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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2017 - Q3
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Executives

Ari Danes - SVP, IR Doc O'Connor - President & CEO Donna Coleman - EVP & CFO.

Analysts

David Karnovsky - JPMorgan Brandon Ross - BTIG Brian Goldberg - Bank of America David Miller - Loop Capital Amy Young - Macquarie John Bolton - Evercore ISI.

Operator

Good morning, my name is Christy, and I will be your conference operator today. At this time, I would like to welcome everyone to Madison Square Garden Company Fiscal 2017 Third Quarter Earnings Conference Call.

All lines have been placed on mute to prevent any background noise, after the speakers remarks there will be a question and answer session [Operator Instructions]. Thank you, I'd now like to turn the call over to Ari Danes, Senior Vice President of Investors Relations for the Madison Square Garden Company. Please go ahead, sir..

Ari Danes Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Treasury

Thanks Christy, good morning and welcome to the Madison Square Garden Company's fiscal 2017, third quarter earnings conference call. Our President and CEO, Doc O'Connor will begin this morning's call with a discussion of the Company's operations.

This will be followed by a review of our financial results with Donna Coleman, our EVP and Chief Financial Officer. After our prepared remarks, we will open up the call for questions. If you do not have a copy of today's earnings release, it is available in the investors section of our corporate website. Please take note of the following.

Today's discussion may contain statements that constitute forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Investors are cautioned that any such forward-looking statements are not guarantees of future performance or results and involve risks and uncertainties.

And that actual results, developments and events may differ materially from those in the forward-looking statements as a result of various factors. These include financial community perceptions of the company and its business, operations, financial condition and the industry in which it operates.

As well as the factors described in the Company's filings with the Securities and Exchange Commission, including the sections entitled Risk Factors and Management's Discussion and Analysis of Financial Condition and Results of Operations, contained therein.

The company disclaims any obligation to update any forward-looking statements that may be discussed during this call. Lastly, on Page 4 of today's earnings release, we provide consolidated and combined statements of operations and a reconciliation of operating income to adjusted operating income.

I would like now introduce Doc O'Connor, President and CEO of the Madison Square Garden Company..

Doc O'Connor

Thank you Ari, and good morning everyone. For the fiscal 2017 third quarter we again generated strong top line and adjusted operating income growth, a reflection of our continued ability to deliver exceptional life experiences for our customers and partners.

As we look ahead, we see compelling opportunity to drive growth by more efficiently and effectively, harnessing the strength of our lives forts and entertainment assets and brands.

Improving our live entertainment experience, by attracting not only more events but also higher quality events, remains a priority and benefits the company in several ways, this includes enhancing the value we deliver to our customers, marketing partners and Suite holders as well as enabling operational efficiencies, such as leveraging our fixed cost base across an increasing number of events.

To lead this effort going forward, we recently named Darren Pfeiffer, Executive Vice President of MSG. live there and will join us after spending the last two decades at media and entertainment company I-heart media.

In MSG Darren will be tasked with exploring new opportunities to develop signature events, artist residencies and unique experiences for our customers, while building upon the success we've had in attracting a wide variety of premium entertainment events to our venues.

For our fiscal third quarter, we had particular success in bringing popular family shows to a number of our venues including the forum, the theater at Madison Square Garden and the Chicago Theater, while we once again benefited from an increase in the overall number of concerts held at our venues.

In fact, we've increased the overall number of concerts every quarter since becoming a standalone public company, reflecting a healthy concert industry, the strengths of our venues and markets and our continued emphasis on growing our multi night and multi venue engagements.

In our third quarter, our multi night shows which increased 45% year-over-year, represented nearly half of all concerts held at our venues and included the Red Hot Chili Peppers, The Lumineers and Eric Clapton, as well as our resident artists Billy Joel and Jerry Seinfeld, who recently announced that he has extended his sold out residency at the Beacon Theater through December 2017.

We also had an over 20% increase in multi-venue shows hosting artists at more than one of our venues in New York, Los Angeles, Chicago and Boston. For the third quarter highlights included Ariana Grande de, Wilco, Kings of Leon and Panic at the Disco.

