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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2022 - Q4
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Operator

Greetings, and welcome to the Sunoco LP's Fourth Quarter and Full Year 2022 Earnings Conference Call. [Operator Instructions]. As a reminder, this conference is being recorded. It is now my pleasure to introduce your host, Scott Grischow, Senior Vice President of Investor Relations and Treasury. Thank you, sir. You may begin..

Scott Grischow Vice President of Investor Relations, Senior VP of Finance & Treasurer

first, to maintain a secure distribution for our unitholders; second, to protect our balance sheet; and third, to continue to pursue disciplined investment and growth opportunities.

Sunoco's consistent financial results throughout various macroeconomic environments have become the hallmark of our partnership, and we expect 2023 will bring more of the same. With that, I will now turn the call over to Karl..

Karl Fails Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer of Sunoco GP LLC

Thanks, Scott. Good morning, everyone. Our team delivered yet another great quarter, supported by continued margin strength, consistent expense discipline and solid operations from both our core business and our recent investments. Starting with volumes.

We were up about 5% in the fourth quarter versus the fourth quarter of last year and flat with the third quarter of this year. We have continued to see improved volume performance relative to prior years as we have realized volume contributions from our capital deployed, both organic and through acquisitions.

With respect to margins, margin performance over the last few years continued in the fourth quarter. There are a few consistent themes that contributed to these margins. First, the fourth quarter began with a strong margin tailwind from dramatic price declines during the third quarter.

Second, if we look at overall price movement during the fourth quarter, both gasoline and diesel futures ended the quarter about where they started, but there was significant price volatility during the quarter, which supported margins. In addition, we continue to see the benefit of higher breakeven margins.

And finally, the investments that we have made over the past few years are contributing to the bottom line. Specifically, we had 1 month of our Peerless acquisition as well as a full quarter of our New York Harbor blending operations.

If we look at the entire year, our financial performance was a tale of 2 halves that clearly supports the asymmetric risk profile of our business that we have discussed before.

In the first half of the year, we were able to demonstrate solid results during the headwinds of rising commodity prices, while the second half continued to show our ability to capitalize and deliver upside during favorable market conditions. All the while maintaining expense and capital discipline in any market environment.

In regards to expenses, we did see an uptick in the fourth quarter from the third quarter. This is primarily due to the closing of our Peerless acquisition on December 1 and other employee expenses. Expense management remains one of our core strengths. And as we always have been, we remain committed to achieving our 2023 expense guidance.

As we look forward into all aspects of our 2023 business, we expect another strong year. As we sit here today, we don't know exactly what the overall economic conditions will be or where our product prices will go. We do have much more confidence that breakeven margins will remain elevated and that commodity markets will remain volatile.

As our business has shown over the past few years, regardless of the market condition, we expect solid results. Our portfolio of organic investments and acquisitions continues to deliver on expectations. We are especially excited about the 2023 opportunities provided with our most recent acquisition of Peerless.

While we have only operated the business for a little over 2 months, our synergy capture is ahead of schedule and we expect the business to outpace our original deal assumptions. More broadly, we are confident that we will continue to be successful in deploying capital, whether through organic growth or additional transactions.

Before turning the time over to Joe, I will wrap up by stating that we are off to a very good start to 2023. And as expected, we'll continue to focus on delivering results for our stakeholders through our proven strategy of gross profit optimization, delivering on expenses, solid and efficient operations and growing our core business.

Joe?.

Joseph Kim President, Chief Executive Officer & Director of Sunoco GP LLC

regardless of one's future outlook, we have a proven track record of performance through periods of economic and geopolitical volatility. Our portfolio of income stream and our ability to execute on our strategy has allowed us to deliver solid to strong results quarter after quarter.

We will build on our history of strong expense management, coupled with effective and responsible capital deployment. On the subject of growth, we will continue to look for value by and investment opportunities to strengthen and vertically integrate both our midstream and fuel distribution business. All this built on keeping our balance sheet strong.

Bottom line, we expect to have another strong year in 2023. Operator, that concludes our prepared remarks. You may open the line for questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our first question comes from Theresa Chen with Barclays..

Theresa Chen

Congratulations on the solid results. My first question has to do with some of the demand commentary that Karl spelled out in his prepared remarks.

I'm just curious to get a better sense of what is happening to base case demand across -- or baseline demand across your assets, given the volatility in the EIA data as well as just macro headwinds that the consumers are facing.

If you could help us think about how that evolves in the first quarter of 2023 and throughout the year, that would be very helpful..

Karl Fails Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer of Sunoco GP LLC

You bet. Thanks, Theresa. Thanks for the question. Just building on my prepared remarks, if we go back into, call it, the back half of last year, and you look at the EIA data, it had lagged the previous year. I think at different parts of the year. It was close to where we were in '21.

