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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2023 - Q4
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Ellie Gibbs

Ladies and gentlemen, thank you very much for coming today. We would now like to start the financial results meeting for the year ended March 2023. My name is Ellie from Public Relations, and I will be the MC for today's meeting. Before we announce the financial results, Koji Sato, our President, has a few words to mention. Mr. Sato, please..

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

I am Koji Sato. Before announcing our financial results, I would like to explain the current situation regarding the Daihatsu procedure realities issue, which was announced on April 28. Since the announcement, we have had an independent third-party review entity conductor retest of those vehicles concerned.

It has once again been confirmed that the vehicles concerned present no quality or safety issues. Based on the results of the retest and as to consulting with the related authorities, we have resumed shipments of the Toyota brand vehicles to Malaysia, Mexico and Ecuador.

As for Thailand and Middle Eastern countries, we will continue to consult with the related authorities.

The day before yesterday, Chairman, Toyoda visited Thailand to explain to our customers and stakeholders what had happened and to convey to them that the vehicles were safe and that our entire corporate group was committed to working to prevent this type of misconduct from ever happening again.

Daihatsu and Toyota are confirming the fact from various perspectives to prevent a recurrence. Toyota is a company in which all members always stop when a problem occurs. It pursues a root cause of problems by going and seeing the location of process where the problem exists, mix improvements and works to prevent recurrences.

We will continue to investigate the root cause, believing that it is important to change the environment in which such misconduct occurs. We will keep you informed as and when progress is made..

Ellie Gibbs

Thank you. Now we would like to call upon Yoichi Miyazaki, the Executive Vice President and Chief Financial Officer, to explain about the financial results..

Yoichi Miyazaki Operating Officer, EVice President, Chief Competitive Officer, Chief Financial Officer and President of Bus. Planning & Operation

sales revenue of JPY38 trillion, operating income of JPY3 trillion income before income taxes of JPY3,690 billion and net income of JPY2,580 billion. Next, I would like to explain the factors that may impact operating income. First, the effects of foreign exchange rates will decrease the operating income by JPY875 billion.

Second, the cost reduction efforts are expected to increase profit by JPY360 billion, while the impact of decreasing material is expected to be JPY510 billion, resulting in a total decrease JPY150 billion.

Third, the effects of marketing activities will increase the operating income by JPY1,285 billion due to an increase in sales volume and an improvement in product mix, led by improved semiconductor supply and demand, while other expenses are expected to decrease by JPY260 billion.

Compared with the pre-closed fiscal year ended March 31, 2020, we became able to offset the impact of soaring material cost to GPS cost reductions and marketing efforts as a result of our long-standing product centered and region centered approach. We have also established a foundation for steadily increasing growth investments.

We live in an era where there is no right answer and the future is uncertain. So we will always keep our antennas up and carefully manage risks in preparation for changes in the business environment. This brings us to the end of our presentation. Thank you very much..

Ellie Gibbs

Thank you. We'd now like to ask our President, Koji Sato, to take the floor again..

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

Once again, I am Koji Sato. As Miyazaki-san just mentioned, despite the severe business environment, including soaring material prices, we were able to secure an operating profit of JPY2.7 trillion in the previous fiscal year. Our new management team assumed the reins on April 1.

However, the financial results figures for the previous fiscal year were based on the 14 years of former President, Akio Toyoda's efforts, making me once again keenly aware that our change in management took place while Toyota was being managed at top speed.

As such, our new management team will be able to focus on strategic initiatives in growth areas based on this current foundation. When Chairman, Toyoda took office as President, he said growth is about being able to continuously change ourselves in response to ever-changing needs of customers and society.

And I believe that his 14 years as President embodied exactly that. Now that he is Chairman, he is in a position to support our new management team, and we will implement a new form of team management with the Chairman and President working simultaneously and according to an optimal division of rules at any given time.

Our team will take advantage of this environment to promote speedy management. With that in mind, I would like to once again talk about our future management.

I believe that the growth Toyota should aim for going forward is growth that creates a future in which the automobile industry transforms itself into a mobility industry through enhancing its added value as it works in cooperation with many other industries. The foundation for this is carbon neutrality.

Toyota aims to reduce new vehicle CO2 emissions by more than 50% globally by 2035. To achieve this, we will continue to provide regionally optimal solutions at an accelerated pace without wavering from our multi-pathway approach.

When it comes to battery electric vehicles or BEVs, which are especially rapidly progressing, we have set a pace of selling 1.5 million units by 2026 as our base volume, and we plan to launch 10 models ranging from luxury vehicles to compacts and commercial vehicles, mainly in the United States and China.

Regarding the battery supply, we will seek to speedily secure the necessary volume by increasing our in-house production capacity and collaborating with our partners. Our new model scheduled for launch in 2026 will be built on 3 new platforms, the body and chassis, the electronic platform and the software platform.

They will all be renewed as we aim to achieve mobility by the way of renewed vehicle packaging with a rational structure that is unique to BEVs. From now on, with a new dedicated organization, BEV factory will lead the initiatives and the initiatives will be accelerated.

We would like to present concept for vehicles of such at the Japan Mobility Show this autumn. At the same time, as our BEV initiatives, we will also accelerate our efforts to realize the hydrogen society.

We will advance our projects in the commercial domain, especially in Europe and China where hydrogen consumption is particularly high centered on fuel cell electric vehicles.

Furthermore, we will focus on the use of hydrogen energy for personal mobility and on the cycle of producing, transporting and using hydrogen and we will conduct activities for the development of social infrastructure, including through social implementation in Thailand.

