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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q3
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Executives

Jessica Hansen – Vice President-Investor Relations David Auld – President and Chief Executive Officer Mike Murray – Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer Bill Wheat – Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Analysts

Ken Zener – KeyBanc Stephen Kim – Barclays Stephen East – Evercore ISI Nishu Sood – Deutsche Bank Robert Wetenhall – RBC Capital Markets Eric Bosshard – Cleveland Research Company Michael Dahl – Credit Suisse Susan Maklari – UBS Jack Micenko – SAG Jade Rahmani – KBW Will Randow – Citigroup Mark Weintraub – Buckingham Research Alex Barron – Housing Research Center Buck Horne – Raymond James and Associates.

Operator

Greetings and welcome to the D.R. Horton America’s Builder, the largest builder in the United States Third Quarter 2015 Earnings Release Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a reminder this conference is being recorded.

It’s now my pleasure to introduce your host, Jessica Hansen, Vice President of Investor Relations for D. R. Horton. Please go ahead, Jessica..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, Kevin. Good morning and welcome to our call to discuss our financial results for the third quarter of fiscal 2015. Before we get started today’s call may include comments that constitute forward-looking statements, as defined by the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Although D.R.

Horton believes any such statements are based on reasonable assumptions, there is no assurance that actual outcomes will not be materially different. All forward-looking statements are based upon information available to D.R. Horton on the date of this conference call and D.R.

Horton does not undertake any obligation to publicly update or revise any forward-looking statements. Additional information about issues that could lead to material changes in performance is contained in D.R.

Horton’s annual report on Form 10-K and our most recent quarterly report on Form 10-Q, both of which are filed with the Securities and Exchange Commission. For your convenience this morning’s earnings release can be found on our website at investor.drhorton.com and we plan to file our 10-Q later today.

After the conclusion of the call we will post updated supplementary historical data on the presentation section of our investor relations site for your reference. The supplementary information which we encourage you to review includes historical data on gross margins, changes in active selling community, product mix and our mortgage operation.

Now I will turn the call over to David Auld, our President and CEO..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Thank you, Jessica and good morning. In addition to Jessica, I am pleased to be joined on this call by Mike Murray, our Executive Vice President and Chief Operating Officer; and Bill Wheat, our Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Our D.R. Horton team delivered an outstanding third quarter.

Our pre-tax income increased to $334 million on $3 billion of revenues, and our pre-tax margin improved 330 basis points to 11.3%. Our sales absorptions continue to improved during the quarter, as our homes sold increased by 22% from a year-ago on only a slight increase in active selling communities. This reflects strong performance in our core D.R.

Horton communities and growth of our Emerald Homes and Express Homes brands, which are enable us to expand our product offerings and our industry leading market share.

Our continued strategic focus is to leverage our operating platform to produce double-digit growth in both revenue and pretax profits while generating positive cash flows and increasing our returns. During the third quarter, we generated $357 million positive cash flow from operations. With a sales backlog of 12,761 homes at the end of June.

Solid sales trends in July and a well-stocked supply of land, plots and homes, we are well positioned to finish our year strong and have an even stronger 2016.

Mike?.

Mike Murray

Net income for the third quarter increased 96% to $221 million or $0.60 per diluted share, compared to $113 million or $0.32 per diluted share in the year-ago quarter. Our consolidated pre-tax income increased 94% to $334 million in the third quarter, compared to $172 million in the year-ago quarter.

And home building pre-tax income increased 90% to $302 million compared to $159 million in the prior year quarter. Our third quarter home sales revenues increased 37% to $2.9 billion on 9,856 homes closed, up from $2.1 billion on 7,676 homes closed in the year-ago quarter.

Our average closing price for the quarter was $290,000, up 7% compared to the prior year, driven primarily by an increase in our average sales price per square foot and to a lesser extent of larger average home size.

Bill?.

Bill Wheat Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

The value of our net sales orders in the third quarter increased 25% from the year-ago quarter just $3 billion. And homes sold increased 22% to 10,398 homes on 1% increase in active selling communities. Our average sales price on net sales orders in the third quarter increased 3% to $289,400.

The calculation rate for the third quarter was 22% compared to 24% in the year-ago quarter. The value of our backlog increased 15% from a year-ago to $3.7 billion with an average sales price per home of $293,400 and homes in backlog increased 12% to 12,761 homes. Our backlog conversion rate for the third quarter was 81%.

We expect our fourth quarter backlog conversion rate to be in the range of 81% to 84%, up from 76% in the fourth quarter of last year.

Jessica?.

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

We are experiencing strong growth in revenues and profitability in our D.R. Horton branded communities, which accounted for the substantial majority of our sales and closings this quarter. We also continued to be pleased with the progress and performance of our Emerald Homes and Express Homes brands.

Emerald Homes our brand for higher-end move-up and luxury communities is now available in 46 markets across 18 states. In the third quarter, homes price greater than $500,000 accounted for 16% of our home sales revenue and 7% of our homes closed.

Our Express homes brand, which is targeted at the true entry-level buyer, focused primarily on affordability, is currently being offered in 44 markets and 14 states with the significant majority of our Express sales and closings to-date coming from Texas, Florida, and the Carolina.

This quarter Express accounted for 19% of our homes sold, 16% of homes closed and 10% of home sales revenue. The average closing price in an Express Home in the third quarter was $188,000.

We are striving to be the leading builder in each of our operating markets with all three of our brands and we plan to maintain consistent broad diversity in our product offerings over the long-term.

Bill?.

Bill Wheat Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Our gross profit margin on home sales revenue in the third quarter was 19.9%, up 20 basis points from the second quarter. The consistency in our gross margin in the first three quarters of the year reflects the stability of most of our markets today and the normalization of housing market conditions we have seen over the last year.

