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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q3
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Executives

Josh Easterly - Co-CEO and Chairman, TPG Specialty Lending, Inc. Michael Fishman - Co-CEO, TPG Specialty Lending, Inc. Bo Stanley - Managing Director, TSL Advisers, LLC and Affiliates.

Analysts

Mickey Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann Rick Shane - JP Morgan Chris York - JMP Securities Douglas Mewhirther - SunTrust Terry Ma - Barclays Capital Jonathan Bock - Wells Fargo Securities.

Operator

Good morning and welcome to TPG Specialty Lending, Inc.'s September 30, 2015 quarterly earnings conference call. Before we begin today’s call, I would like to remind our listeners that remarks made during the call may contain forward-looking statements including with regard to TPG Specialty Lending Inc.'s proposal to acquire TICC Capital.

Statements other than statements of historical facts made during this call may constitute forward-looking statements and are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve a number of risks and uncertainties.

Actual results may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of a number of factors, including those described from time to time in TPG Specialty Lending, Inc.’s filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission. The company assumes no obligation to update any such forward-looking statements.

Yesterday, after the market close, the company issued its quarterly earnings press release for the third quarter ended September 30, 2015, and posted a supplemental earnings slide presentation to the Investor Resources section of the website, www.tpgspecialtylending.com.

The earnings presentation should be reviewed in conjunction with the company’s Form 10 Q filed yesterday with the SEC. TPG Specialty Lending, Inc.’s earnings release is also available on the company’s website under the Investor Resources section. As a reminder, this call is being recorded for replay purposes.

I will now turn the call over to Josh Easterly, Co-Chief Executive Officer and Chairman of the Board of TPG Specialty Lending, Inc..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Thank you, Ashley. Good morning everyone and thank you for joining us. We’re going to change it up a little bit today. My partner Mike Fishman will give a brief overview of our quarterly highlights, and then will turn the call over to our partner, Bo Stanley to discuss our originations and portfolio metrics for the third quarter of 2015.

After that, I will discuss our quarterly financial results in more detail and conclude with final remarks before opening the call to Q&A.

With that, Michael?.

Michael Fishman Vice President & Non-Independent Director

Thanks, Josh. I am pleased to report strong financial results for the third quarter. Net investment income per share was $0.48 for the third quarter of 2015, as compared to $0.46 per share for the second quarter of 2015.

Third quarter NII included a one-time charge of $0.06 per share due to the acceleration of deferred financing costs associated with the termination of our SPV asset facility during this quarter, which Josh will discuss in more detail.

NII per share for the third quarter excluding this one-time charge was $0.54, an increase of $0.08 per share versus the second quarter of 2015. Net asset value per share as of September 30 was $15.62 as compared to $15.84 as of June 30.

This decrease was largely driven by unrealized losses related to widening spread and continued market volatility in the energy sector, widening of credit market spreads and risk premiums across asset classes due to concerns about global growth.

LCD first lien spreads increased by approximately 50 basis points and LCD second lien spreads increased by approximately 180 basis points during the third quarter. We believe that fair value is absolutely an accounting principle; it is a critical risk management tool providing early warning signs in to our portfolio and also investment opportunities.

But we believe it is appropriate to reflect the impact of spread widening, and our calculation of fair value, we don’t believe it impacts our ability to be repaid in full.

As announced on last quarter’s call, our board of directors declared a third quarter 2015 dividend of $0.39 per share payable to shareholders of record as of September 30, which was paid on October 30. Our board has also declared a fourth quarter dividend of $0.39 per share, payable to shareholders of record as of December 31, on or about January 29.

Our board has established a dividend policy reflective of the high-quality earnings power of our business over the intermediate term, at a level that we believe can be consistently earned and which maximizes cash dividends to our shareholders.

During the third quarter of 2015, we over-earned our dividend on a net investment income basis by $0.09 per share, or $0.15 per share after adjusting for the one-time charge associated with the termination of our SPV asset facility.

We’ve over-earned our dividend on a net investment income plus realized gains basis every quarter since our inception, reflecting our strategy of consistent and sustainable dividends. We are pleased to report that we had no loans on non-accrual status at quarter end.

Our first reinvestment in IRG was restructured during the third quarter in to a $25 million performing credit investment, a $4 million equity investment and a $10 million performing credit investment collateralized by a separate guarantor.

As noted on last quarters’ earnings call, we believe our control of the bilateral credit agreement allowed for a swift resolution of this non-accrual, and that the collateral value underlying our investment, including real estate, provides substantial downside protection.

Subsequent to quarter end, the bankruptcy court overseeing the Chapter 11 proceedings of Milagro confirmed the company’s reorganization plan. We have received full repayment of the DIP credit facility subsequent to the third quarter end.

As mentioned on last quarter’s call, the yield maintenance premium associated with our Milagro investment was recognized in Q2 2015. We are also pleased to report that the A&P bankruptcy proceedings are progressing as anticipated.

