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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q2
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Operator

Welcome to the Brookfield Asset Management 2015 Second Quarter Results Conference Call and Webcast. [Operator Instructions] At this time, I would like to turn the conference over to Andrew Willis, Senior Vice President, Communications, for Brookfield Asset Management. Please go ahead..

Andrew Willis

Thank you, Operator, and good afternoon. Welcome to Brookfield second quarter webcast and conference call. On the call today are Bruce Flatt, our Chief Executive Officer; and Brian Lawson, our Chief Financial Officer. Brian will start this morning, discussing the highlights of our financial and operating results.

Bruce will then discuss our views on the market environment and our investment strategy. At the end of our formal comments, we will turn the call over to the operator and open the call up for questions.

In order to accommodate all those who want to ask questions, we ask that you refrain from asking multiple questions at one time in order to provide an opportunity for others in the queue. We will be happy to respond to additional questions later in the call, as time permits.

At this time, I would remind you that in responding to questions and in talking about our new initiatives and our financial and operating performance, we may make forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to known and unknown risks, and future results may differ materially.

For further information for investors, I would encourage you to review our annual information form and our annual report, both of which are available on our website. Thank you. And I'll now turn the call over to Brian..

Brian Lawson

Thanks Andy, and good morning. We had a solid quarter highlighted by strong growth in our asset management business. Our clients continue to commit capital to our private and public funds, and we had net capital inflows of $9 billion in the quarter.

And that brings fee-bearing capital to nearly $100 billion representing an 18% increase over the past year and giving rise to 44% increase in fee-related earnings. We deployed $4 billion of capital under new initiatives and advanced a number of key development projects which Bruce will speak to in his remarks.

Our funds from operations or FFO in the second quarter was $520 million. In addition to the pickup in fee-related earnings, we also had improved operating results at most of our businesses including increased volumes, operational improvements, and the contribution from recently completed acquisitions and development projects.

On the other hand we experienced below average generation in our renewable energy business due to weak hydrology, and a lower contribution from our residential property business. Net income in the quarter was $1.2 billion and this compares to $1.6 billion of net income a year ago.

As I mentioned, our fee-bearing assets are now at the $100 billion mark and increased by $15 billion over the last 12 months. There are several components of this growth, and if I just breakdown the expansion of the three major elements within this business to illustrate our ability to access different forms of the capital.

So first of all we added more than $7 billion to our private funds over the past 12 months, and are currently raising an additional $5 billion and expect to be in a position to launch an addition of $10 billion to $15 billion of fund raising later this year.

We now have a well established base of 320 investors globally and are well positioned for continued growth. The second component of our growth in fee-bearing assets was a $6 billion increase in the capitalization of our flagship listed partnerships over the past year.

These entities are listed on the New York Stock Exchange and the Toronto Stock Exchange and have aggregate market capitalization of $45 billion. Finally we increased the assets in our public market securities business by $2 billion bringing total equity and debt securities managed in this part of our business to $18 billion.

We hope this is a very good demonstration of how our strategy of offering a combination of listed securities and private funds gives us diversification in our fee-bearing assets and the ability to raise capital in a variety of markets.

Now turning to our results, we have $142 million in fee-related earnings for the quarter compared to $88 million a year ago. The annualized fee based and target carried interest is now running at $1.4 billion and that's up by 28% year-over-year reflecting growth in fee-bearing capital.

In our property business we recorded FFO of $324 million and that compares to $271 million in the same quarter a year ago. Disposition gains totaled $181 million as we proceeded and completed the sale of mature assets including office buildings in Boston and Washington. Last year we had $128 million in such gains.

In the office portfolio we signed new leases at 36% above expiring rents and in our retail business new leases are being done at 10% above expiring rents. So we’ve got big growth there as well.

The renewable energy business generated FFO of $66 million and this was down from the same period a year ago, and as I mentioned reflects lower than normal water levels in Brazil and some of our North American hydro facilities. Overall generation levels were about 11% below long term averages.

At the end of the quarter though, North American reservoir levels were back at their long-term average, which means we are well positioned to capture premiums summer power pricing.

At our infrastructure business, FFO was $61 million, this is up over the last year and part of that increase comes from FFO generated by newly acquired businesses such as our telecom business, operations in Frances and transportation business in Brazil.

