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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q2
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Executives

Mark LaBay - SVP, Strategic Development and Investor Relations Michael D. Rumbolz - President and CEO Randy L. Taylor - CFO and EVP Juliet A. Lim - EVP, Payments and Corporate Secretary Dean A. Ehrlich - EVP and Gaming Business Leader.

Analysts

John Davis - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company George Sutton - Craig-Hallum Capital Group David Katz - Telsey Advisory Group Todd Eilers - Eilers & Krejcik Gaming David Hargreaves - Stifel, Nicolaus.

Operator

Please standby. Good day and welcome to the Everi Holdings Incorporated Second Quarter 2017 Earnings Conference Call. Today's conference is being recorded. At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Mark Labay, Senior Vice President, Strategic Development and Investor Relations. Please go ahead sir. .

Mark LaBay

Thank you and welcome to the call. Joining me today are President and Chief Executive Officer, Mike Rumbolz; Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, Randy Taylor; Executive Vice President and Payments Business Leader, Julie Lim; and Executive Vice President and Games Business Leader, Dean Ehrlich.

Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that the Safe Harbor disclaimer in our public documents covers this call and our webcast.

Some of the comments to be made during this call contain forward-looking statements and assumptions that are subject to risks and uncertainties, including, but not limited to, those contained in our SEC filings, all of which are posted within the Investor Relations of our corporate website.

These events could cause actual results to differ materially from those described in our forward-looking statements and they should not be considered an indication of future performance. We do not intend and assume no obligation to update any forward-looking statements.

You are cautioned not to place undue reliance on forward-looking statements which speak only as of today. In addition, this call may refer to certain non-GAAP measures, such as adjusted EBITDA and adjusted EBITDA margin.

We reference these non-GAAP measures because management uses them, in part, to manage the business and to enhance investor understanding of the underlying trends in our business and to provide better comparability between periods in different years.

We also make certain compensation decisions based, in part, on our operating performance as measured by adjusted EBITDA. And our credit facility requires us to comply with a consolidated secured leverage ratio that includes performance metrics similar to adjusted EBITDA.

For a full reconciliation of these non-GAAP measures to GAAP results, please see our earnings press release and related Form 8-K, both of which have been filed with the SEC and are available on our corporate website within the section captioned Investors.

Finally, this call is being webcast which may also be accessed within the Investor Relations section of our corporate website and a replay of the call will be archived. With that I'm pleased to introduce our President and Chief Executive Officer, Mike Rumbolz..

Michael D. Rumbolz

Thank you Mark and good afternoon everyone and thank you for joining us. Before I begin today I would like to welcome Julie and Dean and thank them for being with us on the call.

I believe that this was a good time for us to have them here with us since this is the time of year that many of you have expressed interest in what you should expect to see from Everi at G2E.

Turning to the business at hand though, this afternoon we reported solid 2017 second quarter results which include revenue of 242.2 million and adjusted EBITDA of 54.1 million. This represents year-over-year revenue growth of 13% and year-over-year adjusted EBITDA growth of 6%.

Based on the continued momentum in our business and the strength of our operating results for the first half of 2017, together with our expectations for these to continue as we progress through the second half of 2017 this afternoon we raised our outlook for full year adjusted EBITDA to a higher range of 209 million to 212 million.

The progress that we're making in the business and our improved financial performance over the last five quarters is partly as a result of the increased investments that we've made in our operations. But, is primarily a testament to our team's efforts and ongoing success in executing against a defined set of strategic operating initiatives.

Across the organization our team of dedicated employees continues to do the day to day work that benefits the business in the near-term and sets us up for both medium and longer-term success. Our employees recognize the value that is created by focusing on the details.

Seemingly small changes in our procurement, manufacturing, and assembly processes have led to enhanced efficiencies and reduce costs. Improved collaboration among game designers and hardware and platform specialists have led to unique new features and new products segments within our games.

Better understanding of our payments customers operations has opened up a dialogue leading to a new opportunity for expanding our engagement with our casino customers. This day to day focus is a clear example of how we are working in every possible way to improve our business.

This method continues to prove its effectiveness through our operating results.

And even though I believe that we're only in the early stages of achieving the wide scale success that this company is capable of, it is clear to me that the changes that we have made in our business over the last 15 months have established a very solid foundation for continued growth.

I'll start my review of the Payment segment by indicating that just as it did in the first quarter, payments is performing at a very high level. We had an extremely strong quarter specifically as you look at the year-over-year performance.

Importantly, the growth that we're achieving in the business including a year-over-year increase of over 17% in the adjusted EBITDA is not dependent on any one singular growth driver.