A&P store sales are underway for expected proceeds of approximately $700 million, which far exceeds the $263 million of first lien term loan obligations as of the bankruptcy filing Consequently, we expect to receive a full repayment of our term loan during the fourth quarter including a 3.5% prepayment premium which was contractually earned during the third quarter.

During the quarter we also received full repayment of our investment in Metalico, a scrap metal recycler with operations concentrated in the NorthEast United States.

We underwrote our investment in Metalico assuming some degree of end-market cyclicality and commodity price volatility, but believed our first-lien investment was protected by substantial collateral value and secondary sources of repayment due to the segmentable nature of its asset base.

Following industry softness in early 2014, the company was not in compliance with its leverage covenants.

By October 2014, we completed a comprehensive amendment of Metalico’s senior credit facility and in connection with the amendment, the company reduced our term loan exposure to approximately $20 million from proceeds of the sale of its Lead business.

Upon the sale of the company in September, the remainder of our facility was repaid in full, along with a prepayment premium. Our implied loan-to-value at exit was 40% and our gross unlevered IRR was approximately 35%.

We believe that the resolution of our investments in Metalico, IRG and Milagro, and the expected resolution of our investment in A&P demonstrates our expertise in comprehensive investment structuring and proactive risk management.

The results of these investments highlight our ability to navigate complex credits and to opportunistically structure high-quality risk-adjusted returns. Turning now to the liability side of our balance sheet, subsequent to quarter-end, we favorably amended the terms of our Revolving Credit Facility, conforming to various market-leading terms.

These changes included increasing the aggregate commitments, extending the final maturity date and a 25 bps pricing reduction if certain conditions are met.

With over 355 million in undrawn commitments, we believe our current liquidity positions the company well in to 2016 in light of a solid pipeline for new investment opportunities coupled with a high degree of investment selectivity.

With that, I’d like to turn the call over to Bo Stanley who will walk you through our quarterly originations and portfolio metrics in more detail..

Bo Stanley

Thanks, Mike. Q3 was a strong originations quarter for us with gross originations and commitments of $185 million. These investments were distributed across 6 new portfolio companies and 5 add-ons to existing portfolio companies. Of the $185 million of new commitments made during the quarter, approximately $164 million was funded.

For the past four quarters, we have generated average quarterly originations of approximately $217 million and average quarterly fundings of approximately $145 million. This is a level of growth that we continue to feel is prudent in the current market environment.

During the third quarter, we had $148 million aggregate principal amount in exits and repayments due to five investment realizations, one partial paydown, and the partial sale of one Level 2 investment.

This volume of repayments is higher than our average quarterly repayments over the past four quarters of $95 million due to idiosyncratic events at our portfolio companies that have led to the early repayment of our loans and the recognition of prepayment premiums.

Net of repayments, our average quarterly funded activity is approximately $50 million, based upon the past four quarters. Since inception through September 30th, we've generated a gross unlevered IRR of 16.4% on exited investments totaling approximately $1.1 billion of cash invested.

We continue to believe that our ability to provide flexible, fully-underwritten financing solutions and to hold significant positions is a key competitive advantage benefiting both our borrowers and our shareholders.

Per the terms of the SEC Exemptive Relief that we received in December 2014, we are able to provide larger commitments and certainty of execution for our borrowers due to co-investments from TSSP and TPG affiliated funds. Co-investments made by affiliated funds are on the same economic terms and in the same part of the capital structure as TSLX.

TSLX will continue to receive priority allocation on every US middle market loan origination investment opportunity. Through our direct originations efforts, approximately 90% of our current portfolio was sourced through non-intermediated channels.

This enables us to control the documentation and investment structuring process and to maintain effective voting control in 82% of our debt investments. As evidenced in IRG, Milagro and Metalico, our control position enabled us to swiftly take action to protect and maximize shareholder value.

As of September 30, our portfolio totaled approximately $1.4 billion at fair value, roughly flat to June 30. At quarter end, 87% of investments by fair value were first lien, and 96% of investments by fair value were secured.

At this point in the cycle, we are primarily focused on investing at the top of the capital structure, and, in keeping with our focus since early 2014, our junior debt exposure remains below 13%.

The slight increase in our junior debt exposure during Q3 was primarily due to our second lien investment in AvidXchange – an investment that is effectively first lien risk in nature due to our position behind a small undrawn revolver, implying an dollar-one attachment point on our second lien position.

To a lesser extent, our junior debt exposure increased due to incremental purchases of certain Level 2 investments as technicals in the broadly syndicated markets presented attractive buying opportunities in companies we knew well.

Additionally, since the beginning of 2013, we have reduced our exposure to non-energy, cyclical industries from approximately 31% of the portfolio at fair value to approximately 7% at third quarter end. The portfolio is broadly distributed across 44 portfolio companies and 19 industries.

