average but still are accretive to our EPS.
This business is particularly accretive when you add in the highly profitable service tails from applied equipment sales in the mid-to long-term. The way our bridges and price versus class are compiled, the impact of moving into these newer markets shows up its price although some would probably categorize this as business mix.
Rather than to confuse anybody, we’ve kept the designation in price consistent for all of 2017, but I believe it is worth noting this distinction as it has a pronounced impact in how our price versus cost spread shows up in the bridge.
We’re seeing better than expected success in these markets in China with approximately 20% order growth year-to-date and low 30s order growth in the third quarter.
This is for the increased pressure on climate and enterprise margins as China is experiencing impacts of both negative price and inflation rather than the majority of our businesses are seeing positive price.
We’re in the process of developing our 2018 operating plan and we’re focused on accelerating productivity initiatives to drive higher leverage in 2018 and beyond. Increased focus here will drive more direct controls of the margin expansion irrespective of market conditions.
We also see inflation moderating in 2018, as we begin to lap the inflation we saw throughout 2017, so we should see reduced headwinds here. Similarly on the China market penetration strategy, we begin to lap the lower gross margins for those markets in 2018, so we anticipate the pressure on leverage in the region moderating as well.
Moving through the update, year-to-date our end markets continue to perform well with strong broad-based orders and revenue growth. Our outlook is for end markets to remain healthy to at least 2018. Execution across the business continues to be solid.
The tragic unprecedented natural disasters in the third quarter took a toll on our 750 associates in Puerto Rico, our customers and more broadly on our markets. Our thoughts are with our employees, their families of all lives that are impacted by these terrible tragedies. Financially, these natural disasters had an impact on us in the third quarter.
We estimate that the impact was between $0.04 to $0.05 of EPS, when we take into the account downtime at out Thermo King Puerto Rico manufacturing facility, the disaster release funds we provided to our sister employees, and the three days of lost sales in productivity in two of our large HVAC markets in Florida and Houston.
Slide 6 lays out the main impacted areas and Sue will cover these in more detail in a few minutes. We think we’ll see some recovery in the fourth quarter and in 2018, and likely it will be additional market activities over the next one or three years as building occurs in the effected geographies.
So as laid out earlier, the impact of our strategy to compete in new markets in Asia and the Middle East is driving exceptional growth for us in these markets, but the impact to leverage the price versus cost equation was significant in the quarter.
Again, we see these areas improving as we move into 2018, that’s we lap 2017 inflation and gross margin headwinds. We are also driving aggressive productivity plans for 2018 to expand margins. The next topic is on price versus cost, as we see at this stage in the year.
Things are shaping up fairly consistent with what we expected coming out of the second quarter earnings call, pricing remains positive in both climate and industrial.
The areas that are impacting our price versus cost equation across both climate and at the enterprise level are predominantly emanating from Asia into lesser extent to Middle East, as we previously outlined. With regard to our industrial segment, this segment has been performing well in 2017 and ahead of our expectations.
We’ve seen strong bookings growth and margin expansion in the segment. In the last topic, there is an update on our climate businesses broadly. Commercial HVAC equipment businesses remain strong with high single-digit order growth in Q3. Our commercial pipeline and outlook continues to have healthy markets going forward.
Our Residential and Transport outlooks are also on track with our expectations. Focused execution of our strategy will deliver strong performance overtime and we’re excited about the opportunities that lie ahead in 2018 and beyond. So, hope that this is giving you some important insights into how our outlook has evolved through this point in the year.
And now, I’ll turn it over to Sue, to discuss the third quarter in more detail..
Thank you, Mike. Please go to Slide number 5. I’d like to begin with the summary of main points to take away from today’s call.
As Mike discussed, we drove solid operating and financial results in the third quarter with adjusted earnings per share of $1.44, despite business disruptions from natural disasters in the quarter negatively impacting results by approximately $0.04 to $0.05 per share.
Our adjusted tax rate was 17.7% driven by the timing of the number of tax planning related discrete items that hit in the third quarter that were expected in the second half of 2017. We continue to expect our full year 2017 adjusted tax rate to be approximately 21% or the lower end of our previous range.
Bookings growth was strong with growth in both segments and in every strategic business unit. On the climate side, organic bookings were up mid single-digits in both commercial HVAC and Transport and up low single digits in residential with another quarter of share gains.
We also drove high-teens commercial organic bookings growth in Asia and Europe, Middle East and Africa. Climate organic revenues were also higher, up 3% in the quarter. Our industrial segment continues on the path of steady improvement and is actually performing a bit better than our guidance with strong organic bookings growth of 5% overall.
Compression Technologies had growth across small and medium compressors and particular strength in large compressors. We also drove a 90 basis point improvement in adjusted operating margins on essentially flat revenues. Flat revenues were also better than our expectations given to compares versus Q3 of 2016 as we discussed on our second quarter call.
In January, we laid out our capital allocation priorities for 2017 including spending approximately $430 million on dividends and an additional $1.5 billion on a combination of share buybacks and acquisitions, and we’re on track to achieve those priorities.