We are raising price or reducing incentives when possible in communities where we are achieving our target absorptions and we are working to control cost increases. These factors have enabled our gross margins to stabilize within our normal historical range.

Our general gross margin expectations remain unchanged from what we have shared the past several quarters.

In the current housing environment, we continue to expect our average home sales gross margin to generally be around 20% with quarterly fluctuations that may range from 19% to 21% due to product and geographic mix and the relative impact of warranty and interest costs. As a reminder our reported gross margins include all of our interest costs.

For the upcoming fourth quarter, we expect our home sales gross margin will be consistent with our margins for the first three quarters of the year in the high 19s to 20%.

Mike?.

Mike Murray

Homebuilding SG&A expense for the quarter was $258 million, compared to $222 million in the prior year quarter. As a percentage of home building revenues our SG&A improved 160 basis points to 9% compared to 10.6% in the prior year quarter as our significant revenue increased this quarter improved our leverage of fixed overhead cost.

Based on our projected backlog conversion we expect our SG&A as a percentage of homebuilding revenues in the fourth quarter to be in the range of 8.7% to 8.9% which would be a year-over-year improvement of 100 to 120 basis points, we are very pleased that our homebuilding SG&A in fiscal 2015, will be below our longstanding targeted 10% and we believe we will further improve our SG&A leverage in fiscal 2016.

Jessica?.

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Financial services pre-tax income in the third quarter increased 140% to $31.7 million, from $13.2 million in the year-ago quarter. 88% of our mortgage company’s loan originations during the quarter related to homes closed by our homebuilding operation.

FHA and VA loans accounted for 49% of the mortgage company's volume compared to 43% in the year-ago quarter. Borrowers originating loans with our mortgage company in this quarter had an average FICO score of 716 and an average loan-to-value ratio of 89%.

Mike?.

Mike Murray

At the end of June, we had 21,200 homes in inventory, of which 1,600 were models, 9,400 were spec homes in all stages of construction and 3,600 of these specs were completed. Our construction in progress and finished homes inventory decreased by $100 million during the quarter, while our number of homes in inventory remains relatively stable.

Our completed specs declined by 12% during the quarter. Our third quarter investments in lots, land and development totaled $575 million, of which $311 million was to replenish finished lots and land while $264 million was for land development. Our residential land and lot inventory increased by $82.5 million during the quarter.

David?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

At June 30, 2015 our lot portfolio consisted of 120,000 owned lots with an additional 54,000 lots controlled through option contracts. 65,000 of our lots were finished, of which 32,000 are owned and 33,000 are options.

Our 174,000 were total loan lots owned and controlled provide us a strong competitive advantage in the current housing market, with a sufficient lot supply to supports strong growth in sales and closings in future periods.

Although our housing inventories will fluctuate if we manage each of our communities to optimized returns, we expect our land and lot inventories to remain relatively stable during the remainder of 2015 and in 2016, which will allow continued positive cash flow from operations. In the third quarter, we generated $357 million of positive cash flow.

For the nine month period ended June, we generated $189 million an improvement of $762 million from the same period in the prior year.

Bill?.

Bill Wheat Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

During the third quarter we recorded $3.7 million in land options charges for write-offs of earnest money deposits and due diligence costs for projects that we do not intend to pursue.

We also recorded $11.7 million of inventory impairment charges, of which $7.4 million were in our West region primarily related to a long-held inactive land parcels that we intend to sell to improve our returns by redeploying the capital into more productive assets.

Our inactive land held for development of $235 million at the end of the quarter represents 12,800 lots, down 25% from a year-ago. We continue to formulate our operating plans to work through each of our remaining inactive land parcels, to improve cash flows and returns and we expect that our land held for development will continue to decline.

We also will continue to evaluate our inactive land parcels for potential impairment which may result in additional impairment charges in future periods, but the timing and magnitude of these charges will fluctuate as they have in the past.

Mike?.

Mike Murray

During the quarter, we acquired the homebuilding operations at Pacific Ridge Homes for $70.9 million of cash, of which $2 million was paid subsequent to quarter end. Pacific Ridge operates in Seattle, Washington. We acquired approximately 90 homes in inventory, 350 lots as well as control of approximately 400 additional lots through option contracts.

We also acquired a sales order backlog of 42 homes valued at $18.7 million.

Bill?.

Bill Wheat Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

At June 30, our homebuilding liquidity included $767 million of unrestricted homebuilding cash and $881 million available capacity on our revolving credit facility. We had no cash borrowings and $94.3 million of letters of credit outstanding on the revolver.

Our gross homebuilding leverage ratio was 37.5% and our homebuilding leverage ratio net of cash was 31.6%. The balance of our public notes outstanding at June 30 was $3.3 billion. We have no debt maturities for the remainder of fiscal 2015 and we have a total of $543 million of senior note maturities in the next 12 months.

At June 30, our shareholders equity balance was $5.6 billion and book value per share was $15.35, up 13% from a year-ago.

Jessica?.

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Looking forward to the fourth quarter, we expect our number of homes closed to approximate the beginning backlog conversion rate in the range of 81% to 84% and then average sales price in the range of $285,000 to $290,000.

We anticipate our home sales gross margin in the fourth quarter will be consistent with the first three quarters of the year in the high 19s to 20% subject to potential fluctuations from product mix, warranty and interest costs. We expect our fourth quarter homebuilding SG&A to be in the range of 8.7% to 8.9% of homebuilding revenues.

We estimate that our fourth quarter financial services operating margins will be in the range of 35% to 40%. We expect our tax rate in the fourth quarter to be between 35% and 36% and our fourth quarter diluted share count to be approximately 371 million shares.

