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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q1
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Executives

Ryan Greenier - VP, IR Marita Zuraitis - Director, President and CEO Bret Conklin - EVP and CFO Bill Caldwell - EVP, Property and Casualty Matt Sharpe - EVP, Annuity and Life.

Analysts

Meyer Shields - KBW Bob Glasspiegel - Janney Montgomery Scott Matt Carletti - JMP Securities.

Operator

Greetings, and welcome to Horace Mann First Quarter 2017 Earnings Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded.

It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Ryan Greenier, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you. Mr. Greenier, you may begin..

Ryan Greenier Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Chief Investment Officer

Thank you, Dough, and good morning, everyone. Welcome to Horace Mann’s discussion of our first quarter 2017 results. Yesterday we issued our earnings release and investor financial supplement. Copies are available on the Investors Page of our Web site.

Our speakers today are Marita Zuraitis, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Bret Conklin, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Bill Caldwell, Executive Vice President of Property and Casualty; and Matt Sharpe, Executive Vice President of Life and Retirement are also available for the question-and-answer session that follows our prepared comments.

Before turning it over to Marita, I want to note that our presentation today includes forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Legislation Reform Act of 1995. The Company cautions investors that any forward-looking statements include risks and uncertainties and are not guarantees of future performance.

These forward-looking statements are based on management’s current expectations, and we assume no obligation to update them. Actual results may differ materially due to a variety of factors, which are described in our press release and SEC filings. In our prepared remarks, we may use some non-GAAP measures.

Reconciliations of these measures to the most comparable GAAP measures are available in the supplemental section of our press release. And now I’ll turn the call over to Marita Zuraitis..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Ryan, and good morning everyone and welcome to our call. Before we turn to the quarterly results, I want to congratulate Bret Conklin on his appointment to Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Bret brings over 30 years of insurance industry experience with more than half of those at Horace Mann.

Bret has also been a strong contributor to the executive leadership team and I know he will continue to build upon the solid foundation that both he and Dwayne have already established. Turning to the results, the first quarter of 2017 included an unprecedented level of catastrophe losses for both Horace Mann and the industry.

The mild winter resulted in early spring and much of the convective storm activity that generally occurs in April and May impacted the first quarter, particularly in March. The National Weather Service reported over 500 tornadoes in the first quarter, a level not seen since the 2008 and 2011 tornado seasons.

That said, the elevated level or tornado activity appears to have moderated in April with lower than average storm counts in the month. These national statistics mirror claim patterns that we've seen and while it is still very early so far our April storm losses appear to be at levels below historical averages.

This elevated level of convective storm activity generated $17.2 million or 10.8 points of catastrophe losses, which was a record for the first quarter of cat losses at Horace Mann. And weather also impacted our non-cat loss ratio which increased nearly 5 points compared to the reported results and the first quarter of 2016.

Basically the first quarter of 2016 at a high-level of catastrophe losses, but favorable non-cat weather. However, in 2017, we saw significantly higher weather events in both cat and non-cat. Based on broader industry data, we believe our losses are in line with market share in impacted geographies.

We analyze claim data and do not see any indications of over concentration or problematic underwriting. What we do see is widespread convective storm activity across the Midwest and Southeast, as well as impacts of significant amount of rain in January in California.

We, like the broader industry are experiencing historic levels of weather related losses and clearly seeing a troubling weather trend, more severe convective storms continue to increase in frequency.

While this data works its way into pricing over time, we are keenly focused on ensuring that our rate plan includes adequate increases to account for this volatility and incorporates recent trends in our pricing models. We target a low 90s combined ratio for our property book, which includes over 20 points of catastrophe losses.

Despite the elevated catastrophe activity in 2016, we achieved that target and we're focused on ensuring that we do the same in 2017. Our rate plan of mid single-digit increases in property is on track and we continue to refine our claim practices with an eye to further improve operational efficiencies.

Obviously with the amount of weather we experienced in the quarter, our operating earnings were $0.37 lower than the prior year.

This quarter's result included $0.27 of catastrophe losses and on an underlying basis we estimate non-cat weather related losses pressured auto and property loss ratios by 2 to 3 points, which equates to roughly $0.10 per share.