In addition to strong entertaining bookings this past quarter we hosted several Marquee sporting events including the NCAA basketball East Regional finals which returned to The Garden for the second time in four years. The world's most but famous arena also welcomed the BNP Paribas Showdown for the 10th year in a row.

Championship boxing, as Gennady Golovkin successfully defended his Championship titles against Daniel Jacobs and the Big East Tournament for this 35th consecutive year. And last month we are proud to have Radio City Music Hall hosts the opening and closing events at the Tribeca Film Festival which for its 16th edition included a new experience.

Tribeca Games which brought together New York City's passionate gaming community to talk about the current, the future state of video games. Another priority for the company has been to grow our portfolio of premium live experiences through adjacencies that offer strong potential and sit with our core competencies.

Last year we purchased a controlling stake in Boston Calling event which owns and operates New England's premier music festival Boston Calling. The festival will take place this month over Memorial Day weekend at the Harvard Athletic Complex, a new location that significantly expands the festival's capacity and content offerings.

Tool, Mumford and Sons and Chance the Rapper will headline the three-day event which this year will welcome 45 music acts. The festival will also feature a brand new comedy experience with 13 performances by standout comics.

For this year's event Boston Calling has attractive as long strong slate of sponsors which includes MSG's signature partner Delta Airlines along with Miller Lite, Samuel Adams, Extenity, Subaru of New England, Dark Horse Kind and 47 brands. We look forward to the festival which will be a great event for a great city.

Another key investment for the company is our acquisition of a majority interest in TAO Group. As we discussed last quarter we believe this live entertainment dining and night-life company has meaningful growth potential as the company pursues additional venue opportunities both domestically and internationally.

TAO Group kicked off its venue expansion plans opening for impressive new venues in Los Angeles over the last two months with the fifth avenue on the way which will bring its current total to 24. This marks TAO group's first foray into the Los Angeles market with a live entertainment and dining hub located in L.A.

that is now home to TAO, Avenue Beauty & Essex and a new restaurant concept Zukini Pizzeria and bar as well as the highlight room at the Dream Hotel which will open shortly. There's been significant excitement around these new venues as to TAO Group proves once again that no one does premium hospitality experiences better.

TAO Group is currently in contract to open nine more venues in New York, Chicago and Singapore which will bring its total to 33.

In addition to benefiting from TAO Group's expansion plans we are continuing to explore other opportunities including the creation of premium packaging opportunities using both TAO Group and MSG venues in markets where we overlap.

We also look forward to utilizing their expertise in premium hospitality to create new and innovative experiences that can be integrated across MSG's portfolio of live offerings. This will be especially important as we continue to pursue our venue expansion plans which is the centerpiece of our investment strategy.

As you know last year we announced that we are partnering with Las Vegas Sands to bring a groundbreaking new venue to Las Vegas. As we continue to make progress on our plans we are confident that we will create an iconic structure that will transform the Las Vegas Skyline.

Our goal is to employ technologies that redefine the limits of connectivity, video, acoustics and content distribution.

Through these next generation technologies we'll create entirely new and immersive experiences that enable a much broader community of people to engage and connect in ways they never thought possible; truly transforming how we think about life experiences.

And as we move forward this will become our motto for the venue of the future which we intend to replicate in other markets.

Turning to our sports franchises; we were obviously disappointed with the outcome of the next season and continue to work towards building a stronger franchise for the benefit of teams, loyal fan base which continued to fill The Garden all season long.

The Rangers are also known for their passionate and loyal fans to this season watched a team qualify for the playoffs for the 11th time in the last 12 years. After an exciting six game first round series against the Montreal Canadians the Rangers are now in the midst of a second round series against the Ottawa Senators.

The Liberty, led by two time Olympic gold medalist Tina Charles returns following two consecutive years of finishing at the top of the Eastern Conference and is now gearing up for their 21st season with the team's home opener on May 13th against the San Antonio stars.

The unique value of our live professional sports content was highlighted this quarter by a significant overall increase in media rights revenues. With another 18 years to go in our agreements with MSG networks the NBA's national TV deal running through the 24-25 seasons and the NHL's national deal running through the 20-21 season.

These media rights agreements represent a significant predictable and growing source of revenue for our company. While third quarter growth at our sports segment was led by the increase in media rights revenue, we also generated broad based growth across all other sports revenue lines; most notably in ticket, sponsorship and signage.