Our projected revenues and profitability for the full year of fiscal 2015 are inline with the expectations we’ve been communicating since the beginning of our fiscal year. Our expectations are based on today’s housing market conditions.

Our current preliminary expectations for fiscal 2016 also our consolidated revenues to grow by approximately 10% to 15% and for our consolidated pre-tax margin to be in the range of 10.5% to 11%.

We also expect to generate positive cash flow from operations of approximately $300 million to $500 million for the full fiscal year which we expect these primarily towards debt maturity. We anticipate our tax rate for fiscal 2016 will be between 35% and 36% and then our diluted share count next year will increase by approximately 1%.

David?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

In closing our third quarter growth in sales, closings and profits is a result of the strength of our operating platform and we are excited about the opportunities ahead.

With the expectations Jessica shared for the fourth quarter – we believe our closings for the full year of 2015 will increase by approximately 27% representing an increase of 8,000 homes. And land right in the middle of the range outlined in the start of the year of around 36,500 homes.

We remain focused on growing both our revenue and pre-tax profits at a double-digit pace for generating positive cash flows and increasing our returns. We are well positioned to do so with our solid balance sheet, industry leading market share, broad geographic footprint, diversified product offerings across our D.R.

Horton, Emerald and Express brands. Attractive finished lot and land positions and most importantly our tremendous team across country. We made considerable progress this year toward our goal of producing sustainable positive cash flow from operations.

While still growing the business, we generated $189 million of cash in the first nine months of the year, an improvement of $762 million from the same period of 2014. We expect continued positive cash flow in 2016. We’d like to thank all of our employees for their continued hard work. In my opinion, the best of the industry.

Now go forth and finish the year strong. This concludes our prepared remarks. We will host any questions..

Operator

Thank you, at this time we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question today is coming from Ken Zener from KeyBanc. Please proceed with your question..

Ken Zener

Good morning, everybody..

Mike Murray

Good morning..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Good morning, Ken..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Good morning, Ken..

Ken Zener

David, you talked about FY16. You didn't have to go there, no one even asked you.

Can you walk us through the process of why you wanted to do that now? Your revenue top line of 10% to 15%, what type of community count does that involve or absorption or just talk about how you kind of get there and the confidence around your EBIT given a very strong fourth quarter SG&A guidance? Kind of a broad question, but take what you want..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Well, right, Ken. No, I guess I’m excited because I think we just delivered a great quarter. But I think the positioning we did or have done over the last 12, 18 months, has set us up for a good run.

And we just see general solid markets across the country nothings exploding but everything seems to be getting a little better on the month to month, quarter to quarter basis.

And a waiver position and what we’re focused on right now and what we’ve accomplished leveraging the SG&A and just controlling cost I think it sets us up to containing what we’ve been doing..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

On the community count front Ken, the 10% to 15% consolidated revenue growth that’s really mainly driven by volume coupled with a little bit of price and in terms of community count we would expected to be low maybe top out mid-single digit growth. So the majority of that revenue growth is coming from further improvement in our absorptions.

And we’re not guiding to the 20% to 30% of next year like we did this year. So we don’t have to expand our absorptions quite as dramatically as we did in fiscal 2015, but still very confident that we can drive further absorption improvement as we move throughout 2016..

Ken Zener

Very helpful. Now, because you had such strong pricing momentum year-over-year, you have been right about six. It sounds like you do not expect your successful mix shift towards Express to result in price degradation, realizing there is different mix, pricing mix there, between your different products.

You said positive price, correct?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

I think it kind of flat to moderate price improvement, yes, and that’s what we’ve seen thus for.

We came into the year expecting relatively flat pricing due and part due to the expectations of mix shift to Express and while Express that certainly grown shortly as a percentage of our business that impact has been offset by price appreciation and to the extent we continue to see current market conditions as we move into 2016, hopefully that will continue..

Ken Zener

Thank you, very much..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Stephen Kim from Barclays. Please proceed with your question..

Stephen Kim

Yes, thanks very much, guys. Very encouraging to see your land spend being very disciplined. It is something that I certainly applaud what you are doing there and I think it is going to be very interesting.

So I guess my first question would be, with respect to, if you can continue to generate this kind of cash, you have already said this year, you're looking to do, applying it to the paydown, what should we expect going forward in 2016? I know that in the past there has been some talk about your wanting to run at a much lower level of leverage than you have in the past but I also know there's been a little bit of conversation about that, shall we say, at the corporate office.

So I was wondering where your thoughts are right now in terms of where that is going to be in 2016?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

A very opportunistic, excuse me. We’re going to spend $2 billion plus just replacing what we deliver as we consistently generate and prove at a sustainable. It’s going to give us a lot of opportunity, I guess we’ll sure that when we get there..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

And just to clarify Stephen the comments towards debt reduction were specific to fiscal 2016. We have $543 million in maturities in the next 12 months. So that would be what we expect in fiscal 2016 and then when we’re looking further out we’ll have more commentary to share later. But as David said opportunistic..

Stephen Kim

Got it, okay, that’s helpful. That will continue to watch that. My next question I guess relates to Express. You know obviously, good success over there. We have observed that your average price within Express has been rising, pretty meaningful I think it was up 19% this quarter and it’s been kind of accelerating there.

I was curious if you get sort of share little bit about what is going on there I imagine some of that maybe just geographic mix shift.

But perhaps or something additional going on there where you – in terms of the kind of buyer that you are seeing come out for your profit – just if could share some thoughts there?.

Mike Murray

Steve, this is Mike. Most of what we’re seeing with the Express price changes is mix shift as we’ve introduce it to more markets that have the higher bar for the industry level buyer. We’re seeing the result of those come through in the closing..

