Good afternoon and welcome to the RingCentral Third Quarter 2023 Earnings Conference Call. All participants will be in listen-only mode. [Operator Instructions] Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Will Wong, Vice President of Investor Relations. Please go ahead..

Thank you. Good afternoon and welcome to RingCentral's third quarter 2023 earnings conference call. Joining me today are Tarek Robbiati, CEO; Vlad Shmunis, Founder and Executive Chairman; and Sonalee Parekh, CFO. Our format today will include prepared remarks by Tarek, Vlad, and Sonalee, followed by Q&A.

We also have a slide presentation available on our Investor Relations website that will coincide with today’s call, which you can find under the Financial Results section at ir.ringcentral.com.

Some of our discussion and responses to your questions will contain forward-looking statements regarding the Company’s business operations, financial performance, and outlook. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties, some of which are beyond our control, and are not guarantees of future performance.

Actual results may differ materially from our forward-looking statements and we undertake no obligation to update these statements after this call.

For a complete discussion of the risks and uncertainties related to our business, please refer to the information contained in our filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, as well as today’s earnings release. Unless otherwise indicated, all measures that follow are non-GAAP with year-over-year comparisons.

A reconciliation of all GAAP to non-GAAP results is provided with our earnings release and in the slide deck. For certain forward-looking guidance, a reconciliation of the non-GAAP financial guidance to the corresponding GAAP measure is not available as discussed in detail in the slide deck posted on our Investor Relations website.

With that, I’ll now turn the call over to Tarek..

innovation and new products..

Thanks, Tarek. As I’ve said before, AI, the mother of all megatrends, is upon us. With Tarek on board, I can now work even more closely with our product teams to ensure RingCentral remains an industry leader in this new era.

My day to day focus is now to infuse AI across our entire portfolio to improve caller, employee and customer service agent experiences, before, during and after each interaction. Our vision and commitment is to be the AI-first business communications leader.

We have made good progress towards this vision with the launch of our RingSense AI platform earlier this year. We have rapidly innovated to infuse RingSense AI into all our products.

This includes our native, AI-first, omni-channel contact center platform, RingCX, our Conversation Intelligence platform, RingSense and RingSense for Sales, and Hopin, which we acquired in July and are rebranding as RingCentral Events.

RingCX and RingCentral Events will be joining RingCentral’s industry leading Cloud PBX MVP solution, RingCentral Contact Center, RingCentral Video Meetings and Webinars, and RingSense for Sales, thus turning RingCentral into a true multi-product, AI-first company.

Let me give you some more detail about the progress we are making on some of these new products. First, RingCX, which is now in controlled availability and is expected to be generally available later this quarter.

In Q3, we embedded our RingSense AI and other technologies into RingCX to enable smarter conversations before, during and after each interaction. In addition to being AI-first, RingCX adheres to our core brand values of trust, reliability, openness and ease of deployment, use and ownership.

RingCX deployments are measured in days or short weeks and not months or quarters. To be clear, RingCX is not strictly limited to the SMB and midmarket. In fact, there are also larger customers whose particular use cases line up well with what RingCX has to offer.

This includes a 1,000 plus seat win from a Fortune 500 company that Tarek mentioned earlier. RingCX is a good complement to our RingCentral Contact Center offering, that is generally aimed at more complex use cases and larger deployments. While still in controlled availability, we already have approximately 50 customers who have selected RingCX.

In addition to RingCX, we are also working hard at reintroducing Hopin Events as RingCentral Events. This product already powers some of the world’s most recognizable brands’ internal and external events. This includes Spotify, Reddit and many other of the world’s most recognizable names.

We will be providing more detail on both RingCX and RingCentral Events at our upcoming RingCentral Innovation Event that will take place on November 14th. It will of course be hosted on our very own RingCentral Events.

We hope you can join virtually to learn more about our latest innovations as well as hear directly from customers about how they are benefiting from these products. In conclusion, never before has RingCentral had such an extensive and fully built out product portfolio.

