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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2015 - Q3
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Executives

Loren Singletary - Vice President-Investor & Industry Relations Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer Jose A. Bayardo - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President.

Analysts

J. David Anderson - Barclays Capital, Inc. James Crandell - Cowen & Co. LLC William A. Herbert - Simmons & Company International Jeff Tillery - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc. Judson E. Bailey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC J. Marshall Adkins - Raymond James & Associates, Inc. William Sanchez - Scotia Howard Weil.

Operator

Good morning and welcome to the National Oilwell Varco Earnings Call. My name is Kevin, and I'll be your operator for today's call. At this time, all participants are in a listen-only mode. Later, we will conduct a question-and-answer session with instructions given at that time. I will now turn the call over to Mr.

Loren Singletary, Vice President, Investor & Industry Relations. Mr. Singletary, you may begin..

Loren Singletary - Vice President-Investor & Industry Relations

Thank you, Kevin. And welcome, everyone, to the National Oilwell Varco third quarter 2015 earnings conference call. With me today is Clay Williams, President, CEO and Chairman of National Oilwell Varco, and Jose Bayardo, our Senior Vice President and Chief Financial Officer.

Before we begin this discussion of National Oilwell Varco's financial results for its third quarter ended September 30, 2015, please note that some of the statements we make during this call may contain forecasts, projections and estimates including, but not limited to, comments about our outlook for the company's business.

These are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Federal Securities Laws based upon limited information as of today, which is subject to change. They are subject to risk and uncertainties, and actual results may differ materially.

No one should assume that these forward-looking statements remain valid later in the quarter or later in the year. I refer you to the latest Forms 10-K and 10-Q National Oilwell Varco has on file with the Securities and Exchange Commission for a more detailed discussion of the major risk factors affecting our business.

Further information in regarding these, as well as supplemental financial and operating information, may be found within our press release, on our website at www.nov.com, or in our filings with the SEC. Later on this call, we will answer your questions, which we ask you to limit to two in order to permit more participation.

Now let me turn the call over to Clay..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Argentina, the CIS, the Middle East, and we are aggressively pursuing these opportunities. We also know many North American drillers plan to continue to high-grade their fleets to AC Tier 1 capabilities once prosperity returns.

Orders in Rig Systems included land rigs for international markets and two jackup packages and were up modestly from the second quarter, resulting in an ending backlog of $8 billion for the group. We expect orders to remain low through 2016, with scheduled outflows from backlog will be in the $2.4 billion range.

Those are orders that are scheduled right now in the backlog. In certain instances, we continue to work with customers to systematically delay deliveries of rigs, which is improving our project margins as we are able to reduce overtime and source components more efficiently.

Brazilian rigs totaled $3 billion of the $8 billion in our September 30 backlog and accounted for only $53 million in revenues during the third quarter. As we reported previously, we have suspended or delayed work on certain of these 22 rigs.

Our shipyard customers who are continuing to work with their customers, Sete, to address overdue funding needs and future funding to move the projects forward. In the meantime, we are reducing costs in-country.

Within Rig Systems, third quarter revenues associated with new offshore rigs, both floaters and jackups, totaled $860 million or 26% of consolidated revenues during the third quarter.

While we expect some new specialized offshore rigs to be built by the industry over the next couple years and we are developing new designs and capabilities around these, we do not expect the level of building that we have seen over the past decade to resume for quite awhile.

Like many, we're awaiting an increase in scrapping of older units across the fleet, which seems inevitable at this point. Finally, I'm delighted to welcome our Chief Financial Officer, Jose Bayardo to our team. Many of you know Jose from his time at Complete Production Services and, more recently, at Continental Resources.

Let me turn it over to Jose to discuss our third quarter performance and outlook in more detail.

Jose?.

Jose A. Bayardo - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President

Thank you, Clay. It's great to be here with everyone this morning. Our Rig Systems segment generated revenue of $1.5 billion, down 23% from the $1.9 billion earned last quarter and down 44% from the $2.7 billion all-time high revenue generated from the segment in the third quarter of 2014.

Revenue out of backlog was $1.3 billion, down 24% sequentially, in-line with total revenue for the segment. Revenues declined as we continued to adjust our project schedules and manage output to navigate effectively through fewer orders of lower backlog and customer-requested delivery delays on certain projects.