Our average investment size is approximately $32 million and our largest position accounts for 4.9% of the portfolio at fair value. At this point in the economic cycle, we are focused on industries with low exposure to cyclicality and the ability to perform throughout credit cycles.

Our largest industry exposures by fair value at quarter-end were to Business Services, which accounted for 15.8% of the portfolio at fair value, and Healthcare & Pharmaceuticals, primarily healthcare information technology with no direct reimbursement risk, which accounted for 15.4% of the portfolio at fair value.

After giving effect to the Milagro realization that occurred subsequent to quarter end, our Oil & Gas exposure represents approximately 4% of the portfolio at fair value.

That said, we believe there may be opportunity in providing conforming first lien reserve-based lending for upstream companies that have significant hedged collateral value at current price levels.

The weighted average total yield on our income producing securities at amortized cost at September 30 was 10.5% versus 10.4% at June 30, 2015 and 10.6% at September 30, 2014. The weighted average yield of new investments made during the third quarter was 10.7% at amortized cost.

This yield will vary quarter-to-quarter as originations in any single quarter are idiosyncratic given our direct originations model. Our investment focus is to mitigate both credit and non-credit risks.

We seek to mitigate credit risk by investing in companies that are scaled and relevant to their supply chain; as of September 30, our core portfolio companies had weighted average annual revenues of approximately $140 million and weighted average annual EBITDA of $32 million.

Our target borrower profile has enhanced down side protection features that may include a high degree of contract or recurring revenues and/or hard asset value depending on the borrowers industry and our investment thesis.

Non-credit risks that we seek to mitigate include interest rate, foreign currency, and reinvestment risk, the latter of which is mitigated by the call protection that we structure in our investments.

We mitigate interest rate and foreign currency risk by match funding our assets and liabilities; approximately 95% of our income producing securities are floating rate, typically subject to interest rate floors, and 100% of our liabilities are floating rate.

And when we fund investments in currencies other than US dollars, we borrow on our revolver in local currency, as this provides a natural hedge of our principal value against foreign currency fluctuations.

To address the topic of potential rise in rates, we generally benefit from a rising rate environment given our predominately floating rate portfolio once rates rise above our LIBOR floor. With that, I’d like to turn it over to Josh to discuss our quarterly results in more detail..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Thank you, Bo. Great job And congrats on your inaugural earnings call. We ended the third quarter of 2015 with total portfolio investments of $1.4 billion, outstanding debt of $539 million, and net assets of $844 million.

Our Net Investment Income for the third quarter was $0.48 per share, which includes a one-time charge of $3.2 million, or $0.06 per share, due to the acceleration of deferred financing costs associated with the termination of our SPV asset facility.

Our average debt to equity ratio for the three months ended September 30 was 65x, as compared to 0.63x for the previous quarter. As always, we take into account both our unfunded commitments and our forward pipeline, when managing our financial leverage.

As a further point, we maintain sufficient borrowing capacity within the 200% asset coverage limitation to cover any outstanding unfunded commitments we are required to fund in addition to our forward pipeline.

As it relates to the right side of our balance sheet, subsequent to quarter end, we amended and extended our revolving credit facility, increasing commitments under the facility by $40 million to $821.3 million, extending the revolving period to October 2019 and the maturity to October 2020.

We also amended the stated interest rate on the facility from L+200 to a formula based calculation, resulting in a stated interest rate of either a LIBOR of 175 or a LIBOR 200 depending on certain conditions. As of today, under this formula, the stated interest rate on the facility is LIBOR 200. We greatly appreciate our lenders’ continued support.

We have significant liquidity heading into year end, with approximately $355 million of undrawn commitments prior to regulatory leverage constraints, and we believe we remain match-funded from an interest rate and duration perspective.

As you can see on slide 8 of our Earnings Presentation, during the three months ended September 30, we had a number of factors impacting our net asset value per share. In August our DRIP issuance had a small positive impact on NAV, as shares issued under this program were at a price above our net asset value per share.

During the 25 minute period on the turbulent market trading day of August 24th, we repurchased a small number of shares in accordance with our Company 10b5-1 Plan, resulting in a small positive impact to NAV. As we’ve discussed before, this plan automatically repurchases shares based on threshold prices beginning a penny below NAV.

We added 48 cents per share to net asset value from net investment income. Our dividend was 39 cents per share, reducing net asset value, and we had a $0.01 reduction in NAV from the reversal of unrealized gains and losses from the full or partial realization of six investments.

There were two other factors impacting net asset value in the third quarter; 13 cents per share can be attributed to unrealized losses from widening credit spreads and 17 cents per share can be attributed to other unrealized and realized gains and losses during the quarter.

Of the 17 cents, 11 cents was related to idiosyncratic negative credit adjustments in our portfolio – over 90% of which was driven by our energy-related investments, Mississippi Resources and Key Energy, which are 4% of the portfolio approximately as of today.