We are making great progress in embedding AI into the entire portfolio, creating even more value for our customers. I could not be more excited about our future. With that, let me turn the call over to Sonalee.

subscriptions revenue growth of 11%, total revenue growth of 11%. Non-GAAP operating margin of 19.0%. This is up 660 basis points versus last year, and 25 basis points above the midpoint of our prior outlook. Lastly, we expect non-GAAP EPS of $3.19 to $3.20.

Additionally, given our better-than-expected profitability as well as cash conversion in Q3, primarily driven by better working capital management, we now expect adjusted, unlevered free cash flow of $290 to $300 million in 2023, up from $270 to $290 million previously.

Note this excludes $20 million to $25 million related to restructuring and other payments that we have or expect to incur. Lastly, we expect stock-based compensation of $426 to $431 million in 2023, or approximately 19.5% of revenue.

While this is higher than our prior guidance, this is related to the recent management changes that we undertook in August. Additionally, we put in place Performance Stock Units this year to demonstrate alignment between management incentives and company performance.

These PSUs are accounted for under an accelerated expense attribution model compared to Restricted Stock Units and thus resulted in higher stock-based compensation in 2023 versus our prior outlook. We would have been at the midpoint of our prior range excluding these items.

As Tarek stated, materially reducing stock-based compensation going forward is a key priority and we are implementing actions to materially reduce stock-based compensation over the next 12-months. We will share more on these actions and targets next quarter. In summary, Q3 was a good quarter.

We delivered on our guidance, we continued to invest for growth, and we demonstrated a proactive capital allocation approach. While the economic environment remains uncertain, we will remain focused and committed to executing against our priorities of delivering sustainable growth and profitability. With that, let's open the call for questions..

[Operator Instructions] Our first question is from Matt Niknam with Deutsche Bank. Please go ahead..

Hey, guys. Thank you for taking the question. Maybe a question for Tarek.

Now that you've been in the CEO seat for a couple of months, can you maybe talk a little bit more around where you see the greatest opportunity that's untapped for RingCentral, whether it's underserved markets, underserved customer sets or on the operating front? And I know you laid out five key priorities.

But where do you see maybe the immediate opportunity to start executing against? Thanks..

Thank you, Matt, for the question and welcome to our call. I'd say since I had the opportunity to serve on the Board since December 2022, I believe I have a good understanding of the business. And I've spent most of the past 60 days talking with customers, partners, employees and shareholders since I've taken on the CEO role.

I do believe there are tremendous opportunities for RingCentral, building on the solid quality foundation of our core products in UCaaS. And there is a big opportunity to provide more to customers and particularly in certain verticals such as SMB and mid-market.

We are also at this junction of the industry in a unique position to harness the power of AI given the size of our installed base. We've been investing in an AI platform for a number of years. We are infusing AI in everything we are doing.

And if you really put that in perspective of the UCaaS, CCaaS industry taken as a whole, these are being disrupted by AI, and this presents us with plenty of opportunities to innovate and capture share. And that is very critical when you're considering that we have scale.

And we have, again, a strong reputation of quality, which allows us to maintain our leadership in a competitive and increasingly disruptive industry. So that's what I'm looking forward to do is to continue to add scale and continue to sustain long-term profitable growth at RingCentral..

Thanks, Tarek..

The next question is from Samad Samana with Jefferies. Please go ahead..

Hey, everyone. This is [indiscernible] for Samad.

Sonalee, with existing customers, either buying less seats or trimming headcount, can you remind if contracts allow a customer to reduce seats? Put differently, can the customer pay for only 900 seats even if they're contracted for 1,000 if they were to reduce headcount by 10%?.

Hi. Thanks for the question. So in terms of our contracts, no. Customers typically, our average contract length is just over 3 years, and customers typically would be contracted for the full amount of seats that they signed the original contract for. And there is not typically any flexibility for a customer to reduce seats.

Of course, we always offer flexibility for them to add seats. So hopefully that answers your question..