We also discussed our objectives to grow our dividend at or above the rate of our earnings growth. In August, we’ve raised our dividend by 12.5% to an annualized rate of $1.80 per share. Year-to-date through October, we’ve spent $1 billion on share buybacks and $318 million in dividends.
We also spent or entered into commitments for approximately $200 million in acquisitions Please go to Slide 6. During the third quarter, we saw positive and negative financial impacts from natural disasters, primarily the hurricanes that hit the Caribbean, Florida and Texas.
We saw increased commercial rental activity and increased part sales in the third quarter, offsetting the positive financial impacts shipments for transport in our Puerto Rico facility, residential and small electric vehicles were also delayed and our businesses were down for several days resulting in low absorption productivity and other additional costs.
We expect to regain some of the deferred business in the fourth quarter and we are currently assessing the potential impacts for 2018. If the recovery from these storms follows past experience, we’d expect to see an overall strengthening in the underlying markets in the impacted overtime whether that a spike of activity in any given month.
Please go on to Slide number 7. The focused execution of our business strategy underpinned by our business operating system enabled us to drive solid year-over-year financial performance. Organic revenue and adjusted earnings per share increased 2%.
Adjusted operating margins declined 40 basis points year-over-year, impacted by the $0.04 to $0.05 earnings per share headwind from natural disasters.
As Mike discussed earlier, our strategy of penetrating very large underserved markets in China in commercial HVAC is resulting in strong bookings growth with China commercial HVAC up low 20% year-to-date and up low 30% in Q3.
In the short term, the negative impact of this growth is approximately 55 basis points of margin contraction at the enterprise level in Q3, although still accretive to our earnings per share year-to-date and it is expected to represent 75% of the negative price cost spread for the full year 2017. Please go to Slide number 8.
As we’ve discussed, organic orders were strong in the third quarter with increased activity in both our Climate and Industrial businesses. Organic Commercial HVAC bookings were up mid single digits. Q3 2017 North America bookings were up low single digits.
Outside of North America Commercial HVAC bookings were broad-based with high-teens growth in EMEA and Asia and mid-teens growth in Latin America. Transport organic bookings were up mid single digits with gains in North America, Latin America and Asia.
Bookings growth span the product portfolio with gains in trailer, truck, bus, aftermarket APU and marine. Industrial organic bookings were up 5% in the quarter with growth to cost all industrial businesses, regionally North America and Asia bookings gains were offset by declines in Latin America and Europe, Middle East and Africa.
Please go to Slide number 9. In our Climate segment, organic revenue was up low single digits in North America, up mid single digits in Europe, and up low teens in Asia. Globally, equipment was up low single digits and aftermarket was up mid single digits.
In our Industrial segment, organic revenue was down 1%, we have large compressor shipments in Q3 of 2016 that did not repeat this year. Regionally, we saw a low single digit growth in North America and Latin America. In our compression technology business, North America was up low single digits in parts and services.
Industrial products were up mid single digits and Club Car had high single digit growth with continued success in on more personnel vehicles. Overall, North America and international revenues were up low single digit, netting a 2% organic growth rate for the enterprise. Please go to Slide number 10.
Q3 adjusted operating margin declined 40 basis points primarily driven by volume, productivity improvements and positive price more than offset by natural disasters as previously discussed and material inflation including the negative impact of price versus cost largely driven by our penetration of underserved markets in China and competitive pricing in the Middle East.
The impact of China and Middle East were greater than we anticipated earlier in the year driven by high volumes and forecast and higher than expected material inflation, which widened the negative price cost spread. Outside of these markets, the price versus cost spread was largely in line with our expectations. Please go to Slide 11.
We covered the main points from this slide on prior slides. Performance in the quarter was strong on bookings in revenues. Excluding the natural disaster impacts in climate, margins would have been roughly flat.
Margin declined largely attributable to our China strategy and the negative price versus cost spread in the Middle East which combined or approximately negative 65 basis points. Please go to Slide 12. We’ve also covered the highlights of this slide on prior slide.
Our industrial business continues to outperform our expectations and deliver strong improvement in bookings and margins un-relatively flat revenues. Our continued focus on improving the fundamental operation of the business is yielding as a result. Please go to Slide 13.
Free cash flow was $408 million for the third quarter driven largely by strong profits. Working capital as a percentage of revenue remains on track to our expectations for 2017. Our guidance for free cash flow remains unchanged at $1.2 billion.
Additionally, our balance sheet continues to strengthen which provide optionality as our markets continue to revolve. Please go to Slide 14. Continued strong cash flows in 2017 is powering our dynamic capital allocation strategy, employing capital where it earns the best returns.
In January, we made out our 2017 capital allocation priorities and they remain unchanged. Our first priority is making high ROI investments in our business to drive productivity and to maintain our product leadership position. The second area is maintaining a strong balance sheet with BBB ratings and healthy optionalities as our markets evolve.
The third quarter areas are commitment to paying a highly competitive reliable dividend that grows at or above the rate of earnings growth overtime. The fourth priority is strategic acquisitions and share repurchases. In January of this year, we committed to spend $1.5 billion between these two areas and we’re on track to achieve these commitments.
