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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q4
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Executives

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director.

Analysts

Joseph R. Greff - JPMorgan Securities LLC Christopher Jones - Union Gaming Research LLC Steven Wieczynski - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc. Carlo Santarelli - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc. Steven Eric Kent - Goldman Sachs & Co. Demetri Typadis - Barclays Capital, Inc.

David Katz - Telsey Advisory Group LLC Shaun Clisby Kelley - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Thomas G. Allen - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC Chad Beynon - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc. James Forristall Kayler - Bank of America Merrill Lynch Joel H. Simkins - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker).

Operator

Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to the Boyd Gaming Fourth Quarter 2015 Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. Please also note that today's event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference call over to Mr.

Josh Hirsberg, Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer. Sir, please go ahead..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Thank you, Jamie. Good afternoon, everyone, and welcome to our fourth quarter earnings conference call. Joining me on the call this afternoon is Keith Smith, our President and Chief Executive Officer.

Our comments today will include statements that are forward-looking statements within the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act, including statements regarding our guidance for full year 2016. All forward-looking statements in our comments are as of today's date, and we undertake no obligation to update or revise the forward-looking statements.

Actual results may differ materially from those projected in any forward-looking statement. There are certain risks and uncertainties that include, but are not limited to those disclosed in our earnings release, our periodic reports, and our other filings with the SEC that may impact our results.

During our call today, we will make reference to non-GAAP financial measures. For a complete reconciliation of historical non-GAAP to GAAP financial measures, please refer to our earnings press release and our Form 8-K furnished to the SEC today, and both of which are available in the Investors section of our website at, boydgaming.com.

We do not provide a reconciliation of forward-looking non-GAAP financial measures due to our inability to project special charges and certain expenses. Finally, today's call is also being webcast at, boydgaming.com and will be available for replay on the Investor Relations section of our website shortly after the completion of this call.

I'd now like to turn the call over to Keith Smith.

Keith?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Josh, and good afternoon, everyone. Welcome to our fourth quarter earnings call. The fourth quarter was a strong conclusion to a year of solid progress for our company.

Thanks to the continued execution of our strategic plan, the strong focus of our management teams, and a healthier consumer, we achieved revenue growth and double-digit EBITDA growth in every single quarter of 2015.

We have also improved margins for seven straight quarters as company EBITDA margins increased nearly 280 basis points in the fourth quarter. Across the country, our property management teams continue to do an excellent job. Let's take a few minutes to walk through what they achieved in each segment of the business during the quarter.

I'll start with Las Vegas, which continues to be an encouraging market for our company. The Southern Nevada economy continues to strengthen with a steadily improving labor and income picture. Total employment grew nearly 3% in 2015 with gains in every major job sector, while unemployment fell to a seven year low.

Average weekly wages were up 4%, one of the strongest growth rates in the country. The Southern Nevada housing market continues to trend positively with growth in both sales and prices. Construction activity is accelerating with more than $10 billion in projects now in the pipeline across Las Vegas Valley.

This is driving strong growth in construction employment which increased more than 14% last year, and the local economy is benefiting from record visitation. Last year, Las Vegas hosted more than 42 million visitors, up nearly 3% from the year before.

These positive trends are contributing to strong growth in both gaming and non-gaming revenues throughout our Las Vegas business, helping drive our strongest fourth quarter results in eight years. During the fourth quarter, we saw growth in every geographic segment of our customer base and grew our share of the Locals market as well.

We also continue to make the most of our revenue gains with strong flow through across our Locals portfolio. EBITDA increased nearly 11% in the segment during the fourth quarter, as operating margins improved more than 150 basis points.

Within our Las Vegas Locals market, The Orleans remains a great story, producing EBITDA growth of nearly 20% thanks to solid broad-based revenue gains.

With the recent completion of our hotel remodel of The Orleans, we were able to fully leverage our 1,900 hotel rooms and drive incremental business to the casino floor, contributing to 7% growth in gaming revenues. The enhanced room product directly contributed to non-gaming revenue growth as well, with an 11% gain in cash ADR at The Orleans.

We're also seeing strength elsewhere in our Locals portfolio, as both Sam's Town and Gold Coast delivered strong EBITDA gains. Suncoast achieved growth in business volumes as well during the quarter, but saw EBITDA decline year-over-year due to lower slot hold.

Next, in our Downtown Las Vegas segment, we achieved 23% EBITDA growth on 5% higher revenues. Our Hawaiian business remained steady, and growth in pedestrian traffic and visitation throughout the Downtown area is driving significant gains in our casual and unrated play.

Additionally, lower fuel costs at our Hawaiian charter service contributed about $800,000 to this segment – to segment EBITDA during the quarter. Moving outside of Nevada, we continue to see steady growth across our regional business as EBITDA rose nearly 5% on a combined basis in our Midwest and South and Peninsula segments.

Once again, Blue Chip continues to be one of our company's strongest performers with 6% revenue growth and year-over-year EBITDA increase of more than 20%. This was Blue Chip's sixth straight quarter of revenue and EBITDA growth, and its eighth quarter of increased market share.