To actively promote these initiatives, we will also increase our immediate earning power especially in Asia and emerging markets, which are expected to grow 30% or more by 2030. We will strengthen our earnings base by focusing on hybrid electric vehicles to capture market growth.

To transform automobiles into our mobility industry, we will further increase our current approximately JPY3 trillion in R&D expenditures and capital investment while increasing the ratio of future investment to achieve sustainable growth. Thank you for your kind attention..

A - Ellie Gibbs

Next, we'll have a question-and-answer session. So please do wait for a few seconds while we set up the stage. Thank you. Now, we would like to start the Q&A session. Could we ask the respondents to the questions to please take the stage.

Let me introduce the members on the stage, President, Koji Sato; Executive Vice President, Chief Technology Officer, Hiroki Nakajima; Executive Vice President, Chief Financial Officer, Yoichi Miyazaki; Chief Communication Officer, Jun Nagata; Chief Officer, Accounting Group, Masahiro Yamamoto. Please take your seat on the stage.

Now then we are ready to take questions. If you have any questions, please raise your hand to indicate that you'll be asking a question and wait for the microphone. We'd like to give the opportunity to ask many people as possible, so we would like to restrict your questions to 2 questions each please.

The third person -- the person in third row from the front, please..

Unidentified Analyst

I'm from Yomiuri. My name is Yamauchi. I have a question to President Sato.

The first question, what -- how would you sum up the overall financial results? What were good points? What are the points which you highly evaluate or points that you think over below standard or not -- I'm sorry satisfactory? How do you think about this as President? Second question is about the profit or earnings structure.

When you look at the breakdown of the operating profit, the external environment such as ForEx and the soaring materials prices highly affected your results. And so how about the growth in reduction of costs, et cetera, I think which did have an impact on the results.

So as President, how do you intend to evolve or increase the basic earnings power of the company?.

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

Thank you for that question. The first question had to do with my summing up or impression of the financial results.

So when we look at the short-term financial results, we were able to obtain an operating income of JPY2.7 trillion, which I believe, in terms of our earning power, we were able to indicate earnings power that exceeds our part of last year.

And I'm sure you realize that the impact of ForEx and also the soaring materials prices over actually improved through various efforts to generate operating profit -- a good operating profit in the end. So manufacturing cars and delivering them to customers was a very difficult endeavor this year.

However, I think the financial results indicate that in that process, there were various ingenuities and various devices that we were able to endeavor due to these difficulties and that there are many factors included in the financial results, which indicate our ability to strengthen our financial progress.

Also, the -- for example, the production plan fluctuation was very large, but especially the suppliers responded so flexibly to them and also the members involved in manufacturing internally and also their efforts also very important.

And also in order to meet the customers' needs, providing smiles to customers through engineering various production improvement, et cetera. I think all of these efforts have led to the financial results.

So in the short run, despite the difficulties, I think that there's still, there was still room much more improvement and such improvement efforts have been launched. So I think that was the financial results indicated. But in the long run, the economic environment has long been deflationary for many, many years.

And against that backdrop, we are being involved in manufacturing centered around cars and around our products. And so when you -- if you look at things from a span of 10 to 20 years, and not only domestically, but in the United States, for example, inclusive of incentive payment, we were able to increase the marketing point of our products.

So in the end, we will not make automobiles a commodity.

We must provide a good value-added, which develop a strong business that is appreciated by customers and such efforts have been made over these many years, which culminated in such good results despite the very demanding economic conditions and despite the very difficult supply constraints that we had, we were able to create a corporate structure, which could meet those adversities.

So in the short term and the long term, I believe that the financial results do indicate that we have been able to reinforce the corporate fiber through our years of efforts.

As for the profit structure -- this, I think, over a lot of -- what I said in relation to the first question, because we will manage our operations centered around products, what we must do, first and foremost, is to develop good quality car and deliver them to the customers. And for supply issues, we are seeing improvements in supply constraints.

And as I was mentioned earlier, so we have set some vehicle sales forecast, which must be produced, and also, we will improve the appeal and attractiveness of our products to generate higher profitability. So these are the basics, but it's very important to return to these basics.

And by so doing the ForEx or soaring material prices, which are, of course, variables, we can create a good resistivity against them. Also, on a global scale, we run a global business. We are a company that runs a global business.

So stabilizing the profit structure requires not focusing on a specific geography, but to be able to create a corporate foundation that would enable us to generate profit in all regions and areas. So against various risks, we must flexibly grapple with good management in the regions so as to establish a very stable profit structure.

And I think that would be very important in creating a corporate management that is resistant to external factors and we must also create a strong global product portfolio. And by doing so, we believe that we can strengthen our financial base..

Ellie Gibbs

Now let us take the next question. The person in the third row from the front..

Unidentified Analyst

My name is Hiroaka from Newspeak. This year, if there is no part supply constraints, I believe the production should go up. But in the case of Toyota, they -- you have always been focusing on producing in Japan. Mr. Sato, what is your view on domestic production? If -- is it possible that you will recover the 3 million mark production.

If there are more electrified vehicles, I believe, the parts use will be different. So what is your communication -- how is your communication with the suppliers? Second, how to make profits and how to make sure that your products do become commodities are important. So you have many profitable vehicles, and that is the source of competitiveness.

But at the same time, this and other models, including all models, are you trying to make profits for all models?.

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

So your first question was about domestic production. For TMC, domestic production is the starting point in protecting manufacturing in Japan. So that positioning, we will not waiver. And we will always consider how to protect manufacturing in Japan.