For Q3, the split between offshore and land-related revenue was 78% and 22%, respectively. Operating profit, as adjusted per the reconciliations in our earnings release for the Rig Systems segment, was $275 million, yielding operating margins of 18.4%, down 210 basis points from Q2.

Decremental operating profit margins were 27.6% sequentially and 22% year-over-year. Low decremental margins demonstrate the effectiveness of our efforts to improve process efficiencies and resize the business to anticipated production levels.

EBITDA was $300 million or 20.1% of sales and EBITDA margins decreased 160 basis points compared to the second quarter of 2015. During the third quarter, we received $367 million in new orders, resulting in a book-to-bill of 28%.

Orders for the quarter were fairly evenly weighted across offshore and land and included two high-spec jackup drilling equipment packages and two 3,000 horsepower land rigs for the Middle East.

FX adjustments of $77 million resulted in quarter-ending backlog of $8 billion, down 11% sequentially, of which approximately 90% is offshore and 93% is destined for international markets. We expect orders to remain subdued as activity continues to decline on land and offshore and uncertainty regarding the timing of a recovery persists.

We are seeing some demand for a few jackups from NOCs. And while opportunities for floaters are generally scarce, meaningful conversations on 20kpsi floaters and other application-specific rigs continue.

As we move into the fourth quarter of 2015, we expect total Rig Systems revenue to decline approximately 10% into the $1.3 billion range and revenue out of backlog to decrease to about $1.1 billion, as we see reductions in new order activity work through existing projects and work with customers to accommodate certain requests to extend delivery dates.

Resizing the business to reflect market activity remains critical to margin preservation and we will continue to focus on cost reduction opportunities, including process, efficiencies, vendor pricing and facility consolidations to better align our resources with anticipated production levels.

That said, cost control will not be enough to fully offset the impact of lower volumes and we anticipate segment margins will decline into the mid-teens during the fourth quarter. Despite the current challenges and customer capital constraints, longer-term fundamentals remain solid for our Rig Systems segment.

Land rig customers continue to show a strong preference for rigs which utilize the latest technologies to most efficiently and precisely drill longer lateral wells from multi-well pads.

And offshore exploration and production companies are committed to utilizing new rigs and equipment that enhance their ability to more safely and economically access hydrocarbons in increasingly challenging environments.

NOV will continue to make long-term investments in the development of the best technological solutions that provide industry-leading quality and reliability to most effectively address the needs of our customers.

Our Rig Aftermarket segment generated revenues of $570 million during the third quarter of 2015, down 13% sequentially and down 32% year-over-year, driven by lower spare part sales as drilling contractors continue to focus on reducing their expenditures amid activity declines.

The reduction in spare part sales was partially offset by a slight increase in service-related work.

Despite the low-teens revenue decline, the segment maintained flat operating profit at $146 million, resulting in operating margins of 25.6%, a 350 basis point improvement sequentially due to effective cost controls and inventory charges incurred in the second quarter which did not repeat. EBITDA was $154 million or 27% of sales.

Consistent with the second quarter, land-related sales were approximately 22% of total segment revenues. Near-term, we expect the segment will continue to ebb and flow as our customers try to identify the bottom of this current cycle.

As we move into the fourth quarter, we believe the pick-up in service and repair revenue we have seen the last quarter of prior years will be much more modest this year, as uncertainty leads to more cautionary spending by our customers. However, we do anticipate Rig Aftermarket revenues will be up slightly in comparison to Q3.

Operating margins are expected to be similar to the third quarter, as increases resulting from incremental revenues will be offset by product mix. In our Rig businesses, we distinguish ourselves through service after the sale.

We are committed to the success of our customers and driven by a sense of urgency in maintaining and supporting our equipment and technology in the field. The capabilities of our global service network are unrivaled.

The mid to long-term outlook for the Rig Aftermarket segment remains bright and we anticipate sales will begin to improve as soon as customers work through their limited existing inventories of spare parts.

We also anticipate the improvement will accelerate once overall industry activity levels begin to increase, causing a rush to return sub-optimally maintained, stacked and partially cannibalized rigs to proper operating conditions.

For the third quarter of 2015, Wellbore Technologies segment generated revenues of $834 million, down 13% sequentially and down 43% compared to the third quarter of 2014.

Almost all business units within the segment were impacted by the overall decrease in drilling activity levels, with production-oriented businesses realizing slightly better performance.

