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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q4
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Executives

Chris Toth - Investor Relations Jeff Green - Founder and Chief Executive Officer Robert Perdue - Chief Operating Officer Paul Ross - Chief Financial Officer.

Analysts

Youssef Squali - SunTrust Robinson Humphrey Brian Fitzgerald - Jefferies & Co., Kerry Rice - Needham & Company Shyam Patil - Susquehanna International Group, LLP Tim Nollen - Macquarie Capital Inc. Aaron Kessler - Raymond James & Associates.

Operator

Greetings and welcome to The Trade Desk Fourth Quarter and Full-Year 2017 Earnings Conference Call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. A question-and-answer session will follow the formal presentation. [Operator Instructions] As a remainder, today's conference is being recorded.

I would now like to turn the conference over to your host, Chris Toth, Heat of Investor Relations..

Chris Toth Vice President of Investor Relations

Thank you, operator. Hello and good afternoon. Welcome to The Trade Desk fourth quarter and full-year 2017 earnings conference call. On the call today are Founder and CEO, Jeff Green; Chief Operating Officer, Rob Perdue; and Chief Financial Officer, Paul Ross.

A copy of our earnings press release can be found on our website at thetradedesk.com in the Investor Relations section. Before we begin, I would like to remind you that, except for historical information, the matters that we will be describing will be forward-looking statements, which are dependent upon certain risks and uncertainties.

I encourage you to refer to the risk factors included in our press release and our most recent SEC filings. In addition to reporting our GAAP financial results, we present supplemental non-GAAP financial data. A reconciliation of the Non-GAAP to GAAP measures can be found in our earnings press release.

We believe providing non-GAAP measures combined with our GAAP results provides a more meaningful representation regarding the Company's operational performance. I will now turn the call over to Founder and CEO, Jeff Green.

Jeff?.

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks Chris. Good afternoon, and thanks to everyone for joining us today. Q4 was an outstanding quarter for The Trade Desk and the capstone to a terrific year where we again exceeded the goals we set out to achieve.

In 2017, we surpassed $1.55 billion in total spend, resulting in annual revenues of $308 million, which is an increase of 52% year-over-year. This growth is almost double the rate of the programmatic industry's 27%, according to Magna Global.

Just as we did the previous year, we believe we continued to gain more share in price discoverable programmatic advertising than anyone. The growth, share gain, and momentum of our business heading into 2018 reflects the investments we have made over the past several years and our focus on serving agencies and advertisers objectively.

We generated an adjusted EBITDA of $95.5 million for 2017, which reflects an adjusted EBITDA margin of 31%. This $95.5 million is a record for The Trade Desk that came even as we aggressively invested in developing products, growing channels, and expanding global business that we expect will deliver strong ROI in the coming years.

Q4 2017 revenues were $102.6 million and up 42% from Q4 2016. Q4 2017 adjusted EBITDA was $39.5 million for an adjusted EBITDA margin of 38.5% again demonstrating our operating leverage. As we have each quarter since our IPO, we have once again exceeded our guidance. While these numbers are great, they tell only part of the story.

Our execution in Q4 is especially meaningful because our Ventura headquarters and team were significantly impacted by the fires and mudslides that ripped through Southern California.

We came together as a team during this challenging time, not only to help each other and the community, but also to close out another record-breaking Q4 for the Trade Desk. I am in awe of this team's resilience, courage, and generosity, and thank everyone at The Trade Desk for pulling together in such a powerful way.

I'd also like to thank our customers and our partners and investors for their outpouring of support during that time. Before we discuss 2018, I'd like to talk about some of the highlights of 2017 - especially from the second half of the year because I think it will illuminate why we have so much momentum and so much confidence heading into 2018.

I'd like to first update you on the progress of the key growth initiatives that we outlined in our last Investor Day. There's five that will drive our growth for the next couple of years. First, we will focus on growing spend across all channels.

Being omnichannel is the only way to win but we believe, ultimately everything is a dress rehearsal for the migration from Traditional TV to Connected TV and online video. In a minute, I want to discuss our significant progress on this front during Q4 2017.

Second, to service the biggest brands we must be global, which requires our expansion into China. Third, as an independent player - meaning we don't own media, we can lead an industry-wide identity footprint, which is necessary to be the best at our fifth initiative.

Our fourth strategic initiative is to increase our data offering and our fifth initiative is to build the tools to revolutionize media, planning and buying. I'll elaborate a bit on our progress on all five of these initiatives.

As a preface, I'd like to highlight that IDC estimates that global advertising will be $704 billion in 2018, which is up by 4% from their projection from 2017. Additionally, Magna Global expects RTB programmatic advertising to grow by 21% this year. To understand why these growth initiatives are so important to us, you have to understand our vision.

We maintain that eventually all advertising will be transacted programmatically. With current growth rates, global advertising will be a trillion-dollar industry in less than 10 years. Our vision is to make it better by making all advertising transactions data-driven programmatic choices.

We are in a land-grab mode, and we expect to grow meaningfully faster than the industry for as far as we can see into the future, which is why these initiatives are so important to our growth. Our first initiative is growing our omnichannel offering to advertise across channels and devices in a coordinated and objective way.

We see our long-term omnichannel strategy validated by strong growth in multiple channels. For 2017, we hit a major milestone. Mobile surpassed display as the largest channel on our platform for the first time. In Q4 alone, 40% of spend was directed toward mobile and in-app advertising, growing 67% over the previous year.

Display advertising continues to be a “go to” for many brands, but we're seeing a much broader mix of channels in their media buys.

This expansion is represented by the massive growth in channels we had on the platform in 2017, such as native which grew 600% or audio, which grew by 1000%, and video, a channel we have been in much longer than native or audio grew 70%.

As advertising dollars flow into channels beyond traditional display, we are reaping the rewards of the investments we made early on in these channels. And while I'm very positive about our prospects in mobile, perhaps the only thing that I'm more passionate and more bullish about than mobile is Connected TV. A change of this magnitude is rare.

I don't think we will see a transition like this again in any of our lifetimes, the convergence of the internet and TV. 10 years ago, only a trickle of TV content streamed through the internet, but today nearly all the world's leading linear TV networks are providing app-based content through smart TVs and mobile devices.