So with electrification, the parts use will change and including transactions with our suppliers, what is my forecast, I believe, was your second question. With electrification, of course, the parts use will be difference. But on the other hand, the supply chain is not just part of the business.

Each party has its own strength and we respect each other as partners. And with that stands, we do business with them in vehicle manufacturing. So each supplier has their own strength. And if you look at each piece of technology, even if the parts change, there are some suppliers who have advantages in specific areas.

So we will partner with them and communicate then what kind of vehicles we want to produce. We will communicate that earlier than before, and we would like to create a business where we can capitalize on each other's strength gradually. Your next question was what should we do to make sure that vehicles do not become commodities.

As you mentioned, hybrid technology is one of our strengths. And as I mentioned in my presentation, one of the growth areas is emerging countries. In these countries, CO2 reduction is necessary and at the same time, our demand is expected to grow.

So with hybrid, securing a profit base is necessary, and we will have to be close to the local community to make ever-better cars. On the other hand, we take a multi-pathway approach. That means we do not specialize in specific areas.

We look at the characteristics of each area or geographic area, and we provide our products that are more suitable for that region. Not only hybrids, but in all vehicles, we need to provide vehicles that is very Toyota-like. We are trying to look at how we can provide BEV and various vehicles that are very -- car manufacturer like.

So it's not just the powertrain changes. So we are going to focus on this as well. And the purpose of establishing the new organization of the BEV factory is that and we want to create appealing battery cars as well. One additional point.

In domestic production, not only volume, but you're trying to make a profit through various supply chains, right? So we're not just looking at TMC alone. We have suppliers. So with the suppliers, so we want to change the characteristics of the vehicles.

In the past, the hardware accounted for the majority of the value of the vehicle, that was in the past. But now we have software and also post marketing update and customization is possible. So we want to make sure that the vehicles meets the customers' events more. It's not just the car manufacturers that should be making efforts.

We have to work with many suppliers. And capitalize upon our advantages so that we can transform mobility..

Ellie Gibbs

Next question, and the person at the very front..

Hans Greimel

I am Hans from Automotive News. I have two question. One is about production and one is about the profit structure for EVs. About production, it seems that you are aiming for maybe a record production in the current fiscal year.

Is that correct? And how do you expect to get there? Is the chip crisis then seeing an end? Do you have some kind of new approach to securing enough chips? Or is it naturally coming to an end? How do you get this new production to a new record level? The second question is about the BEV profit structure after 2026.

Right now, you have an operating profit margin around 7%. But in 2026, you want to introduce a new platform, which will have lower costs, maybe faster turnaround time and also new revenue sources through the software side.

What do you imagine the profitability to be like in the second half of the 2020s compared to today? Will it be higher? Often, we think about EVs as being more expensive or more costly with slimmer margins, but maybe it's the opposite that will be a turning point for higher margins..

Yoichi Miyazaki Operating Officer, EVice President, Chief Competitive Officer, Chief Financial Officer and President of Bus. Planning & Operation

Regarding the first question, I would like to answer. I think related to the first question, the previous term, we wanted to deliver as early as possible to the customers demand, but we were not able to fulfill the demand.

And so the numbers that we have cited an accumulation of the response of the production site to the customers' needs and also the products that we want to launch going forward. So regarding that, we believe that can probably set a base volume of 10.1 million units, as was mentioned earlier.

And this 10.1 million units as Hans-san questioned earlier, how do we intend to achieve those goals because we were having such difficulty manufacturing last year. That's probably the point of your question. But one year ago, we had no idea which semiconductor chips will be in short supply at one time.

So as Sato said, suddenly, there would be a shortage of components, and we had to lose the production volume against the plan. That was the situation that continued last year. But we want to make these risk semiconductors visible.

And once we gained visibility, then we will change the design so that we can have alternative sources and the sellers will try to actively sell the nonrisk semiconductors. And through these efforts, over 1 year, although things are not perfect, our ability in power to manage semiconductor supply has been greatly improved.

And so as the new base volume, we believe that the 10.1 million units is a feasible number that we can cite. What we want is the customer smiles and for that, we want each person in the production site or in the regions to set up good communication and relationship with the customers.

And as a result of our focus on product and manufacturing, we were able to cite this number of 10.1 million. So as you said, our base volume would be a record number of vehicle sales..

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

So may I respond to the second question, Hans-san, thank you for that question. After 2026, we intend to launch next-generation battery EVs. And as was explained at the policy meeting earlier, the key point would be how to reduce costs. I think that is 1 angle that's critical.

In the case of battery EVs, as you know, the proportion of batteries against the total cost structure is very high. So how to develop a car or design a car that can most efficiently utilize the power of the battery.

Now battery EV through the development and manufacture battery EVs, we've learned a lot of things, so we want to incorporate these learnings at the same time. The next-generation BEV must change the factories themselves. So we are now discussing this point. So the manufacturing process itself will be totally changed.

So it's not placing an engine on the body and then assembling parts on top totally new and refreshed process, for example, reducing the total line by half or improving the production efficiency through these very drastic improvements, we would like to reduce cost, the manufacturing cost, so how to reduce the increase in costs will be a key factor.

And another factor is, as Hans-san said, battery EV, value-add must be improved. And I think this is adding intelligence. Adding intelligence is most important.

There are some appealing attractive software using product value add that can only be achieved with BEV and we believe it's possible to enhance the customers' experience value as a result of this.