In fact our payment segment performance is resulting from our execution upon a broad base of strategic initiatives as well as the overall positive growth trends that the gaming industry is experiencing in North America.

Some of the factors that drove the year-over-year improvement this quarter include the ongoing positive macro economic trends which fuel same store growth. Our ability to win new business at casinos that opened in the second half of 2016 and early 2017.

Our solid track record of retaining contract renewals as well as winning new business as a result of competitive takeouts and increases in surcharge and service fees charged to patrons. We've also seen incremental gains from our Everi compliant sales.

As we indicated, back on our 2016 fourth quarter call, the work that we completed throughout 2016 to educate our customers on the value and benefit of our compliance products set us up to achieve solid revenue growth in 2017 as customers annual capital budgets were refreshed.

In fact compliance related revenue was up 52% in the first half of the year compared to the first half of 2016. This provides more proof that our focus is yielding tangible results. Over the balance of 2017 we expect our payments segment will continue to grow on a year-over-year basis.

We do face a tougher comparison to prior year revenue in several parts of the payments business over the second half of the year. This includes our compliance and kiosk sales and our cash access business as we lap new business wins that occurred late in 2016.

We will continue to grow but we do not expect to see the same mid to high double-digit levels that we experienced in the first half of the year. That said we expect that the ongoing innovation in our products suite as well as our commitment to customer service will continue to further separate Everi from our competitors.

As the Payments leader in the gaming industry, we continue to increase our market share which along with positive gaming revenue trends has resulted in our continued outperformance in this segment.

We believe that we can continue to gain market share and that there are compelling near-term catalysts for further growth in the broader gaming market including the potential for regulated sports betting across the U.S. and expansion of real money online gaming, and regulated wagering on eSports.

We are closely monitoring recent and ongoing consolidation in the broader payments industry in order to identify and evaluate both internal and external opportunities that will create additional value for our shareholders.

Turning to our Games segment, we had another solid quarter with revenue and adjusted EBITDA essentially in line with the prior year. An 8% or 67 unit increase in Game sales was offset by a decline in our gaming operations revenue.

This decline reflects a slightly lower installed base at the end of the quarter and a year-over-year decline in the average daily win per unit. There should be no surprise at this point that we have been challenged in our gaming operations business by the ongoing removal of older, third party Class III games from a customer's facilities in Oklahoma.

At the end of 2014, just after we completed the acquisition of Multimedia Games we had 2,340 third party Class III units with this customer. As of June 30, 2017 we no longer have any third party Class III units with this customer.

Now while we replaced a large percentage of these units with our own Class II games, we still experienced a net decline of approximately 1000 games at this large Oklahoma customer. Despite the net loss of a 1000 units since the beginning of 2015, our total installed base has declined by only 400 units.

This illustrates our ability to continue to grow across the rest of our portfolio and with the support of our new product introduction we expect to see increases in our installed base throughout the rest of this year and beyond.

In this afternoon's press release we highlighted a significant development that I believe removes the uncertainty surrounding potential further pullback in our installed base in Oklahoma and also further strengthens our foundation for future growth in our installed base.

We recently entered into an agreement with our largest customer in Oklahoma to secure the long-term placement of approximately 4,300 Class II games for a period of just under seven years.

This new agreement replaces multiple placement fee arrangements previously in effect with this customer, a large portion of these placement fee arrangements at a remaining term of less than one year.

This agreement demonstrates both the level of confidence our customer has in our long-term product roadmap and our ability to deliver a great gaming entertainment experience to their patrons. It also highlights the strength of the partnership that we have with this important long-term customer.

With this agreement almost a third of our installed base is now under a long-term placement arrangement which provides for greater visibility into future recurring revenue and adjusted EBITDA. Now Randy will review some of the details around the cash flow implications of these placement fees in just a few moments.

The removal of the third party Class III units from our installed base in Oklahoma not only put pressure on our installed base unit count but was also a major factor in the decline in our overall yield or daily win per unit. The positive news on the daily win per unit front is that the downward decline in our yield has slowed significantly.

In fact the year-over-year decline experienced in the second quarter is at its smallest level in the last three quarters.

Clearly the investments we've made in our development teams and the excellent work being performed by our game designers to create compelling Class II and Class III content has begun to mitigate the financial challenge caused by these unit removals.

We're very happy to move past this dynamic and look forward to returning to growth in our daily win per unit in our installed base. In the guidance section of our press release this afternoon we indicated that we expected our installed base to grow in the second half of the year.