Despite significant competition throughout its region, the Blue Chip team continues to leverage their market leading amenities to deliver exceptional results. Most of our customers have closer gaming options, but they continue to choose Blue Chip because of its compelling entertainment product and outstanding customer service.

In Illinois, Par-A-Dice continues to be challenged by the continued expansion of video gaming throughout the State. There are now 22,000 video gaming machines in operation in Illinois, including nearly 4,000 in Par-A-Dice's immediate market. That's equivalent to three new riverboat casinos in our market alone.

Not surprisingly, this is having a significant impact on Par-A-Dice, with EBITDA down $1.3 million during the quarter. The picture is brighter in the neighboring State of Iowa.

Marketing refinements and a competitive product drove EBITDA growth of 10% at Diamond Jo Dubuque, which has outpaced the State in gaming revenue growth for the last three quarters. We also achieved solid revenue and EBITDA growth at Diamond Jo Worth. In Mississippi, we saw revenue and EBITDA growth at both the IP and Sam's Town Tunica.

For the IP, it was the property's fourth straight quarter of both top and bottom line growth, as EBITDA grew more than 20% year-over-year. And while the Tunica market continues to face its share of challenges, the team at Sam's Town also delivered both revenue and EBITDA growth, thanks to refinements in marketing and operations.

In Louisiana, Treasure Chest continued a string of exceptional quarterly performances, with growth in table and slot volumes, as well as higher guest counts, Treasure Chest delivered its fifth straight quarter of revenue growth, market share growth and double-digit EBITDA gains, with EBITDA increasing 15% year-over-year in the fourth quarter.

To the West, Delta Downs has successfully adapted to new competition, matching last year's fourth quarter EBITDA performance, while improving operating margins by more than 70 basis points.

When comparing to last year's results, remember that Delta Downs didn't face new competition until December 2014, making this year's performance even more impressive. And in the face of this new competition for the full year, Delta Downs showed an EBITDA decline of less than $900,000.

That's an outstanding performance by our properties management team as they demonstrated their ability to effectively compete in the expanded Lake Charles market.

Next, in Kansas, positive trends continued at the Kansas Star, as the property overcame ice storms during two of the quarter's busiest weekends to achieve its fifth straight quarter of revenue and EBITDA growth.

And lastly, in Atlantic City, Borgata delivered yet another great performance, with 8% revenue growth and a 27% year-over-year EBITDA increase. Higher table hold accounted for about one half of our EBITDA growth in the quarter, but Borgata saw strong increases in business volumes as well.

Borgata set fourth quarter records for gross slot win and hotel rooms occupied, and we set an all-time record for quarterly market share of just over 30% of the Atlantic City market. The results are a reflection of the Borgata team's continued success in leveraging our market-leading product and amenities.

No one in the gaming property in the Northeast region can match the breadth and quality of the Borgata experience. Our gaming, our dining, our live entertainment, our hotel products, and most importantly, our exceptional customer service delivered by an exceptional group of team members.

Our unique brand of hospitality gives Borgata a significant edge over the competition. But we don't take that for granted. We continue to invest in this brand by constantly innovating and upgrading our product. And over the next 12 months to 14 months, Borgata is set to debut a number of new amenities to ensure we remain the market leader.

In the next few months, we will take Borgata's live entertainment to a new level by adding a new nightlife experience as well as a new outdoor pool area featuring outdoor dining and entertainment. Along the same timeline, Borgata will add a fast casual dining venue called The Marketplace Eatery, featuring cuisines from around the world.

Early next year, we'll be adding 25,000 square feet to Borgata's convention space, further enhancing the property's growing meeting and convention business. And in the spring of 2017, we will open a new fine dining concept by Celebrity Chef Michael Symon.

Of course, Borgata is just one piece of an ongoing strategic initiative to enhance non-gaming amenities of Boyd Gaming properties across the country. This is a multi-year initiative aimed at ensuring our properties remain competitive and compelling to consumers of all generations. This initiative began in 2014 and will be complete in 2017.

During that three-year period, we expect to invest over $100 million, including $34 million that we spent in 2015, and $45 million we expect to spend in 2016. To-date, we have redesigned and enhanced about 3,000 rooms across our wholly-owned portfolio including 1,700 rooms last year alone at The Orleans, Suncoast and Blue Chip.

Next up is Delta Downs, where we are now adding 167 hotel rooms and completely redesigning our existing 200 room hotel tower. This expansion project should be complete by the fourth quarter of this year.

On the food and beverage side, we introduced five new concepts in 2015; the California Noodle House, The Filament Bar at the Fremont, The Spotted Horse and Fast and Lucy's Pub at Evangeline Downs, and Brigg's Oyster Company at Suncoast. We've seen encouraging results from these concepts as they each drive incremental visitation.

There is more to come in 2016 with about 20 new food and beverage concepts coming to our properties across the United States. We began earlier this month with the opening of Alder & Birch at The Orleans, the property's new marquee fine dining experience. In just a few weeks, we will premiere Ondori, a new Asian dining concept.

