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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2021 - Q4
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Company Representatives

Tom Ferguson - Chief Executive Officer Philip Schlom - Chief Financial Officer David Nark - Senior Vice President, Marketing and Communications and IR Joe Dorame - Managing Partner.

Operator

Good morning, and welcome to the AZZ, Inc. Fourth Quarter and Fiscal Year 2021 Financial Results Conference Call. All participants will be in a listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions]. Please note, this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Joe Dorame, Managing Partner. Please go ahead..

Joe Dorame

Thank you. Good morning and thank you all for joining us today to review the financial results of AZZ, Inc., for the fourth quarter of fiscal year 2021 ended February 28, 2021.

Joining the call today are Tom Ferguson, Chief Executive Officer; Philip Schlom, Chief Financial Officer; and David Nark, Senior Vice President, Marketing and Communications and IR. After the conclusion of todays prepared remarks we will open the call for a question-and-answer session.

Please note, there is a slide presentation for today's call which can be found on AZZ's Investor Relations page under Latest Earnings Release Presentation at www.azz.com.

Before we begin with prepared remarks, I'd like to remind everyone certain statements made by the management team of AZZ during this conference call constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995.

Except for the statements of historical facts, this conference call may contain forward-looking statements that involve risks and uncertainties, some of which are detailed from time-to-time in documents filed by AZZ with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the annual report on Form 10-K for the fiscal year ended February 28, 2021.

Those risks and uncertainties include, but are not limited to changes in customer demand and response to products and services offered by the company, including demand by the power generation markets, electrical transmission and distribution markets, the industrial markets and the Metal Coating markets; prices and raw material costs, including zinc and natural gas, which are used in the hot dip galvanizing process; changes in the political stability and economic conditions of the various markets that AZZ serves, foreign and domestic; customer requested delays of shipments; acquisition opportunities; currency exchange rates; adequate financing and availability of experienced management and employees to implement the company's growth strategies.

In addition, AZZ’s customers and its operations could potentially be adversely impacted by the ongoing COVID-19 pandemic. The company can give no assurance that such forward-looking statements will prove to be correct.

These statements are based on information as of the date hereof and AZZ assumes no obligation to update any forward-looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. With that out of the way, let me turn the call over to Tom Ferguson, Chief Executive Officer of AZZ.

Tom?.

Tom Ferguson

Thanks Joe, and welcome to our fourth quarter and full year fiscal 2021 earnings call, and thank you for joining us this morning.

First, I need to express my great appreciation for the way our AZZ employees, their families and our partners stepped up during the COVID pandemic, and also during the winter storm that impacted a significant portion of our production just two weeks before the end of our fiscal year.

Due to the concerted and in some cases, extra ordinary efforts of our employees, we were able to quickly respond and finish out a profitable fourth quarter. Overall, annual sales declined 21% versus the prior year record reaching $839 million, with Metal Coatings down 8% to $458 million and Infrastructure Solutions declining by 32% to $381 million.

The lower volumes were driven primarily by the impact on our customers caused by the COVID pandemic, as well as the divestitures we made during the year. I will get into the details of this as we go along.

We're pleased to have completed our 34th consecutive year of profitability, and while COVID negatively impacted our results, we were able to take several actions to better position AZZ for the future. We continue to generate strong cash flow during the year with $92 million of net cash provided by operating activities.

We generated adjusted net income of $55 million and adjusted EPS of $2.11 per diluted share. We were successful in completing the divestiture of our SMS and Galvabar businesses during the year.

We closed a couple of galvanizing plants due to both local market conditions and the proximity of our other plants that could efficiently absorb the majority of their business. We also closed the Surface Technology plant and hydrogen coatings lines, two of which were recently brought back online.

In line with our strategic commitment to value creation, we repurchased over 1.2 million shares for $48.3 million and distributed $7.6 million in dividends. In Metal Coatings, we posted sales of $458 million, while achieving operating margins of 23.3% on an adjusted basis, up nicely from the previous year.

The margin improvement was primarily due to driving operating efficiencies and productivity in the face of rising labor and energy costs. The team completed the acquisition of Acme Galvanizing in Milwaukee near the end of the fiscal year.

We remain committed to delivering on the investments made in our Surface Technology business, but it is important to note that customers for this business were more severely impacted by COVID than on the galvanizing sites. Our Infrastructure Solutions Segment was severely impacted by the COVID pandemic, particularly in the early part of the year.