We also indicated that we expect the revenue generated from the installed base portion of gaming operations in the second half of the year will exceed the revenue generated from the installed base portion of our gaming operations in the first half of the year.

This will be the result of continuing our successful rollout of premium products such as the wide-area progressive and our licensed and branded game content like Casablanca, Penn & Teller, and Fruit Ninja. These initiatives as well as continuing to grow in high revenue markets are all expected to drive improvements in our daily win per unit.

Now these growth expectations are based on a number of items including a larger library of game content for our Core HDX cabinet and the benefits that we're seeing from some of the hardware innovations introduced last year at G2E.

It also includes the success we're achieving in our premium games including our recently introduced wide-area progressive which now features three licensed titles including the Casablanca video game that was introduced in June and will have a fourth title Penn & Teller which will be released later in the third quarter.

As of today we have over 200 units deployed in our installed base that are connected to our wide-area progressive. While it’s still early I'm very pleased with the performance of our license titles since so far they've exceeded our internal expectations.

In late July we launched our Casablanca themed game into Class III markets with a targeted introduction at multiple locations of a single major commercial casino company. This major casino company will provide targeted marketing to their patron base to help us successfully launch these games at their properties.

We expect to have a similar launch strategy with Penn & Teller later this quarter with the second major commercial casino operator. Each casino operator will be the first in their markets to offer these games to the public.

The positive outlook for both our gaming operations and gaming equipment sales business is driven by our continuing evolution into a full service gaming equipment provider. This includes new products such as the Jackpot Lockdown wide-area progressive, new games for the Core HDX cabinet, and our new licensed premium and for sale games.

We expect these and other products to drive full year improvement in unit sales for 2017 of approximately 12% to 15% more than 2016. We also expect the revenue from gaming operations in the second half of the year to increase in comparison to the first half of the year.

As I noted in our Payments segment, at this year's G2E our game segment will also debut new games and cabinets that will showcase our level of innovation and ability to provide casinos the highest levels of gaming entertainment for their patrons.

We’re well positioned for what I expect will be a multi-year path of growth in gaming unit sales, our installed base, and daily win per unit. With that I'll turn the call over to Randy. .

Randy L. Taylor

Thank you Mike and good afternoon everyone. For the second quarter of 2017 total revenues were 242.2 million comprised of 55.1 million in games segment revenues and 187.1 million in payment segment revenues. Games revenue was essentially in line with the year ago period and payments revenue increased approximately 17% year-over-year.

Adjusted EBITDA for the second quarter of 2017 increased 2.9 million or 6% to 54.1 million. Adjusted EBITDA for the games segment was 29.2 million compared to 30 million a year ago and adjusted EBITDA for the payment segment was 24.9 million compared to 21.2 million last year.

In our game segment gaming operations revenue decreased 3% year-over-year to 37.5 million. Decline primarily reflects a lower daily win per unit of $27.07 compared to $28.22 in the second quarter of 2016. As well as a slightly lower installed base at June 30th of 12,942 units down 237 units year-over-year.

Mike discussed the daily win per unit decline was primarily driven by the removal of higher performing third party Class III units.

The replacement of a portion of those units with our Class II units partially offsetting the daily win per unit decline with an improvement in yields, the ongoing growth of our premium games, as well as expansion from installations of both our non-Oklahoma Class II units and Class III units.

We expect a pressure on our daily win per unit is largely behind us now.

We expect to see a larger benefit from the yielding -- the higher yielding games in our growing premium installed base footprint and improvements in our non-premium participation yield reflecting the benefit of new games and improving performance for certain games due to some unique hardware innovations that we introduced last year.

As a result we expect the daily win per unit for the third quarter will be in line with last year's performance. In the fourth quarter we expect the yield to match the prior year partial growth. Our installed base declined 237 units year-over-year and declined 80 units on a quarterly sequential basis to 12,942 units at quarter-end.

Of approximately 1100 third party Class III games removed over the last year, we replaced almost 70% with our own Class II games. And of approximately 250 such units removed during the quarter, we replaced close to 85% with our own Class II units.

Our remaining 780 third party Class III units performed on par with the rest of our installed base in Oklahoma. At this time we do not expect any material removal of these remaining third party Class III games. Also our premium game installed base was up 277 units year-over-year by a 165 units on a quarterly sequential basis.

We expect this will be an ongoing area of growth in terms of both our installed base and our daily win per unit going forward. Revenues from electronic game sales rose 2.1 million or 13% to 17.6 million for the second quarter.

