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EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT
EARNINGS CALL TRANSCRIPT 2018 - Q3
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Executives

Elyse Lorenzato - Director, Investor Relations Nishan Vartanian - President and CEO Kenneth Krause - SVP, Treasurer, and CFO Bob Leenen - VP and President, MSA Europe and International.

Analysts

Stanley Elliott - Stifel, Nicolaus & Company Richard Eastman - Robert W. Baird Edward Marshall - Sidoti & Company Brian Rafn - Morgan Dempsey.

Operator

Good day, ladies and gentlemen, and welcome to the MSA’s Third Quarter Earnings Call. At this time all lines are in a listen-only mode and the floor will be open for questions following the presentation. [Operator Instructions] It is now my pleasure to introduce today's host, Elyse Lorenzato, Director of Investor Relations. Please begin..

Elyse Lorenzato

Thank you, Kelly. Good morning, everyone and welcome to MSA's third quarter earnings call for 2018. With me here today are Nish Vartanian, President and CEO; and Ken Krause, Senior Vice President, CFO and Treasurer. Our third quarter press release was issued last night and is available on the MSA website at www.msasafety.com.

Before we begin, I'd like to remind everyone that the matters discussed on this call, excluding historical information, are forward-looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995. Forward-looking statements include, but are not limited to, all projections and anticipated levels of future performance.

Forward-looking statements involve risks, uncertainties and other factors that may cause our actual results to differ materially from those discussed here. These risks, uncertainties and other factors are detailed in our filings with the SEC, including our most recent Form 10-K, filed in February 2018.

MSA undertakes no duty to publicly update any forward-looking statements made on this call, except as required by law. We've included certain non-GAAP financial measures as part of our discussion this morning. Reconciliations to the most directly comparable GAAP measures are available on our Investor Relations website at investors.msasafety.com.

With that, I would like to turn the call over to our President and CEO, Nish Vartanian..

Nishan Vartanian

Thank you, Elyse and good morning everyone. I want to begin by saying thank you for joining us this morning, and for your continued interest in MSA. As you saw in our press release that was issued last night, third quarter revenue increased by 12% on a reported basis, or 14% on a constant currency basis.

We continued to see good operating leverage in the quarter with 27% adjusted earnings growth. If you recall, at the end of the second quarter our backlog was trending substantially higher than historical levels on improved demand across our core products.

I am pleased to report that we saw continued strength in incoming orders throughout the third quarter. As a result, our backlog remains at a healthy level heading into the final months of 2018. We have seen some exciting wins in the quarter, which I will talk about in a moment.

But first I will provide you with some insight into key trends and platforms that are driving our growth. And then I will talk about a couple of our innovative new products that are on the horizon. After that I will turn it over to Ken for a financial review and then we will conclude the call with our question-and-answer session.

In the third quarter, we continued to invest in programs that support our growth and focus initiative, which is centered on investing to achieve market leadership in our core products in markets, while improving profitability.

We are highly focused on executing this strategy and as you can see in our R&D run rate, we continue to invest in new product development projects that will position us for continued market share growth.

Of course, we are also focused on investing in other enabling programs such as digital marketing and enhancing our go-to-market strategy via channels optimization.

Collectively, these customer facing programs and our new product development investments, as well as productivity improvements, are fueling MSA's profitable growth and value creation in 2018. Regarding our core product portfolio, we saw solid performance as core product revenue in the quarter increased 14% in constant currency.

It was good to see another quarter of strong growth across firefighter safety, gas detection and our industrial core PPE business, which includes hard hats and fall protection. On the SCBA side, we continue to see good traction in the replacement cycle in the U.S.

We were recently awarded contracts with several large fire departments including Memphis Fire Department and Prince William County Fire Department for a total of over $11 million. Each of these customers opted to purchase our integrated thermal imaging camera or iTIC technology.

In fact, the iTIC technology was a key differentiator for each department as they evaluated our G1 SCBA platform. We continue to raise the bar to protect firefighters with technology that has the potential to save lives and the MSA iTIC reflects a cost-effective way to put lifesaving thermal imaging capabilities into the hands of every firefighter.