Sales declined over 32% to $381 million, with adjusted operating income down 52%, generating adjusted margins of 4.1%. We divested the SMS business as it was deemed to be non-core to our long term strategy. Restructuring and impairment charges for Infrastructure Solutions totaled $9.2 million for the year.

The fiscal 2020 key, COVID continues to generate some uncertainty, but our folks are managing disruptions well and keeping our employees safe. So we are reaffirming our previously issued guidance. We anticipate sales to be in the range of $835 million to $935 million and EPS of $2.45 to $2.95.

Metal Coatings is continuing to focus on sales growth, including leveraging or spin galvanizing operations in several sites. Operational – they are also focused on operational execution and customer service as labor and operating expenses due to material cost inflation are increasing.

Our Infrastructure Solution segment is seeing a gradual return to more normalized business activity and entered Q1 with some momentum.

Our Industrial Businesses is seeing good results from our expanded Poland facility, although globally the business continues to experience some intermittent project delays due to COVID outbreaks at certain customer sites. The Electrical Platform is focused on operational execution and growing its E-House and switchgear businesses.

For fiscal year 2022, AZZ will continue to execute on strategic growth objectives to drive shareholder value. At our core we are a Metal Coatings company and a manufacturer of products and provider of services that are critical to sustaining infrastructure. Our commitment to superior customer service is unwavering.

Our ability to generate strong cash flows is based on initiatives to drive operational excellence, manage cost and share pricing discipline and emphasis on receivables collection within our operating platforms.

We are confident that our businesses remain vital to improving and sustaining infrastructure, so we're actively working to position our core businesses to provide sustainable profitability long into the future. And with that said, I'll turn it over to Philip. .

Philip Schlom

We repurchased 48.3 million in outstanding shares; we refinanced $125 million, 5.42% senior notes with an upsized offering of $150 million over seven and 12 year periods bearing interest under 3%, resulting in $2.5 million of lower annual interest expense.

Even with the pandemic we were able to reduce debt $24 million, ending our fiscal year with $170 million - $179 million in borrowings compared to $203 million in borrowings at the end of last year. We continue to support growth initiatives by internally investing $37.1 million in capital projects during the year.

We completed our Houston spin plant, as well as the expansion and modernization of our Poland manufacturing and operations facility. We acquired one galvanizing and plating operation from January 2021. We divested as Tom had noted and have closed underperforming operations during the year and we continue to pay quarterly dividends.

We maintain a strong balance sheet with plenty of liquidity and continue to evaluate capital allocation strategies as we progress further on our strategic alternatives. Lastly, we improved our internal controls over financial reporting and successfully remediated our previously reported material weaknesses related to our tax accounting.

With that, I'll turn it back to Tom. .

Tom Ferguson

Thanks Philip. Here are some key indicators that we are paying particular attention to. For the Metal Coating segments, galvanizing business, we are carefully tracking fabrication and construction activity, material and labor cost inflation and progress of infrastructure legislation.

For service technologies we are primarily focused on expanding our customer base and some of our customers may take considerable time in getting back to normal production.

For Infrastructure Solutions we're off to a decent start with turn around and outage activity having returned to a normal level, and the fall season is currently looking to be quite good. The Electoral Platform is benefiting from transmission distribution and utility spending, and increasing data center and battery energy storage activity.

Finally for corporate, we are focused on completing the strategic review of infrastructure solutions and replacing our credit facility. We remain committed to our growth strategy around Metal Coatings and achieving 21% to 23% operating margins with galvanizing performance being quite steady as we continue to improve Surface Technologies.

We will remain inquisitive, particularly in galvanizing. For Infrastructure Solutions we will continue to focus on profitable growth in our core businesses. Our Infrastructure Solutions business unit should benefit from more normal turnaround and outage seasons in a solid market for T&D, utility and datacenter E-houses and switchgear.

And with that, we'll open it up for questions. .

Operator

We will now begin the question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions]. Our first question today comes from John Franzreb with Sidoti & Company..

John Franzreb

Good morning guys.

First, regarding the corporate, could you just talk about the winter storm's impact, maybe on the fourth quarter and if there’s every been any differed revenue into the first quarter of ’22?.

Philip Schlom

I think in the first quarter we were impacted during the last couple weeks of the year, mostly here in North Texas up to the Midwest a little bit. A lot of our business was able to recover during the last two weeks of the year, but there would be some carryover we believe into the first quarter. .