Three more concepts are scheduled to follow at The Orleans by the end of the year as we continue enhancing our largest Las Vegas property. But The Orleans will not be alone. Last week Delta Downs celebrated the grand opening of Rosewater Grill & Tavern, a new fine dining experience.

And our design and construction team is at work on new concepts across the country at properties like Suncoast, Gold Coast, Sam's Town Las Vegas, The California, Kansas Star, and Diamond Jo Dubuque. These new concepts will help ensure that we provide a competitive and attractive dining product to customers nationwide.

And thanks to our strong free cash flow, we're able to make these strategic investments in our business while continuing to pay down debt. So in all, 2015 was a year of significant progress for our company, and we remain focused on continuing this performance into 2016.

As we look ahead, we see no reason that the current consumer environment is going to change. Nationwide, our customers are healthier and more confident, and we expect the revenue growth that began in 2015 will continue.

That's been the case so far in the first quarter as the positive trends we experienced in 2015 have continued throughout our business over the first six weeks of this year.

While we are obviously benefiting from an improving consumer, we will also continue to actively drive revenue growth through enhancements to our operations, including strengthening our technological capabilities in marketing and analytics, and giving our property teams the real-time data they need to make smart and effective decisions.

And we remain diligently focused on maintaining efficiencies in our operations while identifying new opportunities to eliminate costs. While it is not realistic to expect margins to continue to improve at the same pace we saw in 2015, we do believe there is potential for further progress on the cost side of the business.

So as we look ahead, I remain confident about the direction of our business. 2015 was a great year for our company, and we are well-positioned for continued growth and success in 2016. Thank you for your time. I'll now turn the call over to Josh for a review of our financials.

Josh?.

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Thanks, Keith. I will cover a few items from 2015, and then discuss 2016. During 2015, we continued our focus on debt reduction, while at the same time investing in our business. Total debt reduction for the year, including Borgata was nearly $220 million. Over the last three years, we have reduced debt by over $900 million.

Our expectations for 2016 are to reduce debt by similar amounts as 2015. Our quarter-end debt and cash balances were provided to you in our earnings release. During the fourth quarter, we utilized approximately $164 million of availability under our credit facility to retire the Peninsula Seller Note.

Also during the quarter, Borgata made tax distributions to its partners of $14 million each. We expect Borgata to continue distributions in 2016. In terms of capital expenditures, during the quarter, we invested $44 million in our wholly-owned properties. For the full year, we invested $131 million.

Borgata's capital expenditures were $13 million during the quarter, and $34 million for the entire year. Capital expenditures for 2016 are expected to be about $110 million in maintenance for Boyd and Peninsula combined.

In addition, as Keith mentioned, we expect to invest $45 million to continue our non-gaming amenities initiative, and approximately $37 million remains to complete the hotel and related expansion at Delta Downs.

Our company-wide non-gaming amenities initiative has been very successful, attracting new customers, while at the same time providing existing customers a new reason to visit. Our expansion project at Delta Downs is on-track to be completed on budget and on time by the end of the fourth quarter of this year.

Separately at Borgata, we expect to spend approximately $35 million in capital in 2016. 2016 guidance for other remaining items includes, annual depreciation expense is expected to be about $205 million. Borgata's depreciation, which is not included in that number, is expected to be about $60 million.

We expect total annual interest expense to approximate $210 million. This interest expense assumes a modest increase in LIBOR rates and no refinancing of our current outstanding debt balances. Of this amount, we expect Boyd's interest expense to be about $140 million, and Peninsula's to be around $70 million.

Borgata's interest expense should be about $45 million to $50 million, which is not included in the numbers I just mentioned. In terms of corporate expense, which is already incorporated in the full year EBITDA guidance that we provided in our release, we expect about $60 million to $65 million. This number is similar to 2015 levels.

Other income statement items include deferred rent, which should approximate 2015 levels at about $3 million for the year; pre-opening expense, which is estimated to be about $10 million, and share-based compensation is expected to be about $15 million. Weighted average shares outstanding should approximate 116 million shares.

As noted in our release, we expect full year 2016 adjusted EBITDA, which included 50% of Borgata's EBITDA to be in the range of $635 million to $655 million. As Keith mentioned, we expect the continuation of the consumer trends we saw in 2015. And based on what we have seen so far this year, we have no reason to expect that environment is changing.

However, given current volatility in the financial markets, and the uncertainty that naturally creates, we have set the low-end of our range to a level that is below what we would expect from the current operating environment. Given what we know today, we expect the business to perform around the midpoint of our guidance.

Consistent with this guidance, we expect revenue growth for our wholly-owned businesses of about 1% to 3%. We expect EBITDA flow-through on our revenue growth of approximately 55% to 60%. In each of our Las Vegas Locals and Downtown segments, we expect EBTIDA to grow about 5.5% for the full year.

In our Midwest and South, and Peninsula segments, we expect full year EBTIDA on a combined basis to grow about 2.5%. And at Borgata, we expect EBITDA to be $195 million to $200 million, of which 50% of this amount is included in our guidance.