But importantly we also had 11% year-over-year growth in same-store FFO, meaning the operations that we held both in the period last year and in this year if you hold currencies constantly. In our private equity business, we generated FFO of $12 million, this was what we reported in the prior period for a few factors.

First of all, we experienced lower prices in some of our most cyclical investments. And also we did not receive FFO from businesses that we sold last year, which also gave us some disposition gains in the prior year. And finally the residential housing business which is now part of the private equity business we are seeing strength in U.S.

markets where we are selling more homes. However, in Brazil economic growth, as I think you’ll know has slowed and consumer demand is down as a results we delivered fewer projects, which impacted the results there. And lastly our Board declared the quarterly dividend of $0.12 per common share payable on September 30, 2015. So thank you.

And with that, I will now turn the call over to Bruce..

James Flatt Managing Partner, Chief Executive Officer & Director

Thanks Brian, and good morning, everyone. I would like to take a few minutes to speak about four items. First, the overall market environment, second interest rates, third, some of our investment activity and fourth, a few comments on our listed entity. First, on the economic environment.

I guess our view is that none of the business events in the first half has given us any pause about the continued recovery of the U.S. economy. We see no indication in our businesses of a retracement. Despite this though, we have been net sellers of assets in U.S. nearly given the robust amount of capital available to our investors.

Oil and commodity prices have hurt economies like Australia and Canada. Although we are still seeing very good employment levels across those regions, we continue to pursue value investments in around these markets. Brazil is undergoing extreme pressure but the country has a strong democracy with an emerging middle-class.

As a result we are investing large sums of capital there, and believe we are acquiring some credible assets that will be great value investment over the longer term. In India, government reform continues, and we’re pleased with the investment we’ve made over the last few years.

Capital is starting to migrate back to the country and India is still recovering in many sectors. We hope to selectively put more money to work in opportunities and property power and possibly infrastructure.

With eurozone interest rates near zero -- and looking to stay that way versus United States, our investments are focused on operating businesses where we can achieve some growing cash flow, but we’re locking in extremely attractive borrowing cost. Our telecom tower business in France is a good example of that.

Second, we often get asked about interest rates. Our view continues to be the same. We’ve been running our business with the expectation and belief that interest rates will increase particularly in the United States. We actually welcome this as interest rates only rise and economy is improving and that is positive for business.

Our business is positioned to do well in a higher interest rate environment, and there are four simple reasons for that. The first is that and most important reason is that, we own real return assets that increased their cash flow generating capacity over time, either through one of three methods.

The first is, contractual right, the second is our ability to operate them more efficiently or better. And the third is an expansion and the operations, where we can invest small amount of capital and enhance the cash flow significantly. These enhancements should far outpace any extra interest cost and particularly in a more inflationary environment.

Second reason is, we generally earn total returns on equity of 10% or 20%, and this is much greater than treasury yields, and therefore 1% or 2% increase in interest rates does not really impact the long term returns of the assets that we purchased.

Third we finance approximately 50% of our investments with debt and moving interest rates up by 1% impacts our returns by 1% or 2%, which is not that meaningful to returns. And fourth, most prudent property infrastructure investors have fixed rate debt. We have a lot of it.

And therefore cash flows until maturity debt actually won't change at all over the period until that debt matures. Turning to our investments, we continue to see many great value investments across our platform, capitalizing on our advantages which are as most of you know but are worth repeating. Number one, size. Number two, operating strength.

Number three, our global platform, and number four, our ability to work on large corporate transactions. During the quarter, we committed as Brian said, the $4 billion of new investments, which brings our total over the last 12 months to $16 billion and we continue to invest capital, the capital raise in our private and unlisted funds.

We've also been busy harvesting capital. We've generated significant proceeds across the franchise, including $3 billion from sales in mature assets across a number of our businesses.

In our property group, we committed to $2.5 billion of capital for property acquisitions during the quarter including with clients - including the acquisition of $3.5 billion resort operator, called Center Parks, in the U.K, the Bloomberg Headquarters building in London and our portfolio of office properties in Sao Paulo and Rio.

In power, we agreed to acquire, over 1,000 megawatt early stage portfolio of wind development projects in Scotland, adding these to our European development pipeline. We also continue to pursue numerous opportunities in Europe, where the renewable buildout has caused significant disruption in the market.