Tom Ferguson

It's pretty minor though. .

John Franzreb

Minor meaning just a couple of million or beyond that scope?.

Tom Ferguson

Not even that much. .

John Franzreb

Okay, all right. Secondly, can you talk a little bit about providing zinc costs? You mentioned in your prepared remarks Tom, roughly about 30 a pound.

What kind of headwind did that present to you in the year ahead?.

Tom Ferguson

You know I think we're seeing zinc costs have been fairly stable now for a little while, so in that $1.25 to $1.30 range.

I think it's down even a little bit more than that right now, but likely that too could be in the – I’ve thought about 25 or 26 range, and if it stays there, you know our costs – we've already got a lot within about six months, so its normal inventory in our cattle, so you know we don't look for tremendous headwinds or even significant headwinds in the first part of the year.

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John Franzreb

Okay, great.

And you said that the turnaround season was looking better in the fall, but closer to home, what's the spring turnaround season look like relative to the last time we spoke a couple of months ago?.

A - Tom Ferguson

It's active. We're deployed on quite a few projects. We've only had one that I'm aware of that’s been – where the crew's been pulled back because of COVID on one international job. So for the most part, it's active. I'm just really significantly better than the spring of last year. We don't have any, what I’d call Wales you know.

No mega projects, but a good stream of activity in a lot of those because there's been delays. A lot of them are having good scope growth as we’re getting on site, so it should be a good solid season. .

John Franzreb

Okay, I'll get back into queue and let somebody else take the questions..

A - Tom Ferguson

Thanks John..

Operator

Our next question comes from Noelle Dilts with Stifel. .

Noelle Dilts

Hi guys, and congrats on finishing out a tough year. .

A - Tom Ferguson

Thanks Noelle..

Noelle Dilts

So my first question kind of sticks with the line of just raw material inflation.

I was hoping you could speak to how you're thinking about you know steel costs that have escalated and how that impacts you know the cost side of your business with an industrial position and then if you're seeing any impact on demand as it relates to metal coatings and just generally things being produced with steel. Thanks. .

A - Tom Ferguson

Yeah, I think on the raw material for – particularly on the electrical side where they buy a lot of metal for fabrication, for the most part you know we have relatively short cycle times and in terms of from the time we quote to the time a job books, so you know we're talking a matter of weeks, maybe a couple of months.

So for the most part we’re able to work those increased costs into our bids and so I’d say that’s the vast majority of so far what has been happening.

On the Metal Coatings side, we are seeing – so far you know we haven't seen a lot of either cancellations or delays because of either availability of steel or the cost of steel, but we are hearing more of that in the market place and so you know it doesn't pose a headwind at the moment, but definitely something we're paying close attention to, and because we do have a lot of our fabricators that are running tight on steel availability for the projects.

In the longer term, you know as soon as we get towards the latter part of the year, if steel continues to appreciate in cost, we could see that happen, creating some headwinds for us, but for the moment it’s just mostly noise. .

Noelle Dilts

Okay, that’s helpful. So then I was hoping you could expand a bit on just some of the key returns you’re seeing, the key metal coatings markets. I'm always interested in what you're hearing on T&D, galvanizing – I’m sorry, T&D forward and then the industrial and the infrastructure markets. .

A - Tom Ferguson

Yes, so there's been active – we've seen an uptick there and that’s always good for hot dip galvanizing, so that's been positive. Quite a bit of transmission distribution pull activity, including some of the 5G stuff and so you know we’re feeling fairly bullish on where that's been going and… Ag has been good.

I think we've seen that you know coming out of the floods from the prior year, so we've seen quite a bit of Ag activity throughout the Midwest, which is positive for our sites. And the other thing, we were not expecting to see a lot of recreation staff, but we have seen some of that too and strangely enough a lot of dioxin [ph].

So it's been relatively positive and the major markets have been good. We even have a pretty good sized petrochemical project that we've seen some activity on, and so just generally positive. .

Noelle Dilts

Okay, great. And then obviously a lot of you know headlines in the news information, in the news about the potential for Nurasol. Could you speak to how you kind of think about your exposure to some of the categories that have been proposed to-date.

I understand you know the ultimate goal will likely be you know something different from what we're looking at today, but that's sort of how you are thinking about the opportunity there. .