So, 886 units at an average selling price of 17,613 compared to the 819 units sold in the second quarter of last year at an average price of 17,722. Our Core HDX cabinet comprised approximately 70% of unit sales in the quarter and our average selling price per unit remains at the higher end of the publicly reported industry level.

Overall adjusted EBITDA margin for the game segment was 53% from the 2017 second quarter compared to 55% in the prior year period with the prior year period having a higher mix of higher margin gaming operations revenue.

For our Payment segment the second quarter represented the fifth consecutive quarter which we have grown both revenue and adjusted EBITDA. 17% year-over-year increase in revenues to 187.1 million includes double-digit growth from our cash advance and ATM revenues and a strong quarter for the compliance revenues.

Cash advance and ATM revenue benefited from new casino openings and several new agreements as a result of competitive takeouts. The quarter also marked the 11th consecutive quarter of same growth -- of same store growth in both transactions and dollars processed.

ATM revenue experienced further growth from surcharge increases initiated by several large corporate casino customers and expansion of ATM services into Canada for the first time at 29 properties. Overall adjusted EBITDA margin for the Payment segment was 13% for both the second quarter of 2017 and 2016.

Compliance revenue had another quarter of solid revenue growth and sales and service revenue related to our fully integrated kiosks were up slightly in the second quarter of 2017 compared to the prior year quarter.

Compliance revenue for the first half of 2017 is up over 50% from the same period last year and we believe this is indicative of growing interest in our compliance products as customers increasingly need AML and tax compliance solutions.

The mood of the balance sheet reflect the refinancing we completed in May, long-term debt was 1.17 billion, we had no amounts outstanding under our revolving credit facility as of June 30, 2017. Our weighted average interest rate on our outstanding debt obligations at June 30th was approximately 7%.

During the second quarter we had no payments due on our new term loan beginning with the third quarter of 2017 we will have required quarterly payments on our term loan of approximately 2.1 million. As of June 30th, the outstanding balance of ATM cash utilized by us from our Wells Fargo Cash Solution agreement was approximately 259.2 million.

We will briefly review the refinancing transaction we completed in the second quarter. Part of that transaction we refinanced 335 million in aggregate principal on our former senior secured notes, entire outstanding balance under our first lean term loan of approximately 462.3 million, and our former 50 million revolving credit facility.

To replace those obligations with an 820 million first lean term loan that matures in May 2024 and a 35 million revolving credit facility that matures in May 2022.

Both have a spring maturity feature that would accelerate the maturity to three or four months inside of the existing senior unsecured notes if these notes have not been refinanced before their stated January 2022 maturity date. The new first lien term loan carries an interest rate of LIBOR plus 450 basis points with a 1% LIBOR floor.

This represents a 75 basis point reduction from the former term loan LIBOR spread and almost 175 basis point benefit to the fixed rate provided by the former senior secured notes. Based upon the interest rates in effect during the second quarter, we expect this rate reduction will result in approximately 8 million of annual cash interest savings.

Our consolidated secured leverage ratio at June 30th, was 3.67 times adjusted EBITDA compared to a maximum senior leverage of 5 times adjusted EBITDA. Our improving financial results and are lower cash interest are expected to drive improved cash flow generation, we expect to prioritize for leverage reduction.

We need to monitor the debt markets and the trading levels of our debt.

Our recent financial results and future expectations of continuing strength in our financial results may provide us with near-term opportunities to further reduce our interest costs under the new term loan, as well as the potential to refinance our unsecured notes at a lower interest rate sometime in the future.

Capital expenditures in the second quarter were approximately 26.5 million.

Game segment capital expenditures were approximately 23.8 million of which approximately 15.7 million was associated with replacement units of our existing installed base, new expansion units into our installed base, and trial units not yet converted to either an installed base unit or a sold unit.

CAPEX for our Payment segment was 2.7 million for the quarter. The first half of 2017 CAPEX is 46.7 million with games capital expenditures of 42.8 million which includes 3 million in placement fees and Payments CAPEX of 3.9 million. As noted in Mike's remarks we have updated our outlook for 2017 adjusted EBITDA.

Our new full year expectation for adjusted EBITDA is now 209 million to 212 million. Let me provide a few key updates on our expectations and certain metrics. We continue to expect full year unit sales will grow year-over-year between 12% and 15%.

Unit sales growth of over 50% for the first half of the year benefited in part from an easy comparison in the first quarter of 2016 as well as a strong level of sales into a new casino opening in the first quarter of 2017. Our comparison for the second half of the year becomes a little more challenging.

First, I want to remind everyone that with the timing of G2E we typically sell fewer units in the third quarter as compared to the fourth quarter. Also recall that in the third quarter last year we sold 200 units to a single customer in Canada which was our largest shipment to a single customer in one quarter.