Customer interest continues to grow in our technologically advanced products and services, which reduce drill times and lower operating costs, such as our Tectonic Drill Bits, ConneXion Drilling Performance Software and our SoftSpeed stick-slip prevention services.

One of our Tectonic Bits was recently paired with our HellCat Motor and Agitator drill system to drill a 2.5-mile long lateral in the Bakken in what we and our customer believe to be a record time of 4.5 days. Operating profit for the third quarter was $22 million or 2.6% of sales, down 230 basis points from last quarter.

Sequential decrementals were limited to 20.5% as we continue to focus on expense reduction and process efficiencies to develop a leaner cost structure for the business. Q3 EBITDA was $119 million, or 14.3% of revenue.

Looking into the fourth quarter of 2015, many of our North American customers are bracing for a further fall-off in activity during what they anticipate will be a prolonged year-end holiday slowdown.

Fewer rigs running will result in weaker demand for Wellbore Technologies' products and services, and we are seeing a new wave of pricing pressure which may offset our cost reduction efforts.

As such, we believe revenues in our Wellbore Technologies segment will decline in the mid to high-single percentage range, with decremental margins in the mid-20%s.

Longer term, we anticipate continued market share gains from our advanced products and services designed to enable the drilling of more complex, productive and safer wells at a faster rate, thereby enhancing the economics.

We believe our strategy to help our customers achieve their objectives succeeding and we will continue to invest in solutions our customers value today and which will further enhance our position for the eventual recovery.

Our Completions & Production Solutions segment generated revenues of $798 million for the third quarter 2015, down 9% sequentially and 33% compared to the third quarter of 2014.

Revenues declined across most businesses on lower backlogs and customers delaying pick-up of finished work, with some offset coming from higher sales of floating production-related equipment and flexible pipe.

We also saw increased coiled tubing sales, as our investments in placing tubing centers closer to our customers' operations enable us to provide better service. Operating profit for the segment was $63 million, resulting in operating margins of 7.9%, down 140 basis points sequentially and 750 basis points year-over-year.

Sequential decrementals were 24% and third quarter EBITDA for the segment was $117 million or 14.7% of sales. Operating margins were negatively impacted by volume, pricing pressure and product mix, but most cost control initiatives helped to offset some of the margin decline, resulting in improved decrementals versus prior quarters.

Turning to our capital equipment orders and resulting backlog for the Completion & Production Solutions, the third quarter saw a much improved order intake of $467 million.

That's an increase of $212 million or 83% sequentially, led by improved bookings for floating production-related equipment and fiberglass pipe, as well as a large order for subsea flexible pipe. We recognized $472 million of revenue out of backlog, resulting in a book-to-bill of 99%.

Of the $1.2 billion backlog at quarter-end, approximately 76% is offshore and 86% is international. As we move into the fourth quarter, we anticipate demand for new pressure pumping and coiled tubing units, especially in North America, will remain low.

While customer interest remains elevated for NOV's more cost-effective solutions in the FPSO space, near-term we anticipate a general slowing in prospect development due to the current commodity price environment.

We believe revenues will decrease by a mid-single digit percentage, and expect revenue out of backlog to remain in the $450 million to $470 million range. Margins should move down slightly on lower volumes. Now let's discuss some additional detail regarding our consolidated financial statements.

Working down the Consolidated Statement of Income for the third quarter, gross margin declined 110 basis points to 21.2%. SG&A decreased 15% or $63 million sequentially due to cost reductions and was 10.7% of revenue.

Other items of $112 million for the quarter resulted primarily from a $55 million pre-tax intangible asset impairment as well as a $57 million pre-tax charges associated with severance, facility closures and other costs.

Equity income fell to breakeven as demand for OCTGs, or Green Tube, associated with our Voest-Alpine joint venture remains muted, given the low demand for new drillpipe.

Other expense for the quarter decreased $10 million sequentially to $20 million, due primarily to a reduction in foreign exchange-related losses relative to the second quarter of 2015. The effective tax rate for the third quarter was 18.8%, down from the 26.9% rate posted in the second quarter of 2015.

Excluding the impact of our $112 million in other items, the effective tax rate would have been approximately 24%, reflective of a continuing high mix of income from low-rate foreign jurisdictions. EBITDA for the third quarter excluding other items was $511 million or 15.5% of sales.

