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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q2
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Executives

Ryan Greenier – Vice President-Investor Relations Marita Zuraitis – President and Chief Executive Officer Dwayne Hallman – Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer Bill Caldwell – Executive Vice President of Property & Casualty Matt Sharpe – Executive Vice President of Annuity and Life.

Analysts

Bob Glasspiegel – Janney Sean Dargan – Macquarie.

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the Horace Mann Second Quarter 2015 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A brief question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference is being recorded.

I’d now like to turn the conference over to Ryan Greenier, Vice President of Investor Relations. Thank you, Please go ahead..

Ryan Greenier Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Chief Investment Officer

Thank you, Brenda and good morning everyone. Welcome to Horace Mann’s discussion of our second quarter results. Yesterday, we issued our earnings release and investor financial supplement. Copies are available on the investors’ page of our website.

Our speakers today are Marita Zuraitis, President and Chief Executive Officer; and Dwayne Hallman, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer; Bill Caldwell, Executive Vice President of Property & Casualty; and Matt Sharpe, Executive Vice President of Annuity and Life are also available for the question-and-answer session that follows our prepared comments.

Before turning it over to Marita, I want to note that our presentation today includes forward-looking statements as defined in the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. The company cautions investors that any forward-looking statements include risks and uncertainties and is not a guarantee of future performance.

These forward-looking statements are based on management's current expectations, and we assume no obligation to update them. Actual results may differ materially due to a variety of factors, which are described in our press release and SEC filings. In our prepared remarks, we may use some non-GAAP financial measures.

Reconciliations of these measures to the most comparable GAAP measures are available in the supplemental section of our press release. I’ll now turn the call over to Marita Zuraitis..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Ryan and good morning everyone and welcome to our call. After yesterday's market close Horace Mann reported second quarter operating income of $0.36 per share. This was a solid quarter for us, but as you know historically second quarter has the highest levels of weather related impacts and this year’s results reflected that.

When we impact the results, we like the underlying trends we’re seeing. We’re clearly on the right track and making solid progress finding, winning and keeping more educator households. The normal second quarter weather volatility impacted quarterly P&C results. In annuity results were strong, assets under management grew 7%.

Disciplined spread management continues to help offset the impact of our interest rate environment. In the life segment, mortality losses were elevated versus the more normal experience in the prior year. On a year-to-date basis, we’re tracking consistent with our overall profitability goals.

In P&C the underlying current accident year combined ratio improved by 1.6 points. Property was better than 5.6 points, while auto is basically flat and we are seeing momentum in auto new business. In annuity topline growth continues to be strong and profitability is solid, in light we continue to successfully grow.

Year-to-date operating earnings at $1.08 per share are consistent with prior year and we continue to grow book value per share excluding net unrealized gains at a favorable quite pace. Ending the quarter at $26.30, a 7% increase compared to a year-ago.

Looking more closely at our P&C business, we incurred 14.5 points of catastrophe losses in the second quarter primarily due to convective storm activity. We are seeing year-to-date progress in our P&C book.

The defensive actions we’ve implemented along with the rate plan that continues to outpace loss cost, our supporting continued margin expansion underlying property results have improved over five points. Underlying auto results are similar to last year, but during the second quarter we did experience an uptick in physical damage severities.

Despite the uptick in PD severities, we are seeing relatively stable frequency across other coverages including DI. All that said we are seeing signs of sustainable true improvement in the auto line.

Our growth plans are targeted a specific strategies as we have told you in the past auto profitability is a game of inches and we are focused on finding fractions of points of improvement and I’m confidence that we’re moving in the right direction.

The P&C top line grew 3% in the quarter, retention was solid and we like the sales momentum we are seeing in auto. In addition we’re encouraged by sales growth and property and in both auto and property we are growing where we want to grow.

Our offense consist of targeted state specific strategies, specific educator cohorts of business where we have strong agent presence, solid profitability and a favorable regulatory climate. That strategy has resulted in continued sales momentum in auto up 4% on a year-to-date basis, a positive movement impact.

And we are beginning to see a list in property sales up 7% on a year-to-date basis, driven by those emerging offensive action as well as cross sell initiatives to existing customers. Shifting to annuity and life business, we are seeing solid sales momentum in both lines.

Annuity sales were up 14% in the quarter reflecting sales increases in both our exclusive agent and independent agency channels. Life sales were on track we had almost 50 more agents sell at least one life policy this year compared to last year and we delivered 8% more policies.