With the Knicks and Rangers regular seasons now complete we are pleased with the results of our new ticketing policies as we were able to reduce full season subscriptions and increased sales of partial plans as well as group in individual ticket. While our teams play to at or near capacity crowds at The Garden all season long.

We look forward to building on this success as we plan to thoughtfully increase the sale of smaller ticket packages again next season which should continue to positively impact revenues while enabling us to further broaden our fan base.

On the sponsorship and signage front, we delivered solid growth for the third quarter and remain on track for another record year for our marketing partnership group. As we discussed previously, we've gotten off to a terrific start in renewing our signature marketing partnerships with expanded multi-year deals with Lexus and Anheuser-Busch.

I'm pleased to report that we are making progress towards new agreements with two additional signature partners and hope to have more to say in the months ahead.

We also continue to make progress on new agreements for those events Lexus and signature levels suite products that come up for renewal in fiscal 2018 as we work towards new multi-year deals that have solid built in annual escalators.

In summary, we're pleased with how fiscal 2017 is unfolding with regard to both the growth of our core operations and the strategic expansion of our live experience offerings and remain confident that the company is well positioned to drive attractive long term growth and asset value creation for our shareholders.

With that, I'll now turn the call over to Donna who'll take you through our financial results..

Donna Coleman

Thank you, Doc and good morning everyone. I'd like to start by going through fiscal 2017 third quarter results as compared to the prior year period.

For the fiscal 2017 third quarter the company generated total revenues of $386 million, an increase of 15% and adjusted operating income of $43.6 million as compared to an adjusted operating loss of $23.8 million in the year ago quarter.

Excluding the impact of $15.5 million in nonrecurring NHL expansion fee revenue in the current year quarter as well as a $41.8 million write off recorded in the year ago quarter. The company generated $370.5 million in revenue, an increase of 10% and AOI of $28.1 million, an increase of 56%.

At MSG Entertainment, third quarter revenues were $77.3 million, an increase of 6%. This improvement was primarily due to higher overall event-related revenues led by an increase in the number of events held at the theatre at Madison Square Garden, the Chicago Theater and performance.

Excluding the impact of the $41.8 million write off in the year ago quarter, MSG Entertainment fiscal 2017 third quarter adjusted operating loss of $1.5 million improved by $10.1 million dollars. This improvement was primarily due to higher overall that event-related contribution at our venue.

Lower SG&A expense and higher contribution from the Christmas Spectacular Production, as the decrease in cost of the show outpaced a slight revenue decline due to fewer schedule shows in the quarter.

At MSG sports third quarter revenues were $308.7 million, an increase of 17% or up 12% excluding the $15.5 million in nonrecurring NHL expansion fee revenue. The 12% increase was led by higher league distributions which reflected the impact of the NBA's new national media rights deals.

We also delivered higher professional sports teams ticket related revenue mainly due to higher average per game revenue. The increase in average per game revenue reflects higher average season ticket prices and the impact of the change in Knicks due to fewer full season packages and more partial season plans as well as group and individual tickets.

In addition we experienced an increase in sponsorship and signage revenues as well as an increase in event related revenues from other life supporting events which reflects a favorable mix of event.

This quarter's results included multiple successful Marquee sporting events such as the NCAA East Regional final, the Big East Tournament, Professional Bull Riders and the Golovkin versus Jacob fight.

Lastly, we also saw growth in other and MSG sports revenue line including local media rights fees from MSG networks and professional sports team's food, beverage and merchandise sales.

MSG Sports, third quarter adjusted operating income a $55.9 million dollars, increased 55% on a reported basis or up 19% excluding the impact of NHL expansion fee revenue. The increase in AOI was primarily due to higher revenues partially offset by an increase in direct operating expenses.

The increase in direct operating expenses was led by higher team personnel compensation. As a reminder, in connection with the NBA's new national media rights field, the new salary cap increased significantly this season. The increase in direct operating expenses also reflects higher net provisions for N.B.A. and N.H.L.

revenue sharing expense and hires that related expenses associated with other live sporting events partially offset by decrease in net provisions for team personnel transactions. Lastly, other adjusted operating loss increased by $8 million to a loss of $20.8 million in the fiscal 2017 third quarter.