And so we just earlier released new -- news on the new organization and leaders who have learned in China under new team membership will grapple with developing a new battery EV. So we have just started with this team's activities. So I do hope that you will support these activities going forward as well..

Hans Greimel

And what about the profitability level in the later half of the 2020s? Will it be comparable to what we see today or higher?.

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

So not only battery EVs, but we'll be delivering various electrified vehicles through multi pathways. So we wanted to secure the same level of profitability as today. We've already said this earlier, there may be various difficulties, but we want to deliver even better cars to customers.

And by pursuing this goal, we believe that we should be able to achieve that goal of profitability..

Ellie Gibbs

Now to the next question. The person in the fifth row from the front..

Unidentified Analyst

My name is Yamani from NHK. I have 2 questions. The first question is related to the number, 10.1 million production. So this number you're not pursuing volume. Is that the intent? And that is my first question. And second question is about the Chinese business. Mr.

Miyazaki said last year, sales volume went down and new energy vehicles are increasing and the Japanese makes are struggling in the Chinese market.

So TMC, what is your stance on the current status of the Chinese market, which is said to be the largest in the world? And what about your future prospects?.

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

Thank you very much for your question. 10.1 million sales volume forecast. As Mr. Miyazaki mentioned, so we need production and sales that will be able to meet the demand so that we'll be able to meet the needs of the customers. So ultimately, we need to be selected by the customers.

And when that -- only when that happens, we'll be able to achieve that number. And the Chinese business will be discussed by Mr. Miyazaki..

Yoichi Miyazaki Operating Officer, EVice President, Chief Competitive Officer, Chief Financial Officer and President of Bus. Planning & Operation

On the Chinese business. Looking back on the results of last year, we weren't able to secure sufficient semiconductors. And something that is specific to China was the COVID impact from the beginning of the year. So demand went down from time to time. So Lexus exported to China from Japan went down last year.

However, as you know, in China, we have local business. So if you look at Chinese business overall, last year, although we were struggling in terms of volume compared to the previous year, our share increased steadily in the Chinese market. Many people look at the BEV market alone. But in China, there is the hybrids, PATVs as well.

And many of our customers are using these vehicles. And last year, our share has gone up to around 9%. So the market will continue to be very competitive. However, vehicles that will be lost by Chinese customers and vehicles that will please the Chinese customers is something that we will continue to pursue.

And as a result, we will make efforts so that as a result, our business will grow..

Hiroki Nakajima Operating Officer, Vice President, Executive VP, Chief Technology Officer & Director

Let me add one point from my side. Product competitiveness or the products or the market in China is changing very quickly. As we mentioned in the Shanghai Motor Show, in a timely manner, we mean to provide vehicles that will be loved by Chinese customers.

And therefore, we have development sites in China, and we're trying to localize development in China so that we can develop at a place that is close to the customer and catch up with the demand of the customers in the Chinese market..

Ellie Gibbs

Any further questions? I guess, the person in the front row again..

Unidentified Analyst

I have two questions. Both have to do with battery EVs. The first question is to Executive Vice President, Nakajima. You just explained about the BEV and how you view the Chinese market for BEV. So could you be more specific? You went to the Shanghai Motor Show and I think from the viewpoint of genchi genbutsu going to the site to see the facts.

What is your impression of the Chinese market shift to electrified vehicles? And Toyota -- what do you think is you're lacking in terms of product development? What do you have to change in order to address the Chinese market? So could you be specific about this? Second question is to President Sato.

The battery EV interim objective of target of 1.5 million was announced last month, and you said that you'll be injecting JPY3 trillion in R&D for BEV this term. So in order to achieve your goals, what specifically do you intend to do within the extent possible to disclose..

Hiroki Nakajima Operating Officer, Vice President, Executive VP, Chief Technology Officer & Director

Thank you. So going on to the first question first.

As you said, we went to the Shanghai Motor Show, frankly, I was totally amazed basically the electrification of battery EV was progressing very rapidly, not only that, but that's already taken for granted and that differentiation and competition over differentiating through adding intelligence was much faster than we expected.

And as I said, Chinese customers, what -- how to timely deliver on their needs, for example, infotainment, digital cockpit, cockpit development. It will take too long if we were to develop in Japan. So that's why we want to accelerate localization, also we wanted to gain the cooperation of the local suppliers in speeding up our endeavors..

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

Regarding the second question, 1.5 million units is not a target per se, but it's a base volume criteria that we want to work toward. And as I said, not only Toyota, but many suppliers, many dealers will be all cooperating to make the shift towards battery EV. So we have to set the pace and show the pace to the others. So that's our viewpoint.

And against that backdrop, as I said earlier, we must, first of all, create a firm lineup of products. And immediately, we already have several models of battery EVs launched in the market, and we have received a lot of feedback from the market.

And so we want to improve our marketing power and market -- our product development power in an [indiscernible] manner. That's critical, cruising range and the charging time necessary, there are voices and requiring improvements there. So we want to speed up the efforts to improve the marketing power of our products.

Also we want to engage in speedy Toyota like Kaizen and entice as many people as possible to want to ride Toyota BEVs. We must sort a lineup that would not fail the expectations. And of course, China and the United States will be the central market.

So not only Toyota loan, but we want to collaborate with our partners to respond to -- with a good full lineup to respond to customers' needs and also to provide and develop products that a Toyota-like appeal and specific attractiveness to customers..

Ellie Gibbs

Thank you very much to Mr. Umeda. The person along the aisle in the middle..