As we continue to rollout our training and support we expect more of our agency force to feel more confident helping customers, design a holistic goal based financial plan, that includes appropriate insurance risk protection.

Part of our overall strategy is to ensure our educators have appropriate insurance protection in place to help them achieve their financial goals. The continued momentum in life insurance sales gives me confidence that we are on the right track to help educators identify and cover their life insurance needs.

Potential for increased retention on the P&C business is another benefit, because we know based on historical statistics that P&C business that is cross sold with life or annuity tends to have much higher rentention. From a product perspective we are on track where a fourth quarter launch of our new indexed universal life product.

The IUL product provides simple tax efficient savings with the death benefit that is design to offer premium and safe amount flexibility throughout the life stages of educators. With one product, educators can adjust premium to meet budget needs and evolve base amounts throughout their life.

Like our indexed annuity product we believe this life insurance product will further improve our reach into educator households. We continue to improve our distribution capabilities in support of sales growth and our providing agents with additional tools to accelerate that growth.

For example, we continue to leverage big data to learn more about our educator niche and quick agents with tailored information about existing and potential customers within the schools they serve. This enable them to identify specific product needs for each customer and household as part of the holistic solution based orientation.

Taking this approach provides the opportunity to develop the deeper more meaningful customer relationship with higher cross line penetration and retention.

Although we managed each line of business for profitable growth, our long-term strategy is an educator household acquisition strategy and our efforts are focused on finding more, winning more and keeping more educator households.

In support of that approach we packaged our back-to-school marketing efforts to continue to advance targeted advertising in states where we have historically have had strong P&C combined ratios, a good agent network and attractive financial services opportunity. These efforts are focused on both new and existing customers.

Agent feedback is encouraging and with the complementary support of the inside sales team we are seeing early signs of success with both new and existing customers. While we are focusing on these distribution improvements we continue to be pleased with progress we are making to upgrade our infrastructure.

On the life and annuity front we are on track to have the necessary components in place for a successful fourth quarter launch of our new indexed universal life product. With the product launch occurring late in the fourth quarter we expect the resulting increase in life sales to be in 2016.

Within P&C we made significant improvements to our property sales process for agents this quarter. Our IT teams were closely with both the P&C underwriting team and agents to redesign our property coding tool for agents.

The goal is to create a more user friendly experience that would not only save agents time but also provide a better sense of underwriting tier and the related price at the beginning of the coding process. Agents have responded within uptick in property application, as we will allow our property offense over the next 12 to 18 months.

We expect the combination of more refined product and pricing sophistication with the improved technology interface to result in further increase in property sales in geographies where we want more property exposure. From a people perspective, we continue to be successful in attracting top industry talent to Horace Mann.

Last week we announced Kelly Stacy joined Horace Mann as Senior Vice President of field operations and distribution. He will lead our exclusive agency channel and related field operations, I work closely with Kelly in the past and I’m confident, his leadership will accelerate the pace of improvement in our exclusive agency channel.

So far 2015 is shaping up to be another profitable year for Horace Mann. We are on track to deliver margin improvement in P&C, annuity spreads and sales momentum are strong. And we continue to see likes in our life business.

We are ensuring we have the products tailored to meet educators’ specific needs providing client-centric distribution options and making good progress on modernizing our infrastructure. I continue to be confident that we are on the right path to be the company of our nation’s educators.

To protect against short-term risks and secure their long-term financial goals. And with that, I’ll turn the call over to Dwayne..

Dwayne Hallman

Thanks, Marita, and good morning. Second quarter operating income of $0.36 per diluted share, reflected the impact of property and casualty catastrophe losses in elevated life mortality. Someone offset my strong results in the annuity segment.

P&C after-tax income of $3.3 million was $1.6 million lower than the prior year quarter largely due to an increase in the auto loss ratio compared to the very favorable results in the second quarter of the prior year. Including in the results was $21.3 million or 14.5 points of catastrophe losses.

Both cap and non-cap property losses were modestly lower than the prior year, but still at elevated levels. As we’ve said before, given the size of our book, there can be some quarterly volatility in our results. Therefore, we look at the year-to-date trends to determine we’re on track to continue to produce margin improvement.

Looking at our results to the first two quarters, the comparison of the prior year is more in line with what we would expect given the higher severity trend in physical damage than Marita referenced a few minutes ago. In the property line we are seeing the benefit of rate actions or reinsurance cost and the impact of our underwriting actions.