Perfect. Thank you very much..

The next question is from Michael Funk with Bank of America. Please go ahead..

Yes. Thank you all for the time and the questions. It's Mike. So, Tarek, you laid out your priorities. One of them is productivity. You said taking steps to materially reduce sales and marketing expense.

Is there a good benchmark or a metric we should think about with your target for sales and marketing?.

Look, I wouldn't use benchmarks for really determining and percentage of sales and marketing spend as a percentage of revenue. And the reason why this is, is that you need to retain flexibility to go and capture opportunities as you see them.

And it's always important to understand productivity down to the driver level of our sales force and our channel partners and see to what extent we are acquiring growth effectively and that the growth has to come with calories, mindful of the cost of customer acquisition and the cost of retention of these customers.

So we do believe there is upside in the short-term in becoming more effective and efficient in sales and marketing. And when you really look at our spend as a percentage of revenue today, it is too high for my own liking, considering the growth we are delivering.

So you can determine whether or not we reduce that spend for the same growth or keep it, but we need higher growth. And that's a reflection that we have to ask ourselves as we look at this very important part of our P&L..

Great. Thank you very much..

The next question is from Ryan MacWilliams with Barclays. Please go ahead..

Thanks for taking the question.

Have you seen any material changes since the end of the third quarter on the macro front? And are there any differences into how your SMB customers compared to your mid-market enterprise customers are dealing with the current macro environment?.

Look, it's a good question. Obviously, the macro is what it is, and you all know and read through the news. There is no particular change relative to prior quarters and the customer feedback that we get about RingCentral is that our product is mission-critical to their business. Yes, customers are looking for ways to save money.

But where you really look at the payback from a customer standpoint with Ring, it is measured in weeks and months, not years. And just to put things in perspective for you, from a customer standpoint, UC plus CC payback period is below 6 months and the ROI that is being generated for them is north of 200%.

So specifically for the third quarter of 2023, SMB growth has moderated, and this is certainly driven by continued macro uncertainty. The Enterprise segment sales cycle remained elongated versus last year.

As we spoke about in the past, upsell is being impacted by slower growth in headcount at our customers, rationalization of their spend and more scrutiny on IT cost in general. But we do believe that our new product introductions will help with upsell over time.

And this is exactly why we are positioning ourselves now to emerge out of the macro softness with strength with a multiproduct portfolio. And so I would say macro goal is stable, and we have not seen any change in terms of easing conditions. Hopefully, this answers your question..

That’s perfect. I appreciate the color. Thanks..

The next question is from Kash Rangan with Goldman Sachs. Please go ahead..

Hey, thank you very much. Good to see the stability results. Tarek, one for you, maybe Vlad can jump in here as well.

As you introduced the AI functionality, do you think it will -- how do you think it will change sales cycles, make it faster or slower, the economics of the sale, et cetera? And also what does it mean for ARPU and retention and therefore the growth prospects of the company? Thank you so much. That’s it for me. .

So this is a very big question you're asking, Kash. And I would say if you take the perspective of our customers and you look at what we can do with our integrated UCaaS, CCaaS offerings is we can add value to them at all steps of a conversation before the call, during the call and after the call.

And the examples of that are fairly intuitive and easy to understand. Before the call, you can make sure you understand the context in which the call is being placed. During the call, of course, you can do call summaries, but you can do much more than that.

You can add a lot of value add, way of understanding what has been said in the call, the tone in which the call took place, really spearheading post-call a number of different actions moving forward.

So there is a ton of things that can be unleash for our customer, thanks to AI, and we are infusing AI throughout our offerings precisely because we see AI as an incredible opportunity for our customers to enhance their own productivity and competitiveness, and this is why we are spending a lot of time there.

I will ask Vlad to chime in on this issue because he's spending and we are spending a lot of time here, and he's the power behind the AI efforts that we are deploying right now.

Vlad?.