Year-to-date, we’ve spent approximately $1 billion on share repurchases and approximately $200 million has been spent or committed to acquisition. By the end of 2017, we expect to have approximately $400 million to $500 million spent or committed for acquisitions.
As we look forward to 2018 and beyond, our overarching strategy and priority remain the same. Please go to Slide 15. For 2017, we’re maintaining our revenue, earnings per share and cash flow guidance. For modeling purposes, we also wanted to provide tax rate guidance which should come in at the lower end of our previous range or approximately 21%.
For the full year, we expect fully diluted share to approximate 258 million based on share repurchases in 2017. Please go to Slide 17. We’ve received positive feedback on the section covering key topics we know of interest to you in our prepared remarks. So, I’ll cover a few of these topics on the next couple of slides.
The first topic is HVAC order growth in the third quarter. Our HVAC markets remain very healthy. In the third quarter, orders were higher in all of our major geographic regions. We had especially strong order growth in overseas markets up by high teens.
North America commercial HVAC continued to see good order growth against difficult comparisons with 2016. Residential HVAC order also improved compared with record activity last year and the business continues its steady market share improvement. Please go to Slide 18. The last topic for today is the acquisition pipeline.
As previously discussed, we’re expecting to close on or have signed agreements on approximately $400 million to $500 million in acquisitions in 2017. We are focused on channel and technology investments that add to our existing core businesses. Most recently, we entered into an agreement a telematics company.
This acquisition will complement our 2015 acquisition of Celtrak and allow us to expand our expertise in telematics in addition to the many services it already provides for our small electric vehicles business today. Now I’d like to turn it over to Mike..
Thank you, Sue. So on closing on Slide 19, we expect to deliver our 2017 plan for revenue growth, adjusted EPS and free cash flow, utilizing our business operating system and building a thriving, more valuable Ingersoll-Rand.
To summarize, our Climate segment remains strong, led by our Commercial and Residential HVAC businesses which have focused on growth areas with equipment, controls and service. Our Transport Refrigeration business is diverse and agile and is executing their strategy and delivering against the high expectations in a challenging market.
Our Industrial business is improving ahead of our expectations for growth and margin expansion. 75% of our negative price versus cost spread in 2017 is expected to come from very strong growth in Asia from merely China. We expect both the inflation and pricing headwind to moderate heading into 2018.
The balance of the markets should see moderating inflation in 2018 as well, as they lap 2017 inflation. Nonetheless, we’re accelerating our 2018 productivity initiatives to drive more directly control over margin expansion irrespective of market conditions.
We’re also on track to achieve the capital allocations priorities we laid out at the beginning of 2017. We expect to deploy roughly $1.9 billion of cash in the form dividends, buyback and acquisitions. We have a tremendous depth of talented people and our culture remains strong as ever.
And taking together, I’m confident that with this formula we'll continue to deliver top tier financial and operating performance. And with that, Su and I will now be happy to take your questions..
[Operator Instructions] And your first question comes from the line of Andrew Kaplowitz with Citi. Your line is open..
Mike, you gave a lot of color on your price versus cost issues and you talked about how most of the issues were emanating from China and the Middle East. I know you don’t want to give detail on 2018, but as you kind of shift the overall company to little more these longer cycle applied HVAC orders especially in international markets.
How difficult do you think it will be to get your arms around price versus cost? And what could you do specifically on these regions where competitions are significant and inflations still reasonably high?.
Andy, I think maybe it’s best for us to start with what is our China strategy historically and how we're evolving. And I think that will answer a lot of questions for you. First of all, China is a country and Asia is a region would have some of the highest operating margin that we have across the HVAC space still today even this quarter.
Historically, we’ve been a Tier 1 and Tier 2 city focus company and largely on applied equipment, and we’ve been very successful there. We’ve penetrated those markets with very high share and often train as a basis of design in many of these projects.
What we’ve done over the last two years and you’re seeing it this year in space as we’ve extended to Tier 3 and Tier 4 cities. We’ve also launched both localized ducted and ductless unitary product nationally.
We’ve penetrated and are penetrating larger infrastructure projects in subways and airports, and the electronic verticals specifically which is applied. And those three things in Tier 3, Tier 4 cities help drive train as a basis of design in those cities as well. It’s been a formula that we follow for years and it’s been very successful for us.
We know that that grow as a large service tail and we know that we grow our margins by leveraging the SG&A and manufacturing base around that. So, to put into context, the strategy has been very successful. We put a PGT in place about two years. We fully localized product portfolio. In unitary duct to ductless, we’ve been there and applied sometime.
We added a 178 selling and marketing people onto the street over the last 12 months. And a 165 of those, we put in just since January. So, the project pipeline we’re seeing in China is up 211%, so just speaks for clearly it’s three times larger than what it would have been last year at the same time around that pipeline.
So year-to-date, we’ve seen bookings growth in unitary, it’s actually been 40% plus. We’ve had mid 20s revenue growth unitary. Unitary is now 25% of the mix that we have in the equipment in China. We’ve also then able to grow the apply business of twice the market margin rate year-to-date and we’re seeing excellence service growth.