In infrastructure, we've done a number of tuck-in acquisitions and have a number of significant acquisitions on the go. We recently added a further natural gas storage business to our operation which now includes facilities in California, Texas, Oklahoma, and Alberta.

We also continue to add district energy systems in a number of cities in United States and have started pursuing opportunities in both the U.K. and Australia. In private equity, we continue to expand by both scale and geography, that's been one of priorities.

During the quarter we closed on just over $2 billion acquisition with partner of mid-tier oil and Gas Company in Australia. We tender to acquire $900 million graphite's electrode producer which manufactures components that are used in steel mini mills, acquired an infrastructure products manufacturing and purchased a palladium mine.

So, it's a pretty active quarter. I'll end with one note, and that relates to our listed affiliates, which are fulfilled property partners, infrastructure partners and renewable energy partners that all trade on the NYSE and the TSX Stock Exchanges.

These entities are very important to our overall long term franchise and to ensure the long term of these companies, we have will and we'll continue to use our own resources to support them where required.

That's one of the reasons we maintain substantial liquidity at Brookfield Asset Management, as we always want to be in a position to enable our Companies and funds to achieve transactions and build their businesses in a way that creates value for all unitholders and clients.

Two examples, at Brookfield Property Partners, since spinoff, we've been supporting their plans with lending to ensure that while they were reorganizing their company to have optimal ownership structure, they could also continue to grow the business and keep - complete the major developments that they have in the pipeline.

BPY is well into achieving their goals in this regard and also coming close to completing a number of assets sales to repay bridge loans taken on to complete their office acquisition and integration.

In addition, given the private markets have very robust pricing for assets and their public markets have sold off with the interest rate items in the market. There is a great arbitrage for BPY to continue to sell interest and assets and repurchase its own units.

Furthermore as the major leasing and development projects start to contribute to bottom line FFO over the next two years. The growth in FFO will be between 15% and 20% annually for the next few years. Together this should contribute to substantial value creation for all BPY unit holders and part of it was due to the contributions of us assisting BPY.

At Brookfield’s infrastructure we recently were required for regulatory purposes to announce that we’re in negotiations to acquire Asciano, a major rail and port operator in Australia. This transaction requires significant capital to complete and since the disclosure the unit price of BIP has traded off from where it was prior to announcement.

Given our positive outlook for BIP and it’s strong results we believe the dip in unit price relates to concerns regarding issuance of units to complete the transaction. I’ll be very specific we don’t know at this stage if the transaction will proceed, but if it does we’re confident that this will be a solid long-term investment for BIP.

In addition fortunately due to the scale of capital available on BIP’s balance sheet today. Client’s capital that we have and our own financial resources of our balance sheet we have the flexibility to negotiate and structure a transaction of this scale to maximize value for all BIP unit holders.

We believe that as a manager of these entities that one of our roles is to enable these companies and our other funds to be in a position to complete transactions that they might not otherwise be able to do on their own.

We believe that this is key to our success as an asset manager and we intend to continue using this advantage to support our companies. Operator, I’ll now turn the call over to you. Those were my comments and we welcome any questions from people on the line..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The first question is from Cherilyn Radbourne of TD Securities. Please go ahead..

Cherilyn Radbourne

Thanks very much and good morning. So fundraising was clearly a highlight of the quarter, so I thought I'd ask a couple questions around that side of the business.

And the first one is your sheer number of clients has expanded quite a bit, and the average commitment is now $80 million versus $100 million a couple of years ago, which would say to me that you're starting to penetrate smaller and midsize institutions.

So I wondered if you could just talk a little bit about the evolution of your client base?.

Brian Lawson

Sure, it's Brian, Cherilyn. Thanks. And that is exact your observation is bang-on, and that's been an objective of ours, it has been really important for us to have strong relationships with all of the very large global institutional investors. And we feel good that we have those. They're valuable in a lot of ways.

But it’s also really important for us to broaden out that investor base into the smaller mid-size pension funds there. They’re great solid clients with a strong tendency towards continuing in future funds and the economics and margins are good as well. It's a key part of our strategy..

Cherilyn Radbourne

And then just as it relates to carry, you've rebuilt the unrealized carry nicely since the big realization on general growth.

I was just wondering if you could offer some thoughts on how long it will be before carry starts to become a more regular contributor to your quarterly results?.