Unidentified Analyst

My name is from Asahi Shimbun. I have 2 questions. The first question is about storing material costs. Parts prices and supporting suppliers is something that you are doing, including and paying for utility charges. Two ticket only directly supports primary suppliers, but you have a secondary or Tier 3 suppliers.

What is the current status of these Tier 2 or 3 suppliers? At the moment, 51 million impact of storing material prices, we understand. So how much support went to suppliers? And what kind of support will continue to win is another question I would like to ask. And my second topic is related to what Mr.

Sato mentioned at the outset, which is about Daihatsu. In the automobile industry, you have the suppliers and you have the dealers. So many people are involved in the industry. And these people working together as part of the strength of the industry.

And that may have turned into pressure like not being able to change the plans that some people say that, that may be at the recourse of this problem. Mr. Sato, you mentioned the development environment possibly being a problem. And you also talked about premium environment in which you can speak your mind.

And you also talked about making an environment where people can freely talk.

So about you are about to identify the recalls, but what is your current stance on governance and corporate culture?.

Masahiro Yamamoto Chief Officer of Accounting Group

Thank you very much for your question. Your first question was about storing material costs. So with the suppliers, we've had a close communication. We talk directly with Tier 1 suppliers. And if you look at the numbers, changing the sales price and adjustment of purchase costs is something that you can see from the numbers.

And if you look at Tier 2 and Tier 3 suppliers. Many people have different opinions, and we are still on our way to further improvement. But our intent is to protect the supply chain so that we can overcome the current rough times. So we want to continue dialogue with the suppliers and continue the initiatives that we are undertaking.

And another point is about this fiscal year. Overall, the general material prices have started to stabilize. And some -- for some of the materials, the prices have started to come down. But in particular, if you look at utility charges in Japan, over the past year, it has continued to increase. And this year, it still stays at a high level.

So we need to continue to talk with the suppliers on that factor. So TMC -- in addition to TMC and suppliers, the JAMA or the automobile industry as a whole will have to tackle this together and are actually trying to tackle this together..

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

Your second question was about the Daihatsu issue. Let me talk about something that I have in mind. So with regards to this regularity, this was about our certification or collision safety. And this irregularity itself should never have happened, but it did happen, which means that there should be a root cause.

So how to identify the root cause and eliminate that cause is something that we have to tackle. Blaming this on somebody is not a solution. We are in the auto industry, and there are rules in the industry, and we are manufacturing cars in this industry.

And there shouldn't be anybody who do a misconduct intentionally, but there was, which means that there should be some environmental factors. So the subject vehicles, they are used by customers, and we have to make sure that we do not cause any inconvenience to the customers. So we need to clarify what happened.

And as a first step, we need to identify that. And also, we need to explain to the relevant parties. And we have to explain -- we have already explained that to relevant parties and started to take initiatives to make sure that this does not happen again. And there is something that we think is important.

The cause of issues like these is not a specific person. There was a mechanism or environment that forced that person to undertake a misconduct. And we need to go to the gemba.

Repeat discussions and make sure that people talk their minds to us, and we need to continue dialogue and we need to put ourselves in their shoes and think and understand why this happened. The current situation will have to be accurately communicated to many people. We need to do away with the concerns, and we need to secure a psychological safety.

As I mentioned at the outset, Chairman Toyoda went to Thailand, which is a producing country and the main market of the target vehicle. So Mr. Toyoda went to Thailand and met many stakeholders face to face and talk to them. Mr. Nagata was with Mr. Toyoda at that time. What is the thinking of Toyota in facing this issue will be discussed by Mr. Nagata..

Jun Nagata Chief Communication Officer, Chief Officer of External & Public Affairs Group and Operating Officer

Thank you very much. My name is Nagata. The day before yesterday, which was Monday, with the Chairman, we -- I went to Thailand to explain basically, Yaris Ativ is produced in Thailand and exports are made. And Thailand is a large volume market for Yaris Ativ. So basically, we knew that the vehicle was safe.

So we wanted to communicate the fact that the vehicle's safe to the customers and stakeholders. As Mr. Sato mentioned at the outset, what we thought was important was that Toyota as a gateway factory is producing the vehicle. And with Daihatsu, we have a development site, which is TDEM. So the TDEM members -- many of them are from Daihatsu.

So the people producing the vehicle and the TDEM members were all concerned and had anxiety about what was really happening. So what is happening and the fact that the vehicle is safe. And as Mr.

Sato mentioned, Toyota is a company that stops things when a problem happens and tries to identify the root cause until it is known and countermeasures are taking. That cycle is repeated at Toyota. And Toyota is a company where people can freely speak their mind. So that was to be communicated to people in Thailand.

The people producing the vehicles, the TDEM developers, dealers, we wanted to communicate that this to these stakeholders. So as you mentioned, for the group governance, we want to make sure that we have a culture where you can fully speak your mind. And we need to use genchi genbutsu to identify the root cause.

That is something that I learned on you at time. And so we will collaborate with other group companies in tackling this issue. Thank you..

Ellie Gibbs

We now like to receive questions from those reporters who are now online or participating online. So we would like to take this time to entertain questions of online Bloomberg. Inajima-san from Bloomberg, we will switch the screen. So please start speaking if you see your face on the screen, please..

Tsuyoshi Inajima

Hello, can you hear me?.

Jun Nagata Chief Communication Officer, Chief Officer of External & Public Affairs Group and Operating Officer

Yes, we hear you..