But I think definitely in the back half, on a seasonal basis, that volume had kind of stagnated and I think that's continued as it's -- we've come into 2023. We've talked about our crystal ball, not necessarily being totally clear as far as demand going forward.

But at least that's what we've seen in our network, and it matches, I think, what the EIA data has said. As it relates to us and overall economic situation, I think really the mechanism of breakeven margins that we've talked about kind of diminishes any impact on any volume slowdown that might be happening, at least for our results.

And so if you look at the economy and there's talk of some good low unemployment numbers and then maybe there's talk of recession, and I think our perspective is that we don't know exactly what the economy is going to look like from a macro perspective going forward.

But from a volume and margin going into gross profit, we're very comfortable with what our business has yielded and I think the last 3 years has shown that because we've seen various situations during those 3 years..

Theresa Chen

And now that your coverage leverage, free cash flow outlook are in very healthy places.

Can you talk about your position to do something bigger than the bolt-on acquisitions that you've been digesting over the past couple of years? Do you have desires to get into a bigger way in other parts of the midstream value chain?.

Joseph Kim President, Chief Executive Officer & Director of Sunoco GP LLC

number one, we're going to look for stable income; two, we're going to look for growth opportunities; three, we're going to look for some synergy opportunities; and finally, we're going to look for good value. If it's a small acquisition, we're going to do that.

If it's a big acquisition, it checks all 4 boxes, we'll definitely give it to your attention..

Operator

Our next question comes from Elvira Scotto with RBC Capital Markets..

Elvira Scotto

Can you -- just to kind of follow up on that.

Given the strength of your balance sheet and strong coverage, what are your thoughts on the distribution going forward? I mean, is there a target leverage or coverage you'd like to see? I mean is a distribution increase a potential going forward?.

Joseph Kim President, Chief Executive Officer & Director of Sunoco GP LLC

secured distributions, strong balance sheet and growth. So as we increase our free cash flow, I think we're at the point where we can't have those discussions. So at the appropriate time, we'll make that determination. And at the appropriate time, we'll announce at Street..

Elvira Scotto

Great. And then the other question that I had, you talked about the Peerless acquisition and how the synergies are running ahead of expectations and the acquisition itself, overall running ahead of expectations.

Can you provide a little more detail around that? And then can you talk about some of the additional opportunities that you see directly as a result of that acquisition? And then finally, just talk broader about the M&A environment..

Karl Fails Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer of Sunoco GP LLC

Sure. Elvira, this is Karl. I'll talk about Peerless and then Joe, can probably give you a flavor on the overall M&A environment.

If you look at our Peerless acquisition, it's really kind of a microcosm of our strategy, right? It's a solid fuel distribution company that had vertical integration with midstream terminal assets that they had their own brand and they sold to commercial customers.

And so I think when we announced it last quarter and we talked about it, just really fit into our strategy. The good thing is that the margins and the volumes are stable. But if anything, I think under the previous ownership, they ran it really well, but there were some capital limitations.

And so I think as we look at the opportunity for growth and folding that into our overall capital plan, we're willing to grow that both by signing up new customers on the island by potential maybe even some smaller transactions on the island. They currently have a export business where they're exporting to neighboring Caribbean Islands.

We can grow that, and then there's even a possibility of us expanding into a bigger presence in some of those neighboring islands, building off the infrastructure we have in Puerto Rico. So I think that gives you a flavor of the kind of growth that we're looking at as far as the base business and the synergies.

I think we've looked at M&A for a long time, and we definitely aren't necessarily conservative, overly conservative as we look at it. But I think once we got ownership and got to know the team a little better, it was even more solid than we expected and the business even more resilient with some of the price movements that happened.

And so I think that gives you a good picture of why we're excited..

Joseph Kim President, Chief Executive Officer & Director of Sunoco GP LLC

And Elvira, this is Joe. As far as kind of a more general M&A environment, the way I would characterize it is very similar to what we saw in 2022. We still believe there's value buys out there, especially for strategics like SUN that bring material synergies to the table.

So I think a reasonable expectation is that we see 2023 being very similar to 2022..

Operator

Our next question is from Spiro Dounis with Citi..

Spiro Dounis

Two follow-ups on kind of what we already touched on, maybe just to put a finer point on it. But just looking at guidance now, starting to look really conservative for 2023, and I realize we've got a lot of the year left to go.

But if I think about one of the biggest factors driving the difference in our model is, of course, these elevated margins that you're seeing. So just curious, maybe you could touch a little bit more on.

What is keeping margins elevated right now in this market? And what of those factors could possibly reverse as the year goes on to bring that down? Or is it looking pretty resilient at this point?.