Brian Lawson

Yes, so that’s it’s a hard one to predict exactly having said that that $600 million relates to funds that will be harvested.

Our target will be harvested over the next three years so you should see that coming along with any additional carry that get generated in those funds over the next few years, which is - really as they come to maturity, which is the typical pattern..

Cherilyn Radbourne

All right that’s my two. Thank you..

Brian Lawson

Okay. Thanks Cherilyn..

Operator

The next question is from Mario Saric of Scotiabank. Please go ahead..

Mario Saric

Hi, thank you, and good morning. Maybe sticking to the theme of the evolution of your asset management business, I've also noted that the percentage of investors that invest in multiple funds has really gone up in the last 12 months. Even the past quarter, it's up 6% to 40%.

As that extra $10 trillion of incremental capital becomes available for the sector that you highlight in your letter to shareholders, is there a specific target that we can think about in terms of how high you can go, in terms of the participation in the multiple funds by your clients?.

James Flatt Managing Partner, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I'd start off maybe just a more broad comment on that and I think what the factor that's at work, you're seeing and maybe will try to come up with a specific figure for you, but the factor at work is really that as you know for investment managers its hard work to that -- people that allocate money, it's hard to work to that managers.

And if you have both strong number of funds that you can offer institutions, and you have a global franchise to be able to put behind it, it's a lot easier for managers or allocators of capital to vet a manager and then continue to, A, invest in follow-on funds, but, B, it's even better if they can broaden out and do other things with those institutions.

So, what we've seen is a something - what's happening is that more money as opposed if somebody watching with one fund and it's just a specific fund in a specific country, that may or may not receive from an institution, large institution, but it's a lot harder than if you have very broad relationships with institutions and you can offer them multiple products, and it's kind of just human nature that if you trust somebody and if they can do the work for you, you're going to go with that party.

So, we continue to see that at work and I think you will increasingly see that at work over the next decade as the industry consolidates and the number of allocations and accounts continues to come down..

Mario Saric

Okay..

James Flatt Managing Partner, Chief Executive Officer & Director

So, I guess specifically to your -- to the actual quantum. I think if you look around the industry with some of the larger managers, they're up at north of 75% in terms of clients with multiple funds and obviously there is no reason why we shouldn't be in the same category..

Mario Saric

Okay. That's great and then maybe an associated question. It's probably not a coincidence that you're also seeing some pretty strong margin expansion within the business, both quarter-over-quarter and year-over-year. It's gravitating toward some of the target margins that you've talked about in the past.

Is there anything specific within the quarter that led to the roughly 300 basis point increase quarter-over-quarter or should we use 55% of the previous base going forward?.

James Flatt Managing Partner, Chief Executive Officer & Director

I think we've definitely built the margin up nicely. Part of it as you know we put a lot into building up this business, I'll say, in anticipation of the growth in the fee bearing capital and therefore the revenues.

And there will always be a little bit of evolution on that front, but meaning that it's not always going to track completely in line, having said that, I think that's a big part of it -- is that, and then the other part is on the incented distributions as well, because that's a good margin for us as well in that front..

Mario Saric

Okay. Thank you..

Operator

The next question is from Brendan Maiorana of Wells Fargo. Please go ahead..

Brendan Maiorana

Thanks. Brian, if I could just ask a quick follow-up related to that question about the margins? On your incentive or the carried interest, it looks like the generated versus fees, so it's about $100 million generated, $103 million of generated in the quarter, and associated fees was $34 million.

It's about the same relationship from the last 12 months.

Is this kind of 65% margin on carried interest a fair target over the longer term?.

Brian Lawson

Overall, yes..

Brendan Maiorana

Okay, great. And then just a question for Bruce, so I completely get everything you're saying about institutions moving towards real assets, and you guys have highlighted that for a number of years and certainly have been proven correct in terms of where fund allocation is going.

Do you feel like there's any risk that either evaluations that are being paid today, not necessarily by Brookfield, but maybe by other asset managers that are in the field, make the risk that returns that have been delivered in the past or maybe that are promised in the future, may not be realized for real assets overall? And is that a risk that institutions could sour on real assets if returns don't come out as expected?.

JamesFlatt

Maybe I'll try two comments. First I'd say, the returns are so far in excess of their fixed income allocations that they'd be taking this from the -- unless people make large mistakes, it's tough to come near 2% return.