Thanks, Tarek. Kash, fantastic question. Look, let me address the retention part of the question. One would think that it should improve retention in a meaningful way because these insights that are being generated or at least in part generated from customers' own data.

Therefore, one would think that the whole system engagement would thus become stickier because now moving to a different platform would mean that they no longer have access to those insights. It's obviously very early, and it's too early to talk about empirical data. But in theory, it should work that way. Also just a quick comment on the sales cycle.

And I don't know how to say it any other way. It's just [indiscernible] as hell. It makes a great demo. When we show our RingSense, for example, and the type of insights and type of questions that people can get looking at their calls after the call has been made. For whatever reason, it's emotional for people. They go, "Oh, I didn't know this.

So AI, what I said in the prepared remarks, it truly is the next great megatrend. I called it mother of all megatrends and that stand by it. It's going to revolutionize the world. Our industry and RingCentral is part of it. Couldn't to be more excited..

Kash, I might just add something there as well. You were asking about the impact on ARPU from these new products. Clearly, we are very excited about pricing these in a disruptive manner, but they will still be significantly accretive to our overall ARPU. So you heard in my prepared remarks, I talked about ARPU being stable.

We would expect this to be additive to that. And in terms of incremental investment around go-to-market, we actually don't anticipate any significant incremental investments. So it should also be accretive to LTV to CAC as we look forward..

Thank you so much. The next question is from Brian Peterson with Raymond James. Please go ahead..

Hi. Thanks for taking the question. So Tarek, you mentioned in the call about partners and potential opportunity to expand there. I'd love to get more color on that. And as we think about growth vectors into 2024, how should we think about the ramp in some of your partnership efforts there? Thank you..

Thanks for the question. We do have a number of partnerships that are working very well for us right now, both in terms of global service providers such as AT&T, TELUS, BT, Vodafone, et cetera, and also strategic partners like NICE inContact, Avaya, Mitel, now Mitel Unify, and we have a great reach, thanks to these partnerships.

I do believe that there is a number of additional upside from these partnerships and also new partnerships that we can build.

So in particular, we focus on partnership opportunities that will expand our partnership ecosystem, focusing on ISVs so that we can continue to expand our reach and also build more value added offerings, particularly on a industry vertical basis where there is a lot of things that we can do to ensure that our product is connected with a broader ecosystem of verticals to penetrate those verticals selectively.

So this is one of my key focus areas for the future. And in terms of the ramp, it will take time, but you know how these partnerships are. They take time to set up. But when they are in full motion, the volume that we expect there can be considerable. And so this is why it is a critical focus area for me..

The next question is from Meta Marshall with Morgan Stanley. Please go ahead..

Great. Thanks. Maybe just following up on that question. Just trying to get a sense of as you guys incorporate more direct versus channel versus some of the revisions that were made to the partnerships earlier in the year to allow them to kind of sell direct.

Just is there a blend of the business where you feel you'd like to see a certain percentage come direct or certain percentage come through the channel, through partnerships just forms as a rough guide? And is there any kind of channel conflict that's kind of coming about just given some of the changes to the sales model? Thanks..

So this is a great question, Meta, and thanks for asking it. I'd say rather than talking about a blend, I think what we need to focus on is penetration of our offering across the market.

If you really look at UCaaS, we are the largest player, and we still have only about 10%, 12% market share in that space, which goes to show that there is a lot of upside in the market remains pretty fragmented. And if you look at CCaaS, it's a little bit more concentrated, but my overall comment is roughly the same.

There is lots of opportunities there for us to penetrate the CCaaS market with both our NICE inContact offering, but also our RingCX new offering, that was in controlled availability up to today and that we are ramping up in the upcoming days.

So if you also want to add to that, the international dimension, there is a lot that we can do internationally. Internationally, we are -- still at the beginning, I would say. Our international revenue as a percentage of total is only 10%.

And if you really think about the fabric of the European economy or the Asian markets, they rely on a different distribution mechanism and different distribution tiers.