The $225 billion in annual worldwide TV ad spending, according to IDC, is shifting along with the content. We have seen these trends develop and we are building on the solid foundation we established in Connected TV over the last two years. When we committed to CTV, we invested in our platform and formed our initial inventory supply partnerships.

And then, from Q2 2016 to Q2 2017, our available CTV inventory grew by 1000%, which I stated at the time was the most bullish number we could share about CTV. Then, from Q4 2016 to Q4 2017, CTV spend in The Trade Desk platform increased 535%.

In fact, the month of December 2017 over the month of December 2016, the growth rate was even higher at almost 1000%. This is probably the most bullish fact we can share about our performance in 2017.

We continue to grow our inventory partnerships, add audience, targeting data, refine attribution, and integrate CTV into our overall omnichannel strategy. During this phase of growth, we are expecting CTV spend to at least double in 2018. And we see tremendous upside beyond that as we move closer to large publishers and emerging streaming services.

We are confident that the most efficient way for any publisher to optimally monetize inventory and get as much demand as possible is by partnering with an objective platform such as ours that brings so many advertisers together it cannot be ignored.

The phenomenal growth of CTV also sets us up for success as we continue to focus on another massive market opportunity for The Trade Desk to expand our business in China. Our second strategic growth initiative is to grow internationally. It is land grab time on this initiative more than ever.

While all our international business is growing at almost double the rate of our North American business, China represents the biggest long-term international opportunity for our Company.

China is the only place where the CTV evolution maybe ahead of the United States, so China is a place where our two biggest initiatives overlap; international growth and CTV growth. In 2018, according to eMarketer, China is expected to have nearly 250 million CTV users compared to only about 180 million in the U.S.

The beauty of CTV in China, from our perspective, is that it is primarily based on long-form content and ad-funded, which gives advertisers tremendous opportunity to reach the fastest-growing middle class in history. There is no debate that programmatic in China is growing faster than in the United States.

That is why we are investing heavily in China and why it is a key piece to The Trade Desk's long-term global growth plans. 2018 is a year of strengthening relationships and trust in China. We established a major office in Shanghai last year, and we are building a solid in-country leadership team.

We continue to grow partnerships with some of the most prominent firms in China, highlighted by our partnership last year with Baidu and our recent partnership with Alibaba's YouKu. YouKu is the largest online video provider in China, according to Digiday, with over 580 million unique views per month. Advertising represents about 80% of its revenue.

We are also especially excited about our new partnership with Miaozhen, China's leading digital advertising measurement and optimization firm. The data-driven insights that its platforms can provide will help users of The Trade Desk find, target, and refine audiences and hone in on the most effective advertising strategies.

The key to growing business in China is cultivating relationships for the long haul, which has always been The Trade Desk's strategy in every market. We are on the ground not only in Shanghai, China but also in six other major media centers in the Asia-Pacific region.

Because of the importance of these markets to The Trade Desk's future, in 2018, I expect to spend more time than I have ever have in Asia to build our team and the strategic relationships that will form the foundation for our success in the region. We are “all in” on this opportunity.

While we are bullish on China and Asia-Pacific, we are equally bullish on the rest of our international markets. Over two-thirds of the worldwide advertising spend is outside North America, and we expect The Trade Desk's revenue to reflect that trend as these markets expand over the long-term.

In 2017, international revenues for The Trade Desk grew at just over 2.5 times the 45% rate of North American revenue growth. In Q4, that international revenue growth rate was 3 times that of North America. We also saw especially strong growth in our European markets, where every office in that region increased their business by 100% or more.

Our German office grew its business by over 200% in Q4. We've incorporated into our business plans for the region developments such as GPDR and look forward to continuing strong expansion. In both Asia and Europe, we see our international business as a key growth driver for 2018.

Our third strategic growth initiative is working with other companies in the industry to create an identity footprint that is far broader than even the biggest “walled garden” approaches in the marketplace.

Some of the largest publishers, ad exchanges, and SSPs in the world have signed on with our Unified Open ID effort to ensure a fair and transparent marketplace. It also ensures we have a common consumer-safe ID so that we can leverage exponentially more data.

Although, we are still in the early stages of adoption, we are already starting to see some of the benefits in 2018. Related to our efforts in IDs, the integration of our first acquisition, Adbrain, is going extremely well and we expect it to start paying dividends in the second half of this year.

Our fourth growth initiative is to increase our data offering. In 2017, data spend on our platform grew by 65%. Data represents a large, untapped opportunity. The Trade Desk is firmly committed to aggregating the very best data wherever we find it so that agencies and brands can get measurable results.

When it comes down to driving campaigns with either data or guessing, we believe data wins every time. We have only scratched the surface of what we can do with data products and are implementing several initiatives in 2018 to make certain significantly more data is used on every single impression.

As part of our fifth growth initiative, in 2018 The Trade Desk will launch an enhanced user experience in our platform based on data visualization that we believe will be a game-changer for our customers and the industry. We will also unveil robust media planning tools that will leverage our data to model optimum campaigns.

Both of these significant releases are now in private beta and will go live over the next few months. You'll hear more about these exciting developments in future calls. We're not stopping there, however. We've grown our engineering team so that it is now the largest group in the company.

We invested about 40% of our development budget in 2017 into products that will ship in 2018 and these products will enable us to deliver more software and more user value than ever before. In this area, we have chosen to trade current earnings for what we believe will be accelerated future revenue growth.

Another highlight from 2017 was, in close collaboration with our agency partners, bringing spend from some of the biggest brands in the world into our platform. Exiting Q4, nearly half of the top 200 global advertisers spent at least $1 million on The Trade Desk platform.

It is our goal to always deliver high ROI to the brands and agencies using our platform so that they realize more value with us than they expend. As this happens, The Trade Desk wins more share and builds more credibility with the agencies and advertisers.

As our transparency, objectivity, and solid business model earn trust, these brands continue to scale up with us. We are seeing their spend in 2018 growing significantly as The Trade Desk is built into their media plans. We have also made significant progress on marketplace quality.

In what we believe is an industry first, we partnered with White Ops, one of the most sophisticated cyber security firms out there today, to scan every single impression - about 9 million a second - offered through our platform before we ever make a bid on it.