When considering this expected performance relative to the highly successful year the property completed in 2015, recall that higher than normal hold contributed an estimated $9 million in EBITDA in 2015. In addition, the property has been negatively impacted by winter weather in the first few weeks of January by about $15 million (20:09) in EBITDA.

Our expectations for Borgata include a level of property taxes similar to the amount paid in 2015. In conclusion, we had a very solid quarter that capped off a successful year. The operating trends that existed in 2015 are continuing. Our consumer is healthy. Our non-gaming amenities strategy is paying off.

Our management team is focused on not only driving profitable revenues, but also operating efficiently by continuing to focus on removing cost from our business. And finally, our balance sheet remains healthy. With that, Jamie, that concludes our remarks, and we are now ready to entertain any questions..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, we'll now begin the question-and-answer session. And our first question comes from Joe Greff from JPMorgan. Please go ahead with your question..

Joseph R. Greff - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Good afternoon, everybody. And Josh, thank you for your comments, (21:29) my questions away.

Just thinking about your outlook for the Las Vegas Locals market this year, how do you think about the growth for after four quarters of 2016? Do you see higher growth in the first half versus the second half, just given how the comparison evolve over the year? Can you help us understand that a little bit in terms of what's baked into your guidance?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah. So Joe, this is Keith. I think that that's probably right. We'd expect to see a little more growth in the first half of the year. The summer time is notoriously slow here in Las Vegas, especially in the Locals business. And once again, we did had a great fourth quarter as things build throughout the year.

So we expect kind of the momentum we saw in the fourth quarter to carry into the first quarter and second quarter. So it's probably more heavily weighted in the first half of the year..

Joseph R. Greff - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Okay. And then with respect to your non-gaming enhancement-related capital expenditures baked into your guidance, do you have any renovation disruption? If you could help us quantify that, if there is any..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Yeah, Joe. This is Josh. We really haven't built in any expectation of disruption. We have seen – given our experience so far in 2015, we've seen very little in the way of disruption. We have had some kind of external impacts on our businesses, whether it was not related to the construction, like weather and things of that nature.

But I would say, really, related to the non-gaming amenities strategy, the only property that I can think of that could be significantly impacted is our Downtown segment with the casino floor renovation at The California.

But as I run through the – think through what we're planning to do for 2016, I would expect kind of minimal disruption throughout the year..

Joseph R. Greff - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Got it. And then my final question.

I believe I heard that you said the winter weather impact of Borgata was $15 million of EBITDA, one, five?.

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

No, no. I'm sorry. My accent probably threw you off there. We definitely want to clarify that. It was about $5 million, and there was about $9 million of hold in 2015....

Joseph R. Greff - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Okay..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

...and then $5 million in January related to the winter weather..

Joseph R. Greff - JPMorgan Securities LLC

And then, have you seen any of that lost business come back this month following (24:04)?.

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Yeah. We have started to see it come back..

Joseph R. Greff - JPMorgan Securities LLC

Okay. That's all from me. Thanks, guys..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure..

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris Jones from Union Gaming. Please go ahead with your question..

Christopher Jones - Union Gaming Research LLC

Hi. Great. Thank you. Just first question is, going back to the Borgata here, just two things.

First, any details you can give us about for the ongoing battle, or issue you're having with the tax issues, whether or not you guys have started withholding tax there, or not paying the gaming tax with this city? And then secondly, on the Borgata, any comments or thoughts about what's going on in Northern New Jersey, if whether or not the Borgata JV would be interested or looking to pursue something there, if that was to pass?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

With respect to the property tax settlement, we certainly stand ready and willing to engage in serious negotiations. Unfortunately, none have occurred yet. We're certainly hopeful that some will occur in the near future. But other than that, all that we know is out there and is public.

We did exercise some help, some what I call self-help about 10 days ago where we withheld our quarterly property tax payment, as we're legally allowed to do, as a way to, I guess start the process of getting us repaid, because no other progress have been made.

And once again, we're just hopeful that there will be some serious negotiations sometime in the near future, but other than that, that's all we know. It's all we have to report. I think with respect to North Jersey, it's an evolving situation. You know, they're talking about two licenses and $1 billion minimum investment.

What they haven't talked about is kind of what the tax rate would be and some of the other rules and regulations, and so it's a little difficult to decide whether or not that will be a benefit or a detriment at the end of the day to New Jersey, not knowing what's going to be built, because I think some of that will be driven by the tax rate.

So we need some clarity on some more of the rules around what they're actually proposing for North Jersey before we can understand whether we think there's an opportunity to play there or not..

Christopher Jones - Union Gaming Research LLC

Excellent. Thank you.

And just a quick a follow-up on Vegas; I think, Keith, did you mention that there was a low hold in Suncoast this quarter? And what was the impact there?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah. We had abnormally kind of low slot hold. It just happens from time-to-time in the business. It's nothing that is systemic or ongoing. It made the difference between the Suncoast posting an up quarter in EBITDA versus posting a down quarter in EBITDA. And so that is the significance of the whole difference.

