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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q4
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Executives

Boyd Hoback - President and Chief Executive Officer Jim Zielke - Chief Financial Officer Sue Knutson - Controller Scott LeFever - Vice President, Operations.

Analysts

Billy Sherrill - Stephens Greg McKinley - Dougherty Mark Smith - Feltl and Company Greg McKinley - Dougherty Mark Rosenkranz - Craig-Hallum Capital.

Operator

Good morning, ladies and gentlemen. Welcome to the Good Times Restaurants Incorporated Fiscal 2015 Year End Earnings Conference Call. By now, everyone should have access to the company’s fourth quarter and fiscal year 2015 year end earnings release. If not, it can be found at www.goodtimesburgers.com in the Investors section.

As a reminder, a part of today’s discussion will include forward-looking statements within the meaning of federal securities laws. These statements are commonly identified by words such as anticipate, continue, plan, expect, intend, should, will and other terms with similar meanings.

These forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance and therefore you should not put undue reliance on them.

These statements are also subject to numerous risks and uncertainties that could cause actual results to differ materially from what we expect and therefore investors should not place undue reliance on them and the company undertakes no obligation to update these statements to reflect the events or circumstances that might arise after this call.

The company refers you to their recent SEC filings for a more detailed discussion of the risks that could impact our future operating results and financial conditions. Lastly, during today’s call, the company will discuss non-GAAP measures, which they believe can be useful in evaluating our performance.

The presentation of this additional information should not be considered in isolation or as a substitute for results prepared in accordance with GAAP in reconciliation to comparable GAAP measures available in our earnings release. And now, I would like to turn the call over to Mr. Boyd Hoback, President and CEO of Good Times. Please go ahead, sir..

Boyd Hoback

Thank you and thanks everybody for joining us this afternoon. With me today are Jim Zielke, our Chief Financial Officer, along with Sue Knutson, our Controller; and Scott LeFever, our Vice President of Operations.

I will briefly cover a summary of our fourth quarter and current developments, and then Jim will provide more details on the financial results and our fiscal 2016 outlook. Our total revenues increased approximately $6.3 million to $14.5 million or 77% during the quarter with our comp sales increasing 6.8% at both Good Times and 6.8% at Bad Daddy’s.

Those comp sales trends have continued at approximately 5% for both brands for the first two months of this quarter and we feel good about our pipeline of innovation for fiscal 2016 for both concepts.

Our expectations for fiscal 2016 are for low-single-digit comp sales increases at Bad Daddy’s based on the relatively small base of stores in the comp sales group and approximately 4% comp sales increases at Good Times. We continue to evolve the Good Times brand based on its fresh all-natural handcrafted positioning.

And on a broader level, we believe we are getting significant credit from the consumer around Good Times as sort of a principal brand. This drives to do the right thing. We are continuing to communicate that [indiscernible]way in advertising and hopefully without being preachy or heavy-handed about that positioning in today’s world.

As we look into fiscal 2016 into the context of an increasingly value-oriented competitive environment with 4 for $4, 2 for $2, 2 for $5, and other promotions from our larger competitors, we plan to continue that television marketing campaign focused on the broader all-natural principle positioning for Good Times, with a particular focus on products that are unique to us as well as other new limited time offers that we plan to merchandise at the store level.

Our adjusted EBITDA increased $876,000 for the fourth quarter from $350,000 last year and approximately $2.5 million for the fiscal 2015 year from $836,000 in 2014 and that reflects the acquisition of Bad Daddy’s International in May of 2015. Jim will give more detail on our margins and will go into a lot of detail, but I will highlight a few points.

While beef costs are down for the year, we did have much higher bacon and egg costs that impacted Good Times during the quarter. We subsequently took an approximate 2% price increase in October 2015, and that represents a cumulative price increase of around 4.2% from the prior year October.

We continue to take smaller price increases a couple of times a year, and we certainly plan to do the same in fiscal 2016. We also took around a 2% price increase from the North Carolina Bad Daddy’s restaurants this month in December that more closely aligns their pricing with the Colorado stores, and we will talk about that in a minute.

We are also currently lapping very high cost of sales from the prior year when a number of commodities spiked in costs and we anticipate that our first quarter cost of sales will be down meaningfully compared to those prior year levels.