With this partnership, we can prevent fraud before it occurs to create the safest programmatic environment in the industry. In conclusion, we are pleased to report The Trade Desk had a strong Q4 and full-year 2017 and we look forward to continuing strength in 2018.

The biggest brands in the world continue to shift their advertising spending to programmatic through our platform, and our software-as-service business model has been proven solid and capable of generating alpha in revenue and market share growth. We continue to have a customer retention rate of over 95%.

Our product teams continue to rapidly develop and deploy the tools the ever-evolving market needs. In 2018, we expect gross spend in our platform to be over $2.1 billion resulting in revenues of at least $403 million.

We are one of a few high-growth software-as-a-service companies of similar size that is consistently profitable, and we intend to use that strength to invest vigorously and prudently in our growth. We have proven the value of investing ahead and getting in early to key markets and channels.

With the investments we are making today, we anticipate reaping additional rewards of increasing revenue growth in the years to come as a result.

In the year ahead, we are making incremental investments of $15 million to $20 million in high-opportunity areas such as mobile, Connected TV, global expansion, and creating a safer programmatic environment. All of these areas are critical to grabbing share and deepening our engagement and strategic importance with our customers.

For example, our expanding data partnerships and offerings will put data to work at scale, particularly in the CTV and mobile channels. Our commitment to building teams where business is growing, such as China and other international markets, lets us respond rapidly to trends in global ad spending.

Investments in initiatives such as Ads.txt, the WhiteOps partnership, and our Unified Open ID effort lead to not only programmatic being a safer place to invest ad dollars, but to The Trade Desk creating the safest scaled digital ad marketplace that has ever existed. We expect our adjusted EBITDA for 2018 to be 29% of revenue.

Since we have historically proven our operating leverage, we see this as a time to invest. We are not aiming to maximize profit this year, but believe we are doing the best thing for the growth of our business and the ultimate profitability over the long-term. We expect to continue the momentum we had in Q4 into our Q1.

We expect our Q1 revenue to be $73 million and Q1 adjusted EBITDA to be $7.5 million. Since the secular tailwind is strong and revenue has been biased to the upside, should we see any revenue upside in 2018 as we did in 2017, we can expect much of that to drop down to adjusted EBITDA line as it did this past year.

The Trade Desk is in a fortunate position. We have a strong business whose model hasn't changed since inception, and we have continued product momentum. We are executing well. We are poised for growth, and 2017 was an excellent year. We expect 2018 to be even better.

Now I'd like to turn the call over to Rob for his comments on our operational performance..

Robert Perdue

Thanks, Jeff, and good afternoon, everyone. Our business continued its strong trajectory in the fourth quarter, and we exited 2017 with strong momentum. Total fourth-quarter revenue increased 42% year-over-year, led by our mobile channel, which grew 67%. Mobile is now our largest channel by total spend and we expect it to increase further in 2018.

Our Native channel also had an amazing quarter, increasing over 200% from the prior year; our audio channel grew over 600%; video grew 61%; and as Jeff mentioned, Connected TV grew 535% from a year-ago.

Throughout the year, we put a lot of our focus on things like growing our network infrastructure, adding features to our platform, hiring our newest employees or building out our global management structure, all with the goal of improving our scale and being ready to deliver results for agencies and advertisers in Q4, which is our seasonally strongest quarter.

We delivered on those goals, and one of the best indicators of this came during the holiday advertising push in November and December, where we generated significantly more business from many of the advertisers on our platform from many industries, including retail, technology, automotive, finance, CPGs, and many SMBs.

Expanding our omnichannel presence is a key part of our operational goals and some of our bigger highlights from the quarter included the emergence of significant spend on our Connected TV channel and the breakout spend growth in our native channel.

An example of this was a major technology company that through their large global agency initiated ad spend across our channels in mobile, audio, display, native, video, and for the first time in Q4, Connected TV, to dramatically increase their scale and find the same users across multiple browsers and devices.

By expanding their omnichannel approach, the advertiser was able to achieve their marketing objectives, and we saw the advertiser's spend increase over 100% from November to December. This is amazing, considering that 100% increase was off a multi-million dollar ad spend base in November.

Now, as I describe every quarter, from an operational perspective, we are focused on three core priorities. Number one, to remain the objective and independent trusted partner for our customers; number two, focus on growing our omnichannel presence; and three, to continue to grow our international footprint.

Starting with the first item, our goal is to build trust with our customers and partners by remaining objective and independent. I want to emphasize that The Trade Desk is the only truly objective, scaled, self-service, and dedicated buy-side software platform in the industry.

Trust starts with our people, and each year we focus our hiring efforts in the first half of the year, so that each new employee is fully trained and ready to advise and contribute to our customers' success during the higher-volume second half of the year. We exited 2017 with 657 active customers and over 36,000 advertisers on the platform.

We achieved a continued customer retention rate over 95% for the 16 quarter in a row and a combined cohort growth of 40% for the year. We also had the biggest year ever in terms of onboarding new customers who brought in nearly $125 million in new spend.

To help achieve these results, we onboarded 246 employees in 2017, ending the year with 713 employees worldwide. 30% of our team is now outside the United States.

Our team, many of whom are customer-facing, earns the trust of agencies and advertisers every day by continually to highlight the benefits of The Trade Desk and proving it, not only with deep marketing insights, but also with measurable results.

A great example of this came in Q4 from a large global restaurant chain that had historically run their programmatic campaigns with a large competitor of ours. They were open to testing our platform, and so we seized the opportunity.

Based on our review of their marketing goals, we recommended optimizing the test campaigns by referencing the frequency of purchases by repeat customers. Our approach worked as it enabled the advertiser to increase their number of customer conversions by 65%, while at the same time decreasing their cost to acquire those customers by 46%.

That is a massive difference in ROI on their marketing spend versus the incumbent competitor, and it's representative of what our team does every day.

Even as we have increased our headcount to propel our growth, we maintained our annualized revenue per employee of about $435,000, which continues to stand out amongst other SaaS and industry peers growing at our pace and at our size.

Annualized revenue per employee is a key metric that shows how our business model was designed to scale efficiently and we continue to execute strongly on that front, while we provide the best customer service and support in the industry. Next, I want to focus on our commitment to growing our omnichannel presence.