Tom Ferguson

Yeah, you know the difficulty for us is by the time this – any of the actual spend flows into our customer base, our fabricators for the most part, you know we're not looking at much and we're not expecting much of an impact this year.

So it really starts to get us a little more excited about maybe next year, but almost any infrastructure spend is good for our metal coatings business, but when it comes on the electrical power Gen and transmission distribution, we know the grid has to continue to be updated and expanded, particularly as we saw here in Texas through the winter storm.

So that's good for not just our metals coatings side, but it’s also good for infrastructure solutions, but right now we're just looking at it.

We're paying close attention as it more impacts the mood I guess and optimism if something got done, so – but it would definitely play into you know as we're looking at our facilities capacity and our capital deployment as we get through this year and into the next year. .

Noelle Dilts

All right, thanks very much. .

Tom Ferguson

Thanks Noelle..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is a follow-up from John Franzreb with Sidoti and Company..

John Franzreb

Yeah, can you just talk about the tax rate that you put in the fourth quarter and what you should be thinking about in 2022?.

A - Philip Schlom

Yeah, our tax rate finished up last year a little bit higher than we'd like to see and we’re finishing up the year we’re at with just over 22%. Might see a little bit of an uptick, 23%, 23.5%, but I think we're going to hover in that range, going for it at this point in time, unless there's obviously a tax bill change. .

John Franzreb

Any thoughts about the ample spending, you know at a good $37 million a year. How does that make – you know the company is currently configured in 2022. .

Tom Ferguson

I think that you’ll see we spent a little more last year, because we had a couple of growth initiatives. So you will see that capital spending come down a bit this year where we're continuing to invest in the business.

So I think we're in the $25 million of maintenance type spending and you'll probably see us in the $30 million, $35 million on a full year spend. .

John Franzreb

Okay, and just one last question about labor costs. Is there any issue as far as our personnel fully staffed, more activity to kind of give us an update, yeah. .

Tom Ferguson

Yeah, we're fully staffed, but we are – yeah, we’ve had to enhance our recruiting programs and the cost of entry level craft has been increasing and we look for that to continue.

I guess the good news is we're spread across 60 locations and so generally we're pulling from a lot of markets and in some cases for markets that are you know, are in a major metropolitan areas, so.

But it's definitely something we have a lot of focus on and resources deployed to make sure that we can get access to people and we are having to use some temp-up. It’s a bit more than the – also they are very light, but then we had to in the last couple years. But generally, you know you look at the labor as a percent of our total cost.

I don't know which business we want to talk about; it's manageable. .

John Franzreb

Okay, and comment on (a) – and I’m sorry to push this, but you know what does the pipeline look like and have you considered just giving us a kind of an update, your thoughts on them there. .

A - Tom Ferguson

Yeah, I think you know we've – we're normally a relational kind of buyer for the most part and so there's some things.

They are just places in North America that we can't get to and without quarantining for days or weeks, so we have a really, really solid pipeline, just slowed by the impact of COVID and like I said, I think all of my officers have been vaccinated now, so for the most part we do intend – we're ready to travel and get to the locations, so that we can in some cases get into due diligence, but in most cases just finalize negotiations.

And you know, I wish I could say we're going to get something done in this quarter, but it just looks like everything's dragging out an extra quarter or two in terms of our normal activity levels.

So while we'd like to get two or three deals done, usually in the early part of the deal we don't have that – we just don't have anything teed up that way, so.

But we will get some deals done this year and we've got enough in the pipeline to ensure that we can do that and it is loosening up, so we are getting out more and people are more willing to see us or even travel here for work, so. .

John Franzreb

Thank you for the follow-ups. I appreciate it. .

Operator

Our next question comes from DeForest Hinman with Walthausen & Co..

DeForest Hinman

Thanks for taking the questions. .

Tom Ferguson

Hi DeForest..

DeForest Hinman

A very good morning. Can you give us an update in terms of you know outlook on share repurchase activity and kind of wrapping up with a strategic review.

Are we precluded from buying stock as part of the strategic review with like a black out or anything?.

Tom Ferguson

We are subject DeForest to a normal black out. Well I shouldn't say that actually. We’re under a 10b5-1 plan, so we aren’t subject to that and we've got some restrictions on that, but they’ve been in the market continuing to buy stock opportunistically.

