W. Marvin Rush
Well, good question, sir. Dramatically different in the back half of the year from the first half of the year. Every OEM is taking production down. Every OEM has shutdown days. I'm not going to get into specifics, but you can broadly say across all brands, all manufacturer, it is going -- you're going to see a lot less trucks built, okay? You say, so what causes all that? Well, as I talked about, it's the uncertainty. I mean, I'll get to the emissions stuff and if anybody wants to know my opinions on all that and where we stand from a 232 and a tariff perspective there. But let's just look at April, May and June. April, May and June were the worst 3 months of order intake since 2009, okay? The U.S., Canada and Mexico took in less than 30,000 Class 8 trucks, okay? That eventually comes to fruition inside of the build that we see. There's just still so much uncertainty to know what -- we had -- we built a lot of trucks. So, actually, Q2 retail deliveries were flat to slightly up for the whole country. But I think that everyone pulled everything forward that they could. And right now, production is going to take -- is dramatically hit from quarter sequentially as we've seen since COVID, okay? When you -- and I put COVID as an outlier, really, since you go back way further than that to see, you're going to see from a production, not necessarily all the way through retail. Retail will be down, too, but production will be drastically down across all OEMs currently. Because there's just not any demand out there because uncertainty is there. I mean, I don't -- I guess, what was it, Tuesday? We pulled the GHG3 stuff, but that still has not given any clarity as to what we're going to get from an emissions perspective. Is it going to stay 200? Is it going to be 0.035? Is it going to go to somewhere in the middle? These 4 engine manufacturers and OEMs don't even have direction yet from the government. So by what we're dealing with is creates uncertainty on through the chain to the end user on top of the fact that we're still in a freight recession, et cetera. So -- but as I've said in the release, for sure, I'm expecting to be down in third quarter. Don't even ask me what the fourth quarter is going to look like, because it's hand to mouth and with less trucks for sure going to be built with people canceling ships, folks laying off employees, folks taking shutdown days, large numbers of these, taking 2, 3 weeks off. Every manufacturer has their own philosophy, but no one is right now currently as we sit, everybody is handling the same, to be honest with you, different but the same. Because there really is not any demand because there's still no firm knowledge of where we're going to be from an EPA perspective into January of '27. Is it going to stay at 0.035? Is it going to stay at 200 stay at 200 go to 0.035, which is what the rule of the law says it is right now. But that is very much in question right at the moment, somewhere in -- but I have no exact idea. And so customers, by nature, are just waiting to get some direction. Now I think I said somewhere in the release that, well, maybe things will start shaking out and looking a little better. And what I'm talking about is activity. I'm not saying orders. I'm saying by the time we get to Q4, I hope in the latter part of the year that we can finally get some solid trade stuff down from a tariff perspective and the Congress and the administration is looking at the 232 rule, if that gets where we stand on that, if we get where we stand from an emission perspective, then you know how to play your game, right? You know what to do with your business. I mean if it goes and stays at 0.35 (sic) [ 0.035 ], we're probably going to see -- probably we will see a pickup next year, I think, in order demand. If it stays at 200, not sure what that means, right? You won't have the additional cost. You won't have the change in technology to deal with. So fleets won't be looking at -- I mean, I hate to use the word -- I heard it, but I haven't used the word in a while, 'prebuy', but I didn't even say it. There might be a slight pre-buy if we go to [ 0.3 ], stay at 0.35 (sic) [ 0.035 ] next year. I mean -- and I know I'm answering -- I'm trying to give you a broader answer. I can't help myself, maybe your question, but trying to give you some outlook beyond where we are right now in Q3 and Q4, but into next year because I think that's what's important to understand is to try to get an outlook into where it's really going to go. But I can't tell you because I don't have the answers to these questions right now, right? And so all that does create uncertainty. And we are finally seeing the fulfillment -- true fulfillment of the uncertainty we talked about on the last call back in April. But it only continues to intensify because the further down -- you still don't know, right? And it just continues to beg, what do I do? What should I do? Are engines going to go up X? Are they going to -- we need some clarification. I think once we get that, I think we should -- may be able to -- regardless of how much activity, I'm not going to get -- it will depend on what some of these rulings are, also some of these tariff trade policy decisions. But I think we'll be able to get kicked off really. I think we're almost in a lull till we get these answers, to be honest with you. And besides, remember, I would tell you from what I've been reading in the last couple of weeks, most of your public carriers -- I would say the reports are slightly better than they were in Q1. They're not outstanding by any such. But I think more people have gotten to their numbers as depressed as they are than what -- you can see slight green shoots in there, but not a lot. There's still -- it's still a tough road out there because we're still out of balance, right? And I know I keep throwing out all these things, but we've still got too much capacity. I think it's continuing to slight cut out slowly out of the marketplace and to meet the demand level that's out there. But there you go, I'll shut up.