Part of our price increase at Good Times has gone towards the implementation of the all-natural and IJP bacon, which we did in May of 2015 and that’s a higher quality product that matches up very well to our brand position, but it’s also a much higher cost product and the price increase that we took didn’t fully cover that overall margin impact particularly as bacon has increased in price over the last 6-month period or so.

Labor is the hot topic in our industry and then the primary margin pressure point as hourly wages are increasing. And our average hourly wage at Good Times is approaching almost $10 an hour for all of our hourly employees. Scott LeFever is working really hard on continuing to refine our labor efficiencies reaching the dayparts at Good Times.

We anticipate our price increases in this next fiscal year will really go towards covering labor cost as the commodity environment is expected to be pretty stable.

Last quarter, we had also projected our labor cost to increase slightly at Bad Daddy’s as we prepare for this near-term push in new store openings and as we have increased our staffing levels and management training in North Carolina.

We anticipate it will take probably the next four to six months or so to fully normalize our longer term labor margin structure at Bad Daddy’s as we put a larger base of restaurants in place and we move the North Carolina stores into a similar labor model.

Again, our longer term value creation and the platform for Bad Daddy’s is based in large part on our operational excellence. And as a result, we now have five management teams, all management teams hired that are out of training or in training for our next 5 stores in Colorado.

On the development side, we opened two new Good Times in fiscal 2015, one of which is performing at above average sales and one of which is performing below average. As mentioned last quarter, we have been evaluating the possibility of taking Good Times into a new market in 2016.

As we evaluated the cost of real estate in the competitive environment, we don’t believe that’s our best allocation of people over our relatively limited financial resources.

Again, given the cost of raw land, particularly for a $1.2 million average sales concept, and the competitive environment and the fully capitalized return on Good Times versus the opportunity for accelerating Bad Daddy’s development and its superior unit economics, that’s $2.5 million in average sales.

Good Times continues to perform exceptionally well in Colorado. Again, we have got the benefit of years of brand awareness and media advertising support. So, we don’t think that exporting the brands to a new market right now is commensurate with its risk given our larger growth plan.

We plan to continue to add new stores in Colorado as we can find good real estate and continue to take advantage of the off balance sheet leverage or sale leasebacks that can then generate a very strong operating return on investment. We opened one new Bad Daddy’s in late October 2015.

We are opening another new store today December 8 at the streets of Southglenn Shopping Center. That store includes a pretty unique and closable rooftop bar and patio and we anticipate new store openings in early January, February, and March with additional stores during the balance of fiscal 2016.

We are now ahead of the curve on the construction on these next few stores coming up and we have been somewhat frustrated on the timing of the turnover of [indiscernible] on the new developments this fall. We had also originally planned and anticipated two stores in the new shopping center developments that will be ready for late fiscal 2016.

Those new developments are now projected for early 2017.

As a result of those slight delays in the initial stores being developed particularly, we slightly reduced our fiscal 2016 adjusted EBITDA expectations and we believe that those will impact our results really for the first six months of the fiscal year as opposed to the last six months as those stores get opened.

We are really focused on setting the stage for significantly increasing our cash flow from operations and our adjusted EBITDA as we report for the last six months of fiscal 2016 through both the addition of those new stores and other margin enhancements and really preparing our pipeline then for 2017 growth.

Speaking of which we are working on our Bad Daddy’s site development for fiscal 2017, we have engaged a retail and restaurant analytics company.

With a relatively small base, we want to try and drill into and understand the core drivers of our higher sales volume stores, particularly as we look to enter new markets beyond our current markets in North Carolina and Colorado.

We are also working with additional third-party real estate resources to leverage their expertise as we evaluate multiple new markets and source new sites. Again, our stated goal for Bad Daddy’s is being able to replicate that model at a high rated growth with a targeted 40% unit level cash on cash return in a store’s second year of operation.

And again, that’s based on $2.5 million average unit volume. As discussed last quarter, I would also like to again reiterate, we are making additional platform investments particularly in training and technology that are necessary for us to support Bad Daddy’s growth.

And we continue to believe those tools will help us to reduce our long-term training, operating store opening costs and probably most importantly, will drive operational consistency, operational excellence towards the store and the overall guest experience at Bad Daddy’s as we grow.

We promoted a district manager in North Carolina in the fourth quarter. We have a team of people that are solely dedicated now in the new store training and opening. And we have added capacity in our HR department as well.

Our teams in North Carolina and for both brands in Colorado are executing very well and we are building appropriate bench strength to support that growth. And now, I would like to turn it over to Jim to review more of both concepts’ financial results in the fourth quarter..