Tsuyoshi Inajima

This is Inajima from Bloomberg. I have two questions as well. One is about dividends and the share repurchase. Regarding dividend, you will conduct increase dividends stably and continuously. And as for share repurchase, conduct repurchases in a flexible manner, focusing on our share price levels.

So how do you tend to do this for share repurchases? When you think -- talk about share level, would it be 1x PBR? Would that be one of the factors for a share buyback, or do you have some other criteria internally? And when that internal threshold is -- fall short, and then you will, for example, reduce the share repurchase volumes.

Also second is Sato, President Sato talked about mobility show and that you show a concept car of the BEV at that show.

And so the next-generation BEV concept cars, which you intend to launch in 2026 will be shown at the mobility show in autumn? Is that what you meant?.

Yoichi Miyazaki Operating Officer, EVice President, Chief Competitive Officer, Chief Financial Officer and President of Bus. Planning & Operation

Thank you for that question. Yes. Regarding the dividend and share repurchase, as we explained, our major policy is to reset our approach to both. And that's what we have conveyed to you earlier. As we said earlier, up to now, in terms of dividend, we had a criteria of consolidated payout ratio of 30% as a policy.

But those shareholders, what would please our shareholders, how can we contribute more to our shareholders. We had that sort of a discussion internally, and so we decided to increase dividends stably and continuously as a new revised policy. And as a result, regarding our share repurchases.

Of course, this will depend on share price levels, but the major policy is, as we have been saying all along, to be flexible in our approach. And so we will make judgments on the absolute value of share repurchase flexibly. But our major revised policy is to focus more on dividends rather than share repurchases..

Ellie Gibbs

Anything to add, Chief Officer Accounting group..

Masahiro Yamamoto Chief Officer of Accounting Group

We will look at the share price levels in our share repurchases, share price levels currently not a satisfactory level at all for us. The PB -- it's, of course, below 1x of PBR, and we also are not satisfied with this, and we take this very seriously. So to prove this, for example, PBR can be dividing to PR and ROE.

And as Sato-san said, this mobility concept or electrification and adding intelligence and more functionality, how can we more specifically provide this to customers of this vision. I think that we must focus on developing and delivering costs that satisfy people's expectations.

As for ROE, this is rather detailed, but of course, we have achieved this ROE with some intention intently, for example, in finance or inventory.

And this automobile industry we have to defend this industry, and when we experienced various natural disasters then we had to have on hand finance, which could sustain our business operations for the next 6 months. So that's a role.

And also, last year, semiconductor and when production was reduced, then we had to protect the supply chain and our assets, which means that we have to hold a certain level of inventory to do that. So the entire automotive industry has to work together and fight together. And I believe that part of the ROE numbers include this intentional measures.

So we are not at all satisfied with the results. So we would like to continue to make improvements against these numbers. Thank you..

Hiroki Nakajima Operating Officer, Vice President, Executive VP, Chief Technology Officer & Director

Let me try to respond to the second question, Inajima-san. The next-generation battery EV, would we be showing them at the 26 Mobility Show? The answer is yes. Rather than explaining our words, we thought it was much better to have you see the concept models and give us your feedback. So we decided to showcase it a mobility show.

As was released today, the new organization called the BEV Factory, and Sato-san will be the head of this. Sato-san was developing battery EVs in China previously. And let me share with you his comment. He said that he wants to change the future of cars with these next-generation BEVs.

When he talks about the future, of course, he's talking about the future of cars. It was about the form, both in form, as well as the adding of intelligence to cars. And the second point would be factories that is to change the future of the production factories. So we will have a wholesale change of the manufacturing process.

Also, the change -- our change of work the way we work must also be revised in a large manner toward the future. And as you know, within the group, we have woven by Toyota and various other venture companies. We have a lot of connections with Toyota ventures, et cetera.

So we will continue aggressive investment into these in diverse so with various partners and various friends and colleagues. We -- within the canvass of next years' BEV, we want to consider how we can change the future vision and change the way we work.

And so this is, of course, Sato-san's personal views, but I do hope that you will watch -- see the showcase of our new concept BEV models in the fall mobility show. So please look forward to it..

Ellie Gibbs

We will take another question online from Wall Street Journal, Mr. River Davis..

River Davis

Hello. This is River Davis from the Wall Street Journal. I wanted to ask 2 follow-up questions. The first is on the China market.

We heard a lot from auto executives coming back to Japan about how they felt there was a lot of competition that they realized is happening in China and that they needed to find their own unique strategy of remaining relevant. And Miyazaki-san, you spoke about the strength of hybrids in China.

Do you feel like this is a unique kind of weapon for Toyota in that market going forward? And my second question is on EVs and profitability. Last month, you spoke a lot about kind of how great profit margins are on hybrid vehicles at the moment.

So as you're looking towards the 2026 EV target, the 2030 EV sales target, how do you prioritize maximizing profitability versus attaining those EV targets?.

Yoichi Miyazaki Operating Officer, EVice President, Chief Competitive Officer, Chief Financial Officer and President of Bus. Planning & Operation

This is Miyazaki speaking. I will be responding to your first question. So how we compete as of today and how we compete in the future is something that I would like to talk about as Mr. Nakajima mentioned, what we saw at the motor show was something that we were surprised with.

For China, from a global perspective, just like the United States at battery, they are moving quickly to battery EVs. So for China, we want to prepare a solid battery EV strategy.

Then the question is including Chinese mix, how are we going to compete in BEVs? First, we need to identify the needs of the Chinese customers and supply vehicles that are very much like a car manufacturers vehicle. So that is how we intend to prepare for the Chinese market.