The fourth quarter of 2016 we also benefited from the sale of approximately 170 units to several other new casino openings in New York and Maryland. We do not expect to see this level of comparable casino openings in the second half of 2017.

Excluding the impact of the prior year sale to the single customer in Canada and these large new property opening sales in 2016, we would expect our 2017 unit sales in the second half of the year to exceed 2016 unit sales. Our gaming operations, we expect that our installed base will grow sequentially from the ending unit count on June 30th.

We expect that the amounts of our year-over-year decline in daily win per unit will continue to be reduced in the third quarter and then for the fourth quarter we expect a daily win per unit will be in line with or greater than the prior year performance.

It would be a significant result for us as daily win per unit has declined year-over-year for six consecutive quarters primarily due to the impact of the significant removals of higher performing third party Class III units from the installed base.

Sequential growth in the installed base combined with improving daily win per unit from continued growth and expansion of our wide-area progressive and new licensed and branded content like Casablanca and Penn & Teller are expected to drive improved revenue performance and as a result, total revenues generated from the installed base in the second half of 2017 should exceed the revenue recorded for the first half of the year.

I would also like to remind everyone that our Annual National TournEvent of Champions event occurred in the third quarter of 2016 but due to the timing of G2E this year, that event will occur in the fourth quarter of 2017.

As such approximately 3 million in revenue from our TournEvent of Champions will be recorded in the fourth quarter of 2017 as compared to the third quarter of 2016. The impact on adjusted EBITDA should not be material to either periods. We expect the Payment segments -- the Payment segment will grow on a year-over-year basis for the balance of 2017.

As the new openings or competitive take outs begin to lap their initial installation, we expect to see the accelerated quarterly growth in revenue that we have been experiencing in the first half of 2017 to begin to slow.

With the initial installation of our ATM portfolio into Canada as well as some new property openings late in 2016 and early 2017, we expect to see revenue growth slightly higher than the growth in gross gaming revenues.

The second half of 2017 we expect this revenue growth to be in the mid single-digits, adjusted EBITDA to be in the lower single-digits as compared to the second half of 2016.

Interest expense for the full year will be approximately 95 million to 97 million which includes interest on our Vault Cash of 4 million to 5 million and approximately 6 million in non-cash amortization of capitalized interest costs.

We have raised the range in our expected full year capital expenditures from the prior range of 85 million to 95 million to a new range of 95 million to 105 million. The change is primarily driven by the 10 million in new placement fees paid in the early part of the third quarter of 2017 pursuant to the new player station agreement.

In addition we now expect that CAPEX related to refreshment or replacement of units in the installed base is expected to be between 45 million and 48 million in 2017.

This increase from previous expectations is due to higher costs incurred to refresh older units, the placement of third party Class III units, and the installation of a new WAP units which includes additional signage and related hardware.

Revised CAPEX also includes the potential for new unit placements of approximately $3 million occurring late in the fourth quarter of 2017 related to a new casino opening expected in early 2018.

Looking a little farther out on the impact of a newer player station agreement, we will also begin to make quarterly cash payments to this customer beginning in January 2018 that will total approximately 22.3 million for 2018 and 16.7 million for 2019 following which there will be several years with no additional placement fee payments for these units.

While these placement fees will have an impact on our short-term free cash flow generation, we will be signing a new agreement for 4,300 units for a period of just under seven years to provide stability to our installed base that few competitors can match and provide visibility for a significant source of long-term recurring revenue and adjusted EBITDA.

With that I will now turn it back to the operator for questions. .

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions]. We will go first to John Davis with Stifel. .

John Davis

Hey, good afternoon guys. Yes Randy, first I want to start on the Payments business. I guess it makes sense to start on the top line so revenue, I think on last quarter's call you said you expected it to decelerate from 16%.

We actually saw a sequential improvement and now you're calling for fairly substantial deceleration for the back half of the year, maybe just some color on that and what's driving that?.

Randy L. Taylor

Like I said, I think the one thing was we just really didn't know how much [indiscernible] would impact us in Q2 John. So, we could pick that up in April, probably didn't factor in how much that would really continue to push the payments revenue side.

So look, we’ve done our forecasting out through the second half of the year, we will have start to lap some of the takeouts we took out last year and some of the properties that come on. So -- and I also think we'll see a little bit -- you won't see quite the growth that we saw in the first half in both compliance and kiosks.

So that will offset it a little bit. So, look I think it's still the mid to maybe push up a little higher than mid but I still think that you'll see a deceleration.