The underlying auto combined ratio was 105.3, essentially in line with full-year 2016 auto results, despite the impacts of a very active weather quarter. While the impact of non-cat weather is difficult to quantify, we've unpacked and analyzed claim data.

We saw an increase in weather related accident counts that appear to correlate with geographies that experienced the disproportionate share of adverse weather in the quarter. This analysis was reinforced by relatively strong auto loss results in January and February, two months that clearly had more typical first quarter weather patterns.

Overall, P&C loss trends continue to be stable and this now marks the third quarter in a row of stabilization. Including adverse weather, frequency was up in the mid single digits. And excluding weather, we're seeing a low single-digit increase and severity is flat.

Therefore, when we look past the adverse weather that occurred late in the quarter, we're confident, remain on track to improving auto profitability. From a rate plan perspective, we're making good progress to achieve our original auto rate plan of 8% and we believe we may end the year slightly higher than we originally planned.

At the end of the first quarter, we have approvals on nearly 60% of the plan 2017 rate increases and have implemented over a third. We set our pricing to cover loss cost trends and we identified and reacted to the increases -- the increase in trends early.

As a result, this is the third cycle of elevated rate increases and we will continue to take increases until we get on our long-term target of a high 90s combined ratio for the auto business.

While we believe it is still too early to declare victory, we are encouraged by the early indicators that we may have turn the corner and we’re confident we will see a point of improvement consistent with our original 2017 earnings guidance in the underlying auto combined ratio on a full-year basis.

Retention continues to hold despite our rate plan, which we believe reflects the stickiness of our book. Our cross sell rate is nearly double the industry and our educator customers have a high degree of loyalty to brand. P&C sales increased 9%, reflecting increases in both auto and property.

Despite the challenging loss trends impacting the entire industry, we have identified geographies and segments were growth is clearly accretive to our loss ratio and are focusing our marketing efforts on these pockets of business.

We remain confident in our ability to profitably grow our P&C book and believe that the rate actions that many carriers are now taking create an opportunity to attract more educators to our unique value proposition. The Retirement segment continues to perform well. Operating earnings increased 9% and sales grew 4%.

Net investment income was up 9% benefiting from favorable investment returns, continued prepayment activity, and a higher asset base. Assets under management grew 9% to $6.6 billion from a year-ago. In early April we launched a suite of new individual annuity products called personal retirement protector as well as a new custodial IRA platform.

Similar to the new group products we launched last year, our new individual offerings feature a revised agent compensation structure now as a percentage of assets under management, eliminating upfront commissions.

In addition, these offerings feature a best of breed selection of third-party mutual funds and subaccounts, reflecting our continued focus on increasing client value and reducing overall costs. This launch completes our preparation for a DOL compliant product lineup and sales process, which as it stands today is required effective June 9.

But as we've said before, the evolution we've made to our retirement products, distribution and infrastructure, wasn't done in response to the DOL regulations, but instead represents the culmination of more than three years of efforts to build a holistic goal-based financial planning model to help educators achieve their retirement goals.

We've completely modernized our group and individual product offerings and we have designed an innovative solution for the 403B market.

From a distribution perspective, we've worked with our agency force to deepen their skills and provide them with tools and simplified sales collateral that they need to have these important conversations with their customers.

And we've modernized our infrastructure to improve the customer experience, but more importantly to ensure we have appropriate entry points for these customers that may not choose to begin their process with us through an in person meeting with our agency force.

This quarter we launched additional complementary direct channels and now allowing educator to a role in a group plan by phone or online. We now can provide interactive real-time enrollment experience for an educator based on their preference.

Our online enrollment option offers a simple, user-friendly design that can get a participant started quickly, while also providing robust educational content for those users that want to spend more time researching their options, and phone enrollment can be completed in a matter of minutes.

These two options provide an efficient new way for us to capture enrollment and significantly modernize our sales process. These approaches align well with millennial preferences and while it's important to provide customer options to begin their customer relationships.

We also know that these customers will gravitate towards our agent channel as their needs become more complex. As you would expect, given the recent launch, we are currently focused on agent training and optimizing these new enrollment processes for both our individual and group offerings.

We’re confident, we’re on the right track with our innovative retirement product suite and expanded distribution options.

Our agents are excited about the launch of the individual products and on the group site our institutional team continues to introduce Horace Mann to a more diverse set of 403B sponsors, as well as deepening connections with consultants that assist with 403B provider selection.