Hence, the need for us to be ready capability-wise to go and penetrate those markets with a different set of capabilities, either on a direct basis or indirect basis with partners, and that is what we are focused on..

Great. Thanks..

The next question is from Siti Panigrahi with Mizuho. Please go ahead..

Thanks for taking my question. It's good to see the sequential growth now more than 3% in subscription revenue versus 1% we saw last two quarters.

So could you talk about what are the key drivers of that growth? Is it something upsell in enterprise? Or is it something churn stabilizing? What's driving that growth? And how sustainable or even we could expect any kind of improvement on that going forward?.

Look, I think -- so far, I would like to say that it's early days for me, but I'm pretty pleased with the progress we are making and the way we are executing so far, 9 months into the fiscal year. We are focused on finishing fiscal year '23 strong. And we have a whole quarter Q4 where we just started, and we have to continue to execute on it.

We feel pretty good about that. And we will, in doing so, focus on my five priorities, which is to continue to innovate and build a multiproduct business. This is top left, right and center, where Vlad is spending all his energy, boosting our multiproduct portfolio offerings.

This is really, really critical to fuel growth in both new customers and upselling to existing customers. We are also focused on driving deeper penetration into certain key verticals and customer segments. We are building partnerships. We are growing internationally. And yes, I have to keep an eye on productivity moving forward. So it's early days.

I like the way you put forward the growth. We feel that demand for UCaaS and CCaaS attach are -- is real. If you take integrated UCaaS, CCaaS as a whole, as a subset of the market, this is where we are playing, and this is the fastest growing portion of the market.

There are some competitive displacements, particularly when you look at subscale vendors losing share. There is a likely competitive intensity with Microsoft Teams. We are exploiting that competitive intensity with our Teams 2.0 plug-in, which we just rolled out and that is gaining quite some traction.

And we will continue also to target enterprise customers with this best-in-class integration. So there's a lot to unpack here, but I would say we are focused now on the very short term, which is to finish Q4 strong, and that is where all our energy is being focused on..

Thank you. The next question is from Matt VanVliet with BTIG. Please go ahead..

Hi, good afternoon. Thanks for taking the question. I wanted to dig in a little bit more on the plans for international growth.

How do you feel about your current headcount in a number of those markets? Do you need to build out more of a team from both either the direct or the channel enablement side? And then secondarily, with the stable partners you already have in place, do you feel like you can reach the goals you have? Or do you need to broaden that distribution network as well?.

So look, having run international businesses for a large chunk of my career, I think the way you decide to go in a particular new market is really a function of the economic fabric of that market and particularly true for softwares and services businesses like ours.

When you really look at, for example, in Europe, the weight of small and medium enterprises, which are our sweet spot. In Germany, it's about 87% of the GDP. In France, Italy and Spain, it's north of 90% of the GDP.

And therefore, if you think about how do you go and acquire these customers in these geographies, you really have to think what is the best method, the most effective method to ramp up your access with the various routes to market to these customer segments.

And I'd say that there is an opportunity there by going through partnerships, in particular, and we don't need to really build an extensive large direct sales force to capture share internationally. I think philosophically also, I'm not in favor of the approach that is about build and they will come.

We need to be very pragmatic here and leverage existing partners in the market because there is, in our view, a large opportunity for us to become the first global cloud provider with our offerings, whether these are MVPs or the new offerings that we are right now developing with Vlad and the team..

Great. Thank you..

The next question is from Terry Tillman with Truist. Please go ahead..

Great. Thanks for taking the questions. This is Bobby Dee on for Terry. Just one quick one for Tarek. Since being in the CEO slot, what do you think is most misunderstood about the story at this point? Thank you..

What is the least understanding point about RingCentral? I think I would say to you, look, not every UCaaS is created equal. And the strength of the foundation that we have built is that to stay. And the numbers do the talking. I mean just look at the ARPUs, you had Sonalee commenting on our ARPUs and where they stand, look at the number of seats.