Empirical evidence, across industries and across any type of campaign goal firmly supports the view that buying advertising in a coordinated way across multiple channels, when combined with intelligent targeting, makes a meaningful difference in marketing performance for advertisers.

As we have developed robust offerings across mobile, video, and display channels and built trust through delivering results, we have seen many advertisers expand their omnichannel spend on our platform.

As a result, we see very strong growth from our most promising channels audio, native, and Connected TV, which all grew multiples faster than our larger more mature channels. These emerging channels collectively made up over $100 million in spend on our platform in 2017.

Today, as we exit 2017, over 50% of the advertisers on our platform use more than half of all the ad channels in their campaigns, which is up significantly from a year ago.

In Q4, our total mobile spend, including in-app and mobile video, represented 40% of our total business and grew 67% year-over-year, while overall mobile advertising in 2017 was expected to grow by about 30%, according to Zenith.

At over two times the growth of the industry rate, we continue to gain our share of incremental ad dollars moving to programmatic and into the mobile channels specifically. We expect this trend to continue.

Every day more people around the world are spending more time on their mobile devices, and advertisers are shifting their budgets to reach them through in-app advertising, mobile video, and mobile browsers. We are also seeing fantastic traction in our Connected TV channel.

While still in its infancy, Connected TV grew well over 6x compared with a year ago. Our customer-facing teams have been working closely with agency trading teams to incorporate more Connected TV buying into their clients' overall programmatic strategy, and I want to call out a few success stories from Q4.

The first is a large digital media company that has increased their spend 600% year-over-year, mainly due to increases in spend on Connected TV. They are one of our biggest adopters on the platform.

One of the key factors that has enabled their growth was our access to a variety of scaled inventory sources in our private marketplace including on content providers like Roku, and Hulu, or Apple TV, just to cite a few examples.

Our client also appreciated how easily Connected TV campaigns can be activated on our platform, and how they could count on us for the strategic and technical support to make sure their campaigns run successfully. Another success story is from a large, well-known brand where we won a large amount of new spend.

And spend from ad dollars that traditionally had been spent on linear TV advertising that they were moving into Connected TV. Connected TV now represents a core part of their advertising strategy and is core to their programmatic spending goals.

This is because CTV allows them more precise audience targeting, broader channel expansion, and much better campaign performance measurement versus linear TV advertising. Through their agency, they turned to The Trade Desk to use our platform tools, access premium inventory, and measure the impact of their Connected TV buys.

They used both audience targeting and Nielsen OTT measurements to exceed the brand's key performance metrics centered around reaching on-target audiences. I also want to touch a little on our inventory and data partnerships. We believe that adding new partnerships is a major differentiator for us.

You regularly hear us talking about Connected TV inventory such as Hulu, Sling, DIRECTV, Roku, or audio inventory with Spotify. We launched these partnerships more than a year ago, but we are constantly adding new partners. Just this week, we announced a partnership with Pandora for new scale digital audio inventory.

We are also excited about new Connected TV inventory partners, including The NFL Network, TNT, The FX and The Travel Channel. These are just a few examples that we brought on board recently. Exiting 2017, we have more than 135 data partners on our platform and have more than 72 inventory integrations, many of which are supply-side platforms.

We've built a repeatable process where we can quickly add new inventory sources and new data companies in our platform for our customers to then use in their ad campaigns. This enables us to offer better targeting and performance through the use of data and more access to quality inventory all over the world.

As a result, during 2017, advertisers on our platform had access to more addressable inventory and used more data than all of 2015 and 2016 combined. While we move forward with expanding our partnerships on inventory and data, we are also pushing forward with our third priority which is expanding our geographic footprint.

In Q4, international spend outpaced that of the U.S. by more than 3x. Exiting the year, our international business amounted to just about 13% of total spend globally. Nearly every one of our offices outside of the U.S. grew over 100% year-over-year for the full-year 2017.

Today, Asia is nearly one-third of the total global ad spend and is expected to see some of the fastest programmatic growth in the coming years. eMarketer estimates that China grew programmatic spend by 49% in 2017 compared with about 28% in the U.S.

In Southeast Asia which eMarketer defines as Singapore, Indonesia, Thailand, Malaysia, Vietnam and the Philippines, digital mobile ad growth of about 60% is expected in 2018. We are extremely bullish on growth in Asia.

We believe we are the first in the region with products built specifically for each market and we have deep relationships with many of the large global agencies that have a meaningful presence throughout Asia. But Asia is not the only area from where we believe growth will come. Europe is also expected to grow rapidly.

Programmatic digital ad spend in the UK is expected to increase 20% and in Germany 30% year-on-year, according to eMarketer. We have been growing at rates 4 times or 5 times faster than that in each of those markets and are seeing share gains from other platforms and increased ad budgets from new customers as well.

The Trade Desk is one of the only places where sophisticated advertisers at scale can buy the whole digital universe objectively and at scale, without being locked inside one of the large walled gardens. And our customers are doing just that it on our platform across more channels from mobile to Connected TV to audio than anywhere else.

As we continue to leverage our greatest asset which is objectivity and add more inventory and features worldwide to our platform, we will dramatically improve the quality of ads for consumers and the efficacy of ads for advertisers. We are very confident in our strategy, the direction of our business, and the opportunities ahead of us in 2018.

Now I am going to turn the call over to Paul to discuss our financials..

Paul Ross

Thanks, Rob, and good afternoon, everyone. We are extremely proud of our performance in 2017, as we continued to execute and deliver solid results against our key financial metrics. We grew revenue 52% year-over-year, adjusted EBITDA 46% year-over-year, and GAAP net income 148% year-over-year.

We did this all while continuing to invest aggressively in areas critical to our future growth such as adding engineering talent and expanding our global reach. We continued to gain market share, ending the year with over $1.55 billion in spend on our platform, up from approximately $1 billion a year-ago.

Mobile spend was the primary driver of our growth, increasing 87%, and 2017 marked the first year that total mobile spend was greater than display. Now turning to our financials, revenue for the fourth quarter was $102.6 million, up 42% year-over-year.

This growth reflects both expansion of spend by existing customers plus the addition of new customers. Approximately 87% of our fourth quarter gross spend came from existing customers who have been with us for over one year.