Our institutional RFP pipeline continues to grow as we expect to increase the number of school districts that have our new Horace Mann group retirement advantage product over the course of 2017. In the Life segment, earnings continue to be solid and sales continue to grow at a strong pace.

Total sales increased 57% and premiums and contract deposits increased 11% to $26.5 million. We continue to see a significant opportunity to grow at a double-digit pace as our target markets significantly is underinsured in this line.

Many educator households across the country, whether they’re Horace Mann customers or not, rely on non-portable group coverage or simply go without individual life insurance because they overestimate the cost. From a strategic initiative standpoint, our systems modernization efforts in both P&C and retirement are going well.

We’re investing to improve online functionality, enhance the customer experience, and widen the operational pipes to efficiently support greater volumes of business. And on the distribution front, we're seeing signs of growth in both the traditional agency channel, as well as sales volume in our direct channel.

We've increased the number of distribution points during the quarter, ramping up agent recruiting and we are also implementing a more comprehensive training program. We enhanced our curriculum to provide three months of classroom and field sessions, as well as one-on-one coaching and mentoring on our sales process.

In addition, this enhanced training aligns with our new proprietary education tool that provides personalized product recommendations to help customers achieve their retirement goals as well as providing recommendations on the appropriate P&C and Life insurance coverages.

In addition to these improvements, new recruits are expected to meet certain minimum requirements, which accelerate over time in order to retain their agency appointment. In short, we've replicated what has made our most productive agent successful, distilled into our training curriculum and establish clear sales goals for new appointments.

We believe these enhancements will improve agent success over time and we are pleased to see sequential agency growth in the first quarter, a quarter were agency count historically dipped due to seasonality in hiring. Our recruiting efforts should result in continued increases in points of distribution as we move through 2017.

Our new agent appointments are focused on profitable geographies and areas where we have underutilized 403B payroll slots. In total, we believe modernizing agent training, improving agent recruiting, and enhancing our direct channel and sales tools, will drive increased sales momentum over the course of 2017 and beyond.

Before turning the call over to Bret, I want to reiterate that this quarter's results were in line with expectations when you look past weather impacts. Underlying P&C results are on track. We're clearly seeing strong results in Retirement and Life.

And those strong results provide ballast in a volatile weather quarter and showcase the benefits of earnings diversification of a true balanced multiline model. We continue to make progress on our strategic investments in product, distribution and infrastructure.

These investments are building upon a strong foundation and are the right strategies to accelerate our growth momentum over time and we are seeing signs of success. We continue to attract more educators to our unique value proposition, while also retaining existing customers at industry-leading levels.

Our solutions orientation appeals to both school districts and educators, and we will continue to focus on the driving force behind our success, our relentless focus on putting the educator at the center of everything we do by solving for the issues that educators face we are becoming their preferred insurance and financial services company.

And with that, I will turn the call over to Bret..

Bret Conklin

Thanks, Marita, and good morning, everyone. First quarter operating income of $0.37 per diluted share was $0.25 lower than the prior year quarter with nearly all of the difference related to the higher weather related losses in the P&C segment.

Offsetting higher loss cost was a tax related benefit of $0.06, which reflected the impact of adopting the new share-based accounting pronouncement related to restricted stock-based compensation distributions. P&C after-tax income of $2.7 million was about $11 million lower than the prior year quarter.

On a reported basis, the combined ratio was 105.5, catastrophe losses were 2.5 points higher, the expense ratio increased 1 point largely related to non-capitalize systems modernization expenses in favorable prior development was 0.7 points lower.

Prior accident year property reserves continue to develop favorably and accounted for all of the releases in the quarter. On an underlying basis, the loss ratio of 55.8 increased nearly 6 points, but if you recall we strengthen auto loss reserves first quarter of 2016 by over four points over the course of 2016.

As a result, the underlying loss ratio in the first quarter of 2017 for all of P&C is about 2 points higher compared to how the first quarter of 2016 developed, and that increase is largely related to non-cat weather impacts in both property and auto.

Within auto, we're seeing loss trends stabilize, the underlying combined ratio was 105.3 very similar to our full-year 2016 results despite the first quarter of 2017 having significant higher weather related losses.