That the first half of the year the underlying combined ratio improved by more than 5 points. Looking at our P&C book in total, the reported combined ratio of 97 improved by more than 1 point compared to the prior year-to-date. Catastrophes of 2.7 points were modestly higher than our expectations due to storms in the Southwest and Midwest.

In addition, we had nearly 1 point of development related to the first quarter catastrophes. As you may recall, the winter storms were particularly severe. And we won’t surprise to see unusual claims emergence related to these storms.

Although, the catastrophe losses were elevated in the first half of the year, we are still anticipating approximately 6.5 points of catastrophe losses for the full year. This assumes catastrophes in the second half of the year are generally inline with last year.

That said, the severe hurricane or adverse weather conditions in the second half of the year what obviously cause reevaluation of the ultimate catalogue. For the first six months, we’ve reported 2.4 points of favorable prior year reserve development in line with the previous year.

We’re seeing favorable development across all lines including auto, property and other liability. In addition, we’re continuing to see favorable non-cash severity trends within property. Our initial loss space for more recent action years in particularly 2014 have been developing favorably.

And as a result the trend is reflected in our initial loss space for the current actioning year. The expense ratio for the quarter was 26.8% similar to the prior year. We continue to expect the full year expense ratio to be similar to last year’s result of 27.4%, including planned infrastructure expenses during the second half of the year.

P&C return premiums increased 3% to $152.5 million for the quarter, largely on rate actions. Written premium for auto was up 4% and property was flat, reflecting the impacts of the Florida non-renewal program. At this point, our Florida property exposure primarily consists of few hundred tenant policies.

Property retention remain relatively stable at approximately 88%, but excluding Florida non-renewals the current year retention is two points higher. We are pleased with our retention levels as we continue to improve our underwriting standards and take appropriate rate actions.

We expect property return premium to begin to grow, as we put more significant, defensive actions behind us. We still have some targeted underwriting actions to take. But we are encouraged by some of the initial signs of property sales momentum this quarter.

Importantly the property sales are coming from targeted states with favorable loss ratio history. In auto retention improved modestly to 85% supporting our efforts to grow auto policies in-force. In the annuity segment, operating income excluding DAC unlocking was $11.9 million. 700,000 hired in the prior year quarter.

Assets under management grew 7% to just under $6 billion, driven by persistency remaining above 94% and continued strong sales. The annualized net interest spread of 190 declined four basis points from last quarter.

Consistent with our expected term line for 2015, we continue to be disciplined in crediting rate management and we are finding opportunities to put money to work at attractive risk adjusted returns despite the challenging market environment. That said we continue to expect the annualized net interest spread declined by the mid 180s by year-end.

In the life segment, operating earnings excluding DAC unlocking declined $1.3 million to $3.6 million on higher mortality cost. Given the moderate size of our in-force book, a number of larger claims in one quarter can have a meaningful impact on earnings.

However, we did not see anything unusual in this quarter’s mortality numbers, especially considering policies that would challenge our assumptions with mortality experience should reverse back to an actuarial trend over time.

Consolidated net investment income increased to $84 million for the quarter due to higher SF balances in the annuity segment and continued strong investment portfolio performance. The recent uptick in rates and wider spread resulted in purchase yields that exceeded our targeted new money reinvestment rate of 3% and 3.25%.

Assuming that continued low interest rate environment we expect yields to remain pressured as we move through 2015. During the quarter we utilized our credit facility to repay 75 million of senior notes that matured on June 15.

We have an additional 125 million of senior notes maturing in April 2016, and as you would expect we’re diligently monitoring the capital markets for an appropriate window to refinance our total debt structure.

Our plan use of the current facility was all along and internal part of our refinancing strategy based on our view in interest rates would remain low. Overall on a reported basis, book value per share was $31.73.

We saw the impact of higher interest rates and wider spread from the net unrealized gain position which was $397 million at the end of the quarter. We continue to bill book value excluding net unrealized gains on investments ending the quarter at $26.30, 7% increased compared to last June.

Looking on results over a longer period of time, the five year compounded annual growth of Horace Mann’s adjusted book value per share plus dividends was 11% to the second quarter. On a year-to-date basis, overall operating earnings were solid at $1.8 per diluted share.

Our second quarter results for P&C were impacted by weather overall the quarterly results were solid. We continue to see margin improvement in P&C and annuity earnings are strong. Importantly, we are seeing good sales momentum in all three of our business lines.

As a result, we are confident and our ability to continue to generate strong growth in both earnings and book value per share. Producing solid results with continued momentum has been our consistent message. We believe new products on the horizon focus on improving agent productivity and continued execution on our technology improvements.