Jim Zielke

Thanks Boyd. It was another solid quarter for us on the Good Times brand as Boyd mentioned. Despite lapping a 2-year comp sales stack of over 30% for the fourth quarter, we were able to post 6.8% comps for the quarter, which exceeded our expectations of low to mid single-digit comps.

This makes our 3-year compounded annual sales growth for Q4 of more than 40%, that’s about a 3.5% year-over-year price increase in place, so traffic also improved approximately 3% for the quarter versus last year. For the entire fiscal year, Good Times comp sales were up 6.9% on top of fiscal 2014’s comp sales increase of 14.6%.

Cost of sales at Good Times declined at 34.1% during the quarter from 34.6% last year. These costs continued to decline during the quarter, however bacon spiked up considerably and egg prices continued their upward trend impacting breakfast and frozen custard cost.

Total labor cost at Good Times increased to 31.7% from 31.1% last year, all of which is comprised of an increase in our average wage rate which increased more than 6% versus last year during the quarter. As mentioned in the previous two conference calls, we continue to see a tightening in the labor market.

We are selectively increasing wages to remain competitive on a trade area by trade area basis for both existing and entry level positions. Restaurant level operating profit at Good Times as disclosed in the supplemental information and the earnings release increased to $1.337 million from $1.257 million last year or 6.4%.

Restaurant level operating margin was 17.3% compared to 18.1% last year. With the decrease related to the increased labor cost just discussed as well as the impact of a couple of remodel stores.

We continue our reimaging program of our older drive-through stores in addition to more extensive remodeling of a few stores, including one that was closed completely for approximately ten weeks, five weeks in the fourth quarter and one that underwent a lobby remodel and was open for drive-through only business for six weeks of the fourth quarter.

When a store undergoes a major remodel like these two did, they are removed from the comp base for the calendar months affected. In fiscal 2015, we completed the reimaging of five company-owned, two franchise drive-through only stores and completed one major remodel.

In fiscal 2016, we expect to complete two more major remodels and one minor remodel, leaving only one remaining major remodel and three lower level refinishes for fiscal 2017. We are equally pleased with our top line results at our Bad Daddy’s restaurants, which also had comp sales gains of 6.8% for the quarter.

Seven of the ten Bad Daddy’s restaurants were included in the comp base, including six of the seven North Carolina units and the first Colorado unit. As Boyd mentioned, we continued mid single-digit comp sales increases at both brands in the first two months of our fiscal 2016 first quarter.

Cost of sales at Bad Daddy’s improved to 32.8% of sales for the quarter, compared to 32.9% a year ago. Cost of sales at the three Colorado units was 30.4% for the quarter compared to 33.9% in North Carolina. The higher costs of North Carolina is a result of several factors.

First, higher bar costs in that state, about 4% higher as a percent of sales versus that of Colorado. Second, higher cost of beef used in our burgers in North Carolina. Third, a slightly lower average menu price around 2% lower.

And finally, lower bar sales mix in Colorado, around 14% of our total sales mix in North Carolina versus approximately 19% in Colorado.

We did normalize the pricing in North Carolina with an approximate 2% menu price increase this December and we rolled out a new lower cost premium check blend as of December 1 after extensive taste testing and evaluation. All of which should help lessen the gap in cost of sales between Colorado and North Carolina Bad Daddy’s.

Bad Daddy’s labor costs improved to 36% from 39.6% last year. As mentioned in last quarter’s call, we expected to temporarily increase North Carolina’s labor as we are increasing our staffing levels there and completely cross-training the management teams.

Labor in North Carolina increased 220 basis points versus Q3 due to this investment in staffing and training as well as deleveraged sales as average weekly sales seasonally decline in Q4 versus Q3.

We estimate that approximately 1.2% of labor increase is attributable to this seasonal shift in average weekly sales with September being a slower than average month. Restaurant level profit for Bad Daddy’s was $994,000 for the quarter or 15% of sales compared to $172,000 or 14.3% last year.

Total revenue operating profit for the quarter, which is again a non-GAAP measure as defined in the earnings release, increased to $2.331 million from $1.429 million last year, reflecting the acquisition of seven North Carolina Bad Daddy’s, the two Colorado Good Times restaurants and one additional Bad Daddy’s restaurant in Colorado.

General and administrative expenses increased to $1.226 million during the quarter from $910,000 last year, a decrease from 11% of revenue to 8.4%.