Stephen Kim

Okay..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Pretty much the same thing..

Mike Murray

Level of buyer, buying the Express product..

Stephen Kim

Got it. And in terms of where the markets are that you’re going to.

What should we be thinking about that?.

Mike Murray

Most of it – where you’re seeing the impact in this quarter’s ASP has been closing from – the state of Florida. Great success in Florida introducing Express over the past year and we’re starting to see a greater proportion of the Express closings coming from Florida with the higher sales prices..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

We’re still about 80% of what we’re doing in Express is Texas, Florida and the Carolina and the sizes in that order for those states in terms of percentage contribution. And we’re opening that in a lot of other places, but the vast majority of Express sales and closing to-date are in those three states..

Stephen Kim

All right, thanks very much guys..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Thank you, Steve..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Stephen East from Evercore ISI. Please proceed with your question..

Stephen East

Thank you. Good morning, guys. When you in your prepared remarks, I think everybody believes your volume growth is coming from express myself included, but it sounded like more of this was coming from your core Horton brand.

Is that a fair representation of what's going on and could you talk about maybe the trends within the three products and where the gross margins breakout in the three products?.

Bill Wheat Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Yes, Steve, this is Bill. We’re seeing growth really across all of our brands a solid growth, solid demand across all of our brands and actually with the roll out of Express being introduced into more and more markets.

It is growing as a percentage of our overall business, as we introduced the product in more markets, but just when we look at all three brands, we’re seeing solid, solid growth across all three.

In terms of relative gross margins as we’ve kind of sale all along our expectations and what we’ve seen is the Express comes in a little bit below our average margin for the company, but we’ve been encouraged by the margins that we’ve been able to generate in Express and then our expectations for our Emerald, our higher end product is that it will generate a bit higher gross margin than the average, but our return expectations are the same across all brands..

Stephen East

Okay. And then geographically you talk some about Florida in the rollout, is that what really drove that market that was the Express rollout and could you talk some about Texas, what you are seeing any impact with energy in Houston that type of thing..

David Auld Executive Chairman

The Florida market in general is just getting better really across all three brands. The rollout which impacted for pricing mix on this Express was – initially launched we launched in Central Florida middle part of the state much more price competitive then, we’re introducing the product later which is kind of Southeast, Southwest.

So you are just seeing a lift from those two various which I think it is a part of the overall increase in pricing in Express. But now state of Florida we feel very good about that..

Stephen East

And then you mentioned Texas, we are seeing solid demand across Texas, Texas is so extremely strong for us and we saw, essentially our South Central region is largely Texas, and so we are very pleased with the performance across the state of Texas..

Stephen East

Okay, North Houston dynamics going on right now with oil..

Mike Murray

Certainly we continue to watch Houston on a year-over-year basis, Houston sales were basically flat, saw higher average prices this year than last year in Houston, but clearly the Dallas market continues to be extremely strong, San Antonio seems to be picking up for us a bit, and Houston continues to be solid for us as well..

Stephen East

All right..

Mike Murray

We definitely watching Houston, but we’re just still be at the level it is, it’s still encouraging..

Stephen East

Okay, thanks..

David Auld Executive Chairman

We grew very fast in Houston for about three or four years, so kind of a flat year-over-year this year, it is actually?.

Stephen East

It take the replenishing community count in that market, is that a problem, with land pricing moving up?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

We were very well positioned in Houston 2012, 2013, and the community counts in Houston again are very well positioned..

Bill Wheat Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

We are still opening communities, we’ve been preparing the open for the last year, year and a half..

Stephen East

Okay..

David Auld Executive Chairman

The prices mixed actions and so..

Stephen East

Got you. All right, thanks..

Operator

Thanks. Your next question today is coming from Nishu Sood from Deutsche Bank. Please proceed with your question..

Nishu Sood

Thanks, first question I wanted to ask, you mentioned solid sales trends continuing into July, there has been some concern obviously with rates rising whether some threats to consumer confidence, so I was wondering if you could just take down into that a little bit and you now how things look to from the end of the Spring selling season into the Summer and just your thoughts if any of those specific concerns if you have any perspective on whether or not that – those have affected your trends or not?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

Well, if we get up everyday, thinking about sales, so yes, if we’re up 30% we’re concerned, we are not up 50, we’re up 20 we are concerned, we are not up 30. That’s just the nature of our journey. But we travel in the markets down, moving this right now driving sales divisions.

And the general field across pretty much every market is it’s a little better today than it was last year. And there is a confidence in our operators, there is a confidence in our sales, in our model homes, traffic is steady. So it’s been a slow recovery, but consistent and it just seems to continuing, so we feel good about that..

Nishu Sood

Got it. So would be fair to say then it sounds like the momentum that we’ve seen so far this year as persisted into the summer..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Correct..

Nishu Sood

Got it, great. Okay. And I wanted to also ask about the cash flow very impressive cash flow performance this quarter. I think you guided to $300 million to $500 million if I got the number correctly for next year and fourth quarter, your next quarter is typically pretty big cash flow quarter as well.

Your guidance implied that share count will ride so no share buybacks in your debt paydown. My question was with cash flow so strong, your with your net debt to cap fairly low against the kind of typical to start building norm of 40% to 45%.

Have you given any thought to allocating some to share a purchases because we’re based on what you implying you can have a strong book value growth, you get a paydown quite a bit of debt I mean you are going to continue to delever and you are going to be pretty far below that historic norm.

So what your thoughts on share buyback saying a little more balanced about reallocating that cash..