This increase was primarily due to higher employee compensation and related benefits and higher professional fees including costs related to the TAO Group transaction partially offset by lower provisions for the company's New York state and city council tax.

Turning to TAO Group; as a reminder, we will consolidate TAO Group's operating results in our financial statements on a one quarter lag basis. Since we completed our acquisition of TAO Group on January 31st our fiscal fourth quarter will reflect TAO Group's financial results for the month of February and March.

Further TAO's results will reflect the impact of purchase accounting adjustments that include the recording of amortizable and tangible assets and inventory at a significantly higher value than its original cost. Turning to our balance sheet; as of the March 31st total unrestricted cash and cash equivalents was approximately $1.1 billion.

In addition, there have been no borrowings made under either our $150 million New York Rangers revolving credit facility for our $215 million New York Knicks credit facility.

In terms of the customer share repurchase program; during the third quarter we repurchased approximately 421,000 shares for approximately $76 million dollars at an average price of about $180 per share.

This brings the total repurchases under our current authorization to just under $1.5 million shares for approximately $254 million at an average price of about %168per share. This amount represents 6% of total shares outstanding as of our spend date. With that, I will now turn the call back over to Ari..

Ari Danes Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Treasury

Thanks, Donna. Christy, can we open up the call for questions..

Operator

[Operator Instructions] And your first question is from David Karnovsky of JPMorgan..

David Karnovsky

Good morning. Billboard had an article recently claiming that the Staples Center was attempting to aggressively win back acts that had gone over to the forum.

Are you seeing a step up in competition from the Staples Center and then since AG also manages the Barclays Center how does translate it overall into the New York market?.

Doc O'Connor

I wouldn't say that we've seen a step up in competition overall. I think the competition in the marketplace is L.A., New York have always been there and continue to be there. The fact is we welcome competition. We think competition makes us better at our jobs.

Those two then you have been in the two most competitive markets in the US from the very beginning. And we are seeing record results in both venues. So we are not concerned with the competition. We welcome the competition and both of those venues are thriving in the face of that competition..

David Karnovksy

Okay. And then Doc, I think Sports Business Journal recently quoted you saying that eSports was an area of focus for you. I know you're probably can't get into any specific potential deals but can you just give a high level overview of how you think eSports could potentially fit with Madison Square Garden? Thanks..

Doc O'Connor

Well see eSports as a growing opportunity in the live event space and it remains a significant entry interest to us. And we continue to explore opportunities to enhance our exposure to the growing category.

As you may have seen NBA took a eSport's league today was announced and there are seventeen NBA teams participating in that league including us with the Knicks. And that season is set to debut in 2018. We think that the league is an excellent opportunity to engage the eSports community and help grow the game of basketball.

And we're excited to be involved with the NBA on the development of the league. But we are also aggressively looking into opportunities in the space we had great success with a number of live events at both the forum and The Garden with League of Legends.

So we see a lot of opportunity in the space and we're aggressively pursuing opportunities in the space..

David Karnovksy

Thanks Doc..

Ari Danes Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Treasury

We'll take the next caller Christy?.

Operator

Sure. Your next question is from Brandon Ross with BTIG..

Brandon Ross

Good morning. Thanks for taking the question ;two questions. First one, you've had some successful ticketing initiative such as pulling back tickets from brokers which have been a growth drivers for you guys this year.

Thinking more about the future ticketing, does it makes sense to have continued exclusivity in the retelling of your ticket going forward and Amazon is pushing its ticketing initiatives into the US.

Would you like to see them sell your ticket? And then just on the buyback it's a pretty strong quarter there with the 10b5 is that 10b5 still in place now? Thanks..

Doc O'Connor

I'll let Donna handle the 10b5 questions. On your question regarding ticketing; we have a longstanding and beneficial partnership with Ticketmaster which we're very happy with.

That said you know we're always we always have an eye on innovations in ticketing that can provide us with more efficient direct connection to our customers and also one that improves the customer experience.

So we're continuing to monitor various companies and developments in the ticketing space; all in an effort to drive a better customer experience as well as revenue and profitability. And you know that effort will be can continue. We're engaging with Amazon in many other ticketing platforms on an ongoing basis..