I admit I was wrong, I don't mind being wrong on the low end on a good quarter but, I just don't want people to think that 17% is something that will continue on in the second half of the year..

John Davis

Okay, that's helpful and then maybe just touch on the margin. I think again it continues to defy gravity a little bit. Obviously the margin was really strong in the back half of last year, I think 13.2 by my math.

So just head back to the 13% range or I think previously you’d said somewhere between 12% and 13% but can this hover closer to 13%?.

Randy L. Taylor

I think it will hover close to 13% but I think it could come a little under. Again the compliance revenue was strong in the first half and that's got even a better margin in it John. So I still think we'll be somewhere between 12% and 13% and again I was surprised at coming in at 13% overall.

But I still think it'll hover somewhere in that neighborhood..

John Davis

Okay, Mike maybe talk a little bit about this new agreement the way I look at the biggest positive of the quarter.

How does this 4300 units compare to the number of units you had currently with this customer and what kind of drove the change obviously I think it was probably less than a year ago when you renegotiated this deal previously, so what drove the extension and the term and also the placement fees?.

Michael D. Rumbolz

Well, first of all you should know that somewhere around 4300 is the number that we settled on after we removed all of our Class III and replaced as much as we could with our Class II. So there was no magic to that number. That's the number we settled in at with this customer.

Randy actually started negotiating last year with them to try and get the placement arrangement fees to some sort of an annual sort of cadence across the multiple agreements that we had and the customer actually reached out to us this year and offered the 83 month agreement with the payments laid out on a quarterly basis in the first year and a half or a year and three quarters and then no payments after that.

And after we had several discussions back and forth and we were happy to take them up on that. .

Dean A. Ehrlich

John, this is Dean. We had offers we had help from really our head of sales and he helped a lot -- helped me a lot with this and I think everybody to understand is that normally you don't get payments but we were able to structure something just to try to lock-in the 83 months while there is a little bit of an extension of the payments..

John Davis

Okay, well that’s helpful.

And then a last one for me, potential refi Randy just I think he talked a little bit on the call, just remind me I think 350 million potentially callable in January, is there any scenario where you could do that before then and any idea on potential savings on that piece?.

Randy L. Taylor

We haven't quantified the savings. Sorry I would say two things, even the recent 820 million had a six month soft call so that’s -- and we closed that deal in early May. And you are right, the 350, the first -- the May quarter [ph] is over and so in January I think it's 7.5% premium to call them. So, we continue to do the numbers and watch the market.

It really just depends on what kind of rate can we get if we can do that. So, I again want to make sure everybody realizes that it's the highest thing on my priority, Mike's got me laser focused. We continue to watch it and we see what some of our competitors have just recently done in the market. So we're watching it..

John Davis

Alright, thanks guys..

Randy L. Taylor

Thank you, John..

Operator

We'll take our next question from George Sutton with Craig-Hallum..

George Sutton

Apologies, thank you. You did discuss a little bit of the macro tailwind. I wondered if you could get a little more specific in terms of what you're seeing.

Obviously other vendors on calls have suggested the same macro tailwind and also that the cash flows at the casinos are getting a little better and they're starting to open up the purse strings a little bit, just wondered if you can go into more detail?.

Randy L. Taylor

I mean, are you saying on the game side on the game side George..

George Sutton

On the game side. .

Michael D. Rumbolz

Oh, yeah. George lets have, I would like Dean to maybe respond to that for you. .

Dean A. Ehrlich

So, good afternoon George. Real quick to respond, I would tell you that customer sentiment is probably pretty lateral than what it's been for the last year or so. It's kind of leveled out so the uncertainty of whether capital be allocated and whether the ebbs and flows would be a bigger range I think it's kind of gone away.

So, I think from that side it is positive. So as suppliers we could have a pretty meaningful comfort level that we know what the pie kind of looks like overall across purchasable units from our customer base..

George Sutton

Okay, appreciate that and also on G2E coming up soon, can you just give us a general sense of what you are going to look like to someone like us looking from the outside relative to last year at the show?.

Dean A. Ehrlich

I would tell you we're going to -- I am very optimistic. I mean I believe that this is going to be one of our best showing that we had as a company right and for a couple reasons. You are going to see new hardware form factors both on the product sell side and on the premium side.

We're just going to see much more elaborate hardware I would say than you have seen in years past. We know how good last year was without going too much because obviously you got to get to the show and see it and we are not going to disclose everything on the call.

But I would tell you in the greatest amount of confidence that we're going to have an outstanding show this year. .