It's come back, and like I said, it was temporary and it does happen occasionally, although not frequently in the slot area..

Christopher Jones - Union Gaming Research LLC

And did you think if you hadn't had that, you would've seen materially better performance from some of the sort of non-gaming initiatives and such that you've made in there?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, the non-gaming initiatives performed just fine, it really was. We had good volumes. We had coin-in at the Suncoast as we recovered from some of the road construction that impacted us during the first nine months.

And we had plans to wrap the business back up and try and grow coin-in and that it all happened kind of on schedule and as we had planned. It's just the luck of the draw, if you will. We just didn't run lucky in the quarter and that was the difference between, once again, posting up EBITDA versus posting down EBITDA.

So it would have been a great quarter if not for that..

Christopher Jones - Union Gaming Research LLC

Perfect. Thank you very much..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Welcome..

Operator

Our next question comes from Steve Wieczynski from Stifel. Please go ahead with your question..

Steven Wieczynski - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

Hey, good afternoon, guys. So Keith, I know you called out, you said in the Locals market in Vegas, you know you threw some effective marketing programs out there that really seemed to work.

Can you go into a little bit more detail as to what you guys essentially did there? And also talk about the promotional environment right now in the Locals market?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah, so in terms of kind of the detail of our ongoing marketing efforts, probably so that we can continue the success that we've achieved to-date we're not going to talk about them in any specific detail.

But with respect to kind of the marketing the promotional environment overall, I would say, it's been fairly flat, you know, it's not overly aggressive. Nobody's stepping out and doing anything too aggressive.

So I'd say that for the majority of 2015, if not all of 2015, it was a fairly rational promotional environment and we certainly hope that that continues into the future..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Yeah, I would add to that, just that comment is not only true about Las Vegas Locals, but really across the portfolio in the markets that we operate in. The competitive kind of marketing environment has been very – what we call, rational or more consistent with historical levels, just generally..

Steven Wieczynski - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

Okay. Thanks. And then second question I guess for you, Josh. In terms of your guidance frames, you talked about kind of the midpoint of $645 million would be if the business kind of ran itself today. And you talked about what would get you to the low-end of that range.

But to get to the high-end, I guess the question is, do you think that would be a function more of stronger revenue growth or better increases on the margin front?.

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

I think it would be primarily revenue growth driven. So our guidance generally expects revenue of kind of 1% to 3% so it would be near the end or exceeding that growth rate and revenue and then obviously margins improvements associated with that revenue growth as well..

Steven Wieczynski - Stifel, Nicolaus & Co., Inc.

Okay. Great. Thanks, guys..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Sure..

Operator

Our next question comes from Carlo Santarelli from Deutsche Bank Securities. Please go ahead with your question..

Carlo Santarelli - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Hey, thanks, guys. Josh, on the subject of Borgata, obviously you mentioned the $14 million distribution for tax purposes. As you think about that property now, I believe coming out of the 4Q, it's about 3.2 times net debt to EBTIDA.

How are you guys thinking about future, maybe more broad distributions from that asset as we go forward? And how much does the North Jersey situation play on kind of your thinking around how to handle the balance sheet or the capital structure of that asset? Thanks..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah. It's a good question, Carlo. I think we're going to kind of continue to balance the success of that asset and its ability to deleverage with the prospect of Northern New Jersey, quite honestly. I think to the extent we get better visibility on Northern New Jersey, that'll certainly weigh on our decisions.

But the asset in the meantime continues to generate significant amounts of free cash flow, and will continue to deleverage. And I think we're comfortable with the levels of leverage in terms of where it is currently, and in the current environment.

And then you have both the prospects of Northern New Jersey to factor into the thought process going forward, but also we expect to eventually get paid on the property tax amount too, which will also help to continue to deleverage the business. So I think we have a lot of moving pieces around that.

And we'll just kind of make those decisions under kind of the best understanding of what's going on at that particular time..

Carlo Santarelli - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Great.

And then if I could just ask a follow-up in terms of how you're thinking about maybe the proper leverage ratio at that asset? Is there a certain level where you'll believe that you're under-leveraged, so to speak?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I think that the capital structure is set up to allow the asset to continue to deleverage, and also make distribution. So currently, as you mentioned, it's around three times leverage, a little bit more than that. I think we're generally comfortable with that.

I think to the extent that Northern New Jersey started to come on the radar screen we may want to get a little bit more conservative with the leverage.

But I think that 3 times leverage is a pretty comfortable level given where the business is, and how it's performing, and just kind of the competitive environment that it's operating within currently..

Carlo Santarelli - Deutsche Bank Securities, Inc.

Great. Thank you very much..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure..

Operator

Our next question comes from Steven Kent from Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead with your question. And Mr. Kent....

Steven Eric Kent - Goldman Sachs & Co.

Hi.

Yeah, can you hear me?.

Operator

We can hear you now. Please go ahead with your question..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah Steve, we can hear you..