The underlying combined ratio for property of 74.5, a profitable result, allows us to absorb quarters with a high-level of cat losses when they occur. P&C written premiums increased 4% to $153 million primarily reflecting rate actions. Sales increased 9% in the quarter with auto up 9%, and property increasing 5%.

And despite the rate increases, we continue to take in both auto and property. Retention remains high at 83% in auto and 88% in property. In the Retirement segment, operating income excluding DAC unlocking was $11.7 million, a $1 million increase compared to the prior year quarter.

The annualized net interest spread of 183 was consistent with prior year quarter, but 10 bps lower on a sequential basis. The result reflects a higher level of alternative investment returns compared to the prior year. Prepayment activity was similar to the level we saw in 2016, but below the elevated level we saw in the fourth quarter.

In addition, we saw a $2.6 million increase in operating expenses compared to the prior year related to the plan strategic investments we’re making in retirement.

Including, expenses related to system modernization, the building launch of our new retirement product suite and proprietary education tool, the institutional team and digital one customer experience improvements. This increase is on track with our expectations built in the full year 2017 earnings guidance.

Assets under management increased 9% compared to a year-ago, reflecting continued strong persistency is what a healthy level of deposit and sales. Single premium and rollover deposit sales increased 4% compared to the prior period. I would like to mention that we change our basis for measuring sales and recurring retirement products beginning in 2017.

Historically, we annualized new recurring deposit sales that occurred during the quarter and reported that as a sales number. Going forward however, we now report the total recurring deposits collected in the quarter. This change aligns our sales reporting metrics with the way agents are compensated.

Instead for new sales we now compensate them based on assets under management. All prior periods have been restated in the supplement to provide data on a similar basis. Life segment operating earnings excluding DAC unlocking were $3.8 million and consistent with the prior period. Mortality costs in both periods were line with actuarial models.

Consolidated net investment income increased $6 million to $90.7 million mainly due to higher asset balances in the retirement segment and prepayment. Alternative returns were favorable with the prior year, but slightly below our expectations.

We continue to find opportunities in conservative asset classes like investment-grade corporates taxable municipal and high-quality structure securities. And although we saw a decline in interest rate and spreads in the quarter, we achieved our target new money reinvestment rate of 4%.

Overall, on a reported basis, book value per share increased to $32.60 compared to year end. The net unrealized gain position on investments was $351 million, an increase of nearly $40 million in the quarter, largely due to tighter spreads.

We continue to build book value excluding net unrealized gains on investments and compared to a year-ago, book value per share excluding net unrealized gains on investments increased to $27.71. And in addition to growing book value we are committed to the return of capital to shareholders via regular dividend increases.

In the first quarter, we increased our quarterly dividend 4% to an annualized dividend of a $1.10 per share. Despite some quarterly earnings volatility, as a result of weather related losses, our long-term shareholder value creation metrics remain strong.

On a five year basis, our compounded annual growth rate in Horace Mann's adjusted book value per share plus dividends was 10% through the first quarter. In summary, we're confident that the investments we are making today will result in accelerated sales growth which over time will result in improved ROEs as we upscaled.

We're seeing good sales results in the P&C segment, retirement sales continue to be solid and we are encouraged by a growing institutional RFP pipeline and our life segment is clearly performing well with another quarter of very strong double-digit sales.

I'm confident we remain on the right track for continued profitable growth and we're successfully executing our vision to be the preferred insurance and financial services provider for the nation's K-312 educators. Thanks. And now I'll turn the call back over to Ryan to start the Q&A..

Ryan Greenier Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Chief Investment Officer

Thanks, Bret. Doug, please open up the line to begin the Q&A portion of the call..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Meyer Shields with KBW. Please proceed with your question..

Meyer Shields

Great. Thanks. Marita, you mentioned that you’re still on track for 1 point of auto underlying improvement. That sounds pretty optimistic, given the impact of non-cat weather in the quarter.

Am I thinking about that the right way that you’re now anticipating if we exclude non-cat weather even more improvement?.

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, I mean, I -- when we unpack the weather in the quarter and we remove both the cat and non-cat effect on auto, we still see our way clear to that 1 point of improvement that we have previously announced in our guidance. We've done the math.