So, again, it’s become so successful that it really is -- we classified as price, but we’re growing this accretively to the Company. And long-term is the right and most successful strategy that we know how to conduct. By the way, we would have a similar strategy -- there are nuances to what we will be doing in Europe or Latin America.
But every region of the world, it's got a unique strategy and China has just been very successful for us..
That’s helpful color. And then just shifting gears to the North American Commercial HVAC booking. They were up low single digits against a tough comp as you talk about it.
I think it's going to result compared to last quarter, but can you give us a little more color regarding what you’re seeing in the overall North American HVAC market? It's been slowing like unitary.
When you talk about applied HVAC improving there, do you still see a good runway in applied HVAC so North American Commercial HVAC booking should be up low single digits are better moving forward?.
Yes, I would say first to the starting point, nothing has changed that would make us less bullish in the end markets than we were five years ago when we talked everybody at Analyst Day. Outlook continues to be very positive that we see continued five months ago.
Low single digits to mid single digit growth in North America commercial and that we’re going to drive share gains. Our project pipeline is actually stronger today than it was last year at the same time. We also think inflation in 2018 is fairly consistent with what we expected five months ago.
We think it's going to be much more copper related which is much easier for us to set pricing and costs into the factories about how to price and the cover that as opposed to steel, which is very difficult on the longer lead items. So, we think that would be more manageable for us.
So saying with where we’re five months ago, the CAGR of 4% to 4.5% that was a three year period, 11% to 13% EPS growth over that period would still very much encourage for us. We’re very confident about that what they’ve done in the fourth quarter.
But a lot of that’s underpinned that we’re seeing strength not only in North America but across the globe and you’re seeing that in even Latin America. Sue pointed out, mid teens growth rate in Latin America finally seeing some recovery there.
And don’t forget that’s an important market for us too, that’s a $0.5 billion in revenue in the climate space for us..
Your next question comes from the line of Nigel Coe with Morgan Stanley. Your line is open..
Hey, Mike. I just want to go back and visit the price cost. So, the 55 bps impact from Asia and Middle East you called out, so just give me your comments on China.
Is that more accurately a mix impact as opposed to price cost impact?.
Yes, Nigel, it’s a very specific definition we use and we say that if it's equipment coming out of the factory using, the same machine and assembly processes, that we mark that as price.
But clearly what you’re seeing in Tier 3 and Tier 4 cities is even more discontented product, and you’re seeing that generally those have done some of the local players that have done that market.
So, it is max more than its price, but again for consistency of what we’ve been talking about, we classify on the bridges prices just to keep it sort of straight for everybody at this point in time. But it is something that if you move past China, you look at say res for example.
On the residential North American business, we grew margins considerably, we grew share considerably and we’re managing that. If you go to the balance of the commercial business that’s excluding the Middle East and Asia, but largely covering inflation there, and of course from the industrial side we’re covering inflation there completely.
So, it is really isolated to this penetration we’re seeing in China. Middle East is a bit different. Here you've just this fact that you’ve got the same number of competitors fighting over fewer projects there. And so, you’re going to have a bit more competition there as well..
Okay..
In 2018, I think that we’re clear that we’ve got a moderating steel environment. We’ve got a copper environment that we can lock a good portion with understanding at the beginning of the year. We feel like generally speaking, it’s a more manageable year in terms of the global material inflation, pricing scenario.
And specific to Asia, it’s really a matter of just getting scale on some of these, Tier 3, Tier 4 cities, getting additional service density in these cities. And we know how to grow margins from there. So, again it’s a long-term view towards China. I think we’ve seen improvement in 2018 in China leverage..
Right. Okay. But, if you have to think about maybe just moving away from China because obviously that’s -- it’s kind of good problem to have, if you go into that kind of rates.
But, if you think about North America, Europe, if you think about the pendulum of the competition and pricing, is it becoming more competitive, less competitive about balance? I mean, how would you say that pendulum is shifting?.
Yes, there is nothing structurally different about the competition in these markets. We’ve had high-teens growth before in Europe. We’ve had substantial growth in Europe over the last few years.
It’s really about new product introduction around next generating refrigerants, building out of controls portfolio or wireless portfolio or double-digit growth there, more digital involvements in connecting our businesses remotely, more service feet on the street.
So, it’s always been a competitive environment, but you are able to differentiate that business on total cost of ownership which is 90% of that equation is not the initial cost, it’s -- the energy efficiency in the maintenance and the liability to product over the long haul, and nothing has changed about our value proposition there at all..
And Nigel, it's Sue. Let me add a little bit of color on the pricing to that, I think it is important and it really doesn’t come out in all the detail that we’ve got. So, we talked about the prices actually positive in both of the segments which it is.
The other piece there is that the pricing that we have achieved in the year eventually higher than last year. Again, we know the inflationary pressures that we’ve got, but we have really been able to build positive pricing in the areas of the world. And in total, it is positive in a dollar terms on a year-over-year basis and it’s fairly significant.
And it does have the headwind and there aren’t price from Asia. So, I don’t want anyone to think that the pricing is actually not strong and that we haven’t achieved pricing in 2017, we acutely have and it’s actually stronger than it was in 2016..