So, I think if they thought they were going to get 15% returns and they only get 9%, that's possible that that occurs, but when they look back and say, well, compared to our, we were going to be in fixed income maybe it wasn't a bad decision, if that's what occurs.

So, I think it's possible that there is some assets – there is some likelihood of that occurring with some assets being purchase. Secondly, I would say that really are two types of real-estate and infrastructure and we try to take to purchase or require assets in the first category.

And the first category is, transactions which are acquired where it takes it corporate in nature, it often has an operating angle to it, and its large and therefore we have competitive advantages to earn a higher returns out of it.

On the opposite side, if you buy a 100%, let office building for the next 30 years, or a fully let transmission system on a fixed coupon for the next 20 years, those are assets, which are closer to fixed income instruments than what we generally buy and those could get harmed with increases in interest rates.

And therefore some of the returns out of infrastructure may not be as good as what people thought that’s not say I think that that will ever disrupt the marketplace for real estate in that infrastructure investing I think that our view is that the trend continues and it will continue other than in one circumstance which is if you think the interest rates going to 8% in the United States on the back on the long end Treasury, then probably that’s going to disrupt the number of things including real asset investing..

Brendan Maiorana

Okay, great. Thanks..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] The next question is from Andrew Kuske of Credit Suisse. Please go ahead..

Andrew Kuske

Thank you, good morning. Bruce, I appreciate the comments on supporting the underlying LPs. But could you give us some perspective on just ownership levels, and how you think about that over a period of time? Right now, you got 29% ownership of BIP, and this is aside from the GP interest, just on an LP basis. And then you're in the 60% on BRP and BPY.

So how do you think about a stabilized level, and what's the appropriate range around ownership for really a duration.

How low would you go, and how high would you go?.

Brian Lawson

On the low I’d say we probably we’ve always thought that we wanted to own 20% of these entities at the lowest level, because it enabled us to earn to feel like we were up true up true owner of the business along with everybody that’s there.

And I’m not sure that we’re going to go below 20% other than in some extreme circumstance, but that is in our plans. On the high side I would just say that or we don’t really have expectation or what we should own in these companies.

The companies are set up to grow and build their asset portfolio and we’ll be as supportive as we can to let them complete transactions, which grow their business if it make sense for all of the unit holders and add the value to the company.

And if that means if those transactions that means that we should support them our percentage will increase and if those transactions which require them to issue shares and there is no opportunity for us to put capital up then we maybe diluted.

Really we’ll just work with the management teams to support the companies and it’s not really dependent on how much like the percentage of ours isn’t that important it’s just about creating value for the unit holders..

Andrew Kuske

Okay, that's helpful. And then I guess somewhat related question, because a lot of the deals with the underlying LPs do is really in conjunction with your private funds business. So there was some discussion earlier on about effectively tapping into a broader variety of funds, and really the middle market clients.

But what’s the ability to really tap the really large checks from some of the larger clients around the world? Did you clearly had longer-term relationships with very big funds around the world, the sovereign wealth funds, but has that ability been effectively enhanced for the $500 million commitments and above?.

Brian Lawson

Yeah the number goes down the size maybe I’ll say is that the size of the check on average goes down, but that actually doesn’t mean that these large investors are less than the funds. What’s happening is our funds are getting larger and therefore we still have very large commitments from big funds.

But in addition we’re bringing in a lot of other institutions in smaller numbers. Therefore the average goes down. Maybe more important than that those institutions that are good clients of ours that are in our funds also are here, because of what we can bring them as investments, but size of the funds that we have.

So when we complete transactions and when we’re doing large transactions we have very significant amounts of capital that we can choose to bring in an amount and sometimes it’s x and it could be x times three. And so we have those and many of them are putting significant amounts of capital into transactions.

So we have that available to us when we’re working on large transactions..

Andrew Kuske

Yeah, that’s very helpful. Thank you..

Operator

This concludes the question and answer session. I'll now hand the call back over to Mr. Willis for any closing remarks..

Andrew Willis

Thank you, Operator. Please feel free to follow-up with us directly, and we look forward to updating you in our next quarter..

Operator

This concludes today's conference call. You may disconnect your lines. Thank you for participating, and have a pleasant day..

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