And like I said, based on what we saw in January and February when we saw more typical, more normal weather, we like the results that we saw on those months and we’re pretty confident that when you strip out these really outsize numbers, we’re right on track with where we thought we would be..

Alex Twerdahl

Okay, fantastic. Second question, I guess we saw a little bit of a bump in the P&C expense ratio.

Are we still targeting 27.5 for this year?.

Bret Conklin

Absolutely. This is Bret Conklin. I think we’ve mentioned on the year-end call our guidance assumes that the mid 27, 27.5. And just to put things on perspective our first quarter in '16 actually the first quarter was the highest quarter of the year.

So there is some seasonality and bumpiness in the expenses, but we’re still targeting 27.5% expense ratio on P&C..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

And I would follow-up by saying that this is a Company that has had a very disciplined expense track record and focus, and despite some very targeted strategic investments that underlying discipline hasn’t changed. So we’ve a pretty rigorous drill as you can imagine to keep track of that.

So although we have specifically target some very clear investments, the underlying expense ratio of this place remains very competitive and very disciplined. So, no concern on my part to get into what we put in our guidance just as we have in the past..

Q - Alex Twerdahl

Okay, fantastic. Thanks so much..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Welcome..

Operator

Our next question comes from the line of Bob Glasspiegel from Janney. Please proceed with your question..

Bob Glasspiegel

Good morning, Horace Mann and congratulations Bret..

Bret Conklin

Thank you, Bob..

Bob Glasspiegel

I want to push Meyer's question a little harder on underlying auto. I don’t think you gave the non-cat weather impact isolated to auto, but it sounds like the underlying was even with the year-ago. For the year, it would have been better, if you take a non-cat weather.

Are you seeing underlying improvement in autos, what you were saying on an apples-to-apples basis?.

Bill Caldwell

Yes, bob, its Bill. We did comment that auto non-cat was about 2 to 3 points on the underling loss ratio. And just to remind everybody when we look at cats, we take this strict definition of TCS, which were auto would only be compressive claims. So these are accidents that happen during severe weather or hell incidents..

Bob Glasspiegel

So underlying would have been improved.

If you take the non-cat 2 to 3 points of year-over-year?.

Bill Caldwell

Yes. Bill if you follow the math, Bret brought us up about 4.5 points. First quarter developed about 4.5 points when favorably. The starting point of this quarter minus 3.5 gets us a little bit better than we were in first quarter last year..

Bob Glasspiegel

I got it.

But still up versus reported, but down versus adjusted [ph], it's what you’re saying?.

Bill Caldwell

When we expect -- and as Marita said too we’re very confident in our rate plan, a lot of the rates is frontloaded this year. So when you think about the quarter, 25% of the time is passed, 35% of our rate has already been implemented and 60% was already improved.

Combine that with last year's rate of 6.5%, we’re seeing the compounded impact of six-month policies, 85% of our business on six-month policies. So we’re really starting to see that. Earn the premium line accelerate pretty quickly..

Bob Glasspiegel

I got it. Looking out longer term, I mean, your auto book has generally provided long-term superiority in underwriting versus industry in a better loss ratio of mixed because of your preferred book.

And even with your struggle last year, I think your came out ahead of where the industry was? Where do you think your margin and auto should be versus the industry -- where are you today as you benchmark versus the industry..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Bob, I think in your question you probably gave yourself the right answer and I think you're thinking about this right.

I had said earlier on that I felt that when some of the tapes were done for 2016 that we would continue that 3 to 5 point differential between the industry that we would run 3 to 5 points better than the industry in an underlying auto loss ratio basis and it looks like it's about that four point mark. And I think that's right.

I mean, we’ve talked about the educators that we ensure being about a risk profile. The homogenate [ph] of the book, the 70 year experience of dealing with a common set of predictable patterns and good actuarial data in science around those patterns.

I still think that we should be in that 3% to 5 point better than the industry and then you throw a little more science and all little more data, on top of it. Could it be more, maybe. But I think it's at least that historical improvement over the industry.

So when you remove a lot of touching up to these trends whether its [indiscernible] driving or miles driven or demographic patterns are probably all of the above. We feel like we’re right where we should be and where we told the street we would be..

Bob Glasspiegel

I was going to take the glass up full interpretation, push it even further.

I mean, if you does any studies and whether the teacher population does less texting and driving or …?.