We have more than 400,000 customers worldwide. We are growing faster than the rest of the UCaaS market. And even when you have, I would say, periods of economic uncertainty, there is a flight for quality in these circumstances. And we are seeing that, and we feel good about our position. Now of course, Vlad and I are not happy with just that.

We want to continue to dial up growth and expand our portfolio. And expanding our portfolio over a quality foundation is a lot easier, believe me, than to worry about the core. There is a lot that is going to be unlocked over the next few days.

We have telegraphed a -- if I take this opportunity, we have telegraphed a marketing event on November 14 to show that we are going to be expanding our core products of RingCX and Ring Events to become available generally or general availability.

And as you can see that our goal here is to build on the foundation that we have to emerge out of this period of economic uncertainty with strength, and this is why we are making all the investments we are making in innovation..

The next question is from Will Power with Baird. Please go ahead..

Great. Thank you. Tarek, I was curious in some of the comments on focusing on SMB, I know that's a heritage area for you all. Also, I think, often viewed as a more competitive area.

So maybe just a little more color on the rationale for kind of refocusing in some respects or focusing that much more on SMB? And where are the kind of the key investment opportunities? Are there any kind of areas of low-hanging fruit as you kind of evaluate that?.

So look, SMB has always been our sweet spot, and it's not that we are refocusing on SMB for the first time. Our SMB business is over $850 million. It is still growing at about 8%, which is much more than many of our competitors are growing overall. We have the leading UCaaS offering that is differentiated that is reliable with 99.99% availability.

We are rolling now out the RingCX and RingSense for sales. And we are seeing great traction, particularly for this segment of the market because for small and medium businesses, our new offerings are really around adding value to the businesses in question and making them more competitive over time.

And we feel there is a lot more to do and are confident about our position in that segment of the market..

Thank you..

The next question is from Ryan Koontz with Needham & Company. Please go ahead..

Hi, thanks. I want to ask about product mix a little bit. I know you can't give us exact metrics, but can you kind of reflect on what's transpired over the past year in terms of Contact Center upsell? Are you seeing more of a shift toward Contact Centers? It seems like it's got a little more durable growth, obviously, than the core UCaaS space.

And just as a follow-up on the Teams 2.0 opportunity, if you can give us any customer feedback you've had on that new product offering? Thanks..

Yes. Maybe I'll take that. Vlad here. Look, Contact Center is -- it's less penetrated than UCaaS. To be clear, UCaaS, UC to UCaaS is still relatively early even there as well. I mean, if you take our numbers and Microsoft's and Zooms' and put it all together, we are probably still easily under 20%.

But Contact Center, I would say, is earlier in that migration. Interestingly enough, Contact Center offers interesting opportunities in AI, and there are some puts and takes there.

So traditional contact center vendors who are relying on enabling agent seats, that could be a little bit of a headwind as there will be less reliance on humans and more reliance on virtual agents and bots.

But for people, who are innovating in the area and coming in from the perspective of an AI-first approach, and this crowd definitely includes ourselves, at this point, we are seeing this as a major tailwind to really take share. Contact Center tends to be yet more sticky than UCaaS. Those are more considered decisions generally.

And your question was over the last year. Look, we've seen a robust demand for contact centers and especially for contact center that's closely integrated with UCaaS solution. We saw that for a few years now via our white label offering of RingCentral Contact Center.

What we are seeing now is that there is, I would say, a renewed interest in AI-first approaches. And very importantly, in softwares that's more oriented towards self-service with easier and faster deployments.

And what we are seeing is even some of the larger deployments now and I think, in our prepared remarks, we shared that we have some literally Fortune 500 companies choosing RingCX, which, by the way, is only in controlled availability as we speak here now, but we're already seeing multi-thousand seat wins. Frankly, it's been a pleasant surprise.

We saw that it would skew lower. But for now, we are seeing good traction across the board and expect it to continue..

One thing I would just add there is that we are still seeing very, very strong UCaaS, CCaaS attach in our larger deals. So more than 60% of our $1 million plus TCV deals again included a CCaaS component, and we continue to grow well above the overall CCaaS market..