We’ll accelerate our efforts to become the company choice for educators. Now, I turn it over to Ryan to start the Q&A..

Ryan Greenier Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Chief Investment Officer

Thanks, Dwayne. Brenda, please open up the line to begin the Q&A portion of the call..

Operator

Certainly [Operator instructions] Our first question comes from the line of Bob Glasspiegel with Janney. Please go ahead with your questions..

Bob Glasspiegel

Good morning, Horace Mann.

Quick question on auto, how much do you think non-cap weather penalized the underwriting in auto?.

Bill Caldwell

Hey Bob, this is Bill Caldwell..

Bob Glasspiegel

Hey Bill..

Bill Caldwell

Hi, how are you?.

Bob Glasspiegel

Doing great..

Bill Caldwell

This is a reminder and we talked last quarter we didn’t remember celebrate last quarter and we are not really overly concerned about this quarter, comparisons to an unusually favorable second quarter in 2014, and on underlying basis, on year-to-date basis are rough less than last year’s performance?.

Bill Caldwell

That said we do recognize an uptick is physical damage severity primarily associated with the increased weather activity combined with improvements in vehicle technology.

When you think about the value price vehicle that our educators typically drive, there is more technology in this vehicles but not only increase parts but also labor and refinishing costs.

I just want to know that frequency has stayed relatively stable adverse to what some of our competitors are seeing, so we do although we are growing the few things frequency stable which is a sign of good underwriting quality, we do led the new business mix coming in educator cross sold good credit in underwriting tiers.

And lastly we are confident that our rate actions continue to underwriting defensive actions and targeted improvements in competitive position will continue to improve our last ratio fraction at this point..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

And Bob, I think that Bill is absolutely right, looking back to last year, you remember that we had a better second quarter than the first quarter this year’s the opposite, we got a better first quarter over the second quarter. But half year over half year we are tracking well.

We’ve talked all along that auto loss ratios a game of inches we are seeing fractions of loss ratio improvement on a year-to-date basis, you know we are on track.

I remind you too that our educator book produce as better than average industry last ratio on an absolute basis any way, we’ve got a good book of business, we’ve got a mid 90s combined target and its still our target and we think we’re on track..

Bob Glasspiegel

You don’t have quantification on what non-cap weather did auto you said it was better year-over-year, but worse than normal, you don’t have a quantification?.

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

You know as well as we know that’s really hard to divide out. .

Bob Glasspiegel

Right..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Obviously whether has an impact both cap and non-cap, Bill mentioned some of the other things that may contribute to a PD severity jump, weather obviously had an impact. It’s very hard to determine exactly what that impact is.

As companies you look at the amount of days in a given quarter, where you have weather, where you had a cap, where you had a non-cap, where you had heavy rain and heavy flooding and all I can tell you is in the second quarter that’s a lot of days..

Bob Glasspiegel

Great..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

And it’s hard to impact exactly what that means, but I can tell you is a pretty wet quarter..

Bob Glasspiegel

Okay. There was – I mean it was just a response to Dwayne’s comment that that non-cap weather was elevated, but just a subjective feel, but not something you quantify that’s fair..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Okay..

Bob Glasspiegel

You’re growing auto pretty rapidly, where you happy about the auto. I think you said 4% increase in new applications on auto.

Do we need like captive breaks a little than response to this or would that be an overreaction?.

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

That would definitely be an overreaction. I like the fact that we were very thoughtful. How we thought about growth? We broke it down by state. We broke it down by the rate in that state. We broke it down by the underwriting in that state by the regulatory climate. And we took our time and we did it in the right way.

Again, we have a very homogeneous set of educator clients and anybody who rates on occupation those that this educator segment is a very profitable segment. And quite frankly, we’ve proven this out over a long period of time. We have good underlying auto results.

Due to the size of the book, it might be bouncy quarter-over-quarter, but overall a very profitable book of business that we want to grow and we feel very good about it..

Bob Glasspiegel

Marita I like your conviction, both the direction of auto and given by track record with you and what we’re a….

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Great..

Bob Glasspiegel

Thank you..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks a lot..

Dwayne Hallman

Thanks a lot..

Operator

Your next question comes from the line of Joe [indiscernible] with KBW. Please go ahead with your questions..

Unidentified Analyst

Hi, good morning everyone and thanks for taking my questions. First of all in your prepared remarks, you mentioned an uptake of physical severity. I know in the past, you’ve mentioned targeting mid-single digit auto rate increases.