At quarter end, the weighted average performance rating of our portfolio was 1.5 on a scale of 1 to 5, with 1 being the highest, as compared to 1.6 for the second quarter of 2015. Moving on to the income statement on the next slide, total Investment Income for the quarter ended September 30th was $46.8 million.

This is up $1.4 million from the previous quarter. Our PIK income remains low at approximately 2% of total investment income year-to-date. On the next slide, slide 10, you will find a more detailed breakout of our revenues. Our “Interest From Investments – Interest Income” was $37 million for the quarter ended September 30.

This is up $2 million from the previous quarter, or approximately 6%. As you can see we continue to generate strong, consistent “Interest from Investments – Interest Income”. Our “Interest From Investments – Other Fees” was $9.1 million for the quarter ended September 30th.

This revenue line will be uneven over time, as it is generally correlated to the movements in credit spreads and risk premiums.

During 2014 and the first half of 2015, we broadly experienced strong levels of “Interest from Investments – Other Fees”, driven in part by the call protection embedded in our portfolio, and in part by the accelerated amortization of upfront fees from full or partial paydowns. This trend continued in the third quarter of 2015.

And with an annualized ROE of 11.3% on net investment income for the nine months ended September 30th, we are right in line with our annualized ROE target of 10.5% to 11.5% on net investment income. For the quarter ended September 30th, net expenses were $20.5 million.

This is up from the previous quarter, primarily due to higher interest expense as we approached our target debt to equity range and the one-time charge related to the paydown of our SPV asset facility, offset by lower incentive fees as a result of unrealized losses booked during the quarter.

Our fees this quarter reflect the voluntary waiver of base management and incentive fees related to our investment in TICC Capital.

Additionally, net expenses of 2 cents per share were attributable to a one-time write-off of debt issuance costs related to a contemplated opportunistic unsecured bond offering that we chose not to pursue due to market conditions, and to expenses related to our involvement in TICC. On slides 15 and 16, we discuss our debt funding profile.

A few things to point out here. We believe there is little to no funding risk in our business. As detailed on the bottom of slide 16, 54% of our earning assets are funded by permanent equity capital.

The remaining 46% of our earning assets have a weighted average maturity of approximately 2.2 years versus our debt financings which have a weighted average maturity of approximately 4.9 years, adjusted for the extension of our revolver’s maturity date. We had another solid quarter.

As of September 30th, we have an estimated $0.71 per share in undistributed distributions on a tax basis. We continue to generate strong, consistent earnings driven by a high quality of income from embedded economics in our portfolio. Shifting now to our views on driving shareholder value.

Our long-term focus is the guiding principle behind our dividend policy, capital raising philosophy and capital allocation decisions, and the alignment of interest we foster with our shareholders. This long-term perspective is the motivation behind our practice of match-funding our assets and liabilities, as well as our stock repurchase programs.

It is our belief that in managing our Company with a long-term perspective, we are acting in the best interest of all of our stakeholders. Our definition of stakeholders extends beyond our own constituents to include those of the sector.

We believe that the broader perception of the sector that we operate in has an inseparable impact on our ability to create value for our shareholders and directly affects our cost of capital. To that end, I’d like to take a few moments to provide color on our involvement in TICC this quarter.

Those familiar with our history and investment philosophy understand that it is not in our nature to be public market equity activists.

We have reluctantly assumed this role with respect to TICC as our industry is going through an inflection point, and we believe that our ecosystem can only thrive in a culture that fosters real value creation for shareholders.

Preceding the Benefit Street Partners announcement, TICC persistently traded at a considerable discount to NAV due to its poor investment track record and board stewardship. We began acquiring shares of TICC on August 5th, the day after TICC announced a sale of its external manager to Benefit Street Partners.

Our initial investment thesis was that TICC’s stock price would migrate towards NAV as other shareholders emerged to correct the unjust value transfer to an underperforming external manager of a largely liquid portfolio of Level 2 assets. By August 24th, we had acquired nearly 3% of TICC’s outstanding common stock.

After conducting further analysis and recognizing the commercial opportunity for our shareholders, we privately approached the Special Committee of TICC’s Board of Directors with an offer to purchase TICC in a stock-for-stock transaction at 87 cents of TICC’s net asset value per share, representing a 20% premium to the undisturbed trading price of TICC’s common stock.

The Special Committee rejected our non-binding offer without engaging in substantive dialogue or diligence, and after careful consideration, we decided to make our offer public on September 16th.

Upon our announcement, TICC’s stock traded up approximately 12%, and since then, all of the major proxy advisory firms, five out of six of equity analysts that cover TICC, as well as several significant shareholders have called on TICC’s board to pursue a more robust sale process.