Got it. Sonalee, thank you..

The next question is from Tim Horan with Oppenheimer. Please go ahead..

Thanks, guys. I know the Microsoft Office Copilot was just launched, but have you had a chance to study it? And it seems like it opens like a dozen questions to you guys.

I guess is that a large improvement to their Teams? Does it make their ability to integrate UCaaS and CCaaS better? Does it improve your partnership? Or on and on, I mean, there's a ton of questions and one of the key questions is they're charging $30 a month for it. And I guess it's not really clear.

Are you saying you guys think you can charge for your AI over time? But I guess the most important question is what does Copilot meaning for the industry at this point?.

Right. Well, number one, you have to ask Microsoft, right? Look, we are not prepared yet to disclose additional details on RingCX pricing, stay tuned. It's coming soon. We do expect this pricing to be aggressive, if not disruptive. So I would just, again, urge a little bit of patience on that. Now having said this, we are not competing with Microsoft.

We are leveraging what Microsoft has. We are participating in the ecosystem that they're creating. We are both using core innovation from open AI and that the company is in our case, okay? And we certainly expect and building our product to be an open platform.

And again, not to preannounce anything, but expects that every innovation that Microsoft has that Microsoft chooses and decides to make open and interoperable with other platforms, we will be on that bandwagon, okay? So again, I would just say stay tuned.

And you can also assume just in closing that our early customers for RingCX that they are also well aware of other advances in the industry, including the Copilot and given what they know of our road map and what we have today and Microsoft, they're choosing to do business. So more to come..

Well, on that point, do you think Copilot is a major improvement on Teams?.

Look, look, it depends. I mean it's a great idea detail, right? I mean is, will it -- how accurate will it be? It's not just a price point, how accurate will it be? Will it or will it not hallucinate? And data is going to be trained and so forth. I'm not personally prepared to appoint one way or another. I do think that it's a really good idea.

It's a timely idea. It's an idea that makes sense, yes. Copilot is for during call, as Tarek said in ways that we classify things before, during and after. I can tell you that there is a lot of interest in the -- during the call experience enhancements, which Copilot addresses.

So when you have an agent online with the customer, getting real-time hints, data feeds, maybe even call scoring, all of the things that Microsoft is talking about, appointment making for that matter in real time. All of those are timely ideas. Customers are looking at it.

But it's very, very early and people are just in general, trying to figure out what to do with this new capability..

And we have time, I think, for one more question..

And that final question is from Michael Turrin with Wells Fargo. Please go ahead..

Hey, there. Appreciate you squeezing me on. Tarek, you had -- you commented in the prepared remarks around retention rates and is coming in below where you think the company is capable of.

Is there any way for us to just unpack how much of that is tied to macro and external factors versus just execution related opportunities you see and thinking about key contributors there? Are there any primary points of focus you'd point us towards? Thank you..

Yes. Thanks for asking this, and it's certainly a good way to finish up our conversation today. Look, our retention rate is around 100% in Q3. Really, what will take it upwards from here is a combination of factors. But going forward, we are really focused on upsell and customer retention to drive higher net retention.

And when you have a multiproduct portfolio, it does help tremendously the upsell sales motion because simply put, you have multiple conversations you can have with a single customers, right? And so our new products, RingCX, RingSense, our new Ring Events provide opportunities [technical difficulty] customers.

And by the way, when a customer buys more from you, then that customer is stickier over time, which helps also the net retention. So this is exactly the reason why we are innovating and to be able to capitalize on the opportunities of this new product portfolio.

We need to think differently in terms of our sales motions to help customers see the new products value. And therefore, this is going to be a journey over time. But I feel optimistic about the prospects of net retention in the long-term for RingCentral, given the -- how much emphasis we're placing on dialing up innovation with the team. Thank you..

This concludes our question-and-answer session, and the conference has also now concluded. Thank you for attending today's presentation. You may now disconnect..