Of course, the preferences of the Chinese customers and America and European preferences may be different, but China has its own unique characteristics. We will study those so that we can enhance our competitiveness in the market. We are taking a multi-pathway approach. And China is a very large market, and we are going to provide various products.

And one thing that we have to strengthen for the Chinese market is a battery EV vehicles. That is the first thing we have to do..

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

This is Sato speaking. And let me add something. And as Mr. Miyazaki mentioned in the Chinese market, the battery EVs are moving very quickly. So for the Chinese market battery EVs or DMC will make its utmost efforts. But also, on the other hand, there is solid demand for hybrid vehicles in China. Battery EV, a demand is more or less new demand.

So a part of your question was a hybrid, will hybrid be a TMC's advantage? So the -- our demand structure is different between HPs and BEVs. So we would like to tackle both markets and try to be competitive in both..

Ellie Gibbs

So going back to this hall, the person in very front again..

Unidentified Analyst

[Indiscernible] from Asahi Shimbun. I have two questions again. First question, the various auto OEMs are shifting toward battery EVs. In the case of Toyota, you have -- your strength is in hybrid cars, but going forward, what do you intend to do going forward regarding. And the second question overlaps a bit with the first one.

So the balance between investment and profitability from the battery EVs. The various auto OEMs are saying that BEV investment is becoming a burden on their profitability. And you say that you will aim for JPY4 trillion in BEV investment by 2030, and you mentioned this in 2021. So have you updated these numbers.

Also, Toyota's EV business, you'll be investing first without recouping the investment -- profit.

So how do you intend to secure the funds for investments?.

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

Thank you. Let me reply the first question. The second one will be handled by Miyazaki-san. So they -- our approach to battery EV, we have been communicating about all along that Toyota would like to strongly focus on battery EV is going forward. However, the renewed message from me is that our ultimate goal is to achieve carbon neutrality.

And to achieve or to change mobility in the future. And so the customers' demands are diversing -- becoming diverse. And so the automotive industries need are diversifying, we want to apply to those diversified needs. And we also want to respond to changes in energy needs and enhance the value of cars and change the future of cars.

And we believe that, that -- those are very important initiatives to have people have -- expect more from vehicles, not only that powertrains are replaced with electricity -- electric power planes, and that changes the cost structures of cars. That alone will not be enough to create a vision of a sustainable industry for automobiles.

So we have -- we can't lose sight of the ultimate goal. So we will focus on battery EVs as one solution, but our goal is to change the future of cars. And with this strong resolve, we want to grapple with this challenge with the local stakeholders..

Yoichi Miyazaki Operating Officer, EVice President, Chief Competitive Officer, Chief Financial Officer and President of Bus. Planning & Operation

Let me answer to the second question. JPY4 trillion of investment in BEV was, of course, announced by our company as a base volume, but our current criteria is towards 1.5 million in 2026, maybe JPY2.5 trillion investment will be necessary. Also towards the year 2030, in order -- we have set a volume -- base volume of 3.5 million.

But when we update this, perhaps this will require about a JPY5 trillion investment as a base -- value-based volume.

So against this backdrop, how do we intend to finance this investment? But as I said earlier, up to now, we have been engaged in cost reduction efforts as well as marketing efforts and by reinforcing our relationship with customers, we have been increasing our earnings power, and we have shown an outlook of JPY3 trillion in earnings power this year.

And in order to achieve this absolute goal value, the profit structure that we aim for is one that can generate new room for investment. And through that, we can finance future investments, including investments in BEVs. But battery EVs as Nakajima has mentioned all along, also, we have to reduce cost in battery EV development as well.

But this is a challenge, yet a challenge. We have no prospect for this. So what we can do is to further promote the cost reduction of JPY100 billion and then expand the value chain further so that we can reinforce the corporate stamina. And become a structure where we can generate profitability despite the headwind.

So through these efforts, we want to finance our investment or generate enough funds for investment..

Unidentified Analyst

May I -- you talked about JPY5 trillion in investment.

You -- would that be counting from this year, this fiscal year?.

Hiroki Nakajima Operating Officer, Vice President, Executive VP, Chief Technology Officer & Director

Yes. From this fiscal year. Thank you..

Ellie Gibbs

Because of time limitations, let us take the two last questions. Person in the third row, in the central -- in the center..

Unidentified Analyst

My name is [indiscernible], a journalist since COVID. The supply was in shortage. The more you produce, the more you can sell is what we have been saying. This was a very special time. And if you look at the results of your rivals, they have raised their price significantly and their operating margins were very high in many cases.

And if you look at the numbers of Toyota on the other hand, you may not have been that aggressive in raising your prices. If I'm wrong, please correct me. But what is your exit strategy? One time, there was -- at one time, -- there will be a time when supply will be higher than demand and products won't be selling that easy.

So you might have been suppressing the amount of price hikes taking that into consideration, that was what I thought.

So when supply goes up, how -- what is the exit strategy that TMC has in mind?.

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

Thank you very much for your question. So in a sense, supply was in shortage. And with regards to raising prices, ultimately, well, we think mass production is extremely important. So high-quality products being delivered to our customers at affordable prices so that we can see smiles on the faces of the customers.

That is at the basis of our management strategy. In the short term, things were very difficult. So rather than taking the route of raising prices. We took a longer-term perspective. We needed to maintain the rigs of trust with our customers. So first, we focused on making efforts ourselves.

As I mentioned before, at this moment, in the past 14 years of Mr. Toyota's Presidentship, we've had a Corolla, Crown and other long-seller names. We have many products that are loved by the customers over the years. So including prices, there are expectations of our customers.