Mike Murray

Yes, Nishu. We’re pleased to be in a positive cash flow position. We’ve been focused on achieving this. And we’re feel like we’re in a position now to continue to generate sustainable positive cash flow. And we’re going to take a balanced approach to it.

We will always look first to our business to invest in the business and be opportunistic there to the extent that we can generate returns there and that will include acquisitions as we continue to steadily be in that market. With over $500 million of debt maturities it coming to next year that is a higher priority for us in fiscal 2016.

But then certainly as we get into 2016 and we look beyond that other opportunities will be out there and available for us certainly we’ve continue to be a consistent dividend payer, there is potential with that good increase as our earnings in cash flow continue.

And then share repurchases would be one of those items that we would look at in the balance as we are opportunistic and if we see that is a good return and that’s an appropriate use for our cash, it will certainly be considered long side the other things..

Nishu Sood

Got it. So the 1% increase in share count that you are talking about, that’s a general range, but there could be some flexibility around that..

Mike Murray

I think there always been flexibility, as we stand right now with no Express intent of repurchasing shares in 2016, we would expect our share count to rise by about 1%..

Nishu Sood

Great, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Robert Wetenhall from RBC. Please proceed with your question..

Robert Wetenhall

Hey, good morning and a nice job on the quarter. Just wanted to ask on your preliminary 2016 guidance, you are coming in higher than we thought and higher than your pre-tax income margin for 2015.

So I’m just try to understand is the way we should think about the 10.5% to 11% range you gave derive from better gross margin performance or is that a SG&A leverage..

Mike Murray

Rob, what we’re seeing we showed in the third quarter its an improved SG&A leverage. Margins were essentially flat throughout this year firmed up nice and stable and we’re seeing some improvement with our absorptions driving up in our communities.

We’re seeing improvements in our SG&A leverage falling right to the operating margin improvements we’re seeing. And we fully expect to continue that in the fiscal 2016..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Bob, it is David. I continue the general consensus is flat, as we hit these absorption targets and as a market stays steady. I do think there may be a little upside in margin, but we’re going to guide to flat and attempt to do what we say we’re going to do..

Robert Wetenhall

Okay, cool. Those are ambitious targets I hope you get there. I wanted to ask about your average order price is up almost 3% this quarter. And just taking through you know you have easy comp in the fourth quarter, but can you talk just about how you are thinking about the trajectory of pricing given mix.

There is some commentary about bigger four plans being a positive to more sales as the entry level product. And I just kind of want to get a hand to one how you think this involves into 2016. Thanks very much and good luck..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

So Bob, in terms of further price appreciation we’ll see ASPs one of the hardest things for us to determine we don’t necessarily look at Q4 is an easy comp though we had a very, very strong up last Q4 I think in the high 30s is in reserves. And so to us that’s not an easy comp.

But we’re going to continue going out and everyday hitting our targets on a community by community basis and continuing to drive sales improvement and it’s a markets there we’ll get the price. But the markets really going to determine that and from where we sit today with the impact of mix from Express.

We would continue to expect our ASP to be flat to slightly up in fiscal 2016 versus fiscal 2015. 290,000 ASP on deliveries and just shy of that on sales is pretty much in all time record for us. And with the continued mix impact from Express, I don’t think we expect to necessarily move that needle a whole lot further..

Robert Wetenhall

It makes a lot of sense. Good luck, thanks very much..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Eric Bosshard from Cleveland Research. Please proceed with your question..

Eric Bosshard

Thanks. Two questions, in regards to I guess leverage within the business that community count plan and leveraging SG&A. Just interested if strategically you’re thinking differently or having a different level of success in both of these areas.

That is one of the factors that’s helping your profitability improve?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

I think we’ve always – stressed leverage on the SG&A line and getting as much as we can out of our fixed overhead and so what we’re seeing now is low to single-digit growth in our community counts driving greater absorptions from those communities.

And generally we’re probably replacing communities that are closing out with slightly larger communities they’re opening up, allowing us greater opportunities for increased absorptions and better leverage at the community level. For us this business all happens at the community level.

The pace we drive at a given community helps drive improvements in margin efficiencies in the construction processes as well as better leverage of the overhead associated with that community..

Mike Murray

And when we look at SG&A leverage to the extend that we drive a good part of our volume growth from increased absorptions. In existing communities that drives even more SG&A leverage than driving growth from community count increases.

So our focus there on improving absorptions is definitely a big driver for our SG&A leverage and as we look at it – going forward we believe we got more opportunities to improve it..

Eric Bosshard

And if I could one follow-up on gross margin after couple years of progress kind of step down it sounds like stable to – slightly favorable may be gross margin outlook.

Just talk a little bit about the moving pieces you’re seeing within gross margin now and as we project forward over the next 12 or 18 months?.

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

On a year-over-year basis Eric, we continue to face headwinds. Particularly on laboring materials and to a lesser extent lands but sequentially those trends have been getting better. Which is what you’ve seen in the stability in our gross margin and sequentially as we’ve moved throughout this year.

So our gap is between our revenue increased per square foot and our cost increased per square foot this quarter. With the best we’ve seen in quite some time, our revenues per square foot were up 4.1% year-over-year, while our stick and brick cost we’re still slightly higher than that, but at 5.3%.

So that 120 bps different is one of the narrower we had over the last year, year and a half. And to a lesser extend – as expected we’re starting to see on a year-over-year basis slightly higher land cost on a per square footage basis as well. But I think we feel really good about – moving into 2016, especially with the trends we’ve seen sequentially.

And hopefully we can see it benefit next year. You know it’s only July, so we’re not going to go out on a whole lot of wins yet, as far as gross margins concerned in 2016. But we feel very good about remaining stable and if we can move it up or we’re going to move it up..