Our proposal represented both a “commercial” opportunity for TSLX shareholders as well as TICC shareholders. Our proposal would be immediately accretive to TSLX’s net asset value in the range of 6-8%. Additionally, we feel strongly that a combination of our two businesses would be in our mutual interests.

It would offer an immediate and upfront premium to TICC shareholders and provide a clear path to long-term value creation through our track record of superior risk-adjusted returns and stable dividends, and potential increased liquidity of owning shares in a combined company with expected pro forma market cap in excess of $1.3 billion.

Our view is that TICC’s current portfolio of primarily liquid loans and CLO equity is ill-suited for our investment strategy.

Specifically as it relates to CLO equity, the cash flow uncertainty driven by defaults is incompatible with the stable, long-term distribution requirements of a BDC; we also want to avoid its mark-to-market volatility amplifying changes in NAV.

Further, except in certain opportunistic scenarios, BDCs are generally the high cost producers of CLO and liquid loan risk / returns.

In our view, BDC managers that invest significantly in these assets destroy shareholder value and thus, upon completion of a TICC transaction, our plan would be to rotate TICC’s portfolio into less liquid but higher earning credit investments that have superior risk-adjusted return profiles.

In the event we are unable to efficiently redeploy capital, we would return capital to shareholders to protect the NAV accretion created in the transaction. Over the past few months, there have been several groundless accusations implying that incremental fee income is the primary motivation behind our TICC proposal.

Our discipline in capital-raising despite closing above NAV every day since our IPO and our ongoing share repurchase programs speak greatly to our commitment to shareholder alignment. Further to this point, we voluntarily canceled more than $900 million in what would have been fee-paying equity commitments to our pre-IPO shareholders.

As evidenced, the motivation behind our TICC proposal is to establish a culture of accountability and delivering real value to shareholders – both goals that will ultimately promote the advancement of our sector. On October 5, we filed a definitive proxy urging TICC shareholders to vote against the BSP transaction.

On October 23, TICC was ordered by the U.S. District Court for the District of Connecticut to postpone the Special Meeting that was to be held on October 27, and to revise its proxy statement disclosure to remediate several important deficiencies, including disclosure of the payments being made to TICC management in the BSP transaction.

On Monday, we announced an updated offer to purchase TICC in a stock-for-stock transaction at 90 cents of TICC’s net asset value per share as of the date of a definitive agreement.

We believe that our updated proposal gives TICC shareholders increased value for their shares and demonstrates our commitment to realizing the value of this transaction for TSLX and TICC shareholders.

It is now time for TICC’s board of directors to hold themselves accountable and act in their shareholder’s best interest by engaging in substantive discussions with us.

Returning now to TSLX, a central theme underlying the results of this quarter and our successful track recorded since inception is our focus on identifying, mitigating, and managing credit and “process risk in the portfolio.

For the three months ended September 30, we generated an ROE based on net investment income of 12.1% and for the nine months ended September 30, we generated an ROE based on net investment income of 11.3%.

Based on our current asset level yields, and as we continue to operate within our target leverage ratio, our target return on equity is 10.5-11.5% over the intermediate term based on our 12/31/2014 book value. This corresponds to $1.63-1.79 per share on net investment income which compares to our annualized dividend of $1.56 per share.

Finally, a few points in closing related to senior management changes discussed on last quarter’s call. Again we would like to thank Alan Kirshenbaum for his help this quarter in closing the books. We are excited to announce that Ian Simmonds has agreed to join us as Chief Financial Officer, effective November 30.

A Chartered Accountant, Ian brings over 20 years of experience in accounting, finance, and asset management to the position. Before joining TSLX, Ian spent over 10 years at Bank of America Merrill Lynch where he was most recently a Managing Director in the Financial Institutions Group, including as an advisor to TSLX for the past 3 years.

We believe that Ian will immediately be a valuable leader for our business given his deep accounting and financial experience, combined with his demonstrated leadership and capital markets acumen.

We are confident that Ian will build upon the culture of excellence and strong financial policies that have been the foundation of our business since inception, and we look forward to introducing him on next quarter’s call.

On behalf of the TSLX team which includes Bob Ollwerther, our Interim CFO; Mike Fishman and Bo Stanley, thank you for your continued interest in TSLX and for your time today. Ashley, please open the line for questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] our first question comes from Mickey Schleien of Ladenburg. Your line is open..

Mickey Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann

Just one question, we’ve seen spreads tighten considerably in the liquid markets so far in the fourth quarter as investors have digested the news out of China and have just gotten more comfortable with the economic outlook.

And I’m just curious how that’s affecting terms that you are seeing available in the less liquid markets where you operate and your appetite for investing this quarter..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

So I’m not sure considerable would be how I’d frame it. I think first-lien loans from the quarter end September 30 decreased by 10 basis points and second-lien loans actually widened by 27 basis points. So I still we’re kind of in this risk off period for risk assets, although there is less volatility.