On an annual basis, revenue for the 2017 fiscal year was $308 million, up 52% year-over-year, with 91% of our gross spend coming from existing customers. Adjusted EBITDA was $39.5 million with a corresponding margin of 38% of revenue during Q4. Margins are typically the strongest in the fourth quarter given the seasonal strength in advertising spend.

For the full-year, adjusted EBITDA was $95.5 million, for a 31% margin reflecting our revenue over performance, even as we increased our investments in product, people, and global expansion. In Q4, stock-based compensation was $8.9 million, an increase from prior quarters, which was primarily the result of the Company's employee stock purchase plan.

For the year, stock-based compensation was $21.3 million or just under 7% of revenue. Our effective tax rate for Q4 was 40% and for the full-year 2017 our effective tax rate was 20.3%. GAAP net income was $16.8 million for the fourth quarter of 2017, or $0.38 per fully-diluted share.

For the full-year, 2017 GAAP net income was $50.8 million or $1.15 per diluted share. GAAP net income increased 148% compared to a year-ago and 2017 marked our fourth consecutive year of positive GAAP net income. Our adjusted earnings per share was $0.54 for the fourth quarter compared with $0.33 in the prior year.

For the year, our adjusted earnings per share was $1.60 up 80% compared with the prior year. Net cash provided by operating activities was $31 million for 2017, and we closed the year with $156 million in cash. As of today, we also have approximately $200 million available on our revolver.

While cash flow from operations can fluctuate widely from quarter-to-quarter due to seasonality and the timing of payables and receivables, our cash from operations on a trailing 12-month basis continues to trend positively.

Our net cash position of $129 million at year-end and our revolver is more than sufficient to manage the ups and downs of our working capital. Our DSOs for 2017 ended at 119 days, and our DPOs for 2017 were 104 days.

The 15-day spread between our DSOs and DPOs exiting the year is the lowest it has ever been and is a result of internal initiatives to better align our payables and receivables. Finally, I would like to share our guidance for the first quarter and full-year 2018. For Q1, we expect revenue to be $73 million and adjusted EBITDA to be $7.5 million.

And for 2018, we expect the full year revenue to be $403 million on total gross spend of over $2.1 billion and adjusted EBITDA to be $117 million or about 29% of revenue. We believe our forecasted adjusted EBITDA at 29% of revenue provides adequate reserves to spend on the growth opportunities in front of us.

In 2018, we are planning to invest $15 million to $20 million as incremental dollars in areas such as platform operations as we scale up our infrastructure, in our tech and dev teams to deliver product in high-growth areas, such as Connected TV and mobile; and in sales and marketing as we build out our account teams, especially in Asia.

As in the 2017, for any revenue upside that we see in 2018 relative to our investment plan, we could again expect much of that to drop down into adjusted EBITDA. Our business model and the profitability we generate put us in a really advantageous position, and it is prudent to re-invest now for these massive potential future growth opportunities.

We expect total other expenses for the year to be about $4 million and we expect our full-year tax rate to be about 33%. We expect about $32 million in stock-based compensation expenses for the year and share count is expected to be about 46 million as we exit 2018.

And finally, we expect our capital investments to total about $19 million and depreciation and amortization expense to be about $11 million for the year. I will now turn the call back over to Jeff for final comments and, of course, Q&A.

Jeff?.

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Paul. In closing, let me reiterate that, while we are excited about The Trade Desk's current performance, we see even more potential for the future. As the worldwide advertising market grows to $1 trillion, we believe it will move to programmatic.

Programmatic is the fastest-growing segment of advertising, and The Trade Desk is growing faster than anyone in programmatic. When we see surprises, they tend to be to the upside. Now is the time to invest to grab market share and revenue and The Trade Desk will do so in 2018 and beyond.

That concludes our prepared remarks for this afternoon and now operator will open it up to questions..

Operator

At this time, we will be conducting a question-and-answer session. [Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from Youssef Squali, SunTrust. Please proceed with your question..

Youssef Squali

Thanks for taking the call or for taking the question. Two if I may. First, Jeff just piggybacking on something you said towards the end of the call that the investment that you are looking to do in 2018.

As we look at the guidance, it looks like taken into account that $15 million to $20 million additional spend, the margin should see some deterioration.

Should we be looking at 2018 as an investment year? And then starting at 2019, you start coming out of that or is this somewhat of a perpetual kind of state of affairs as long as you can continue to drive the topline above your original expectation you'll continue to spend, potentially at the expense of the margin maybe not in absolute dollars, but certainly the expense of the margins.

And second, the take rate implied in your 2018 guidance suggest less than 100bps compression, just trying to understand what gives you the confidence in that number considering all the pressure ad agencies are under and the 500% plus growth you spoke to with regards to the Connected TV were take rates are lower? Just any clarity there would be great.

Thank you..

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

You bet. First thanks for the question. In relation to the first question, margin compression and are we focused on growth or we focus on bottom line, I just want to be super clear.

It is land grab time in advertising, so we again believe that price discoverable problematic represents a little more than 2% of the global advertising pie which is growing and will be a $1 trillion in less than 10 years.

I don't know that there'll ever be a transition like the one we're experiencing now where transactions are going from inefficient pieces of paper and a handshake deal and martini lunches to digital transactions. And any focus on bottom line, I think would miss out on the opportunity, which is to grab land. So that is our focus.

One of the things that we think is really beneficial about our business model is that because there's so much operating leverage built into the business model.

That at times that's been difficult for us to invest that aggressively as we want to, so that in advertently as exposed our operating leverage and just showcase what we're capable of even though we want to be investing as much as we possibly can. That's exactly what happened in Q4.

On the second question, hey a little bit of change of the take rate are you worried about that being any lower. So just a couple things number one as it relates to take rate that is not something that we optimize our business to.

We're trying to grow as fast as we possibly can and we do care about revenue of course but we want that number to be as big as we possibly can.

So I'd rather have a bigger number of revenue and that number be 18.6% instead of 19% whatever it doesn't matter to me as long as we're growing revenue as much as we can and we are taking that operating leverage and continued to be one of the highest EBITDA margin and the software as a service industry.

All of that that I do think that you're right that there is margin compression happening at the agency and there is an expected lower take rate inside of television, which is why we do see some small amount of margin compression or take rate compression in our models for 2018.