Donna Coleman

Hi, Brandon. Yes, as for share repurchase we did have a good quarter. We made good progress on our authorization. Our 10b5-1 program expires tomorrow and we're currently assessing how to best execute on our price, on our buyback program going forward.

As I said before we remain committed to our program and that reflects the confidence in our growth and our long term asset value. So we're looking at every opportunity there..

Brandon Ross

Great, thank you..

Ari Danes Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Treasury

Thanks Brandon. Christy we'll take the next caller..

Operator

Thanks. Your next question comes from Brian Goldberg with Bank of America..

Brian Goldberg

Thanks. I had a question on the venue expansion strategy.

The press has reported that the group has been on Seattle's, it's the Key Bank Arena redevelopment opportunity and I was just wondering if you'd be able to share with us how this might sit within your venue expansion strategy and what MSG's potential involvement could be in this initiative if hope for you is successful..

Doc O'Connor

Well, that bid is being led by Oak View, not by MSG. So you know we fully support OVG and their development objectives with the Key Arena redevelopment. And we think that that actually is the most compelling and realistic plan to transform that arena into a viable and thriving entertainment destination in Seattle.

And we think that the leadership at OVG namely Tim Lieweke and Irving Azoffof are some of the most talented and capable executives to go execute that plan. So we fully support what they're doing but they are leading that bid and that process and we await the city's response..

Brian Goldberg

Thanks. I had a follow up – I guess on your festival strategy on Boston Calling. It's coming up in a few weeks.

I was hoping you could just give us a little more color in terms of what's changed with the festival since you bought it bought into it and how we should think about its impact to the entertainment segment P&L and in the fiscal fourth quarter. For example, I know you talked about capacity increases.

Roughly how much incremental capacity this year's festival feature and you know has the cost structure change materially given me content enhancements..

Doc O'Connor

Well, everything is, basically everything is new with the Boston Calling event this year. And so we're looking at it as really the festival's first year.

And we're very, we're very happy and feel good about the -- where ticket sales are today and about the about the lineup that they've put together and we feel very good about the critical and financial success of the first year of the festival overall. What has changed is most importantly is the location.

They have an incredible location in the Harvard Athletic Fields which dramatically increases the capacity opportunities we have. We have far more content offerings with the festival. So we believe that this is a complete change and as I said this is in many ways the first year of the festival.

This is also the first year that we've had the synergies with MSG particularly in the sponsorship area. We've seen a nice uptake in sponsorship given the synergies there and we've had success selling sponsorships with our help.

So you know we think that with the new location, new content and new support provided by MSG; we think there's going to be significant upside with this festival and we look forward to sharing more specifics you know in the coming months..

Brian Goldberg

Thanks a lot. That's helpful..

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from John Janedis with Jefferies..

Unidentified Analyst

Hi. Actually thank you. This is Sohan [ph] for John. Just real quick, in February you announced plans to put in your expect acted on IRS until 2018. Can you speak to your motivations in delaying with production and what sort of incremental investment or required of the release..

Doc O'Connor

Okay. We felt that last year's production was successful on many fronts by we felt that there was additional work needed on the production itself. And we felt that we didn't have the time to do that work to make the show better before they start of this year's show. We just felt we ran out of time. So that was the rationale behind the high 8S.

We are currently reviewing the production both from a creative content standpoint and timing. And we'll have more to say about that coming months. We're not going to comment on the costs associated with that. As I said, we're currently reviewing all elements of the show both creative and financial and we'll have more to say about that coming up..

Unidentified Analyst

Got you and in the interim you know what are your plans for this calendar year to replace the spectacular with you know other concert shows..

Doc O'Connor

Well the booking lead time is not optimal. It's short given the timing of the decision but in spite of that we're looking in the hall with a few events we're aggressively looking to the calendar year unfold aggressively looking to fill further events down the road..

Unidentified Analyst

Thank you..

Operator

Thank you. Your next question comes from David Miller with Loop Capital Markets..

David Miller

Yes. Hey guys congratulations on the stellar results.

Doc, I just wanted to ask you about any progress you're making on establishing a residency concert in the Los Angeles market? Obviously the residencies particular Billy Joel, Seinfeld etc have done very well by you in the New York markets it would seem to me that Los Angeles is very similar terms the talent that that might be available that's my guess in asking the question is that I'm probably not thinking about complexities in establishing something like this so just want to understand any role blocks from your side what book are some establish in a Los Angeles residency.