So it's not as simple as flexibly changing the prices because of economic conditions. That will not lead to a long-term relationship of trust with the customers. But of course, we have to look at the economic environment and improve our profitability.

So in the case of Crown rather than just looking at a single ground model, we need to pursue efficiency and improve the appeal of the product and competitiveness of the product and add value to the product. That is what we have been focusing on. So increase the basic strength and improve the appeal of the products.

So that is what we mean by product centered management. And that will lead over the long term to establish a relationship with trust between TMC and its customers. But when we enhance value add, of course, we need to consider prices that are commensurate with that value. So we need to strike a balance.

The -- so we will stick to our basic management strategy. That is how we are taking this approach..

Unidentified Analyst

In terms of profit, you seem to be struggling very much in North America, if you look at the numbers.

If you look at news reports, soaring material crisis did not allow you to increase prices according to news reports, but it seems like you are very -- your exit strategy was not to immediately raise prices, but what will be your future exit strategy?.

Koji Sato President, Chief Executive Officer, Operating Officer & Director

Thank you for the question. For North America, producing cars and delivering cars is something that we were struggling with. So speeding up recovery of production is #1. And if you look at the labor environment in North America, in terms of manufacturing cost, we have to make further efforts for improvements.

Based on TPS, total production system, we need to undertake improvement initiatives so that we are very strong in manufacturing at North American factories. We need to create a corporate foundation of a strong manufacturing for North America. The market, we need to have a dialogue with the market, with the customers to propose an appropriate price.

That would be the order in which we tackle things..

Ellie Gibbs

Thank you, Kazaki-san. So due to the interest of time, this will have to be the final question. The person in the middle, front row..

Unidentified Analyst

[Indiscernible]. I have two questions as well. Well, your sales have improved. And I think this is primarily due to the increased vehicle sales. So as a delivery cycle so in longer, the dealers have a good communication with the customers, I believe. So what were some of the measures you took? And second question.

I think that you had a backlog of close to 2 million units at one time that was announced. So could you talk about the current backlog currently in Japan and overseas? And when over these long delivery dates be reduced to normal delivery dates..

Jun Nagata Chief Communication Officer, Chief Officer of External & Public Affairs Group and Operating Officer

Thank you, Tanigawa-san. Now with dealers communication with the longer delivery dates, I think that really differed depending on the region. And Japanese dealers they do have longer delivery dates to start with.

So what they did was to at least tell the customers when they can expect the delivery because I think the biggest stress or frustration for customers would be not to know the steps of the delivery process. So we had to provide information to them. And the dealers also were required to respond to their questions. So that's the basis of communication.

And in the United States, they sell from their inventory. So because of this process, what caused bit match the needs of the customers and are best-selling. If they can get that information from the customers.

And so the North American companies grasped that number and they can allocate from the location of the inventories in the dealers and then deliver to the customers. And through these efforts, this time, this term, we were able to cope with issues relating to customer delivery dates.

As for Japan, due to the types of semiconductors required, we are having our Japanese customers wait longer. And so I want to explain at the very outset, semiconductor shortage is, of course, being alleviated gradually. So we hope that we will be able to improve our communication regarding delivery dates with the customers.

I hope you'll keep a watch on improvements going forward..

Unidentified Analyst

How about backlog, numbers?.

Yoichi Miyazaki Operating Officer, EVice President, Chief Competitive Officer, Chief Financial Officer and President of Bus. Planning & Operation

May I talk about backlog? Through the longer delivery dates, our learning or our lessons was that the factory production site and the people in the distributorship and the dealers and the suppliers, we all were unified. We became one team. That was the biggest benefit and so we were able to share our own pains and headaches.

And then we were able to talk about what each person can do or each member can do to improve the situation for others. And in Japan, the backlog, the orders received as of the end of April was a little more than 800,000.

But amongst our customers, those -- against those customers who request delivery by the end of April, we were not able to deliver on 10% of those 800,000 units. So we were asking the dealers to ask the customers when they want the delivery they buy.

So we will manufacture to the needs of customers who are in a hurry and we're now finally able to enter that sort of process. And in the United States, in the past, the cars were all showcased in large dealerships and the customer can pick and choose and then drive home with a car.

But a dealer had to, of course, bear the interest rate because of this. But because of the longer delivery date today, from Japan or the U.S. factory, while the car is being transported into the dealership, the cars are already being sold during its transportation. So we're able to deliver cars fresh off the production line in a sense of our inventory.

So as I said at the outset, we became one unified team. And as a result, we came up with many new ideas, fresh ideas and many ingenious ideas, which had helped us to alleviate the longer delivery dates.

So we want to continue with improvements at this space so that the customer, suppliers and the dealers, they can all enjoy delivering even better products to our customers. So we want to further improve on these kinds of processes. So we ask for your support..

Unidentified Analyst

So you say domestically, it's 800,000 units backlog? How about overseas?.

Yoichi Miyazaki Operating Officer, EVice President, Chief Competitive Officer, Chief Financial Officer and President of Bus. Planning & Operation

Well, overseas, the definition of backlog is different by region. So if I try to give you a number, it could lead to some misconceptions. It could be misleading. I'm sorry. So I hope that you will use the domestic number..

Ellie Gibbs

Thank you, Tanigawa-san. It is time to close the Q&A session. With this, we conclude the financial results meeting. Those on the stage, please stand up. Thank you very much for coming today. So off the stage. Thank you very much..

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