That’s an important point, thanks Sue. And just to follow on SG&A, you talked about G&A as an important area of productivity improvement. And Mike in the PR, you talked about ramping up productivity to offset some of these price material pressures.
If we delineate between the S and G&A in that 5% inflation, are we starting to see the G&A good news coming through? But they're masked by some of the sales investments, so is that on the come?.
Yes, relatively to 2018, Nigel. I will tell you that we’re going to generate $300 million plus in productivity like we do every year. It’s going to be direct material, it’s going to be PGT led with engineering and product management and operations, that will be both direct and indirect in that regard.
I think what’s going to be different for us as we spent a couple of quarters in excruciating detail understanding the G&A and sort of benchmarks and ideas around reducing G&A across the Company, which will show up strict on the G&A line overtime between 2018 and 2020 over a multi-year period, certainly starting in 2018 will have an impact.
We also see opportunities with a lot of what we’ve done around automation in lien around things like warehouse consolidations and logistics opportunities that we are able to take advantage. I think, yes, we’ll start to see those in 2018 as well.
So, what I’m saying in addition to the normal high levels of productivity that we'd expect in the operating system, there are couple of projects that literally we’re having to build program offices, and [succumb] very talented people into the program office to be able to drive, what’s likely to be hundreds of projects that roll up into these two bigger ideas.
But I think that we get more leverage in ’18, ’19 and ‘20 from those things. and I’m pretty excited about it. We talked about at your conference in fact and I’m glad you asked me the question..
Your next question comes from the line of Steve Tusa with JP Morgan. Your line is open..
On the commercial side, last quarter you had mentioned the unitary markets on that slide as growing.
What are you seeing in those markets? And ahead of this kind of regulatory transition in 2018, do you expect any kind of pre-buy? And then just what’s your outlook for kind of the core unitary markets going forward?.
Yes, growth again in North America, you know in the quarter nice growth in the quarter there. So, I don’t anticipate a pre-buy there for say. There could be some, I mean it will be great if there was, but we don’t anticipate much of one at this point in time.
But we are going to be sure that we’ve built inventory and that we’re talking to customers about what is stackable and in fact if they want to take that on..
Okay, great. And then in residential, you guys also mentioned for the first time channel at least relative to last quarter. What do you -- I’ve heard from the channel that you guys are kind of building out a bit of these store fronts like Lennox has.
I don’t know if that’s kind of an ongoing strategy that you’ve been just doing under the radar that you haven’t talked about a lot.
Maybe if you could give us some clarity on what exactly you’re doing in the channel outside of the digital stuff that you’ve already mentioned maybe different relative to last year and the year before that?.
Yes, thanks Steve. We’ve got about 260 part stores today. Generally speaking, we’ve got them where we want them. We were adding up through last year but we’ve got the coverage we generally need, and we’re finding opportunities to transition some of that digitally.
So, it doesn't all have to be brick-and-mortar but there are 260 brick-and-mortar stores that are out there. What you’re finding on unitary books rather than commercial now is, there is this past year in particular much more of a bias with customers replacing than repairing. So, I do think that, that's put a little bit of pressure on mix.
But for the right reason, you’re really seeing people at this point in time doing wholesale replacements..
And Steve, I would also point out that in the context of our parts stores, the 260 that Mike mentioned that stores both commercial and the residential markets for as. And in fact, the commercial is a little heavier than residential in terms of overall sales for those parts stores..
And as you know, Steve, a lot of contractors don't identify themselves as one or the other..
Right..
So, it makes sense that we'd say one presence to our customers..
That makes sense.
And how fast this one last question -- how fast did that grow like over the last couple of years? What was -- how many I guess did you add in 2016 just a reference point?.
Yes, a 1,000 maybe and see, we’ve been working at that for a long time. That’s not -- this hasn’t been something that you'd pull out of our company is being the large mover and shaker around the business. But, they are an important part of the business and we’ve got a 260 to coverage we think we need..
Your next question comes from the line of Rich Kwas with Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open..
Mike, just want to just get your thoughts on, as we big picture as we think of mix within climate for next year. You’ve had very strong growth on the order side in China, you’ve talked about the price that the mix headwind there that brings lower growth in the developed markets.
How does that shape up as we think about a normal incremental margin for climate particularly in comparison to this year? Do we get -- do you think you get back into that 25%, 30% on a year-over-year basis with some of the initiatives you in place and given the mix changing?.
Yes, I have no doubt Rich, but the planning we'll do for 2018 will have us coming back to more normalized leverage in that business. And we’ve built a portfolio that should be agnostic to the product specifically. I mean as you know applied has got a little lower margin, but great service base over the long period of time.
And unitary gives you a little bit of the margin pop sooner, but this is not happening in the world and an up growth in the world that I expect again good growth in 2018. The pipeline supports that. We think we’ve got a more manageable mix of inflation moving from steel to copper, easier to get on top of that from a pricing perspective.
So -- and then the question I answered to the Nigel last, if we can do a bit more around some of the rooftop consolidation a bit more around the G&A leverage in the Company, no doubt that will get back to where we’ve historically been..