Joseph Kim President, Chief Executive Officer & Director of Sunoco GP LLC

This is Joe. Let me take the first part of that on guidance, and then I'll turn it over to Karl talking about margins. As far as guidance, we just gave guidance in December. So we're 1.5 months into the year.

And I think I stated it on my prepared remarks, Karl stated in his prepared remarks, we're off to a very good start, and we finished up the fourth quarter very strong. So 1.5 months in, I think it is a bad habit for companies to update guidance every couple of months, and we're not going to get into that bad habit.

As the year progresses, more data, if there's material change, we'll provide guidance or revise guidance history. And we did that twice last year with upward guidance. So like I think you characterized it, it is very early, but I understand your point..

Karl Fails Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer of Sunoco GP LLC

Yes. And as far as the margin strength goes, Spiro, I mentioned a number of factors in my prepared remarks. And some of those I think are quarter-to-quarter dependent, but the majority of those, as we look into the near future, will continue.

So I'll kind of put them in those 2 buckets, right? The price movement that we saw down with prices moving dramatically down in the third quarter and then carried a tailwind into the fourth quarter.

Yes, we're going to have periods like the first half of last year where prices are moving up, and then we'll have periods like the second half where prices are moving down, and you'll have some variation in margins based on that.

The other factors that I mentioned, though, related to volatility of prices as well as kind of overall higher breakeven margins and then the contributions of our capital deployment, whether it's through organic or through M&A, those are going to continue. And so I wouldn't necessarily see a change in 2023 or even maybe in 2024 based on those.

So that gives us confidence as we look forward that, as Joe said, our business is strong. We expect to have another really good year this year..

Spiro Dounis

Got it. That's helpful color. Second one, so it caused a little bit of noise around the first quarter. But just the 7-Eleven makeup payment kind of in the feature over the last few years. I know sometimes it's harder to predict, but just curious if you can just any sort of guidance on what that could look like in 1Q..

Karl Fails Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer of Sunoco GP LLC

Sure. Yes. I'm always careful to not disclose 7-Eleven's volumes. But I think it's fair to say that we're expecting a higher makeup payment this year than last year. And so that would be a fair assumption..

Spiro Dounis

Okay. Got it.

And one more, if I could sneak it in, perhaps most importantly, should I assume that next year's December Analyst Day will be in Puerto Rico?.

Karl Fails Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer of Sunoco GP LLC

We can talk about it..

Operator

[Operator Instructions]. Our next question comes from Ned Baramov with Wells Fargo..

Ned Baramov

There was a small leak on the Colonial pipeline in January. I guess one line was down for several days.

Could you talk about the potential impact to you if any? And maybe touch on the volume trends in January, February?.

Karl Fails Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer of Sunoco GP LLC

Yes. So as far as the Colonial outage, it had no material impact on us. I think the only other comment I'd make is our supply network is diverse enough, and the supply team does a really good job of making sure we have optionality and we're tuned to the market.

So clearly, if in an extended outage that would have an impact, but something like what happened, it didn't really impact us.

As far as volume trends in January and February, I guess I'll build off one of my earlier answers, Ned, and say kind of that stagnation of volume that we -- kind of volume growth on a seasonal basis that we saw at the back half of last year has continued into the first couple of months.

Again, we don't think that, that has a material impact on our overall performance and earnings, but that's what we're seeing..

Ned Baramov

Got it. And then my second one is on OpEx. I guess guidance was reaffirmed, but expenses increased in the fourth quarter and you did note that this was partially due to the Peerless acquisition. But just annualizing the fourth quarter OpEx, gets me to roughly $550 million, I guess, for '23.

Could you talk about what gets you to the low end and the high end of your guidance range?.

Karl Fails Executive Vice President & Chief Operating Officer of Sunoco GP LLC

Sure, Ned. For those of you who've been following us for a while, OpEx management is something that we take pride in, and it's very important and core to what we do. And so I'll talk about Q4 and then our 2023 guidance. So in Q4, I mentioned a couple of things in our -- in my prepared remarks.

So there's a little bit of Peerless in there and some other kind of catch-up or onetime expenses for the year. If you look at the difference between where we ended the year in '22 and our guidance, even the upper end of our guidance range for '23, that is entirely explained by our Peerless acquisition.

So if you take a step back and think about that, I don't know many other companies that are saying that they're flat year-over-year in this inflationary environment. And so if anything, we think that differentiates us versus our competition..

Operator

We have reached the end of our question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the floor back over to Scott Grischow for closing comments..

Scott Grischow Vice President of Investor Relations, Senior VP of Finance & Treasurer

Thanks, everyone, for joining us on the call this morning. As always, if you have any follow-up questions, please feel free to reach out to me directly. Have a great day..

Operator

This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may disconnect your lines at this time..

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