Thanks so much. .

Doc O'Connor

There aren't any specific roadblocks to establishing a residency in Los Angeles other than the right fit the right artist the right opportunities in the marketplace we're looking aggressively into the possibilities of residency in Los Angeles. But I would also say that residency take different forms.

You know the Seinfeld and Billy Joel residencies are one type of residency but you know with the thirteen shows that we've announced with Phish this summer at the arena we consider that a residency as well and there have been many molting you know longstanding shows in Los Angeles and we hope to have some announcements on that front in the not too distant future that will look similar to our fish residency.

So it's a resident sees are something that we innovated and that we are continuing to look to innovate and create in in new markets I would also say that as we look forward towards Las Vegas that residencies will play a very important role and in the utilization of that venue. So it's something we have an eye on.

We have nothing specific to report at this moment in time in Los Angeles but we hope to have something say in there in the not too distant future..

Ari Danes Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Treasury

Thanks for the question David.

Christy, will take the next caller?.

Operator

Sure. Your next question is from Amy Young with Macquarie..

Amy Young

Thank. So two question, there's been a lot of speculation around MSG Networks being acquired. I was just wondering if you could talk to that, if MSG Network is acquired.

Can you touch any change of control provisions you might have to my protect you financially and also any other maybe should keep you can pass it might have on the core business? And my second question is at this point in time what are your priorities of cash as you balance the buybacks and also some growth opportunity. Thank you..

Doc O'Connor

On the MSG Networks question I'm not going to comment or speculate on rumors about another company. But to answer your specific question about our rights deal I can confirm that MSG Networks does not have a change in control terminations right under our rights agreement..

Donna Coleman

In terms of our of our balancing of our use of cash, I think that we've kept our strategy in place pretty much the same since this 10. We think we've done a good balance of share buybacks and investment in growth and we're continuing down the path of that strategy.

I think Doc laid out a lot of the opportunities we're looking at and we're just pretty much staying on course with that..

Amy Young

Got it. Thank you..

Ari Danes Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Treasury

Thanks, Amy.

Christie, will you have time for one last caller?.

Operator

Sure. Your final question comes from David Joyce with Evercore ISI..

John Bolton

Thank you. This is John Bolton on for David with two quick questions.

So first, can you update us on the phasing of CapEx for both TAO in the Las Vegas Sands project? And secondly, how should we think about the live entertainment lineup and how it factors into the model for the next few quarters -- like how broadly should the number of events compare on a year-over-year basis moving forward? Thank you..

Donna Coleman

So could you repeat the second part of that question? Sorry..

John Bolton

Yes, sure.

The second part is how should we think about how the live entertainment lineup factors into the model for the next few quarters? How would the number of events compare on a year-over-year basis?.

Donna Coleman

Well, you know we don't generally give guidance going forward on any of our segments our financial information.

I think what we are pleased with the growth in our entertainment segment this year, not year to date we've had AOIO of $61 million which is a double digit margin in good growth over last year but we generally don't give guidance on a number of events or financial information going forward..

Doc O'Connor

What was the first part of the question? I'm sorry..

John Bolton

The first part of the question was about the CapEx for both TAO and the Las Vegas Sands Project.

How should that phase moving forward?.

Doc O'Connor

I guess I would only say that you know as we've said before the Tao strategy, the TAO methodology is Cap Ex light so we are not looking at large allocations of CapEx towards TAO..

John Bolton

Okay.

And anything on the Las Vegas project?.

Doc O'Connor

We'll have more to say -- you know where we're in concept design at this moment in time and we'll have a whole lot more to say. You'll be hearing from a most definitely when we have when we have design completed and we have something to announce..

John Bolton

Great, thank you..

Operator

Thank you. I'll turn a call back to Ari Danes for any additional or closing remarks..

Ari Danes Senior Vice President of Investor Relations & Treasury

Thanks, Christy. Thanks for joining us and we look forward to speaking with you on our year end conference call. Have a good day..

Operator

Thank you. This does conclude today's conference call. You may now disconnect..

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