But we don't see that being anything graphic and again because we're focused building the biggest revenue line that we possibly can into dental as far as we're concerned because we're going to grow that number as aggressively as we can.

We've said from inception we think and say that number is between 15% and 20% and there's no change to our business model as long as we stay in that range we keep doing what we're doing.

And the last thing I'll just add this and go to the next question is if you look at the number of features and functions that we are shipping and how much product we ship especially in 2017. We talk all the time inside of our business about the concept of consumer surplus which is that we give more value to our customers than we extract in cost.

The consumer surplus is higher than it ever been and that's why we feel so comfortable in our prime retention and feel good about our business going forward. So it can be easy to look at it at take rate and get really distracted or get your eye off the ball in a little tiny moves in that area.

Instead of recognizing that as we add more products to our product suite and charge essentially the same amount for it and we get more spend per customer that we're creating more client retention and creating more consumer surplus which we think is the very best thing that we can do in our business Thanks again for the question. Operator next one..

Operator

Our next question comes from Brian Fitzgerald, Jefferies. Please proceed with your question..

Brian Fitzgerald

Thank you.

Jeff, during your prepared remarks you highlighted the potential for walled gardens to continue coming down and we've seen Twitter starting to work with third party DSPs as well as telcos talking about building up their own ad tech stack? With that as a backdrop how would you see 2018 playing out in terms of your access inventories? Do you think you will start to have greater and greater access to inventory that was previously soiled? And then one additional one we had was as you ramp data spend how does that impact the overall business model in terms of cost to serve inventory, cost to service customers? Thanks..

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

You bet. So it relate to the first question which is essentially will our inventory access to be bigger or smaller in 2018 than it was in 2017. A especially as we expand into China, it's really exciting to see how open. The equivalence of Google and Facebook and Amazon are in those markets and by you Alibaba intents that.

And we're super excited about those discussions and we think we're in a unique position where we can be a company that partners with both by you and with both 5U and with Google and can partner $0.10 and with Facebook. We don't think there are very many in the world that can give that.

And especially as you see TV company is getting more aggressive in fact most TV company's and this is two Comcast and Disney and AT&T the core of those business are sale side. So there making their inventory available and so there will absolutely be more inventory available to us then there was in 2017.

Now one thing I just want to explicit about it is economically irrational to maintain walled garderns around any lease of inventory forever.

So I do believe that that eventually even the walled gardens of Google and Facebook come down just because it is a better way to monetize YouTube to get as much demand as you possibly can, then it is to monetize it yourself or you provide all the supply and all of the demand.

I do think 2018, I said this in our Investor Day and I've said it many times since. I think 2018 you will see some of the walls come down around, especially social media companies that are smaller than Facebook. So I do think that that is going to happen and there is no question that will have access to more inventory in 2018 than we did in 2017.

As it relate to your second question on data spend, the team that is so great about making data driven decisions. It's like the ultimate form of operating leverage, where - when we make a more data driven decision, it almost always outweighs the cost of the day.

So one of the things that we are pushing really hard for in 2018 is to get our customers to use more of their own data as well as more of other people's data and the great news is when they do that they typically add more value in the choices that they may and the product that they sell in the efficacy of the media that they buy, then it cost them to buy the data or use the data or deputize the data.

So more data driven decisions is the lowest hanging fruit that any of them can pick as it relates to choice that they make; in some cases that represents a higher margin for us. But I want to be clear on this as well and I do this with our own team as it relates to our strategy.

While data can't contribute to our bottom line that incidental and not the primary goal of adding data to the decision that people make on our platform. We look at it as we want the flywheel of them buying media to accelerate and we want them to buy more through our platform.

So I'm fine to not make any incremental money on that, so long as we're getting more and more spend.

So either we're going to make more money because they give us more and they spend more and we benefit in growing the pie or we can charge for it because we do - we are adding more value when we do that, but I'm much more focused on growing the pie and grabbing land. Next question..

Operator

Our next question comes from Kerry Rice, Needham & Company. Please proceed with your question..

Kerry Rice

Thanks a lot, great quarter again. Quick question on just how guidance is allocated throughout the year, it looks like based on your guidance Q1 one little bit heavier contributor than it has been in the past.

Is there anything to take from that or you more competent in Q1? Is it more existing customers or is it just the way happened to play out? And then Jeff, it would be great to get your view you're taking market share, where do you think you're getting that market share from if you have any insights on that that would be great? Thank you..

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

You bet. Thanks. So you are right now that we're allocating just a little bit more into Q1.

In general, I would just say that we see a little bit of a shift happening and the seasonality of advertising and I think in part that is because a programmatic has stopped being just red-headed stepchild or that the tiny little portion of the plan and more and more see it as the future and absolutely the place where they need to deploy more dollars.

And because of the real time nature of price discoverable programmatic advertising, it does make it. So if you don't have to plan nearly as far in advance.

So if you're promoting a movie, you don't have to do it three months in advance, and if you want to heavy up on the week before the movie releases, you can and the same thing is true in Christmas season and everything else.

Secondly, as you may know, we over index in a number of the sectors of the economy that tend not to expand as much in the second half of the year - as they do in the first half of the year like CPG or automotive, some of those segments of the economy, we tend over index in those and so as a result they tend to spend more in Q1 and Q2, so that too has flattened the curve just a little bit.

Last thing that I'll just highlight is that Japan, Australia, Germany with Japan being the best example, they tend to follow different calendar in terms of the way that things get allocated, and their Q1 looks like the rest of the world's Q4 or much of the rest of the world's Q4, so it's a little bit different.

So as more and more of our revenues come from international that to will help it to flatten a bit. As it relates to your second question like where are we getting our market share? I think we're taking from everywhere in a sense that I think that all other forms of digital are less effective than the programmatic line item.

And so I do think that we have been taking dollars from digital especially from the inefficient forms of digital which are mostly ad networks and even some direct buys more and more of those are coming through platforms like ours, so that we can make better decisions instead of just delegating decision to the supply side.

But also more and more budgets are moving into digital, so I mean one of the most beautiful parts of our story as we tell that story of an industry marching to $1 trillion is that we have tailwinds behind digital, tailwinds behind programmatic, and then of course, inside of different divisions of that whether that's geographical or from a channel perspective, we have irons and all of those pipes.