The G&A increase consisted of higher salaries, cash and stock-based compensation expenses, investor relations expenses and legal and accounting expenses as we prepare the company for an accelerated growth.

We anticipate that G&A expenses will begin to decline as a percent of revenue in the latter part of fiscal 2016 and beyond as we expand our base of restaurants even as we do increase the G&A expense in several key areas.

Our net loss for the quarter was $52,000 which included $206,000 of preopening costs, $87,000 in one-time acquisition and transition costs related to the BDI acquisition and $161,000 in non-cash stock-based compensation expense.

As a result, our adjusted EBITDA is disclosed in the supplemental information to the release, more than doubled to $876,000 compared to $350,000 last year.

In addition to our projected 4% comp sales increase at Good Times and low single-digit comp sales increase at Bad Daddy’s, we expect to open one additional Good Times restaurant in fiscal 2016 and eight additional Bad Daddy’s restaurants, generating total revenues of $67 million to $69 million and total adjusted EBITDA of $4.2 million to $4.5 million for the fiscal year.

This does include approximately $2.6 million to $2.7 million of preopening expense and G&A of approximately $6.1 million for the year. Included in this G&A number is about $800,000 of non-cash equity-based compensation expense. We finished the fiscal 2015 year with $13.8 million in cash.

So consequently, with our expected cash flow from operations and the addition of a relatively conservative level of senior debt, we anticipate we can support our growth in new Good Times, the continued remodeling of Good Times, the additional information technology investments and our planned new Bad Daddy’s development well into fiscal 2017 absent any other acceleration of growth.

Now, I would like to turn the call back over to Boyd..

Boyd Hoback

Thanks Jim. With the expected opening of six new Bad Daddy’s over the first eight months of fiscal 2016 is obviously a big push for us particularly with our small base here.

We are excited about laying the platform or we will hopefully be continued robust growth into fiscal 2017 and we continue to see opportunities for margin enhancements throughout this year, particularly in the North Carolina restaurants. As we move into our second quarter, we will begin to report the results of our new store openings.

And we continue to expect some combination of some stores at high honeymoon sales and some stores that will probably have a little bit more of a natural maturation cycle through them, consistent with what we have seen so far as the awareness of the concept and awareness in the individual site builds in each one of the markets that we are entering.

Thanks for your time today. We appreciate it. With that, operator, Andrew, we will open the call for questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] Our first question comes from the line of William Slabaugh from Stephens. Your line is open..

Billy Sherrill

Hey, guys. This is actually Billy on this afternoon and thanks for taking my questions and congrats again on the strong quarter.

I was wondering if you could expand upon the current trends you are seeing at Bad Daddy’s and maybe frame that up in the context of say sort of weakening trends we have seen across casual dining recently? And maybe speak to why you haven’t – why you believe you weren’t experiencing that? Is that attributed to your brand you think or maybe a more product-view narrow geographical exposure?.

Boyd Hoback

Billy, I think it’s maybe the latter. Obviously, we are operating in Denver and Charlotte, which happens to be both very, very strong economies compared to maybe some other markets across the country.

I will tell you though we had an unseasonable rain in October in Charlotte connected with the hurricane down there, and so – but we bounced back in November, and so we are still in that 5% range on both Good Times and Bad Daddy’s. So, we haven’t really seen a softening yet and maybe that’s some of the newness of the brand.

Again, we have got a very small comp base. We only had 7 stores in that comp sales base, so that maybe a part of it as well..

Billy Sherrill

Great, thanks. That’s helpful. And just real quick sticking with the Bad Daddy’s brand, can you review for us the store economics of the Bad Daddy’s stores that include the rooftop patio? I know you only have a couple right now. I think we all saw the release yesterday regarding the Southglenn location.

And I was wondering if you could just remind us of what you are seeing as far as a lift to AUVs, and the additional build-out cost for those units?.

Boyd Hoback

Yes, it’s probably too early to tell on the AUV, because we only really have one opened, but it does 25% more volume than the average. And the investment is really dependent on the tenant improvement allowance that we get from the landlord. We got a big tenant improvement allowance on Northglenn. We have got a big one on Southglenn.

So, we anticipate our investment being probably less than a couple of hundred thousand dollars to do the rooftop, and we have one more that we are finalizing, which is up in Fort Collins that didn’t have quite as much tenant improvement allowance though we may not be doing quite the level of development on that one as either.