Our pipeline has been pretty good in Q4 given any kind of volatility people come to us for certainty. So we feel pretty good about at least the short term opportunity to find high risk adjusted returns for our shareholders..

Mickey Schleien - Ladenburg Thalmann

Just one follow-up question, can you give us a sense of the portfolio’s debt-to-EBITDA and LTV?.

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Yeah, sure. On a weighted average basis, we attach at a less than one-time EBITDA and our last dollar risk is about 4.4 times EBITDA and our LTV is probably 50%.

We typically finance higher quality businesses, as you can tell $140 million of revenue, $32 million of EBITDA, so very high EBITDA margins and free cash flow margins and high quality businesses..

Operator

Our next question comes from Rick Shane of JP Morgan. Your line is open..

Rick Shane - JP Morgan

Just like to talk a little bit about dividend policy, and perhaps how it interacts with the proposed TICC transaction. Josh, as you pointed out you have over $0.70 of spillover dividend.

Last two quarters you’ve substantially over-earned the dividend and you just declared a dividend of $0.39 for the fourth quarter which is flat with where you’ve been and below last couple of quarters of earnings.

I am curious if potentially bringing on a lot of new shareholders is sort of holding you back as you want to digest what the shareholder base is going to look like over the next six months before you alter the dividend policy..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

So that’s a good question, really it’s not affecting how we think about dividend policy given I think even with TICC’s lower yielding portfolio which we had rotated in the higher earnings assets. We still would over earn our dividend based on our models.

I think our dividend policy is just a function of always trying to set a policy that we have a very, very high confidence level of meeting. We’ve been kind of against special dividends as special dividends really don’t benefit long term shareholders of the business.

And so I think you will see us raise our dividend prior to having these special dividends. I know you didn't ask about a special dividend. And then we look at our dividend policy over the intermediate term. Obviously there is a, as is in our Q and our K until we get to our floors there will be a little bit of spread compression on our earnings.

So we obviously think about that. But clearly we keep on over earning our dividend which does is the systems close that obviously increases NAV all thing being equal. So the benefit still remains with shareholders.

Did that answer your question Rick?.

Rick Shane - JP Morgan

Absolutely..

Operator

Our next question comes from Chris York of JMP Securities. Your line is open..

Chris York - JMP Securities

So with shares trading at a premium-to-book value, you don’t face the franchise risk that some other BDCs may grapple with right now.

With that said, given that you had another strong quarter of new deals, I’d be curious to learn if sponsors have communicated their understanding of the situation with you and are considering this in their selection of a lender..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Look we live in a very competitive environment and I’ll let Bo answer this and Mike. We live in a very very competitive environment. I think sponsors, about 60% of our business is sponsored, 40% is non-sponsor. I think sponsors typically chose us because we provide certainty, and we understand the industries they operate in.

Obviously I think as a lot of sponsors obviously plan to be acquisitive and having capital available to our lender, sometimes lender is helpful. I think that goes a little bit in to their calculus and us being in a position to apply that capital is obviously I think probably goes in that calculus, but I’m not making those decisions.

And so Bo what are your thoughts..

Bo Stanley

I would agree with that statement. I think what we’ve seen over the previous quarters is that the recent volatility in the markets did put a lot much higher premium on certainty. So that’s why our relationships are turning to us. And I think having a stable funding base is always on their minds. I would agree with you Josh..

Michael Fishman Vice President & Non-Independent Director

I’d also dovetail on that, the recent choppiness in the syndicate loan market really highlights funders like ourselves that can underwrite larger credit facilities and provide certainty in credit facilities of size..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Chris, did we answer your question..

Chris York - JMP Securities

Yeah, absolutely that makes sense. And then lastly here so this one’s kind of maybe more for you Josh. So it’s my understanding that you were one of a couple BDC industry representatives to visit with Mary Jo White and SEC.

Could you share with us some of those discussions at the meeting and maybe your personal takeaways as it relates to regulation related to the vehicle of BDCs?.

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

So look the gossip channel is alive and well I guess. But the industry that was well represented from diverse members of the industry did have a meeting with Commissioner White. I think that meeting was productive. As you know there was legislation that is in the committee and the House.

I think the SEC still think has some questions and hopefully will be successful in working through those questions for the SEC. But I think the feeling right now is that it has decent support bipartisan support and we hope that will continue and we think it’s a good thing for all participants in the industry specifically issuers and shareholders..

Operator

Our next question comes from Doug Mewhirther of SunTrust. Your line is open..

Douglas Mewhirther - SunTrust

I just had a couple clarifications of your earlier remarks - first the termination of the SPV facility; I just wanted to clarify, is this the one where you set up to do a potential deal where you were later pulled out or did I completely miss that?.

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

You completely missed that. Doug by the way I am happy as long as you don’t call me quirky. I think you called me quirky last time.