Steven Eric Kent - Goldman Sachs & Co.

Sorry about that. Can you just talk about visitation trends versus average spend per visit? Just – it would seem to me that given where employment's going, and also where gas prices are going that you should start to see a pickup in that. So I just wanted to understand that.

And then just on a more modeling question, stock comp came in a little bit higher than (33:34) stock comp expense, came in a little bit higher than we thought. Are we missing something about how you do fourth quarter recognition of stock comp, because it seems to change a little bit in that fourth quarter, and I'm just trying to understand it..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Steve, with respect to visitation and kind of spend per visit, we're seeing kind of continued strength in both visitation and average spend across the country that's generally coming in our mid and upper tiers. We're also seeing strength in the unrated play kind of growing across the country also.

And whether that's a function of lower gas prices or just a healthier consumer, a fuller employment market, probably a combination of all those things. But we are seeing good growth in visitation and continued growth in average spend at the mid and upper tiers..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

And Steve, in terms of the stock compensation expense question, it really has to do with the mix of employees and the number of employees that are receiving the stock equity grants, as well as their years of service and their age. So there's quite a kind of complex set of circumstances that drives how much – what gets recorded and when.

And it has to do a little bit also with when options and equity compensation is granted. So it's really all of those factors that comes into play. I'm not – yeah, nothing really has changed in the program or anything of that nature. It's just the mechanics of how the program works..

Steven Eric Kent - Goldman Sachs & Co.

Thanks..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

(35:17). Okay..

Steven Eric Kent - Goldman Sachs & Co.

Yeah, thanks..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Okay. See you..

Operator

Our next question comes from Demetri Typadis from Barclays. Please go ahead with your question..

Demetri Typadis - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Hi, guys. You talked a little bit about kind of the fact that the levels of flow-through have been robust and we can't really expect that to continue going forward as high as it's been.

But can you talk a little bit about the cadence? Should we be thinking about you know a step-down in flow through starting in the first half of the year, or there's still room to outperform in the first half? And then maybe it's the second half when the comps get more difficult that we should be considering a lower level of flow-through?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah, I think that you should probably be looking at a step down in Q1 and in Q2. We've been successful in improving our margins over the last six quarters or seven quarters. And it's bound to slow down at some point.

And while we're intensely focused on continuing to find ways to take cost out of the business, the levels that we achieved last year just we don't believe are repeatable. So you should expect that step-down to occur in Q1 and be consistent throughout the year..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Yeah, it's just getting more and more difficult to achieve cost savings as quickly as we've been able to do historically. We continue to believe that there are opportunities. They're just going to be more difficult to achieve and take longer to obtain.

And so, we're trying to be realistic with respect to our own expectations, and we understand kind of generating the levels of flow-through that we saw certainly in the last four quarters or five quarters, because everything we went our way. We don't expect that to continue..

Demetri Typadis - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Got it. Helpful. And in Illinois, you talked about the impact of VLTs. I mean is there really anything that can be done, or should the expectation be that this is just going to weigh on all properties in the market? And on top of that, are there any other markets that you're concerned that could open up; I know Pennsylvania has kind of discussed it.

I don't think any jurisdictions are at a very advanced stage, but any competitive threats in any other jurisdictions that are on your radar?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I think you understand the situation right. I think in Illinois, there the genie is out of the bottle and we really don't see any real slowdown in the approval process of those. They continue to grow each and every month as the state approves more.

And the only other state where we're talking about it is Pennsylvania, which I think had significant impact on operations in the state. We don't have an operation there, but we're not aware of other states that are actively engaged in that conversation..

Demetri Typadis - Barclays Capital, Inc.

All right. That's great. That's it for me. Thanks..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks, Demetri..

Operator

Our next question comes from David Katz from Telsey Group. Please go ahead with your question..

David Katz - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Hi. Evening. So I think as we look at the total picture here, what we're seeing is continued fairly modest revenue growth and the strong flow-through. But I've heard the same message a number of quarters in a row where you say, please don't expect us to drive the kind of margin growth that you've been seeing, and then you do it.

And so, I mean this in a complementary way, but how do you really feel like the levers that are available to you to pull throughout the year, right? I mean the guidance is quite good and it's a little bit better than obviously most of us were expecting.

Has your scale of conservatism changed, let's say, over the last four quarters in terms of how you forecast, I suppose is the bottom line question I'm trying to get at?.

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

David, it's Josh. I think we really believe in the guidance that we are providing you, and we are not trying to be conservative in the sense of what we are telling you.

I think what has happened in 2015, and we've said it before, and perhaps you know, there's just everything that kind of goes in our direction, and those are the things that we really don't incorporate in our guidance that ultimately have accrued to our benefit.

So we have been more successful than we expected in taking cost out of the business at the same time that we had a little bit more robust revenue growth than we expected. And those are the factors that really contributed to our outperformance.

I think as you start to anniversary those kinds of performances, you end up with a smaller likelihood of kind of continuing to perform on the upside on the revenue side unless the consumer kind of starts to deviate to the upside and gets stronger. And I think the same thing plays out on the expense side.