But long story short, probably somewhere between $150,000 and $300,000 more on the investment side and we certainly hope that we can continue to bang out 20%, 25% higher volume out of those stores. It does require a little bit more labor, because we have got a separate bar in the rooftops. We have separate bartenders, separate servers up there.

But particularly, during the spring to the fall months, we really see it’s a nice amenity. I think developers really like it for their developments. And from our standpoint, we think it’s a good, nice addition to the concept..

Billy Sherrill

Great. That’s very helpful. Thanks guys and congrats again..

Boyd Hoback

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Greg McKinley from Dougherty. Your line is open..

Greg McKinley

Yes, thank you. Good afternoon. I was wondering if you could expand a little bit more on – you talked about the timing of Bad Daddy openings and the impact that’s having on your fiscal year EBITDA view.

Just wanted to make sure I understood that because my guess is the thought that there’s fewer store operating weeks earlier in the year or I just want to make sure I clarify that?.

Boyd Hoback

No, that’s exactly right, Greg. And it’s not – I mean, we have lost a few weeks on each one. So again, we had originally anticipated having three opened by the end of this quarter that we are in now.

One of those will probably lop over into the first week of January, but the good news is then what we have got slated for February, for March, for – those are kind of ahead of schedule and really, it’s more operating timing than it is waiting on any construction.

So, we are really confident now between what we opened today, first week of January, mid-February, and mid-March. We should be on track with each one of those and then the balance of the stores will be spread out over the balance of the fiscal year. So, the impact I think is largely a result of the timing of those stores.

And again, not knowing how each one is going to – each store is going to open, again some may open really big with high honeymoons, others may take a little bit of time to mature. So, we have kind of adjusted our expectations. I don’t know what to expect.

We have two of the stores in the pipeline that do have rooftops, including the one we opened today. And so, we will certainly plan to get it out here in our second quarter on how the new stores are doing..

Greg McKinley

Okay, great. Thank you. And then I think you had indicated you believe you have 6 Bad Daddy’s opened in the first 8 months of ‘16.

Can you just walk us through, from a timing standpoint, what needs to happen, when in terms of lease signing and shovels on the ground to get a new store opened so that we can understand at what point in this fiscal year do you have to have those other two locations firmed up?.

Boyd Hoback

Sure. It takes about – it varies quite a bit quite honestly depending on the municipality of the development, and again we have been waiting on some of the turnovers. But once we sign a lease on a normal cycle, it takes us about 5 to 6 months to get through design, permitting, and construction.

It can take a little bit longer if it’s a larger development that we have to work through. But typically, I think on average 5 to 6, it may go as long as 8 months from the time that we sign the deal..

Greg McKinley

Okay. Okay, thank you. And then you talked about initially making some labor investments in the Carolinas to make sure that you have really the ideal store operating processes in place and the right people managing them.

Can you just be a little more specific for us where are you making those investments, and what do you think that – where are the anticipated paybacks on those?.

Boyd Hoback

Yes. So, it’s a combination of both hourly staffing as well as getting some new management trained up. They were pretty thin when we acquired the stores without any bench strength. And so we have been attacking both of those.

As Jim mentioned, we think there is about 1% that we have added in labor here in the last quarter, notwithstanding the impact of just the seasonality on sales. We are looking at kind of transitioning here over the next 4 to 6 month period of time to kind of normalize that down there.

I think the larger issue Greg is the opportunities we see on the cost of sales line since they are running 300 basis points higher than where we are on Colorado. So, we took the price increase, we put the new menu design in place. We have got some purchasing economies, including beef that will begin to take effect this month.

And then on the labor side, again, that should begin to normalize from a staffing standpoint and a wage standpoint here over the next 4 to 6 month period if that makes sense..

Greg McKinley

Yes. And just to clarify that real quick, you are going to take a little more menu price, you anticipate alcohol mix perhaps benefiting.

You got a new beef blend, but was there a fourth item you identified?.

Boyd Hoback

On the cost of sales side, there are some other purchasing things that we are working on that we expect to get some benefit from as we move forward.

I think there is both from an operating standpoint in terms of our waste at the unit level as well as some of the purchasing that we have been putting in place and we will be putting in place, we don’t have quite the same economies of scale that we do when we combine Good Times here in Colorado, but we are kind of working through with our supplier there item by item and finding some opportunity..