And then just on, as we think about the institutional given you’ve seen some path micro wise, some moving numbers here with regard to forward indicator given Dodge and ABI et cetera. But generally moving in the right direction, I know you've emphasized no change versus five months ago earlier in the call, but just within the mix of the business.
How do you think about that shaping up this year in terms of higher growth rate potentially for 2018 versus 2017 and the impact on the margin? I think you've touched on applied being lower margin, but is that meaningful enough to impact overall incrementals and how much would it be offset on the top line with regards to….
Yes. So, one of the issues in top I know from an analyst to investors perspective is to take that Dodge where ABI data. And about it you can do is to take that phase value.
But, I’ve always said that Dodge data would really account for about 50% of what we consider to be the market, the visible market would be would Dodge is reporting about 50% -- frankly for the good 50% is the negotiated piece of that -- the negotiated retrofit of the performance contracting side of that.
And that’s where we’ve got the added benefit of looking at a pipeline and those pipelines are well done. It’s a process that we’ve been running in our company for a long time. It’s a high level of confidence about what gets reported in there and how we assign close rates and probability to those projects.
And so, when I look at, what I see for 2018, I see a good runway and good projects. There is a number of very large projects that have the possibility of going in 2018 for us, that we generally wouldn’t put into a forecast. We generally wouldn’t even put into our guidance.
But similar to what happened in 2016, we’re at historic ’17 a little bit for us, we’re going to have a little bit of that 2018 as well. These projects will range from $50 million to $200 million apiece, and so they’re going to move the numbers a great deal up in fact they hit.
But excluding those, we see a strong pipeline including those, there is a very strong pipeline..
Your next question comes from the line of Julian Mitchell with Credit Suisse. Your line is open..
Maybe just switching to the industrial segment for a change. So compression tech you had pretty good equipment orders growth in the last say three quarters. The sales though have been down substantially in the equipment year-to-date.
So I just wondered within compression tech, how we think about the conversion of that order number into different revenues and when we should start to see the equipment revenue line accelerate?.
One really good data point for us that I’ll tell you on this call is that you know we’re very indexed towards very large compressors. We’re number one is centrifugal compression technology in that space. And of course you know that that carries 40 to 50% pull-through on service along with that overtime.
And that has grown in the mid-20s, booking growth during the year, and it grew in the mid-20s again in the third quarter. So we’re feeling good about what that means for 2018 shipments and even beginning to formulate early 2019 shipments around some of the larger compressors.
So that’s an exciting change for us as it relates to backlog being built in large compressors, and it's exciting that it relates to the kind of leverage we expect to see from that..
Understood. Thank you. And then just circling back on the productivity and other inflation line in your margin bridge. You know historically in years when that have been good, it was about a 100 basis points tailwind 2012 or 2014, 2015 when you’re talking about more aggressive measures on productivity for next year.
Is that the type of tailwind you think that we should expect about a 100 bps from that line?.
Julian, without setting guides being carefully here. That’s sort of the general theme about how we think about setting plans would be to have about 100 bps of positive spread there.
And then I take you back to my boxer analogy and that works great sitting in November and December, and then as you get into January and take a punch to figure out how do you use all the tools at your disposals to win the fight.
So that would be our sort of going in idea, and then we want to make sure we’re doing is we’re putting some additional levers in place around ideas like rooftop consolidation in G&A that would be additive to that. Our in the event of that inflation, our pricing wouldn’t behave the way we expect it to.
We’ve got some additional counter measures in place..
Your next question comes from the line of Jeff Sprague with Vertical Research. Your line is open..
Mike, I want to come back just a little bit again to China and just the maturation as its Tier 3 and Tier 4 strategy. Just a couple of points I’m interested in. Where are you on product development for those companies -- for those cities? I am sorry. You mentioned de-contenting product to serve those markets.
You have a product refresh or product redesign that needs to happen that kind of effectively address this. And also I’m just wondering, you’ve talked about the opportunity for service capture.
What kind of service capture are you actually seeing in those markets?.
Yes. And to be clear, Jeff, we’ve got all of the product now in the market place, the ducted and ductless and applied and controls in the marketplace. So, we’re fully functional there. What will happen is, we'll get certain feature sets there are often specified by others into the Tier 3, Tier 4 cities.
You got and you try to explain the value and the total cost of ownership around that and overtime, we’re pretty successful with that. But initially, you tend to find feature side that carry lower margins and perhaps something you'd find in Beijing and Shanghai typically.
In fact, the product development going on now around the unitary space, if you take the unitary product that we have and actually go the other way with that, which is some high efficiency unitary coming back in Tier 1, Tier 2 cities around that. And again this is all in the commercial space, not on the residential space at all.
So, it’s a very thoughtful strategy overtime about putting manufacturing product management operation in place, product growth teams, feet on the street, incrementally quite a few as a result of all this.
And then excellent execution on the ground by the team there, to the point where you just don’t forecast for 40% plus growth rate as you’re doing your plans.
You set goals and objectives around those sort of things, but you don't sort of plan those things, but the team has generated sort of -- they’ve been on top of even though stretch goals, which to me is really solid execution.
In the long run, it’s building out a strong base and it’s not changed, but half of the world’s chillers and the last five years have gone in the China, half the world is chillers going to go in China in the next five years.