You know, there's only so many times that you can really continue to drive expense savings in excess of what you expect. And so we're trying to give you the best sense of what we see today.

Our comments and guidance are definitely in the middle of the road in terms of what we expect to achieve, and we would say that there's probably, if there was going to be upside performance, it would come from outside revenue growth.

If there's going to be downside performance, it's going to come from a change in the consumer more than likely, and therefore a change in revenue on that side of the equation, because we will not be able to turn the ship quickly enough to take costs out in the event of revenue decline from here.

So I think that's the best way to kind of put things in perspective for you..

David Katz - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Okay. I meant not to accuse you of sandbagging in anyway. Honestly, I....

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

We're not trying to sandbag..

David Katz - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Okay. I think you made that clear....

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

We're not trying to sandbag. We are trying to give you a realistic view of how we see the business and give us a realistic expectation of performing within that guidance range..

David Katz - Telsey Advisory Group LLC

Okay. All right. Well taken, and congratulations on a good quarter. Thanks very much..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Yeah, I hope we keep doing it..

Operator

Our next question comes from Shaun Kelly from Bank of America. Please go ahead with your question..

Shaun Clisby Kelley - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hey, good afternoon, everyone. Josh, I know you covered most of the ground that I had, but just one thing that came out in the fourth quarter throughout, I think you know was the – some of the REIT laws were updated in some surprise legislation.

And I was curious, I believe there is some grandfathering that can be done, or has been done for some companies.

But does the new IRS ruling prevent or change in any way the kind of way you guys were thinking about pursuing the opportunity of a REIT conversion?.

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

I don't think so. I think that you know we're continuing to think through the issue and monitor developments in our space. And I think we always try to remain prepared for kind of what's going on in that arena, so..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah Shaun, this is Keith. I think that, look, we've said before, we're really not going to provide any other color around this until we have something to announce. But look the restructure still remains an option for us. We continue, as Josh said, to kind of learn from what's going on in the market.

And I'm sure we'll learn more from MGM's proposed transaction. And we'll continue to evaluate kind of what the right structure is for the company going forward..

Shaun Clisby Kelley - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. That's it for me, guys. Thanks a lot..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Thanks, Shaun..

Operator

Our next question comes from Thomas Allen from Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead with your question..

Thomas G. Allen - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Hey. Good afternoon. So just related to the guidance, as you think about the Louisiana properties, you're still doing well in Treasure Chest. But it does seem like the broader energy market sell-offs is starting to impact Shreveport, Delta Downs, Amelia Belle and Evangeline Downs. So how are you thinking about their performance in 2016? Thanks..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, I think with respect to kind of the energy and what's going on in oil and gas and everything else that we're really not seeing much of an impact at Treasure Chest or at Delta Downs.

It's really not impacting Shreveport, where it is impacting – the Shreveport decline in revenues is really more directed, self-directed as we're just trying to take some costs out of the business and get to as, I think Josh used the term, profitable revenue growth.

We are seeing some impact at Evangeline Downs and Amelia Belle, mostly because the populations around those properties are mostly folks that work in kind of the production facilities. And so we are seeing some impact there. Not significant, but some impact clearly.

And we'd expect that that probably will continue through 2016 at those two properties, they'll continue to see some modest impact as a result of low oil prices. I think at the same time, once again, it has a benefit to the broader consumer group out there that has more money in their pocket. So there is an offset to that..

Thomas G. Allen - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Definitely. And then in terms of the Las Vegas Locals market, so just trying to think through the guidance. You guys guided to 5.5% EBITDA growth, but for the past two quarters you've been running at about 4% – 4.5% to 5% revenue growth.

So are you expecting a meaningful slowdown in revenue, or are you expecting kind of cost inflation to start picking up in the market now that unemployment started to decline? I mean what's the expectation of the two, the top line and then the expense drivers? Thanks..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Yeah. I think it's strictly a matter of just comps are getting more difficult in an improving environment and we want to see that consumer translate into better performance before we kind of get out ahead of ourselves on that. That's it, Tom..

Thomas G. Allen - Morgan Stanley & Co. LLC

Okay. Thank you..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks..

Operator

Our next question comes from Chad Beynon of Macquarie. Please go ahead with your question..

Chad Beynon - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.

Hey. Great, guys. Thanks for taking my questions. First, just wanted to talk about your appetite for M&A. You've done a nice job paying down debt, reducing leverage.

And Josh, you gave the target of potentially paying down another $200 million in 2016, but what's your appetite for M&A? And what do you think is out there at this time?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Well, I think we continue to be very interested in growing the company and acquiring assets that are in markets that make sense for us, and that, you know, will move the needle for us, and it's a matter of coming to an agreement on price in many cases. So we continue to look around.

We continue to look at as many things as we ever have, and one of these days we'll find something that is in the right market at the right price that we think should be part of our portfolio. We tend to be fairly selective. We're not anxious. We're not going to buy something just to have a deal, or to do a deal just to do a deal.