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, actually as you can imagine, spend an off a lot of time talking about that and I think you can go back to cat strips where we talked about its hard to believe that the people who teach students not to drink and drive and not to text and drive, wouldn’t have a disproportionate less likelihood to get behind the wheel and texted.

And I still believe that that is true. Obviously, we look at route causes. We look at when distract to driving and more specifically texting is involved with a claim.

But as the industry has spend an off a lot of time talking about until police reports, until the stigma of distract to driving, reaches that of Life, operating under the influence of either drugs and alcohol. It's not an exact science, but I think with all this attention, I mean actually it's distracted driving awareness week here in Illinois.

Just all the [indiscernible] on the news, all the attention of the industry groups is on this issue. So rate will be the answer until a more systemic answer is more a broad based. But I think you’re absolutely right.

I think our teacher population would be less likely to have a risky behavior behind the wheel, which is probably why our loss ratio is consistently better than the industry..

Bob Glasspiegel

Thank you for your answers..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

You’re welcome..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Matt Carletti from JMP. Please proceed with question..

Matt Carletti

Hey, thanks good morning. Just wanted to follow up on Bob's kind of questioning on auto. I guess. Marita the question is, as you think about your auto business longer term, with the benefit of a few years to let the rate earn through and things like that. If we normalize a normal cap, no development.

What do you view is the boggy for the combined ratio for that business? Is it kind of high 90s where it's been in the past, is it breakeven, is it better than that?.

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, I mean, we feel very confident in the point we put in the 2017 plan and I think ran through that Math. And longer term that targeted high 90s combined is probably where we need to be. One of the benefits, the big benefit of Horace Mann is, how much we cross-sell on the property side of the house and that these are total accounts.

But even beyond that the multiline model and what we’re seeing on the strength of the retirement side and now the strength of the Life side. It's a multiline model where our agents are skilled in that and then you see that come through in the retention.

So not only attracting those customers, but retaining them at a much higher level in the ballast that our earnings get from that multiline model is quite accretive to us.

But I feel confident that we can achieve that high 90s combined ratio on the auto and with the right way the rest of the book is performing, I think that’s a pretty good result and drives the targeted ROEs that we’ve been talking about..

Matt Carletti

Yes, that makes perfect sense and I agree that’s a good target. I guess, the -- my follow-up question that would just be in terms of given that dynamic of the bundle product I think we agree that there is you have a stickier client set.

In terms of pricing in auto, do you feel you’re at the point where you’re kind of at that edge of elasticity that if you pushed more quicker, you would really start to impact retention or do you think if need be you have that lever to pull? Because I think I’m just trying to get a feel for is this just going to be a -- I’m picking a number here, three year process, something like that to get sub 100 on that auto combined or if need be [indiscernible] accelerate a little harder there or do you think it would really impact retention from this point?.

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I mean it's an interesting point in time question. What we think now versus what we thought a year and a half ago is much different. I really look to the amount of rate that we've been able to push in the book and to build commentary are getting in the book with 60% already baked. We targeted an eight, we’re probably getting something closer to a nine.

You know the problem is the trends for the industry continue, other companies and you've seen it and heard it and you'll hear more that I'm sure this quarter as well that the companies are pushing hard for a lot more price and filing a lot more rate increases to cover that trend. So, for us our frequencies are flattening out.

When you take weather out it -- out of it, like we said in the script low mid single-digit. Severity is relatively flat. I think you're starting to see those rate increases earn in and this starting to work its way through the auto industry.

So I'm optimistic that we can get this book back to where it would more typically perform, but we also take some confidence in seeing ourselves continue to have that margin better than the industry at that 3 to 5 point mark.

So I think your question is more of an industry question than a Horace Mann question, because we continue to keep that delta of our performance in our auto book. Sure it's a much higher level, but we continue to outperform the industry. And I don't see any reason in the data why we won't continue to do that..

Matt Carletti

Okay. Thank you for the answers and best of luck rest of the year..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks..

Operator

There are no further questions in queue. I’d like to hand the call back over to management for closing comments..

Ryan Greenier Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Chief Investment Officer

Thank you everyone for joining us this morning on Horace Mann's first quarter earnings call. If there are any further questions, please don't hesitate to reach out to me or Kristi Niles. Thank you..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's teleconference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day..

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