Eric Bosshard

Great, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Michael Dahl from Credit Suisse. Please proceed with your question..

Michael Dahl

Hi, thank you. Couple of follow-up questions. First on the discussion around Houston, I wanted to ask if you could give a little more of a breakdown on what you are seeing across price points obviously some other builders have talked about some weakness at the higher end or mid-to-high end. And so what are you seeing across the different brands.

Is this really still just being driven by express and then also if the overall orders flat, what is the community count like in Houston year-over-year..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Our community count is roughly a similar to what it would have been a year-ago. Yes, I think in general we’ve heard commentary from other builders as well. We don’t have a huge presence at the high end. We have a few communities at the higher end in Houston. And so I’m not sure where a good proxy necessarily there.

But we have clearly continued to see very strong reception at the entry level and first time move up level, so in our for express and Horton brands and that’s really where the core of our business is in Houston..

Michael Dahl

And along that….

David Auld Executive Chairman

We are hopeful to get relatively well..

Mike Murray

We’re very happy with Houston..

Michael Dahl

Okay. So on a – I guess on a positive note then it’s a pretty strong trends in the Southwest. And then so wondering how much that’s being driven by Phoenix or Vegas and what's the absorption trends in those markets specifically..

David Auld Executive Chairman

I hope we’re seeing out there a pretty much Arizona Phoenix is picking up a little bit, seeing some good sales trend there, but coming up a pretty small base. So it shows us a large percentage, but the prior year numbers where fairly small. Las Vegas is actually in our West region. So it’s not impacting our Southwest numbers at all..

Michael Dahl

Got it, okay, thanks..

David Auld Executive Chairman

We just like Phoenix for us has been a very good market in the past on a leading in the company. And I have every belief that it will be again. We’re seeing life in Phoenix and glad to see it..

Michael Dahl

Okay, thanks..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Michael Rehaut from JPMorgan. Please proceed with your question..

Michael Rehaut

Hi, thanks. Good morning, everyone and nice quarter. First question, I had was just going back to the SG&A for a moment. Obviously great improvement there, and better than expected. It looks like the full year will be around 9.6 instead of 9.9 to 10.2 your previous guidance.

Just tying to get a sense of perhaps what are the drivers of that leverage or was there any type of cost take outs that, that you are able to exact as you kind of moved into back half of the year.

And again, just confirming in terms of 2016, the pre-tax margin improvement all effectively at this point you expect to be driven by SG&A as well?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

SG&A will definitely be a big part of the driver of the improvement in our operating margin next year, probably the primary driver, at least as we sit here today in July. SG&A there is a lot of factors that go in there, and there is a lot of focus that we spend in the company on it.

We talk a little bit earlier with our improved absorptions in our existing communities that’s clearly a driver of SG&A leverages we’re not having to add the incremental cost with additional community counts.

But also I would attribute to some of our focus on being more efficient with our inventory investments in our housing investments trying to improve our turns there. That clearly drives more SG&A leverage. That you will see our specs counts are little bit lower then where they have been here recently, and that cuts out some SG&A cost as well.

And I would say there is a just a general focus on the company that as we grow, while we continue – have to continue to add overhead to support that growth in our expected growth.

There is a discipline that I think is in place across organization to make sure that we keep our overhead in line with where our businesses and that we don’t get ahead of ourselves there. I just – there is probably a bit of caution with adding of additional overhead, that I think we are now seeing some very good leverage from as we grow right..

Michael Rehaut

I mean just looking little bit past next year, when you think about you are at 9.6 this year, if most of the improvement is going to be driven by SG&A next year.

Because I believe correct me if I’m wrong, but David I think you pointed to an outlook our expectation for gross margins to be flattish, that would put you at a SG&A closer to 9% and that’s essentially the best type of level you did. In company history hit it low 9s in 2004 and 2005 and so.

As you think around that 9% mark, is that something that you can actually improve from and what I’m really getting at here is – there is structural difference and how you’re running the business that can allow for SG&A to get into the 8s as you progress into mid-cycle or just any thoughts around that?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

Mike, at this point in July, we are not going to guiding to a 9% SG&A in fiscal 2016 as of yet, but clearly, if we expect to improve from where we are this year. We would expect to get below 9.5 and into the low 9s next year and we have achieved 9.0 before in the past. So it’s not all the realm of possibility.

We are focused on just continuing to incrementally improve, incrementally leverage it.

And we do believe that if we are able to continue to drive growth for multiple years beyond 2016 that we can continue to drive incremental SG&A leverage beyond that and could that result in us getting below 9 at some point in the future beyond 2016 that certainly possible. But I think that is a little bit of a longer potential..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

And our 10.5% to 11% that we guided to for 2016 was a consolidated margin. So we could potentially have some upside on our financial services business as well. We see as we move throughout the year and we’ll have more color to share..

Michael Rehaut

Okay.

So just lastly then if I’m understanding it right, a little bit of the improvement you’re expecting from gross margin expansion, or is it going to be closer to more stable-ish?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

We’ve operated this year in the high 19s, 19.7 and 19.9 about first three quarters. We consistently say we expect our margin to be around 20. So if we come in around 20 that next year, that would be a slight improvement in our gross margin from this year..

Michael Rehaut

All right. Thanks, guys..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Susan Maklari from UBS. Please proceed with your question.

Susan Maklari

Good morning..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Good morning, Susan..

Mike Murray

Good morning..

Susan Maklari

In terms of your specs, you noted that they were down about 12% during this quarter.

Can you talk a little bit about how you’re thinking about that even it such a big part of your strategy and if there is any change there that we should be aware of?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

We saw our competed specs go down by 12% during the quarter, which is a pretty seasonal movement for us through the spring selling season, as we’re selling those homes that we build and had inventory available for our customers. But specs as you said are always have been a big part of our business.