We will find the right asset, in the right market, at the right price and then we'll execute on it. In the meantime, we'll just focus on paying down debt. We'll focus on our non-gaming amenities strategy and strengthening the existing portfolio until we find someplace else to invest. But we are clearly interested in continuing to grow the company.

We just have to find the right opportunity..

Chad Beynon - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.

Okay. Thanks, Keith. My follow-up, a property we haven't talked about, IP. Keith, you mentioned that in the quarter, EBITDA grew 20%, and I know that at some point in December, a new competitor kind of across the Bay opened up. Could you just talk about maybe how those trends kind of occurred during the quarter, or yeah, within the quarter? Thanks..

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Sure. So they opened in early December, and so we've seen just the last three weeks or so of the fourth quarter with that competition and obviously the first six weeks of this new year. And I would say that the impact is about what we were expecting. It's a little less on the slot side a little more on the table games side.

They're driving a lot of visitation with some aggressive marketing programs, and like, I think all consumers that they're going to take a lot but that's kind of the nature of our business when a new property opens, people go and take a look.

And so we're just going to have to wait and see how and where it settles in and kind of where they settle in from a marketing standpoint, and how aggressive they end up being on a longer term basis. So nothing we're overly concerned with. And once again, the impact about what we would have expected it to be.

So we'll continue to monitor it and watch it, but nothing overly concerned about sitting here today..

Chad Beynon - Macquarie Capital (USA), Inc.

Okay. Thank you. Thank you, all..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Thanks, Chad..

Operator

Our next question comes from James Kayler from Bank of America. Please go ahead with your question..

James Forristall Kayler - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Hey, guys.

How you doing?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Good..

James Forristall Kayler - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Good. Just a sort of bigger picture question on the Locals market. So I think the Locals market is still 40% plus off of its prior peak.

What needs to happen in the Locals market to start to narrow that gap? And what kind of timeframe do you think is reasonable to think about that gap declining?.

Keith E. Smith - President, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I'm not sure how much more you close that gap, because you know what drove that gap is what drove the economy generally when you look back at 2005 through kind of 2007. Large part of that here locally were construction jobs, and the tremendous amount of construction that was going on in this town.

And while (50:17) construction jobs back, we won't get back to 125,000 or 135,000 construction jobs in the town. As well as just the freedom at which people, the consumer, generally spent money, and so thinking we'll gravitate back towards that number, certainly not in our thinking any time in the near future..

James Forristall Kayler - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Okay. That's helpful. Just one question on the CapEx. I think, Josh, you said $110 million of sort of maintenance CapEx.

Can you just remind us what that is? How that compares to last year's number? And I guess more specifically, what's your plans for spending on slots this year versus in 2015?.

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Yeah, so in reality it's very similar to the maintenance capital we spent last year. And we in fact talked to everyone about last year, we generally said $100 million to $110 million last year and that's essentially what we're saying this year. In terms of slot capital, our budgets are essentially flat.

We really are ensuring that our floors have the best product out on them to provide our customers the best experience, and we don't see any need in order to meet that objective to spend any more than what we're doing currently.

So we feel comfortable about where our floors are, and we feel comfortable with the budget we're applying to accomplish that objective..

James Forristall Kayler - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

Very good. Just one last balance sheet item. You mentioned refinancing the Pen Game Seller Note. Can you just remind us what the terms of that were, and how it'll affect your income statement and cash flow statement? If I recall, there was – I know there was a PIK component, I'm not sure if there was a cash component also of interest..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

There was not a cash component of interest. We could have chosen to pay a portion of it in cash, we chose not to. It was a note that was put in place in 2012, the first year had zero percent interest, the next year I think it was 6%, and then 8% and then 10% thereafter. It was just about to reach 10% when we decided to pay off the Seller Note.

It had a principal amount of about $164 million. And so basically we used our revolver to fund that retirement. The note was recorded at a discount, according to the proper way to account for it. And so when we retired it, there was a charge related to retiring the note, but that's related simply to how it was accounted for on the books.

I don't know if that answers all your questions around that James or not..

James Forristall Kayler - Bank of America Merrill Lynch

That was a full answer. Thank you, Josh. Thank you, guys..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Good..

Operator

And our next question comes from Joel Simkins from Credit Suisse. Please go ahead with your question..

Joel H. Simkins - Credit Suisse Securities (USA) LLC (Broker)

Thanks, guys. I am actually all set now. Appreciate it..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Okay. Thank you..

Operator

And gentlemen, at this time, I'm showing that we have no additional questions, I'd like to turn the conference call back over to you for any closing remarks..

Josh Hirsberg - Chief Financial Officer, Executive Vice President & Treasurer

Thanks, Jamie and thanks for each of you for joining the call today. If you have any follow-up questions or questions that you would like answered, please feel free to call the company and we'll be as responsive as we can to get you the answers you need. So thank you for dialing in today..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, that does conclude today's conference call. We do thank you for attending. You may now disconnect your telephone lines..

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