George Sutton

Perfect, Randy given the consolidation you've done of your manufacturing, can you give us any sense of limitations or potential incremental benefits that you get as you start to scale up your gaming units?.

Randy L. Taylor

Look George, we're not concerned about the consolidation. We believe we have plenty of capacity in Austin where we manufacture or I would say assemble. And so I'm not concerned and I don't think -- Dean would say the same thing. I don’t want to speak for him but I don’t think we have any concern. We think we can meet whatever demand comes our way.

We can add shifts, we haven't even got to that point and so I hope that to be a problem we have very soon..

George Sutton

Right, gotcha. Randy at the beginning of Q&A you started to apologize for a good quarter, you never need to apologize for a good quarter. .

Randy L. Taylor

Really, no I didn't mean to if I did. [Multiple Speaker] I was apologizing for being beat up that I was too low into my projections for the next quarter. So I didn't mean it that way. I think it's a fantastic quarter just that I never -- I'm always wrong so it doesn’t make any difference. .

George Sutton

Thanks guys..

Randy L. Taylor

Thanks George..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. We will take our next question to David Katz from Telsey Group. .

David Katz

Hi, afternoon everyone. .

Michael D. Rumbolz

Hey David. .

David Katz

So, I think in your commentary Mike you may have mentioned that there's a couple of hundred of the Class II progressive games out there.

Can you give us a little bit of perspective around how accretive those are to the installed base and how well they're earning so far?.

Michael D. Rumbolz

Actually I'm going to turn that over to Dean with a caution that we -- as you know David we never reveal the actual dollar amounts we are doing but we certainly can give you some idea of the scale difference between units that are wide-area progressive. .

David Katz

Yeah, a qualitative answer would be great..

Dean A. Ehrlich

If I can think how to frame this thing without getting in too much trouble here. But I would say a wide-area progressive on a same store basis that we have out there is about a three to one to a standard bread and butter game that's at a similar location.

That's the best I can do for you without throwing much more but I’ll give you a little bit of a color behind it. It has exceeded our expectations. The longevity so far I mean it's been out for almost three months. And it's holding on, the legs are there.

We haven't seen any degradation yet from that standpoint and we're really just starting to get into the meat of the launch right now and if it plays true throughout the rest of the installation universe then we should be feeling pretty good about it..

David Katz

Right and can I ask the same question around the premium Class III that you're putting out there?.

Randy L. Taylor

Those are a little early in the cycle I think David for us to give you -- I mean I think we're happy with the numbers right now but I wouldn’t want to base the little time we have them out in the market as any kind of a projection. It's been a couple of weeks since it has all been out at this point.

And we haven’t started really the targeted marketing campaigns that will be coming on later in the quarter on both of our license brands and I would expect that provides -- should provide even greater....

Michael D. Rumbolz

That’s in response to the entire cabinet being launch which is what our Class II wide-area progressive first real license brand on that particular line..

David Katz

So I hear.

Randy where are those 10% notes trading currently?.

Randy L. Taylor

They're like at 108 I think, so they're in that 107 to 108. So they're trading right in there at the premium. So….

David Katz

Hanging in the balance. Okay..

Randy L. Taylor

I think everybody is thinking a lot in that direction. .

David Katz

Right.

And if you were at my desk looking at your model and thinking about what a CAPEX notion could be for next year, is there anything in this year's that sort of a one timeish in nature or vice versa or what issue should I be thinking about for CAPEX for next year?.

Randy L. Taylor

So I would say two things; one, I kind of laid out that with the placement fees the way that staggers out it's a big number in 2018 at about 20 million. Now in our number this year we've got about 20 million, let’s say 22 million, we've got about 13.

So, there's kind of on a delta of 10 but I would also say that look we've replaced all the third party games at this major customer so I expect that will come down. So I'm expecting some of the normal maintenance to come down some.

So, I again haven’t done our budgets for next year, not really giving you what that is but I think you got one delta going the one way and I think we have some other items going the other way. But, look if the WAPs take off and everything starts performing well, all bets drop but that’s what I look at the high level pluses and minuses..

David Katz

Okay, thanks very much. .

Michael D. Rumbolz

Thanks David, take care..

Operator

And we'll take our next question from Todd Eilers with Eilers & Krejcik Gaming..

Todd Eilers

Hey guys, thanks for taking my question. Wanted to ask a follow up on the Chickasaw agreement. You guys, obviously the number of games ex the third party removal stays the same.

Obviously, extended the term and did you guys give or maybe you can say what the total amount of placement fees are for that agreement including the 10 million plus the additional quarterly payments?.