Do you think this room to the upside for getting further rate going forward?.

Bill Caldwell

Yes, Joe, it’s Bill Caldwell again. We continually look at our rate plan. And as we see changes in trends, we react very quickly. I wouldn’t say there are significant more rates that need to be taken, but we continually try to say it ahead of loss cost trends, so loss cost trends increase our desire, our rate activity and our rate plans..

Unidentified Analyst

Okay..

Bill Caldwell

But that close target, tax arrive at low-mid single digits rate..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, and I would also say considering the bounciness in the industry, I would submit probably not a loan. And we’ll keep an eye on that and if we can get more, we’ll get more..

Unidentified Analyst

Certainly, I think – we track [indiscernible] we can certainly seen an uptick, but the cheaper gas and then slightly improving economy there or so..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Exactly, right….

Unidentified Analyst

Secondly, just – just with regards to this quarter, just from a capital management perspective, [indiscernible] like there any share repurchases and only a modest amount I believe in the past quarter, clearly the stocks doing well in the past year.

So I’m just curious kind of being where you are today has the appetite sort of changed overall or – so we just think about it as Horace Mann being more opportunistic going forward?.

Dwayne Hallman

Hi, this is Dwayne Hallman here. The last part of your statement about being opportunistic that is the way we’ve approached this way, we publicly have talked about it.

Over the last couple of years, if you track where we did buy shares back [indiscernible] you will find that we did very well against the VWAP and did try to take advantage of those opportunities.

You’re correct the stock has performed extremely well over the last year at levels where the buyback opportunity was probably a little less for us, especially lined up against where we’re trying to put our capital work in growing the company.

As we grow the pipe operations that becomes a bit more of a hog as far as capital is concerned especially at this statutory level, but we’re well very positioned on the P&C side that growth as well. But we watch it every day.

If there are opportunities, you will see us buy shares back, but the one thing we don’t do is just blindly going to market and pick up shares everyday just for the sake of buying shares..

Unidentified Analyst

Okay, yes, that’s why I touched, I wan to confirm. And then mortality cost, let me just preference this by saying, I know this is kind of an issue that the industry in general is dealing with, but you know is this more of a short-term blip and we’re going to see a reversion to the mean.

I mean there is nothing fundamental here that that’s changing any long-term assumptions on your part right?.

Matt Sharpe Executive Vice President of Supplemental & Group Benefits and Corporate Strategy

Joe, it’s Matt Sharpe.

How are you today?.

Unidentified Analyst

Good.

How are you?.

Matt Sharpe Executive Vice President of Supplemental & Group Benefits and Corporate Strategy

Fine, great, thanks. Yes, on the mortality as Dwayne pointed out on his comments, it appears to be normal variation driven by the small material block of our in force business and a small number of claims can materially impact those overall results.

If you look back in our history – recently history, we have had lumpiness in the results in the 10 to 11 timeframe, we had four quarters about the trend line followed by four out of five quarters below the trend line and one on the trend line. So it’s within the – within the range of normal variation..

Unidentified Analyst

Great. Just one last question, recently we’ve seen another dip in oil and oil related names recently. Can you provide us any color around your exposure to the energy sector in the investment portfolio..

Dwayne Hallman

Sure. This is Dwayne. As far as our exposure to the energy names and I will include energy utilities, natural gas kind of the whole components we still having that portfolio about $50 million unrealized gain. We have gone through our portfolio and I believe I mentioned it on our last quarterly call. We went through and stressed oil prices.

It significantly depressed levels much, much lower than we got – to determine if we had any unusual exposure could anticipate any expected defaults, potential defaults based on a sustained oil price level. And I would say materially below 50.

We reacted and made a few trades in our portfolio based on an information where we sit today and our continued view that oil prices will remain lower. We are confident with the holdings that we do have..

Unidentified Analyst

All right. Great. That’s all I had. Thanks very much for taking my question today..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thank you..

Dwayne Hallman

Sure..

Operator

Our next question is comes from the line of Sean Dargan with Macquarie. Please go ahead with your questions..

Sean Dargan

Thanks and good morning. I have a question of how to think of your book value in your capital, gap book value as reported as fairly moved over the last year and I think you comment that’s because the unrealized gain position as contracted as interest rates have reason a little and spreads of what not a bit.

And is that safe to assume that that shrinking of the unrealized gain position comes from assets back in life liabilities primarily..