Turning to the balance sheet; working capital excluding cash and debt totaled $5.9 billion at September 30, 2015, down $206 million or 3% sequentially.

The decrease in working capital was primarily the result of a $222 million reduction in inventory levels, a $151 million reduction in accounts receivable, an $88 million increase in accrued taxes and a $10 million decrease in customer financings, which is the net of prepayments and billings in excess of costs against costs in excess of billings.

The reductions in working capital were partially offset by decreases in accrued liabilities and accounts payable.

While we were pleased to see total working capital decrease and we anticipate the pace of cash flow generation from working capital will increase as we move forward, we continue to manage several items impacting our efforts to reduce the capital employed in our business, including in-sourcing of machining hours, which increases our inventory by bringing in raw materials which otherwise would have been held by third-party vendors, customers looking to delay equipment deliveries and extend payment terms and our Rig Systems backlog and its associated customer financings.

Regarding the financings, as projects approach their completion, we do anticipate the spread between prepayments and costs in excess of billings to narrow, further contributing to a future reduction in working capital. For the quarter, the company generated $410 million in cash flow from operations.

Offsetting this cash flow were share repurchases of $444 million, dividend payments of $174 million, investments in our business of $124 million and FX impact on our cash balances and other items totaling $44 million. The net impact of our cash flow for the quarter was a $376 million increase in net debt.

However, total debt decreased $322 million, as we successfully repatriated $1.1 billion to the U.S. We ended the quarter with a cash balance of $1.8 billion, $4 billion in debt and our net to debt capitalization was 11.8%.

While we remain focused on managing costs and improving efficiencies, we believe the strength of our enterprise uniquely positions NOV to capitalize on compelling acquisition opportunities that will emerge in this downturn and to continue investing in the development of technologies that will help our customers improve their economics.

With that, we'd like to turn it open to questions..

Operator

Thank you. We will now begin the question-and-answer session. We ask that you please limit yourself to one question and one follow-up. Our first question comes from David Anderson of Barclays..

J. David Anderson - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Great, thanks. So, Clay, I was struck by the commentary. You said extraordinary opportunities rising from this downturn. Can you help me understand a little bit of how you're thinking about this? You have a lot of product lines out there.

Are you talking about adding new product lines or do they expand out the current ones? And I guess I'm also wondering, are you willing to look outside of the traditional upstream oil and gas market, or do you see other opportunities potentially emerging, say maybe midstream, downstream or maybe even industrials?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, David, I'm going to stay away from getting too specific, but I will tell you we take a pretty broad view and look both at enhancing our existing product lines. We report four reporting segments and those are comprised really of 15 business units that make those up.

And I would say all 15 we continually look for opportunities to enhance and expand. And then beyond that, the great thing about oilfield services is it's composed of dozens and dozens and dozens of interesting subsectors. And so we're continually looking across those for opportunities to deploy capital and develop our business.

We also have some great industrial product lines and businesses in markets that we serve. Usually those are characterized by some sort of overlapping competence that that we have in the oilfield. We make a product, for instance, if the oilfield needs it, it also goes into other industrial segments.

So usually there is some sort of overlap or synergy that's embedded in those sort of opportunities. But, yeah, we're taking a very expansive view. The reason for the comments obviously is a lot of parts of – well, really all parts of oilfield services and manufacturing are under stress in the current environment and landscape shifting.

And so at the low points in the cycle is where we frequently see the best opportunities. And as you know, we have a long history of executing acquisitions. And both National Oilwell and Varco came out of private equity roots.

And through the years, between our two organizations, we came together about 10 years ago, we've done probably in excess of 300 transactions. So this is becoming a buyer's market and we're pretty excited about that..

J. David Anderson - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Now, Clay, you mentioned three smaller acquisitions during the quarter. Can you just help us understand a little bit where those fit in? Obviously, you didn't announce any numbers here behind it.

But just maybe just more qualitatively what these businesses are?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, actually it was four, David. And they are between our Wellbore Technologies and our Completion & Production Solutions; both those segments picked up smaller deals. And these are the sort of bolt-on things that we do continuously here.

I think in last quarter I mentioned we had a half dozen or so Letters of Intent out there, and this was a completion of four of those. And we still have a number of smaller things that we're looking at. But as we move into this kind of market, we're looking at some larger things and really looking across the board..