Greg McKinley

Very good. Thank you. Good luck..

Boyd Hoback

Thanks, Greg..

Jim Zielke

Thanks, Greg..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Mark Smith from Feltl and Company. Your line is open..

Mark Smith

Hi, guys..

Boyd Hoback

Hi, Mark..

Mark Smith

First, can you talk a little bit about the Good Times opening for this year? It sounds like it will be this coming year it will be in Colorado, but really why pullback a little bit from growing in some adjacent states? Is it a matter of capital, people, resources? What’s kind of your thought process there? And when do you think you could get more aggressive on growth?.

Boyd Hoback

It’s a good question, Mark. Again, we have given out a lot of thought. I think yes, it’s capital and people resources with the pace that we have got on our Bad Daddy’s development.

I think probably more importantly as we take a look at a freestanding QSR burger concept with an average volume of $1.2 million, which again is relatively healthy, but in the context of looking at real estate prices in the adjacent markets and the risk reward in exporting an unknown brand into a brand new market, that whereas in Colorado, we have critical mass for media.

We have got brand awareness plopping a store or two down on the corner in a new market, we think is a fairly risky proposition. And with our hands full right now with where we are on our growth, we may choose to do that at some point.

But I think we would require a little bit larger capital base and I mean Scott has got a good team on the Good Times side and we can handle that. I think it’s more kind of a risk reward proposition right now as we look strategically and don’t want to get too far ahead of ourselves on capital commitments.

And at the end of the day, I think you have to look at regardless of how you may choose to leverage a location, it’s kind of the same reason in this market that you don’t see other concepts with average unit volume as whether that be Burger King, Wendy’s, Taco Bell, the cost of real estate has just gotten nuts.

We look to in a couple of new markets and we are looking at $700,000 to $1 million plus to get just a piece of land and then the investment we have to put on top of that, on a fully capitalized basis, the sales to an investment and ultimately the return on investment, we can lever that with a sale-leaseback and get a good operating return.

But again at the end of the day, we tend to look at things in a more fully capitalized basis. And I think that risk and we just don’t think it’s the appropriate time..

Mark Smith

Okay.

Could you get more aggressive on the franchising front or do you think that you really need to lead the way in some other states before bringing franchisees to grow the system?.

Boyd Hoback

Yes. I think for sophisticated franchisees, I think the first question they ask is can the brand travel, which is really on us I think. And that’s why we have looked at thus can we go ahead and test the waters and put a couple of stores out of market.

And as we looked at it, for us with our hands so full on the Bad Daddy’s side and the capital commitments that we have got, we are reluctant to make them move right now. Could somebody come in and run with it from a franchise standpoint.

Yes, but again I think they look at the same thing, as what’s really the unit economic model and $1.2 million on today’s real estate, it does become a little bit stretched..

Mark Smith

Okay.

And then can you give us any insight into the opening of the Bad Daddy’s in October initial results and thoughts, is there enough – are you getting some brand equity where people know it in that Colorado market or just any insight you can give us on that restaurant would be great?.

Boyd Hoback

Yes. We don’t have a lot to say yet. Again, as we get into the second quarter and as we get these new stores open, we will certainly we would be putting our store performance out there. It’s hard to say, I think there is some brand awareness. Again as we look at each one of these stores, some I think are going to require a little bit of time.

It’s annualizing not at our average yet, but it’s growing each week and we certainly expect it to get there. So not trying to be evasive, but we only have a few weeks of operating history so far. And again, I think we opened the store today. So I think as we get a little bit more experienced, we will start putting the new store performance out there..

Mark Smith

Okay. And then last one for me.

Any update or updated thoughts on potential joint venture restaurants?.

Boyd Hoback

No. Only that we have got some leases signed down in North Carolina and those are the two I had mentioned that kind of got pushed early in 2017. We are interested and our partners I think are interested in continuing to joint venture with us down there.

That really ultimately becomes I think both an operating decision as well as just the cost of financing on the joint venture side.

It’s our plan and we had talked about last quarter that we would continue to do some more joint venture stores down in particularly in the Raleigh and surrounding markets down there as those guys want to continue to build with it..

Mark Smith

Okay, excellent. Thank you..

Boyd Hoback

Alright Mark. Thanks..

Operator

Thank you. Our next question comes from the line of Greg McKinley from Dougherty. Your line is open..