And it makes sense like it does everywhere for us to have a full unitary, applied, controls, service and digital footprint and for that to be direct on the commercial side. And that’s what we’re doing..
And on the service capture side of thing, how is that playing out?.
Yes. When I look back to 2008, 2009, it would have been in that 10% range compared to North America or Western Europe 50%. Today, it’s in that 20%, 25% range, and it will continue to move up, and over the next say 5 to 10 years look alike Western Europe and North America no doubt about that.
The equipments get more sophisticated, customers expectations around energy efficiency and around sustainability goals in China much more stringent than they have been in the past. All those things really lead more towards the OEM having the advantage in maintaining the equipment..
How much actual physical capacity are you needing to add to accomplish this? I mean there is certainly concerns that there is just excess manufacturing capacity in the space fairly your winning orders and growing your business and therefore they need some.
But, how do you balance that risk reward?.
Yes, we don’t have to need to build the additional factories in Asia. We’ve got a substantial footprint today and we continue to lien it out. So, we’re -- lines are running are faster and less space. And the more scale we get the faster we can run the lines and hypothetically the less space per dollar of margin we’re going to need.
So, I don’t have the plan thus needing to build the factory in China at any point in the future..
Your next question comes from the line of Joe Ritchie with Goldman Sachs. Your line is open..
So maybe going back to price for a second. We heard from Watsco this morning that some of its vendors were starting to advertise the pricing increases in the fourth quarter.
Are you guys trying to pull forward price in 4Q? Or should we think about that as being like typical like 1Q type event?.
No, I mean, Joe, I think we follow our normal cadence some of which might be in the fourth quarter and some in the first quarter, but there is no discussion that we’re having about pulling any of that forward on a different schedule than normal..
And Joe just to confirm, price and res is exceeding material inflation, and we grew margins again in the quarter. The hurricane impact to us was not in the res space, and in res space, we were able to move inventory into the market and we’re well positioned there.
The impact for us was really losing three weeks of time in Puerto Rico at the manufacturing facility. And they are just to skip to it, it wasn’t the factory itself, we had the factory up and running with our own temporary power with plenty of diesel, plenty of water.
It was the fact that it was so difficult for our employees in the market that many of them who lost the home, lost everything, will just enable to come to work or didn’t have the means to come to work to be able to build products.
So we’re back up, we've been back up for couple of weeks, we’re running at rate where we haven’t missed a beat in terms of customers there. We plan ahead to build for hurricanes in advance and so we have stock there just waiting for the ports to open up a little bit to shift them back out.
But just to skip to that, it really wasn’t our res business for us and it’s largely in the thermochem business..
That’s helpful color, Mike. Maybe my follow-up here and this is just perhaps refreshing my memory, but I thought you guys were targeting investments in the second half of the year that were roughly two times out of the first half. So, we were thinking it was going to be closer to like call it $40 million of spend in the second half.
I think you did about 11 this quarter, so should we think about the fourth quarter as being pretty highly loaded with an uptick in investments or you’re pulling back on spend a little bit?.
Joe, that’s an interesting area. We are pulling back a little bit, but let me tell you how that’s actually coming about because this is not Mike and I going out and saying, we need to cut investments.
So, I would expect the fourth quarter to be a little higher than the third quarter, but no more near what the math would tell you that you would pull in, it's not 30 by any stretch. But our businesses as we closer to actually going through the projects that are in the investment.
And again our investments are mostly in new products development channel, and some IT type of investments are actually looking at the projects, and then return on those projects are not coming to the conclusion that the returns are not at the expectations that they have and we have as a company.
And so, they’re the ones pulling them off the table and perhaps going back to do some additional work on those business cases and maybe they'll show up again in 2018, but it’s really SPU driven pulling down those investments in the back half of the year and we’re very supportive of that on for those reasons..
Your next question comes from the line of Andrew Obin with Bank of America Merrill Lynch. Your line is open..
Hey, just a question on sort of management succession. You’ve had some recent changes at the top. I think some has been scheduled like Didier and Robert, but I think Gary Michel was probably not expected.
Could you just tell us as to what this means about sort of operational directional of the Company this transition at the top? And what’s happening with Gary’s role? Thank you..
Yes, thanks Andy. It’s a good probably opportunity to step back and talk about all the changes, some of which you mentioned and some that there’ll be a good catch up on.
Robert and Didier have been great partner to this company for a long time, both had plans for 2018 retirements, we begin to put pen and paper on January 2017, and we’ve got Robert who will step out in January of 2018 and Didier in September of 2018. So, we’re able to benefit from their involvement for some time yet.
At that point, we begin to plan and then early September, the 5th of September, we actually pointed Dave Regnery as the EVP combining those two roles. And really what’s happened here is we’ve had very strong consistent leadership at the SP level for now long time.
We’re not at the same place we were five years ago and so the role has changed and I’ve got a lot of confidence in Dave and Dave’s capability, 30 years for the Company, and obviously doing a great job with the HVAC business in North America and EMEA.