J. David Anderson - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Great. And I guess a follow-up would be on your cost initiatives and some of the internal stuff that you're doing there. You've talked in the past about pulling in-house some of – I think actually Jose even mentioned this, about pulling some of your outsourced manufacturing. I think you have said something like 52% was outsourced before.

Can you tell me where you stand on that front? And I guess also secondarily, we're hearing from some of the subsea guys that forging costs are not really coming down because of strengths in other markets.

Are you faced with that same issue that maybe you can't squeeze as much out of your suppliers as you're hoping to?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, we do have sort of an outsourcing model. Basically we recognized all of the things that we manufacture serve cyclical industries, so demand rises and falls. So we're trying to avoid scaling up to internally manage peak demand. And over the past few years, a number of our business units have done more outsourcing.

So as you go with the other way and things sort of cycle down, we really try to bring more in house, keep our core teams busy. And we're doing that, moving machining hours to our plants. As Jose mentioned, that takes a little more inventory to accomplish. On the steel cost front, it varies by product line.

We've seen dramatic deflation in pipe prices, for instance. On castings and forgings, yeah, I think we're seeing the same thing others are, which is a little less deflation. But really across the entire supplier network, we're pressing for lower pricing and continually trying to become more efficient..

J. David Anderson - Barclays Capital, Inc.

Thanks, Clay..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thanks, David..

Operator

Our next question comes from Jim Crandell with Cowen..

James Crandell - Cowen & Co. LLC

Good morning. And congratulations, Jose, on joining NOV..

Jose A. Bayardo - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President

Thank you. It's great to be here..

James Crandell - Cowen & Co. LLC

Clay, how do you see your non-Rig Systems business trending in the first half of the year if oil prices remain where they are today?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, Jim, like a lot of companies, moving into the fourth quarter, we're doing more detailed planning around what 2016 is going to look like. And we always reach out to our customers to get their guidance. And what we're finding is they don't know what they're going to spend.

So generally, though I think the first part of 2016 is going to continue to be really challenging and, as I said in my prepared remarks, our expectation is activity is going to trend lower.

I think like everybody in this industry that we remain hopeful we'll get a little bit of commodity price help and relief and then maybe in the second half of the year we start to see maybe some activity pick up a little bit. But I don't have a lot of data to point to this as to why that would happen.

Jose and I were chatting earlier and, Jose, you mentioned the fact that producers come under a lot of pressure when they start facing production declines. And so I think there'll be an impetus, at least across North America, to get back to drilling as soon as they can. Of course, that will take a while.

A lot of the equipment that's out there has been depleted of spare parts and cannibalized. And so a little bit of uptick in activity is going to take a lot of work from NOV, so we're looking forward to that time..

James Crandell - Cowen & Co. LLC

Okay.

Follow-up, Clay, is in your Wellbore Technologies group, is Grant Prideco falling off meaningfully more steeply than your other businesses there? And is that a business where just because of the nature and its exposure to new rigs, a business that's going to continue – or will fall off at a greater than average rate?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, that business is certainly under a lot of pressure. And the management team there has done a great job scaling back to match the market and holding as best they can. But, yeah, that's our business that makes drillpipe, for the rest of you.

And what we see is particularly onshore operators moving drillpipe off of idled rigs and moving that onto the rigs that remain working. It's a little more challenging offshore. It's expensive to demobilize a string of pipe off of an offshore rig. And so a little less impacted from cannibalization there, but certainly onshore that's impacted them.

The good news is is that their mix has improved. We're the market leader in terms of providing premium connections of high-tensile strength pipe, set new records in places like Sukkwan Island in terms of extended-reach drilling, out seven miles, eight miles.

And really, broadly speaking, you step back and view the demand for drillpipe, a lot of technology in drillpipe. And drillpipe is consumed at a much faster rate when it's used to drill these horizontal wells, these long patterns (40:43) that are really making the shale plays go. So, yeah, we're in this period when demand is down.

The team has done a great job. They're managing through it. But once we recover, I think the shale phenomenon is going to continue to consume more and more drillpipe that we make..

James Crandell - Cowen & Co. LLC

Great. Okay. Thanks, Clay..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yep..

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Herbert with Simmons & Company..

William A. Herbert - Simmons & Company International

Thank you. Good morning.