Randy L. Taylor

It's overall it's about 59 million but the issue is you had some unamortized piece. So we get credit for a piece of that. So if you take the dollars that we're paying out now, again it's about 22.3 plus a 16.7 and a 10 is 49 but to get to the full period we had some placement fees already in place.

So in general we've always said that it's about -- it's in the same as was always in the past which is about 2000 per unit per year. .

Todd Eilers

Okay, that's helpful and then are there any material changes to the rate on the new agreement?.

Randy L. Taylor

No, so basically it's consistent with what we had before. Stay longer extended period of time..

Todd Eilers

Okay and then how does this new arrangement impact if at all the accretion of contract rights, do we need to maybe be modeling in an increase or decrease there, how should we be thinking about that?.

Randy L. Taylor

It should be pretty close, it should be pretty close because we had as Mike said pretty much renewed the full complement that we had. At the end of June it will be fairly close to that number or you take that 59 number over 83 months and it will get you pretty close to the same thing on a monthly basis. .

Todd Eilers

Okay, perfect and then wanted to ask on game sales, can you say how many TournEvent sales you had or what percent was for the quarter?.

Randy L. Taylor

I thought I had in the release. Sorry, we didn’t share how many events it was. .

Michael D. Rumbolz

We started as you know Todd we started to back away from broadcast in TournEvent sales as a percentage of our overall sales only because we have such a -- a much larger mix of products now that is becoming less important as a single -–.

Randy L. Taylor

It’s still double digits. Its less than 20 but more than 10, how's that somewhere in that neighborhood. Again to Mike's point I am trying not to -- I don't want people to focus so we’re just turning it because we’re not. But I would say in that range double digit for the quarter..

Todd Eilers

Okay, that's helpful. And then also wanted to ask, the last couple of quarters you guys had mentioned your mechanical real product being a good sales driver for you.

Has that continued through the second quarter and I don't know if you can kind of share maybe how much of that kind of represents of your overall sales?.

Randy L. Taylor

Look, I think what I said was about 70% of our sales this quarter were the Core HDX and I think the majority of the remaining would be our mechanical product primarily. So I still think it's a very good product for us. I mean we do not have any other color to add to it..

Michael D. Rumbolz

I would say that the development pipeline is significant to that, right. So we extract our mechanical to be equally as big of a part as it has been and to continue that way. But Todd as you know depending on the jurisdiction stronger in certain ones versus others. So the buying cycles for those respective places come up.

It can have a flow little bit but directionally, strategically it’s a big part of our arsenal in terms of selling products..

Todd Eilers

Alright, perfect, thanks guys, appreciate it. .

Randy L. Taylor

Thanks..

Operator

Our next question will come from David Hargreaves with Stifel..

David Hargreaves

Hi, so you had some great increases in volume in the cash advances.

In the past you've given us some idea of what the trend is that you're seeing in terms of customer access and if there's any sort of regional variations that you're seeing out there, anything you could tell us about what spend looks like?.

Randy L. Taylor

Look I would say David it's pretty much across the board. I mean we saw increases in same store and obviously with the additions we had but in ATM and all cash advance. So I think it's in general running kind of towards what gross giving revenues are in that.

It looks like people are opening up their wallets a little bit more and they're taking out more cash. And so it's been consistent. We've obviously again benefited from some of the like national harbor and a couple wins that we've had in El Lani [ph] but even on top of that our same store numbers show that it's growing overall.

So it just seems like they're taking -- patrons are taking out money across the board..

David Hargreaves

I just eyeballing it myself, it looks a little stronger than the actual monthly numbers received, I'm just wondering how I'm reading it wrong?.

Michael D. Rumbolz

No, a part of that I mean you have to remember we have certain customers in each of the regional markets and there are some customers we don't have in the regional markets and in some cases what you are looking at is us having the strongest customers in that market that may have in fact grown at the expense of some of their competition. .

Randy L. Taylor

And I would think and I would say that look I think customers don't take it out just for gaming so I think if you just look at the gaming side they take out their cash for the other amenities on the casino floor.

So at the Resort or wherever they are at so again we know that they do correlate, I just can't tell you whether it's all based on just gross gaming revenue growth..

David Hargreaves

Thanks very much. Great, quarter..

Operator

Thank you for your questions. If there are no further questions at this time I'd like to turn things back to Randy Taylor for closing remarks. .

Randy L. Taylor

Thank you. I'd like to thank everybody for joining us in the call this afternoon. We also look forward to seeing many of you at G2E. And we will give a further update on Q3 in November. Talk to you soon. Thanks..

Operator

This concludes today's call. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect..

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