We’re very comfortable building speculative homes, and we think it opens up a new buyer to us that we wouldn’t have before just building homes for the customers..

Mike Murray

No real change in our strategy there. We’re tying to operate as efficiently as we can and so our expect percentage is a little lower than perhaps you’ve seen in the times in the past, but really there is no change in strategy at all..

Susan Maklari

Okay, perfect. And then can you just give us an update on what you’re seeing in terms of the mortgage market.

It sounds like things are kind of continuing to maybe incrementally improve there, but what do you think?.

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Probably exactly what you just said, Sue. To us, the mortgage environment is okay. Assuming a buyer has decent credit and has a little bit of money to put down which isn’t unreasonable for somebody buying a house. Buyers can get credit today. So we’re seeing plenty of traffic come in and that can qualify.

Our cancellation rate has settled out into the low 20s and that still the main reason people do cancel. They can’t qualify for the mortgage. But that low 20s rate is not unusually high or something we’re uncomfortable with. And we haven’t seen much in the way of change, but I do think you continue to just see very gradual incremental loosening.

That probably at least all signs point right now that will continue. I don’t think we expect any broad movements in the market to really open the flood gates again. But just continued improvement in components then more buyers coming out and feeling better about their ability to qualify. And whether the standards have actually changed or not.

I think we would point to as more of a positive over the past year. Then the actual mortgage standards themselves..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question is coming from Jack Micenko from SAG. Please proceed with your question..

Jack Micenko

Hi, good morning. Your FHA, VA mix picked up pretty significantly year-to-year, is that price cut driven or is that more or some of the expansion you seeing on the VA side, just curious what's driving that..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Yes, Jack. It’s not a pickup on the VA side or VA was pretty much flat. So I think what you are seeing is an impact from the pricing getting more favorable on FHA coupled with a higher share of express. And coming through our closings which is a higher FHA percentage than our reporting in Emerald buyers..

Jack Micenko

Okay. And then just looking back I guess the last couple of months, as the 97 GSE return had any impact on demand any of you..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

No..

Jack Micenko

Okay, great. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Jade Rahmani from KBW. Please proceed with your question..

Jade Rahmani

Thanks for taking my question. I wanted to first, if you could provide a comment on the land market where you are seeing overall and where there is a still good opportunities to invest..

Mike Murray

I would say yes, we’re still seeing good opportunities overall. I mean even replacing we’ve – just replacing what we use we’re going to spend $2 billion plus this year. We’re discipline, we’re basically underwriting it to two-year cash back program generating a certain level return 20 % and if we can get it in that box and its buy for us.

I can tell you we’re seeing deals we’re getting it done..

Bill Wheat Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

No shortage of deals out there available..

Jade Rahmani

Okay. And then just regarding the SG&A outlook in terms of employee retention and yes, sustaining the growth rate in topline, what do you see as the risk of having to sort of reaccelerate the amount of dollars been SG&A spent..

David Auld Executive Chairman

The SG&A savings are being driven by revenue increases and efficiencies gained in the operation. This is not a cut employee program. In fact, some of our highest paid people are in some of our lowest SG&A divisions. And it’s because of the revenue driven and the efficiencies they operate with. So it really comes down to driving sales or flag per month.

If you look at our 8,000 additional closings this year on a relatively flat community count that 290,000 per ASP, per average sales price and that’s driving a tremendous amount of revenue out of the same store sales. So this is not a – this model is protecting employees, not put them in risk..

Jade Rahmani

Thanks. I appreciate the color..

Operator

Thanks. Our next question today is coming from Will Randow from Citigroup. Please proceed with your question..

Will Randow

Hey, good morning and thanks for taking my question..

Mike Murray

Thank you..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Hey, Bill..

Will Randow

I’m just kind of thinking about in the past you’ve talked about return on inventory on your, your loss supply is down, I’ll call it close to – a little under four-year supply. Looking forward to the fourth quarter and looks like inventory growth is slowing down especially with land held for development coming of the balance sheet.

Where the opportunities to improve – I guess, returns on asset as well as how do you think about leverage in that context for ROE?.

Bill Wheat Executive Vice President & Chief Financial Officer

Yes, Will. This is Bill. Yes, return just clearly the focus on our end our strategy, its balancing our inventory investments and trying to get the right balance of volume and absorptions compared to pricing and margins profitability to drive the best return in each one of our inventory investments and we’ve been saying for a while.

We feel like our land supply was that a sufficient level or our owned land supply was sufficient. And so we’re maintaining that at around the same level. We own about 120,000 lots today. And we’ve been essentially in the range of 120 to 125 or so for two years.

That’s still a sufficient level for our current volume and we expected that it will support continued strong double-digit growth for the remainder 2015 and in the 2016. And with our growth and improvement profitability with a more stable land supply that’s improving our returns and we expect to continue to drives some more from that..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

If you look at our homebuilding ROI on a trailing 12 months. It’s actually up 100 basis points as compared to fiscal 2014 and we would expect to continue to make further progress on that in Q4 in fiscal 2016..

Will Randow

And I guess as a follow-up is a land bank in market there it’s used to run 50/50 I’ll call it control versus owned in order to improve ROI.

And also on the leverage front, do you think about you should be running closer to group medium leverage to hit kind of the group or total of the better ROE?.

Mike Murray

With regard to your first question on the optioning of land and lots, we are working continually to increase our controlled lot position and trying to get back more to the 50/50 balance. That is exactly where we have been in the past and that's where we’re striving to get to today. That helps us greatly with the return on our invested inventory.