Lived in different parts of the world and managed about every part of the Company at one point there or another. At the same time, we put Dave in that role. We moved Donny Simmons into Dave’s role. Now, Donny, you all would have met at our Investor Day. Donny was leading fluid, material, handling, power tools.
He led a large part of the commercial North America and trained organization before that. Before that, he was in finance both the climate segment and going all the way back TK. So, Donny stepped into that role. A couple of weeks later, Gary had announced his intention to retire from the Company at the end of September.
Concurrent with Gary’s announcement, we’ve appointed Jason Bingham. Jason is the President for HVAC and Supply. He also spoke at the Analyst Conference, if you recall. Jason was running our controls contracting and digital business.
It’s been built into a $1 billion plus business for us overtime, and he’s got a 26 years tenure with the Company going back to 1991, strong commercial, strong residential background. So, he is a fish in water, really in the res business. And then, we had also the planned retirement of Marc Dufour.
Marc runs our Club Car business and Marc is going to retire in January of 2018. So, we announced Marc's retirement around the same time, 36 years with us over that period of time. And Mark Wagner who you would have all again met at [indiscernible] Conference, Mark was one of the speakers there is running our Club Car for us.
So, it’s really leveraging very strong total talent, very good communication by the senior executives in the Company around their succession plans and timing. The tremendous willingness with them to work with us around dates so that it could work for everybody and have a good continuity.
We’re very excited about the changes that we’ve got and these guys have been in place now for a couple of months, good month at this point and its pretty exciting..
And just a follow-up question on cost and I apologize I’m sort of beating the dead horse here. Just so we have slightly lower spent in the quarter, slightly lower investment spent than we’re planning on. I would imagine that China and Middle East strategy, you know you’ve had that for awhile.
So I’m just still sort of a little bit missing, why you’re going with this earnings shortfall? Is it because sort of China and Middle East and that up being more expensive than we’re expected? Or is there something else on top of that below the surface that was weaker than we expect? And I apologize if I missed it..
Yes, and if I put it really simply I would say that the Tier 3, Tier 4 strategy and some of the larger infrastructure projects are caring about five points lower gross margin. Let’s say then the Tier 1, Tier 2 cities, historical applied market.
And the fact that we’ve grown that at a rate twice the rate of the other business has just put margin mix pressure there. And that again adding a 178 people into the mix, it takes awhile for those people to ramp up. But you know again 40 plus % growth rate sets the ramping up pretty quickly..
And the other element, Andrew, is that. Asia, China specifically has had material inflation that has escalated throughout the year. So when we talk about that being persistent, it is very persistent in fact if I look at where biggest impact occurs, it’s a commercial HVAC and North America followed by Asia Pacific followed by residential.
So, they’ve also had that headwind that was bigger than what we thought earlier in the year and that also contributes to that dynamic..
Our last question comes from the line of Jeff Hammond with KeyBanc Capital Markets. Your line is open..
Hey, good morning guys. Thanks for fit me in. This is James Picariello actually. So just on M&A, you mentioned 200 million commitment year-to-date, it looks like only 60 million has actually been spent.
So, is it safe to assume that the telematics asset represents most of that difference? And then also, how do you bridge to this 4 to 500 million range? What’s the timing between an actual agreement and close of the deal, so just trying to get a sense there? Thanks..
Yes, James I think we've closed four transaction or will close four transaction by the end of the month. So I wouldn’t assume that all to be in the telematics space and that would have been the largest of the group. But the couple of 100 million is really laid out and will have that close by the end of the month.
The balance of that is our best guess of stuff in flight of which I would say between $50 million and $200 million. There is a number of things in flight there that the timing could be off slightly, it could be a quarter off here or there, but those are lining up nicely as well to.
And it ranges between, channel and technology being added to the core portfolio..
Okay. And then just last one on the Residential HVAC replacement opportunity. How has -- how have prior storms really pulled through that demand, and then typically over what timeframe? Just trying to get your early assessment of what the opportunity could be next year and maybe even beyond that? Thanks..
Yes, the commercial is a little easier to predict than res. Commercial, you can -- we can predict a great rental boom and followed by immediate service requirement and we put people into those locations to be able to provide service from out of states.
And then depending upon the criticality of what it is that you’re conditioning space for, those things move really quick. Res, you got everything between the tip of the tail, which is people with insurance maybe a bit more fluent, who are able to step in very quickly without insurance and replace.
You’ve got actually the body of the bell curve which is folks are waiting for insurance that can take some time to process and it’s probably at this point 2018 event, I should think about that. And you’ve got sort of other part of the bell curve, people without insurance that may not be able to step in and buy that as well.
So, that will take one year to three years before that happens. So, generally over one year or two years, you see growth as a result of us, so the net of it usually growth, but it usually takes one year to two years for that to show up..
Thanks, guys..
On the res side -- on the res side that is, on the commercial side, it’s quicker..
I will now turn the call over to Mr. Zac Nagle for closing remarks..
Great. Thank you. I’d like to thank everyone for joining today’s call. As usual, we will be around to take any questions that you may have today or over the coming days. And we look forward to seeing many of you on the road in the coming weeks and into 2018. Thank you..
This concludes today’s conference call. You may now disconnect..