We had basically three financing parts this quarter; one was obviously the convert, the second was our revolver, the third was a financing provided by Natixis that we refer to as SPV for financing that use securitization technology.

I think as we talked about it on previous calls that facility was affectively out of its reinvestment facility, out of its reinvestment period, and all proceeds from collateral on repayments were going to pay down that facility.

When we kind of modeled out that facility, although it had a 10 year contractual life as we modeled out that facility the original 10 year contractual life, as we modeled out that facility it felt like that facility was going to have a shorter life and we just decided to move it.

It was a LIBOR 235 financing, and we decided to move it to our cheaper LIBOR 200 in financing, as it was going to kind of prepay by its nature in any event..

Douglas Mewhirther - SunTrust

And the second just to clarify on Bo’s remarks about the portfolio activity. You commented about a few investments moved down the capital structure, but I just wanted to sort of make sure I was understanding them correctly. You said there were a couple more liquid assets that were either second-lien or subordinated you picked up.

I also noticed an equity investment, was that as a result of the IRG restructuring, or is that a completely separate investment?.

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

So a couple of things for you, so AvidXchange was a technically a second-lien investment, although there is a small first-lien unfunded revolver provided by a bank. So effectively first dollar in the capital structure. That size of that facility is about 30 million bucks so that was what impacted it the most.

We also had an equity co-invest in AvidXchange of 3.8 million bucks. So that was added to the equity bucket. As you know on occasion we’ll do equity co-invest on transactions that we really like the fundamentals of Avid was one of those.

Then the restructuring of IRG added about 4 million to the equity bucket, and then we’ve been involved in the company called APX which was actually a company where selling the equity at Goldman which is now Blackstone owned.

And when there’s has been dislocation, we do purchase Level II assets in the market parts of that capital structure including the unsecured notes. So it was a combination of a little bit, a tiny bit or APX, AvidXchange between the second-lien and the equity co-invest and IRG, the restructured equity. But the largest portion of that was AvidXchange..

Douglas Mewhirther - SunTrust

And just the last clarification, you said that the A&P prepayment fee was recognized this quarter or would not be recognized until next quarter or until it was --..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

It’s recognized this quarter, it was contractually earned this quarter. It was contractually earned upon the filing of the company..

Operator

Our next question comes from Terry Ma of Barclays. Your line is open..

Terry Ma - Barclays Capital

I just wanted to get your outlook for the investment environment going forward. There was a large middle market lender and commercial lender yesterday that indicated it was seeing a much weaker outlook for the economy. So I was just curious to see if you shared that view and how you are thinking about it going forward..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

I think that the US economy is in pretty good shape, so just to think about Q3 GDP was 1.5%. But that was effectively due to changes in inventory, and so when you normalize that it was probably close to the 2.5% to 3%, but the consumer and business investment was much higher.

Consumer spending in 70% of GDP at an annualized growth rate of 3.2%, the labor market is in a stable position with kind of real growth and income for the first time and cheaper gas prices. So I would say that the fundamentals of the US economy are in decent shape are in good shape.

So I think we are - there is volatility around the world such that given the asset prices I’m worried about, the commodity sector and China. I don’t know who made that remark, but my guess is if that lender is capital constrained, they might be talking their a book a little bit.

But I don’t know who made that remark yesterday, but the fundamentals of the US economy are in decent shape at the moment..

Terry Ma - Barclays Capital

Are there any sectors that you find attractive right now?.

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Yeah, we continue to find business services, healthcare i.e. that doesn't have direct reimbursement risk, so healthcare IT. We’ve surely stayed away from cyclicals, for example we have no we have no auto exposure in our book.

Autos I think their SARs number is going to be 17 million cars and light duty trucks, which on an annualized basis that feels kind of peakish for us, so we’ve stayed away from auto exposure. But we generally like business services and healthcare that is mostly healthcare IT..

Operator

Our next question comes from Jonathan Bock of Wells Fargo Securities. Your line is open..

Jonathan Bock - Wells Fargo Securities

First question just relates to fees, understand that some of the prepayments, particularly Rogue Wave, and then we also saw a few items out of Metalico.

Just want to make sure what was the dollar amount of fee that entered into income from Metalico, and the close to the dollar amount that entered into income from the Rogue Wave investments this quarter?.

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Jonathan the dollar amount for income between the call premium prepay fees for Metalico was 2.3 million, the accelerated OI was about $1.7 million. So you had total fees about 4 million bucks on Metalico. And then Rogue Wave which as much smaller was about 1 million, that’s 1.7..

Jonathan Bock - Wells Fargo Securities

Now just turning to one of the new investments that you made in the third quarter looking at American Achievement; one question we always like to ask ourselves when we see something that has a bit more of a club - a feel to it is what’s necessarily different, like what did you or Bo or others kind of find or Mike, that was attractive with this deal, particularly when we read that they were having issues perhaps earlier on in terms of how they were trying to finance themselves? So if you could give us just color on what brought you to what appears to be more club-like when really you’ve just done a great job at more kitschy, more opportunistic solid financings, this seemed a bit outside the box, and please explain to me how I’m either missing it and/or what makes it attractive..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

I don’t think it was outside the box.