So we feel like we have the best portfolio that we possibly could at digital advertising. Our next question..

Operator

Our next question comes from Shyam Patil, SIG. Please proceed with your question..

Shyam Patil

Thank you, guys. Congrats on the quarter and the guidance. I had a couple questions.

The first one on programmatic TV, Jeff can you talk about kind of how you see the ramp toward materiality for The Trade Desk? Is it 2018, is it 2019, is it 2020? How do you feel about where you are from an inventory partnership perspective? And then second question is on walled garden, a couple of things that we hear in the marketplace, is that from the walled garden, is that - they only want to use programmatic for quarters when sell through is weak or they have to be careful to partition it correctly or could lead to prices deflation.

How do you respond to those comments and concerns and how do you envision the walled garden opportunity for The Trade Desk?.

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Awesome. So as it relates to programmatic TV, I mean when we talk about the expediential growth happening year-after-year like, once you experience the numbers like we're putting up and we're talking about, we use numbers like 1000% growth and we talked about how it looked like that last year. We've been in TV for a couple of years now.

When you're putting up percentages like that for multiple years, it's impossible for it not to become material really fast. So I really expect those green shoots that we're seeing now in early 2018 to be much taller by the end of 2018. So I think 2018 is the year that it becomes material.

But we're growing the rest of our business which is already scaled so much that it is going to take years for it to be the kingpin that eventually will before it becomes the largest piece in the pie and what we just talked about mobile being 40% of our business before it surpasses mobile as the largest chunk of the business.

I think there is a lot of growing up that needs to do. And it is in large part because of what you asked in sort of part B and question one which is about inventory. So definitely more inventory needs to come online. The great news is this is not being driven by us.

We don't have to go knock on doors and say you should really put more inventory in programmatic. What is happening is, the media companies will control this. They all want to monetize it themselves.

It's really hard to deal with the sales force by yourself, and it's really hard to create the ad variety and the CPM that you can get in programmatic without like the high cost of sales that is historically come from pounding the pavement. When you couple that with consumers saying I want on-demand right now, that's the way I want to consume content.

Basically consumers asking for programmatic advertising. I want fewer ads. I want them more relevant. I want the interruption to be less painful than what they currently experience in linear TV even with a DVR.

So that function is forcing more and more inventory to come into programmatic and that's the thing that we're just sitting and waiting for if you will. And we have demand pent up demand waiting for and so the fact that we've already created the demand and we're having so much success and selling it.

It is sort of the first time ever where the demand has come ahead of the supply in programmatic. Because that wasn't true in display that wasn't true in mobile both of those had a surplus of the supply before the demand.

So it is one of the most bullish thing that I can share is that macroeconomic environment that surrounding Connected TV as it relates to the second question around walled gardens.

So I do think the bigger you are the - by bigger I mean a Google and Facebook have a luxury to do exactly what you're describing which is only use programmatic when sell through is weak. But eventually it becomes really important that's you get access to as much demand as possible and even in a business like YouTube.

Well you have a lot of resources to go hire people and sell eventually your own marketplace gets so much inventory and so much variety that you need the demand of an entire marketplace.

So I don't know that the size necessarily matters long-term but in the short-term it gives them the luxury to do exactly what you're saying which is only access programmatic when they want to when they need to. But what I would argue is the need in most every other walled garden beyond Google and Facebook is here now.

And it's economically year irrational for them not to be leveraging the demand that comes through platforms like ours. And so you - I think implicit in your question is when did at open up, when did that change or what the long haul and getting them to move in that direction.

Because I believe it's economically irrational really it's just getting strategic clarity in their own four walls.

In that strategic clarity usually comes as the result of them being honest about the channel complex that they have which is sometimes they have sales people that are not incentivized to less demand comes through programmatic in fact they don't want that because traditional sales channels have not taken demand in that way.

And when organization figure out how to create the right incentives, so that there optimizing for cost of sales or accounting for cost of sales. So that they're sort of bottom line yield to get compared in programmatic the same way that it does and in sort of traditional sales that always becomes advantageous for them to include programmatic demand.

And so I think like I keep promising I think you'll see more of that in 2018..

Operator

Our next question comes from Tim Nollen, Macquarie. Please proceed with your question..

Tim Nollen

Hello. Thanks very much. I have another question on Connected TV if that's okay. I read a piece of research of this week talking about a survey that concluded that TV advertising traded programmatically will grow from practically zero in 2015 to more than 10% in 2020.

We seems like a very big increase to me I'm guessing it may be kind of in line but you're thinking but I wonder if you have any sort of comment on if that is a reasonable assessment for all of - amongst all of linear TV the 10% will be traded programmatically by 2020.

And if that's a reasonable figure what does it take to get there and Jeff you kind of answered this in your last response, but if I'm thinking most of the initial demand comes from the operator side the TV operator side. It sounds like you're saying the demand is growing now from the network side.

And I wonder if you could just comment a bit more now because that's where all the inventory really lies? Thanks..

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, so thank you. I love the question, I love the topic. So the thing that it's hard to predict inside of TV, and I kind of alluded to this in the last question or last response. I just want to be a little bit more explicit in this response.

So the thing that's hard is, if you're running a big TV company, still 90% plus of your revenue come through linear television and I think many of them are acknowledging that that business model is going to change, like linear television is not going to last for 20 more years.

But nobody knows how long they can ride the wave that they've been on for a while. And they make a bunch of money from it and they like the way that it works and they're afraid of all the change that comes that they may not make as much money in the programmatic world and the digital world as they did in a linear television.

But what that does is it creates a ticking time bomb in a linear television, which is fewer people are watching, so they add more commercials to make up for the fact that fewer people are watching and they create a work experience.

I think all of us as consumers can acknowledge that the experience in terms of just that add to content ratio that has become worse over the last few years. Even though the content have gotten better and invariably the cost of the content has gotten much more expensive, which is why I call it a ticking time bomb.

So the thing that's hard for an analyst to do is figure out when that an inflection point starts, when does the bomb go off? When the consumers really say that they've had enough and when does it stop looking like this early adopters of cord cut instead of everybody cord cutting and that is the hardest part to predict.

So I don't know 10% is really aggressive, whether 10% will happen by 2020 is an open question. I do believe that's aggressive.