Hey, Clay, to clarify, did you prophecy or guide for Rig Systems revenue out of backlog in 2016 at $2.4 billion?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, that is out of the $8 billion that we currently have in our backlog, that's things that are scheduled to flow out in 2016 without benefit of orders that we will continue to win in the fourth quarter and into the first part of 2016, Bill..

William A. Herbert - Simmons & Company International

Got that. Thank you. And then back to your use of the term extraordinary, and I'll ask the question a little bit differently. I understand that that encompasses the prospect of enhancing existing product lines, but really what I'm most interested in is you're extolling the attractive economic propositions given the adjustment in price.

But I'm also curious as to what's the subset of opportunities that you're looking at which are really transformational to NOV and whether or not they at least potentially fundamentally redefine National Oilwell Varco if your aspirations are consummated? And adding to that, does this entail significantly increased service content? Does it entail possibly significantly increased non-energy exposure? I'm just curious as to how expansive your view is..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, you want stock symbols alphabetically?.

William A. Herbert - Simmons & Company International

Yeah, please. Thank you. And also price, too..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Well, Bill, I know you'll appreciate if I don't precisely give a roadmap in terms of what we're thinking over here. And I tried to touch on this in my opening remarks, the principles that we apply. Since I've been with the company, we've grown from two business units to 15.

And I'll reiterate, we take a broad view across oilfield services and look for opportunities to deploy capital and develop strategies around things. I'll go back a couple years and give you a real-world example. We launched an FPSO initiative about four years or five years ago.

And I'll just point out, this was long before anybody was talking about standardization, about industrial efficient supply chain, when we were sort of a lone voice on this subject. But we recognized NOV has built and installed and commissioned 300 complicated offshore rigs. We've worked with every major shipyard out there.

We've got great project management expertise, great relationships with every major shipyard around the globe, and these same shipyards where customers are very challenged when it comes to building FPSO vessels on time, on budget.

Plus, when we looked at our portfolio of product offerings between hose reel systems, offloading systems, cranes, composite piping, production chokes and valves and manifolds and other things, we had a lot of content on FPSOs.

So we've cultivated an FPSO strategy and said, we're uniquely positioned in terms of our shipyard expertise to execute a strategy of improving FPSO construction, bringing more industrially elegant solutions to the supply chain, again, simplifying, the things you're hearing a lot more of lately to reduce cost and risk around FPSO construction.

And NOV is uniquely positioned with regards to a vessel strategy in the deepwater.

And then we've supplemented that with acquisitions along the way, including APL turret mooring systems, one of the three global providers of turret mooring systems in swivel stack technologies, with NKT Flexibles, which is NOV Flexibles, one of the three global providers of flexible pipe, a big component of SURF packages that fit this strategy.

So that's an example of where we're deploying capital to execute a strategy that I think has positioned us to be transformative in a significant sector in oilfield services, and thereby reduce costs for our customers. So that's an example of the kind of things that we're looking at.

And so suffice to say in a cyclical downturn, we're continuing to look for other opportunities to deploy capital and develop businesses..

William A. Herbert - Simmons & Company International

All right. Thank you..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

You bet. Thank you, Bill..

Operator

Our next question comes from Jeff Tillery with Tudor, Pickering, Holt..

Jeff Tillery - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc.

Good morning..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Hi, Jeff..

Jose A. Bayardo - Chief Financial Officer & Senior Vice President

Morning..

Jeff Tillery - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc.

Clay, it's a relatively broad question, but as you look at the relatively short-cycle businesses that you have and obviously the customers are consuming what they have, but could you just walk us through what you perceive to be the customer inventories in terms of when we ultimately do see an uptick in activity, whether it be spare parts for rigs or some of the consumables in the other product lines, how much of a lag before you think your business starts to improve?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, it's a great question, Jeff. And unfortunately it's driven by rig count and really the inverse of rig count, which are stacked rigs, because the stacked rigs, as activity goes down, then it frees up a string of drillpipe, it frees up the downhole tools that otherwise would be working on that working rig.

And so it's very fluid and very difficult to tell, frankly, until we hit bottom on activity and we see a little time pass beyond that. Very difficult to tell where that's going to lie. We're seeing customers be far more aggressive I think in this downturn with regards to cannibalizing their equipment, about repositioning it.

If they have a particular piece of equipment in a different region, there's a cost to repositioning that; there's freight, there's – they have to invest in that just to move it and maybe to get it back to working order.