We’re evaluating that as part of a strategic review as to know the pricing, but we've continued to be in the market post February 28. .

DeForest Hinman

Perfect, that's helpful. And then just any color on the strategic up review from a benchmark perspective and from a timing perspective, you know we're waiting on the consultant to give us something. It's already been received. We’re reviewing it as the board looked at something and any color you can provide there would be very helpful to shareholders. .

A - Tom Ferguson

Yeah, we actually had our first in-person meeting with one of the advisors a couple of weeks ago. So that was encouraging. That's actually not a knock on anybody. It’s just you know kind of let you know it's the process. This is a complex project and we're doing – going through a thorough analysis. We've received preliminary packages to review.

We've had at least one review, actually probably two with the board, but you know we still have I think two or three fairly significant work streams in front of us. That'll continue on through the summer, so.

And then hopefully dependent on that progress we’ll be able to tighten up and give you some more definitive milestones hopefully by the time we talk next time. .

DeForest Hinman

Okay. And maybe just one final question on that. Has the board given us as a consultant, a deadline in terms of when they would like this to be completed and obviously yet you know COVID is starting to wrench with some things.

But is there tentatively a date when you think this would be completed?.

A - Tom Ferguson

Yeah, I think we probably started out with a time frame in mind, not realizing how much extra time was going to be involved because of COVID and doing video calls instead of in-person fact finding meetings and sessions and being able to travel to sites and stuff like that.

So, I think we are at – I believe is we've got a lot of questions that are being explored. We've got several work streams and its proceeding. We are now on a good pace.

Like I said, we had our – not that it was a kick off meeting, but we had our first face-to-face meeting just a couple weeks ago and we’d had a lot of video calls before that, a lot of teleconferences and our focus for now and probably through the next quarter or so is just making sure that Infrastructure Solutions performs, that our operations stay safe and functioning and that we are able to take care of our customers and minimize the distractions on the businesses as they focus on that.

Because it is still – there are still a lot of complexities with maintaining manufacturing operations and field service deployments in the face of COVID, so that's our focus right now. .

DeForest Hinman

Okay, that's helpful. And I'd like to just ask you, if you could provide a little bit more color on earlier a comment as it related to steel availability. It seems like from what I've been reading, a lot of steel companies are working very hard to keep volumes up.

Some commentary that some of the distributors may be unwilling to take a lot of inventory in the short term, so prices so elevated. Is there from your perspective a lack of inventory available broadly? Is it certain types of steel are not available? Any color you can provide in terms of what's happening on the ground would be very helpful. .

A - Tom Ferguson

Yeah, you know I think for us, its body. There's some places, some and I don't – without getting into any specific geographies or customer groups, you know it’s just general fabrication on large projects they are able to manage through this. But you've got some of those mid-sized projects where they all run into.

I hesitate to call it shortages right now, just delays and I think the bigger concern is over the cost appreciation as that starts to you know come into the justification on whether projects remain financially viable or not. So far I don't, I don't think we've seen anything actually of any significance canceled.

So it’s just right now it’s just delays and a lot of extra work to access the inventories or the steel they need. I'm not – I don't think it's any particular – well high beams and things like that, some of the structural stuff I think is a little harder to get to, and maybe that's more of a stocking issue. .

DeForest Hinman

Okay, that's helpful. Thanks for taking the questions today. .

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our next question is a follow up from Noelle Dilts with Stifel. .

Noelle Dilts

Thanks again. So I was hoping you could expand just a little bit on how you're thinking about the margin profile for the two divisions in fiscal ’22. You know I think for us the Metal Coatings margin came in a little bit ahead of our expectations.

So do you think you Q2 kind of sustained margins above the high-end of our target 21% to 23% range that you talked about in the past. Any color there would be helpful. Thanks. .

Philip Schlom

You know, I think they had some non-recurring one time things that helped them in the fourth quarter, so, and the fact that they are one time would -- but I think they're generally running.

You know I'd like to think they are going to be in the -- above the midpoint of that range and so call it 22%, 23% and of course as they are doing that, sometimes they are going to be able to pop above it.

I think as we, right now Surface Technology is not a big part of what we do, but as they continue to stabilize and improve those operations, that's going to help us trend towards the upper end of that range. .

Philip Schlom

Hi Noelle, this is Phillip. On the other side of the Infrastructure Solutions and Electrical, I think we've seen the bottom there, you know late last year. So as we progress, you know hopefully these businesses are stabilized and we'll see better business going forward and hopefully we'll see some margin improvement there as well. .