Greg McKinley

Yes. Thanks. Just a quick follow-up guys, as we look into 2016, I think right now you are running about a 4% menu price increase at Good Times, I think I am not sure what you said at Bad Daddy’s, I know you just took 2% in North Carolina.

But should we think of the menu price staying at roughly those levels as you progress through the year?.

Boyd Hoback

Yes. Greg. Sorry Greg, on Good Times yes, we will take a couple price increases throughout the year, which is kind of consistent with the timing of a couple of price increases we took last year. So I would anticipate we would on the Good Times’ side, remain in that 4% to low 4% plus year-over-year price increase.

On the Bad Daddy’s side just to clarify we took 2% this December, on just the Carolina stores and no price increases or just a few little tweaks on the Colorado side.

And we don’t have any real structured anticipated additional price increases on either Colorado or North Carolina, but we will opportunistically look at that especially if we roll new products. But right now, we don’t have any planned price increases on the Bad Daddy’s side than what we have already taken..

Greg McKinley

Okay. Thank you.

And then in terms of CapEx, obviously you are investing to open new stores, but from a systems standpoint, do you have in place what you feel like you need to in order to have great access to information to manage your operating decisions in the Carolinas and at the Bad Daddy’s in Colorado, are there any changes needed there?.

Boyd Hoback

The changes we need won’t be – won’t include a major investment. We already have a really good back office program that we use for both Good Times and Bad Daddy’s. The key is to really get a pilot, dedicated pilot to run that thing, so to really get the most information out of it. So that of itself won’t require any additional investment.

We are looking at improving at our accounting software here in the next year. We are using an old sage platform, but what we have seen so far in terms of upgrading that, again won’t require a real significant infrastructure investment..

Greg McKinley

Yes. Okay, very good. Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] Our next question comes from the line of Mark Rosenkranz from Craig-Hallum Capital. Your line is open..

Mark Rosenkranz

Hi everyone. Thanks for taking my question. Hello, can you hear me okay..

Operator

Please standby for one moment please. Ladies and gentlemen, please standby your conference call will be resuming momentarily. Once again ladies and gentlemen, thank you for your patience. Please standby. [Technical Difficulty] Speakers you may now resume your conference..

Jim Zielke

Thank you. We didn’t hear that last question, so sorry about that.

Could you repeat that?.

Mark Rosenkranz

Can you hear me okay?.

Jim Zielke

Yes. That’s great. Sorry about that..

Mark Rosenkranz

Well, great. No problem at all. Thanks for taking my questions.

A lot of my questions have been asked, I was wondering if you could talk a little bit about the rising labor costs you have seen at Good Times with your comps for sales has gone up about 4% in 2016, for your guidance, what kind of ranges are you going to see in the labor costs, are we going to see an increase in staffing hours as well is kind of this a general per hour cost, could you just give us more color on that please?.

Boyd Hoback

Yes. It’s really all rate right now. We are not seeing I mean – again, we have a very laid out labor model that we use. As we see price increases, we actually obviously get benefit with respect to labor. However, I think we mentioned you are running about 6% higher in Q4 versus last year.

And for October, just to give you – for October versus last year October, we are about 7.3% higher in the average wage rate. So, that’s kind of been the run-rate here in the last few months, the 6% to 7% higher average wages versus last year.

And we probably anticipate that being around that level for the balance of the year, so that a 4% price increase again won’t make up for a 6% to 7% wage increase on the percent margin side, but hopefully will kind of on the $0.01 profit site we will make up for that as well as hopefully your flattish to favorable commodities will help us on cost of sales side..

Mark Rosenkranz

Okay, good..

Scott LeFever

This is Scott LeFever. Yes, we saw an increase in the hourly run-rate and then we also had a little bit of an increase in our salary personnel as far as the number of people in our stores.

So that one did a little bit of additional staffing or higher level staffing than what we had last year, but most of it is in hourly run-rate and a little bit pass-through in the cost of those salary individuals, because the rate moves right through the salary scale just like it does the hourly scale..

Mark Rosenkranz

Okay. Well, thanks for answering my questions, guys..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And no other questioners in the queue at this time, so, I would like to turn the call back over to management for closing remarks..

Boyd Hoback

Great. Thanks, Andrew. Thanks again everybody for joining us and we look forward to reporting our results here as we get the new stores opened as we move into fiscal 2016. Thanks very much for your time..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you again for your participation in today’s conference. This now concludes the program and you may all disconnect your telephone lines at this time. Everyone have a great day..

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