With regard to the ROE, as Bill mentioned before our initial use of the cash that we’re looking for in 2016 are handling - the $540 million of debt maturities that we have next year.

As well as continual opportunistic investments in the business, whether that’s land and lots deal by deal or whether that’s continued acquisitions as we look to consolidate mortgage and open up the new products and new customers to us.

With that great opportunities – in front of us with the cash flow and we’re always monitoring – the leverage ratio and looking at what we feel is appropriate for where we are in the given cycle and the opportunity that are there..

Will Randow

Thanks guys and congrats on the quarter..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Thank you..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Welcome..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Mark Weintraub from Buckingham Research. Please proceed with your question..

Mark Weintraub

Thank you. A bit of a bigger picture question I guess. And that’s – we’ve seen multi-family as a bigger percentage of total start for a while now. I’m curious whether you see that as secular or cyclical. How was that all might be impacting you in some of your markets, even if – indirectly presumably.

And whether in forms that all in any of your medium to longer-term decision making?.

David Auld Executive Chairman

You know on multi-family something that we look where the demand is in each market and we build some multi-family and it’s not a big percentage of our business at all and so we really look at that market by market, I don’t see that being a major driver of our business going forward. But in certain market it’s only a bigger percentage of business..

Mark Weintraub

And – I guess that - when you think about growth for the single-family business. Are you – of the view that we’re going to catch back up to prior compositions multi-family and single-family.

Which would presumably you have it extra engine of growth from that change in mix or you to view we’re probably going to stay at these higher levels of multi-family for a while, at a national level recognizing that you have your own individual markets, obviously have a single-family?.

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Mark, I’m sure we really have a view. I mean our focus is primarily on single-family and we’re not too worried – where that split is going to fall out going forward. Our goal everyday is to go out and increase our market share and each of the market we currently operate in. And so we’re going to gain as much of the single-family market as we can..

Mark Weintraub

Okay, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question today is coming from Alex Barron from Housing Research Center. Please proceed with your question..

Alex Barron

Hey, good morning, guys. Good job on the quarter. I wanted to ask about the outlook for 2016 and towards community count.

Are you guys seeing one of the brands growing more than the other or they all is your outlook pretty much the same across the board, in other words are you seeing more demand or more investment going into the express versus the other brands or not..

David Auld Executive Chairman

No, not, not really pushing money towards a brand, we’re allocating money based up on the returns coming out of the markets and then coming out of the underwriting individual projects. As we continue to open the express brand end markets then it’s growing of a slower platform. So its going to show percentage higher growth.

Our goal is grow every brand, every market, every year..

Alex Barron

Okay. And I don’t know if I missed it or you didn’t mention it. But you gave us the percentage of home sold for Express. But I don’t think you gave it for emerald, you just said closings and revenues..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Sorry. Alex, we’re looking for that. That’s going to be included in our supplementary data that we will post to the website right after that call..

Alex Barron

Okay.

That just for this quarter or you are going to go back a few quarters also?.

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

No. Our supplementary data that’s out on our investor relations site has on trailing eight quarters from its all of the data it may only have one or two shy of that for the brands just because of the brands are newer than that. But a pretty much has our entire history from a brands perspective..

Alex Barron

Okay, great, thank you..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our final question today is coming from Buck Horne from Raymond James and Associates. Please proceed with your question..

Buck Horne

Hey, thanks guys. I appreciate for the opportunity here. Most of my questions are answered, but I want to go back to just a clarification on Pacific Ridge, the acquisition there.

Did any of the reported order totals this quarter include Pacific Ridge backlog and would you expect any sort of purchase accounting drag from the acquisition this quarter?.

Mike Murray

It was a relatively small acquisition to the size of overall closings I would not expected a big purchase accounting drag from Pacific Ridge at all. It contributed, we have 40 closings, 41 closings in the quarter for Pacific Ridge, largely that will come out of the opening backlog and then 25 net new sales within the quarter from Pacific Ridge..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

And but we did not add on their backlog to our reported sales for the quarter. So our sales number for the quarter was pure Horton with our other brands inclusive of the 25 sales that Mike just mentioned..

Buck Horne

That’s perfect. Okay, and my last question, just going back to the express home division and just, I think one things we are trying to wrestle with, what’s the credit profile of that buyer today in terms, whether it’s the FICO score or the average down payment they are able to put down on the home.

New home sales under the $200,000 price points are still kind of looking a National number still the weakest of all the category.

But yes you guys are taking any credible amount of share and I’m just kind of wondering, to what extend you can share either the secret sauce or how deep do you think that buyer pool really is?.

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Sure, in terms of the mortgages, I can give you some idea of, what that looks like for those buyers that are utilizing our mortgage company.

And in a FICO score is really quite strong as well and it’s close to 700 on average for our Express buyers, the loan to value isn’t that for off from our company average, it’s slightly higher which was to be expected with our higher percentage of FHA loans being used.

The debt to income is right inline with the average for our overall company and then obviously the loan amount is a little bit lower, just because of the lower average sales price.

So I think we still really, really good about the depth in the market for that buyer and continue to prove it with the strength in the sales we’re seeing across all the places that we’ve open that.

Buck Horne

Thank you, very much.

Mike Murray

Thank you..

Jessica Hansen Vice President of Investor Relations

Thanks, Buck.

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude our question-and-answer session. I would like to turn the floor back over to management for any further closing comments..

David Auld Executive Chairman

Thank you, Kevin. We just want everybody to know, we appreciate your time on the call today. I want to tell our employees that they are in fact the best in the industry, I appreciate what you do everyday. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. That does conclude today’s teleconference. You may disconnect your lines at this time and have a wonderful day. We thank you for your participation today..

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