Dwayne Hallman

Hi, this is Dwayne. Yes, if you look at our portfolio obviously it’s predominantly a life and annuity portfolio.

And that’s as you would guess where the unrealized gains sits so on the life company side, very, very different from P&C only company as we are not managing the life and annuity, liabilities or ALM, et cetera based on the unrealized gain or loss position of the book. Our book is very solid its very persistent, its not half money.

So even in lot of our stress scenarios we don’t assume that there is going to be a run on the bank or if we going back to the financial stress of ‘08 and ‘09 persistency for us actually went up a bit and didn’t see the stress. So we are more than confident.

We can manage through any changes on unrealized gains and losses as it relates to the life and annuity portfolio.

On the P&C side, we don’t run a big equity portfolios of unrealized gain there, really tends to be in the – obviously in the bond portfolio, primarily in the mini [ph] portfolio and as you could probably track from our trading activity, one of the traders in the mini [ph] portfolio either.

But your assumption was absolutely correct it’s primarily all in the life company portfolio..

Unidentified Analyst

All right, and then if I can follow-up, when the rating agencies like your statuary capital, would I be correct to assume that your P&C stack capital is unaffected by changes in unrealized gains on the life side? I mean do they look you holistically, I mean, I’m just trying to figure out what kind of impact does this has in the way that they think about your capital?.

Dwayne Hallman

From a capital perspective if you look at any of the rating agency formulas was their stress test, if you look at A.M. Best and BCAR our ratings are not supported at all based on unrealized gains or losses.

And especially on the P&C side, and probably what it might be alluding to is on the P&C side, some companies due to leverage up their writing based on unrealized gains that might be in their portfolio.

That’s not our view, nor if we ever taking that view, because as rates moves, or as equity markets move obviously that leverage get compound substantially, if that was once approached.

But from a capital perspective and our ratings – with all the rating agencies, the capital position has never been an area of question [indiscernible] and our rating levels are – as I would say even ratings level is above where we are. It’s a solid capital level..

Unidentified Analyst

Got it and if I can just turn to the annuity segment, last quarter, I think, I asked about the DOL fiduciary to the requirement and I’m wondering if your thoughts have changed three months later. And I’m also wondering what kind of perhaps added compliance spend you would need to make sure that you’re compliant with these regulations.

I’m wondering what kind of compliance infrastructure you have now and if you think that would be adequate to allow you to comply with whatever finalized rules are coming down the pack?.

Matt Sharpe Executive Vice President of Supplemental & Group Benefits and Corporate Strategy

John it’s Matt. As you think about the DOL, you kind of just step back and think about our overall strategy for solving the need of the K-12 public educators. And it’s primarily along three lines, savings for retirement, primarily 403(b) [ph] which is non-ERISA [ph] segment to the market.

Protecting level on life insurance and then managing the risk through auto home and liability in build area. So we would have a broad, multiline relationship strategy, unlike many, model lines, and as you might find out there.

So 403(b)s [ph] are not part of the regulatory proposal in our view, because it’s non-ERISA [ph] plan, that’s our interpretation of it.

And given our exclusive distribution for us to close relationships we have with our homogenous segment of educator customers I think we’re well positioned to take advantage of any regulatory change and quite frankly we’re used to working in a highly regulated environment and believe we have the infrastructure to modify our business model if necessary on a go forward basis.

But there is really, if choosing to tell as almost every vendor will tell you the same answer that I’m giving you, as we see more detailing merge and see whether the proposal is likely to be implemented, I will be able to give you much a tighter answer..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes, I would just add, Matt absolutely right, from my perspective.

I’m very impressed, how in front of this we are the first half of the talent we have got here Matt’s leadership, and its been a very thoughtful approach and somewhere in your question you are including the size of the company and I think that’s a right thing to think about, but I will tell you per capital from our size, I stack this up against the big guys as far as thoughtful approach of thinking through this.

As well as the insulation to some extent our book has not only because of our approach as Matt said, but because of the type of customers that we serve..

Unidentified Analyst

Great, thanks..

Marita Zuraitis President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yes..

Operator

Thank you. This concludes today’s question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back to Mr. Ryan Greenier for closing remarks..

Ryan Greenier Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer & Chief Investment Officer

Thank you, Brenda. And thanks to all for joining us this morning on Horace Mann’s second quarter earnings call. As always Kristi and I will available for additional questions so don't hesitate to reach out to us. Thanks..

Operator

This concludes today's teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and thank you for your participation..

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