And we're seeing customers go to more extraordinary lengths I think in this downturn than we have in the preceding couple of downturns with regards to cannibalization. So there is a very, very Darwinian, very Draconian move to preserve cash and use what's on hand. And so we're seeing that.

We do know it will turn around and when it does, one day the phones will light up and people will all of a sudden need it yesterday. And so that's the other side of this. But at this point, we don't know when that's going to occur..

Jeff Tillery - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc.

Okay. That's helpful context. As I think about the Rig Systems business as we progress through the next year or so, there will continue to be some volumetric pressure. And some of the offsetting factors are your ability to do more in-house. I mean, how do you think about the floor and margins? Not looking for a single quarter.

But at the top of the cycle, is that a business that can sustain low-teens operating margins do you think?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, first, I have a lot of confidence in our management team there to manage through this. They have a done great job along the way. Second, as I mentioned, we have sort of an outsourcing model in good times and they're doing a great job scaling back our outside suppliers about insourcing more and managing to the volume that's out there.

Third, as backlog moves down, there's more flexibility that opens up with regards to steps that they can take. Absorption does become harder I think from here on out. And then, fourth, I think the wildcard out there remains pricing to some degree – where that lands. So it's very difficult I think.

If you were looking to throw a margin number or range out there right now other than, as I said many times before, we're going to manage what we can and manage to the market. It might be helpful, too, to point out that our global network within Rig of plants and facilities really serve both Rig Systems and Rig Aftermarket.

The same plants that make components for rigs also makes spare parts and these components are used both offshore and on land.

And between Rig Aftermarket continuing demand and ongoing work and ongoing demand for components to replace things that are worn out and replace things that are burned up, to upgrade rigs even in the downturn; you're going to see rigs that need to upgrade certain components in order to qualify for certain work.

I think we can keep a decent load on our plants and our core team through that, so that's what we're shifting to as new builds slow down a little bit.

The other part that I'm probably more optimistic about in terms of demand in Rig is we know a number of drilling contractors in North America and around the globe who are completely bought into the idea and the need to upgrade their fleets to AC technology.

This is clearly where the market is going and so I think in terms of recovery, that's where we would see it next..

Jeff Tillery - Tudor, Pickering, Holt & Co. Securities, Inc.

All right. Thank you very much..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Thank you..

Loren Singletary - Vice President-Investor & Industry Relations

Thanks, Jeff..

Operator

Our next question comes from Jud Bailey with Wells Fargo..

Judson E. Bailey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Thank you. Good morning. I wanted to follow up on the comment on revenue out of backlog and try to dig a little deeper in that, if I could.

Could you tell us, does that number include any revenues from Brazil-related projects or does that exclude anything from SA (51:17)?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Minimal revenue out of Brazil..

Judson E. Bailey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Okay.

And in helping us think about book-in-turn for the year, what was that number a year ago, to help us calibrate how to think about your revenue out of backlog as we go through next year? Do you have that?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

I don't have that at my fingertips, Jud. But, yeah, right now based on what we have on the books, that's what we foresee..

Judson E. Bailey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Okay. All right, that's fair. And then my follow-up question is on Rig Aftermarket. I wanted to just follow up. You said Aftermarket would be up slightly in the fourth quarter.

And I may have missed, what exactly is driving the uptick in the fourth quarter for Aftermarket?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

There's usually some seasonality in Aftermarket, a little bit in Q4, one. Two, we're seeing rising inquiries around stacking service and equipment things, and then some specific SPS things that are happening out there that we're working on. So that's what gives rise to our outlook for Rig Aftermarket..

Judson E. Bailey - Wells Fargo Securities LLC

Okay..

Operator

Our next question comes from Marshall Adkins with Raymond James..

J. Marshall Adkins - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Good morning, guys. I want to come back to the margin thing. I think we're all surprised at how good a job you all did at holding up margins. In the commentary you've given so far today, it sounds like, at least on Rig Systems and Aftermarket you think that the margins will be fairly resilient. Is that....

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes..

J. Marshall Adkins - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Am I reading that correctly?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yes, yeah. And, again, we pulled up from quantifying that, but....

J. Marshall Adkins - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Right, right..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

But high level of outsourcing, the flexibility opening up there and we've got a great team there working on that question..

J. Marshall Adkins - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Subject to a few things, one of those you included was pricing.