But it's also not - it's not impossible and largely depend on how well three or four or five companies make their content available and make the transition and when they see this as a landgrab opportunity, it changes everything.

And it will be really interesting to watch companies like AT&T and Comcast and NBC more specifically, ESPN, Disney, like these companies the way that they make that their content available will determine whether or not that that 10% as possible, while at the same time consumers are changing.

The one thing we can be sure of is the move will not be linear, meaning that the shape of the adoption curve will not be linear and that that's why the super hard to model.

Operator, next question?.

Operator

Our next question comes from Aaron Kessler, Raymond James. Please proceed with your question..

Aaron Kessler

Thanks guys. I'll try to ask an open ended question for those who are here a while.

On the international revenues, can you give us maybe what those were for the year and what shall we think about international revenues or growth for 2018? And then second for the active client growth that we've got about 90 or so for the year - how important is that metric given you're probably already have most of the key kind of agencies at this point and from the advertising number, I think it was about $36,000 if you can maybe update us how that number looked last year as well? Thank you..

Paul Ross

Hey, Aaron. Yes, thanks for the call. I think we talked about in our prepared remarks that international revenue reached 13% of our total revenues for the - in the fourth quarter and on a full-year basis just under 13%. So, on a full-year, basis it went up by just about 50% in terms of share we ended last year about 8.5% and that ended at 12.5%.

So they both grew 2X, North American business for the full-year and nearly 3X in the fourth quarter. So international is growing across the board faster than the U.S. consistently in Asia and in Europe.

And I forgot the second part…?.

Aaron Kessler

Second part is that how we should think about international revenues or growth?.

Paul Ross

Yes, I think our plan, our belief is that will still be continue to grow more than 2X, the rate of our U.S. business and so that's what our plan is that's implicit in the model that we've built and we would expect to continue trending in that way. So I don't know if we put a percentage on it in the public domain, but it definitely will take share..

Aaron Kessler

Yes..

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, we don't put percentages on it publicly, but it should pick up in a couple of points of share..

Aaron Kessler

Got it and the second question you'll see how should we think about kind of active client growth, but may be slow a bit, but you're probably have most of the key agencies today, so how important of a metric is that going forward for you guys?.

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

That's you noted like I think we talked about even when we were coming through the IPO that we've signed nearly all of the large global agencies in 2014, 2015 and early 2016. So those will be some of the largest cohorts we ever signed.

And so for us it's really about getting more of the brands inside of the agencies to spend and programmatic and then those brands to do spend in programmatic making a larger share of their overall advertising spend, the spent in programmatic. So we'll continue to add customers.

We will continue to add clients particularly as we go into new geographies. But for us client count is not a key metric or something that we think drives the business. It's more about the cohort growth from the existing cohorts that we've signed..

Aaron Kessler

Yes, sounds good and contracts on a quarter..

Paul Ross

Thanks, Aaron..

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, Aaron.

Next question?.

Operator

Our next question comes from Peter Stabler, Wells Fargo. Please proceed with your question..

Unidentified Analyst

Hi. Good afternoon. This is Rob on the call for Peter. Thanks for taking our question. Two if we could. First on CPG and retail, you would note some caution coming into the quarter, just wondering how that ultimately played out in the quarter and into early so far this year.

How are you looking at those verticals for the year? And then second on China, I think at the Analyst Day, QPS was about 100,000 a day.

Wondering if you might be able to give us an update there in terms of how supply is building and whether we could see a pattern similar to CTV or maybe grow supply for a bit? And then as we saw in Q4 demand really start to be catalyzed. Thanks a lot..

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

You bet. We weren't very specific about the caution that we gave on the CPG and retail. I know we gave a couple examples, but in general what I would say is that especially that relates to CPG where we over indexed.

People spend less or CPG companies tend to spend less in Q4 just because there's a fair amount of competition for advertising dollars and that's where a lot of retail comes in.

And retail, as things become a little bit more real time, retail has the luxury of spending more in the second half of Q4 then they use to, and CPG has the luxury of spending more in Q1 and Q2 when the purchasing decisions tend to be made more. So they tend to heavy up in Q1 and Q2.

So we expect that trend to continue and you'll see a little bit more even spend across the year because of the move towards a real time nature across all sectors of the economy, not just CPG and retail.

If you're looking at us and maybe the reason you got the question is, is that you look at a business like ours as a little bit of a bellwether for the economy just because we represent spend across all sectors of the economy.

I would just say the spend that we're seeing across all parts of the economy and all sectors we mentioned that over 100 of the top 200 advertisers spent over a $1 million with us last year. Everything on a macro level looks very strong for us even in those sectors of the economy.

As it relates to China and QPS, I have mentioned before that QPS was around 100K. I actually haven't looked recently to see what is that and maybe that in and off itself is an indication of the way that I think about growing the inventory in China which is because Connected TV inventory is there so much available in digital advertising in China.

We want to work with the biggest names there and carefully bring that onboard, so it's not the same way that we grew in the United States which is we wanted to get as many ads as much QPS as fast as we possibly could, so we went to the biggest inventory sources to do that. In China we've more focused on quality first.

And so we're much more interested in developing close relationships with companies like Baidu, Alibaba, Tencent, even smaller companies like Miaozhen which we talked about. Those companies we think are really important to our future. And inside of those companies, if you look at companies like YouKu, there is just so much opportunity there.

And honestly I think their monetization strategies are better than their counterparts in the United States. Their ad experience is better. You're not hovering over the skip button, so when you look at the opportunity in China, we're much more focused on quality.

And so I don't care as much about the QPS especially given how many dollars can go in the video, and I'll just underline, we also have a slightly different strategy because when we built our business in the United States, we went to small advertisers first because we didn't want to screw up on the big guys, but now we have most of all the big multinational brand advertising at least some amount through us.

So of course, the biggest opportunity for us is to take the big multinational companies and advertise in China because that also makes it easy for us to partner with all those companies because all we end up doing is essentially writing checks for them to buy their inventory will become a favorite partner because we're bringing them dollars that they didn't already have for incremental.

So with a strategy like that, it's not uncommon for big multinationals to be largely focused on brand. And that means that they want a highly effective video content which is just another reason to focus on quality..

Unidentified Analyst

Thank you..

Jeff Green Co-Founder, Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Operator?.

Operator

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