Tom Ferguson

Yeah, our focus there right now is building the back logs back in some of the businesses and they're still pulled down by that little bit of well pads that they have exposure to.

But we still want to train those back to double digit operating margins as strategically that's where we think they should be and we think they can get there particularly as we divested SMS, which was a low single digit if you will, operating margin business, that tended to have some fluctuation greater than its size.

So I think we're better positioned with what we have and we got a better spread in WSI and the Industrial piece that’s around the world, so that we can take advantage of some of the refinery turnaround activity in other parts of the world and we're just not as dependent on the U.S. as we used to think. .

Noelle Dilts

Right. Okay, that’s it from me. Thanks. .

Tom Ferguson

Thanks Noelle. .

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Baldwin, with Baldwin Anthony Securities. .

Bill Baldwin

Hey, good morning Tom and Phil. .

Tom Ferguson

Hey Bill. .

Bill Baldwin

Tom, you mentioned that the outlook for the grid, you continue spending on the grid. It looks like it's going to continue to be pretty good over the next several years, and you indicated that is a positive also for your Infrastructure business.

Could you be more specific as far as the particular products that you think will primarily benefit from continued spending to improve the grid?.

Tom Ferguson

Oh, yeah. The enclosures, E-houses are really well positioned given our three locations. You know, outside of Baltimore, then in Chattanooga and Pittsburg, Kansas. And then the switchgear businesses, we like Fulton, which is more the utility grade.

Switchgears is well positioned in Missouri, and then up in Oshkosh we've got more the industrial muni kind of switchgears. So we just like the range of products we have and feel good about our locations.

The operations in a COVID disrupted year, we are able to really focus on their efficiencies, and driving and improving their operations and its – so we’re bullish on E-houses and switchgear, and we've got the additional opportunities in the E-house side coming from data centers and battery storage.

So we're very bullish there, and then galvanizing hot dip just as soon as you get into poles and hardware and, you know solar, any of the renewable for the most part you know it’s just good steel and that's good for our galvanizing business.

So I'd say that's – our other businesses may benefit, so that systems a little bit, but that’s not really – you know it was in their sweet spot, so right. .

Bill Baldwin

And secondly, can you give us a little feel for the – also benefit international, outside of your specialty welding business, but more of your traditional legacy, electrical and industrial business. .

Philip Schlom

We don't have much outside of the U.S. You know we’ve got the China work, and we see the drop in our backlog, and a big chunk to a drop in the backlogs, a reduction in China, orders we've been working on for the last couple years and haven't taken a lot of new orders in China. .

Tom Ferguson

Well we just took one, but so there is activity. I think being competitive and because of the travel restrictions our executives that would normally be traveling from the U.S. to Saudi or to China, you know that's just not happening. So I think that just, it creates a little bit of a hurdle for us.

So as travel opens up and you know once again I mentioned most of our folks are getting vaccinated so that they can travel and I look for that as we probably get into the second quarter, into the summer. .

Bill Baldwin

But your JV over there in Saudi Arabia is still activity, right, and it’s still....

Tom Ferguson

It is over there and it’s open for business – yeah, I think we could see some activity over there, that that would be good. .

Bill Baldwin

So that could be the class all right then. You can see some interesting developments. I was throwing adders – you know what you’re thinking might be – are you at all considering any kind of international activities for your coating business or ….

Tom Ferguson

Yeah, international if you want to call, you know North America outside of the U.S. potentially. .

Bill Baldwin

Sure, okay. So you are going to stick to North America outages. .

Tom Ferguson

Pretty much. .

Bill Baldwin

Okay, all right. .

A - Tom Ferguson

Nice talking to you Bill. .

Bill Baldwin

Thank you. .

Philip Schlom

Thanks Bill. .

Operator

This concludes our question-and-answer session. I'd like to turn the call back over to Mr. Tom Ferguson for any closing remarks. .

Tom Ferguson

I just thank everybody for being on the call with us today, and I look forward to finishing out our first quarter and being able to give you more and deeper updates on our progress on the Infrastructure Solutions evaluation work and that effort, as well as looking forward to reporting out our first quarter as a much more normalized Q1 versus what we were talking about last year.

So look forward to that update in a couple of months. Thank you. .

Operator

The conference is now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect..

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