I assume pricing is holding up fairly well?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

I would say everything we do is under pricing pressure, Marshall..

J. Marshall Adkins - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Okay. A last one from me. Your orders in Rig Systems are a little higher than I thought they would be given the current commodity environment.

What are floater people ordering right now?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

We're still seeing interest out there, mostly from international markets, mostly from drilling contractors that are working closely with national oil companies. And I think this quarter was around half land, half offshore. But even in the worst of times, there is an ongoing level of demand for components for rigs.

Things burn up, they break, they have to be replaced, they have to be upgraded. And so that hits a pause when you first hit a downturn and customers will look at pulling off of other rigs. And we're certainly seeing that. But rigs are working. And as I said in my comments, when they work, they consume mechanical components.

So, that's what we're seeing out there..

J. Marshall Adkins - Raymond James & Associates, Inc.

Good stuff. Thanks, guys..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

You bet. Thank you, Marshall..

Loren Singletary - Vice President-Investor & Industry Relations

Thanks..

Operator

Our next question comes from Bill Sanchez with Howard Weil..

William Sanchez - Scotia Howard Weil

Thanks. Good morning..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Hey, Bill..

William Sanchez - Scotia Howard Weil

Good morning, Clay. Good morning, all. I know you all dedicated some time in terms of just the revenue out of backlog number, Clay, for next year, $2.4 billion. I was just curious if you could help us.

Could you maybe talk about given the deliveries you've seen push the right, maybe just how much revenue maybe you've had slide here that you thought you would've booked in 2016 out a backlog that's now moved into 2017? And I guess, given that, is it too early for you guys to have a 2017 number in terms of revenue from backlog?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Yeah, well, what that encompasses is, as we said over the last couple of calls, we've worked with our customers to push certain deliveries out and you've seen some announcement. So this is the latest estimate including all of those shifts. And as I just said, it includes pushing out a lot of Brazilian revenue as well.

And so it's the latest and greatest. We're continuing to work this. It remains a little bit fluid, but this is what we're looking at right now..

William Sanchez - Scotia Howard Weil

Got you. And it didn't sound like anything in terms of the terms in which you agreed to with these customers, nothing's really changed on these delayed deliveries.

Is that fair?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Well, no, no, no, and I would add, there's a little bit of upside. I don't want to overstate this, but we're picking up incremental maintenance work around this equipment. If it's going to be in a shipyard for an extra 12 months, then it needs some OEM maintenance and care, extension of warrantees, those sorts of things.

So we're being compensated for this. And then operationally, the added benefit is that we're able to execute these projects at lower cost and better margins.

And specifically, if we slow down the pace of work on some of these, then we're able to avoid overtime, for instance, we're able to execute these with the best part of our supply chain, our top-tier suppliers and the like. So, that's the benefit for NOV..

William Sanchez - Scotia Howard Weil

Great. One more, Clay, if I could ask, for you. As far as the buyback is concerned, you finished that up. You've talked about a focus on M&A, but that really being more of a 2016 event it sounds like, just given the bid/ask spreads out there right now.

Was there any thought or is the board going to reexamine a new authorization here and possibly seeing some repurchases take place in 4Q? Or is the buyback for now just shelved?.

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

The recommendation from management – we're going to be talking about this with our board here through the fourth quarter, but I really want to really be focused on M&A. We're fortunate to have both I think as attractive applications of capital and we can always put a buyback back in.

But I think given the emerging things that we're seeing in the M&A space, as we said in our opening comments, that's probably a better use of our capital right now. So if that starts to diminish a little bit, if we feel like we're not going to get bids and asks to converge, then we can go back to buying back shares.

But I would say here I think we're going to see more attractive opportunities emerge in the M&A space..

William Sanchez - Scotia Howard Weil

I appreciate the time..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

You bet. Bye-bye..

Loren Singletary - Vice President-Investor & Industry Relations

Thanks, Bill..

Operator

Ladies and gentlemen, this does conclude today's question-and-answer session. I would now like to turn the call back over to Mr. Williams for closing remarks..

Clay C. Williams - Chairman, President & Chief Executive Officer

Again, we really appreciate you joining us this morning. And I look forward to speaking to you in February 2016. Thank you very much..

Operator

Thank you, ladies and gentlemen. This concludes today's conference. Thank you for your participation. You may now disconnect..

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