Look we will do club deals, I think obviously American Achievement had an over levered capital structure, and the transaction we participated in it de-levered through a new equity investment from a sponsor and so the old American Achievement given the capital structure is not necessarily the new American Achievement.

And look it was a business that we spent a lot of time thinking about modeling on a volume and price basis, and got very, very comfortable with the free-cash flow profile of that business, and it’s long standing customer relationships and demonstrated pricing power.

And as everything we underwrite to a severe downside case and so we feel our principal is significantly protected. So, generally what we try to do is find value and spend time where other people will not create value for our shareholders, and I think that’s consistent with our theme.

Mike do you have anything to add?.

Michael Fishman Vice President & Non-Independent Director

No, I think you covered most of it.

I think as Josh said, we spend a lot of time doing our own independent diligence actually on the business sector understanding kind of the long term outlook for the business and modeling that, and the free cash flow metrics of the business, and liked where we are in the capital structure and the free cash flow metrics to our security..

Jonathan Bock - Wells Fargo Securities

Got it. Great. And one small cleanup on energy just as it relates to Mississippi Resources saw their mark down, clearly you’ve absolutely more than outperformed with the repayment of the Metalico investment.

But just the remaining comment on Mississippi Resources and why there’s just a $3 million mark which is one of the bigger ones in the quarter?.

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

I think we’ve been pretty good with energy when you think about our exposure overtime and how we’ve managed our exposure. Quite frankly it’s probably the highest return on an IRR basis, both on a realized and on a total portfolio basis.

Look we own, like we’ve always said with Mississippi most of the commodity exposure given we had hedges on or where we were going to be affected by our preferred equity investments.

Commodity prices went from basically on a spot basis at 6/30 from 60 bucks to 9/30 at 45 bucks, and so we had a 25% decline on a spot basis and the whole curve moved down. So it’s a relatively limited exposure but in that position is relatively limited; fair value probably 3% of our portfolio.

But surely has a little bit of a commodity risk, but most of that was borne by a preferred equity investment which showed up this quarter..

Jonathan Bock - Wells Fargo Securities

Got it, and then lastly this an is an October 6 financing, so I believe it’s definitely a fourth-quarter event. But Nektar, if you look at the press release that they put out, that’s a $250 million senior secured financing at 7.75% or so.

That’s a big deal for a public company, and so the first question is, one, how do you source that transaction? Two, when you think of the size, is it your plan or view to continue to hunt what we’ve outline as elephant-sized, relatively large size transactions in the middle market, and is it your view to take down and maintain that risk across your large debt management platform, both public and private?.

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Appreciate the question. So Nektar has about a $1.6 billion equity market cap, about $1.40 billion be that a whole bunch of cash. We originated and underwrote $250 million first lien security in the capital structure. The interest rate you quoted we had sold a first out piece so we have a higher effective return on our hold there.

So we’re excited about that position, we obviously don’t comment intra quarter regarding position size, but typically position is 5% of our total asset base. That was a transaction that we were able to co-invest across our transaction, across our platform, given our Exemptive Relief.

I think when there’s market volatility, if you look at our history, our history is this, when there is market volatility like there was in 2011 and some parts of 2012, we will do bigger deals and we weren’t public, we did a $215 million deal for Federal Signal.

We did a $130 million second-lien financing for Mannington, and when there isn’t market volatility and when the high yield market leverage will market is going on all cylinders, it’s very efficient capital to compete with and we don’t compete there and we do our bread and butter $30 million EBITDA businesses, and they are having a price value is between $100 million and $400 million.

Given the recent market volatility, there was an opportunity to bigger deals.

We have non-sponsor transactions, we have then across our platform, we have direct calling efforts and people on the flows and direct forcing through sectors kind of approaches where we have sector themes and one of those happens to be in a Pharma where we can underwrite royalty streams that don’t have any operating risk and provide a lot of downside protection to our investment..

Jonathan Bock - Wells Fargo Securities

Well we look forward to seeing the new investment that’s in there and four quarter financials, and again thank you so much for taking my questions..

Operator

I am not showing any further questions in queue. At this time, I’d like to turn the call back over to management for any further remarks..

Josh Easterly Chief Executive Officer & Chairman of the Board

Great. Thank you. Happy Veteran’s Day, I think is next week. So thanks to all the veterans out there, and also I hope people enjoy their Thanksgiving holidays with their families and we’ll talk to people if not sooner on our Q4 earnings call. Thank everyone..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you for participating in today’s conference. This concludes today’s program, you may all disconnect. Everyone have a wonderful day..

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