While the G1 SCBA is the market leader in North America, we have a broad range of SCBA products that address global fire service market preferences, standards and price points. And at the end of the quarter we achieved an exciting milestone to further developing that SCBA offering by unveiling our new M1 SCBA at the French Firefighters Congress.

As you may have seen in our press release, the M1 SCBA is designed for European and international markets. Among its many features and benefits the M1 SCBA can be customized and configured to meet a broad range of firefighter needs and brigade budgets.

Utilizing the winning design platform that is the foundation of the G1 success, the M1 was likewise designed with countless hours of voice of customer research. And as a result the M1 SCBA represents the most advanced and ergonomic SCBA we have ever launched for our international markets.

For instance, this new platform has a number of differentiating features that help to enhance hygiene, improve wearer comfort and balance and reduce total cost of ownership for our customers.

It is also compatible with our G1 SCBA facepiece allowing us to offer international customers market-leading technology, while gaining scale with this facepiece on a global basis. Our international sales teams are receiving very positive feedback from the market.

In fact, we already won our first significant contract with the fire brigade in the Netherlands, and we expect to begin production on the M1 by the end of this year at our manufacturing facility in Berlin.

Switching gears to the industrial side of the business, we saw solid growth in head protection, gas detection and fall protection in the quarter throughout the world.

Our V-Gard hard hat continues to support our market-leading position and we are leveraging that strong brand to capture market share in another area of personal protective equipment, fall protection.

We introduced our V series line of fall protection products earlier this year, which represented another year of rapid innovation and product launches in fall protection, which remains the largest and fastest-growing area of the sophisticated safety products market.

In the third quarter, we expanded this focus and launched the V-FLEX full body harness. The V-FLEX is a racing style harness that delivers exceptional comfort and fit for long days on the job, so workers can focus on the task at hand.

It is significantly lighter than competitive offerings and has innovative features like breathable shoulder padding and horizontal leg straps. At MSA, we are committed to driving safety and productivity for our customers. When fall protection harnesses are more comfortable and easier to use, customers are more likely to wear them.

Very simply, customer drives compliance in many cases, and the design of our V-FLEX and V series products keeps workers comfortable all day, everyday. Innovation is the lifeblood of MSA and it is the core competency that underpins our growth in focus program.

In the quarter, more than 35% of our total revenue was products developed and launched over the past five years. Notably, the G1 SCBA, ALTAIR portable gas detection line, and x5000, s5000 fixed gas monitors were significant contributors to our vitality metric in the quarter.

As I mentioned at the beginning of my commentary, we continued to invest in R&D and demand creation programs to bring our innovative markets to the marketplace and get them into our customers’ hands. Before I turn the call over to Ken for his financial review, I wanted to briefly comment on the performance in our geographic reporting segments.

If you've been following the MSA story, that improving profitability in our international segment is a key priority for 2018 and beyond. Our leadership team continues to focus on executing a number of initiatives to streamline our operations and reduce complexity across this segment.

In the quarter, our international segment had revenue growth of 11% as reported, or 14% in constant currency. Bob's Leenen’s team also achieved operating margin expansion of 150 basis points continuing the solid improvements we saw in the first half of this year.

We continue to make progress in our go-to-market strategy, which we have discussed as our channel optimization program. In the quarter, our international team signed contracts with several new channel partners, and we continue to focus on improving the effectiveness of our sales organization across this segment.

While we are still in the early stages of these go-to-market improvements, we are making good progress and moving in the right direction. Lastly, before I turn the call over to Ken I would like to recognize our associates and leadership team at our plant in Jacksonville, North Carolina.

You saw the destruction that Hurricane Florence had on the region. While all our associates are safe, their homes suffered varying degrees of damage. Our facility had minimal damage and we were back up and running within two weeks thanks in large part to the dedication of our team in Jacksonville.

Because the team was able to restore operations quickly, this storm did not have material impact on our quarterly financial performance. Our Jacksonville associates response represents the commitment and customer focused mindset that I believe truly defines the MSA spirit and culture that exists throughout the world.

And that as much as anything is a driver to our results as well. With that I'll turn the call over to Ken for a financial review. Ken..

Kenneth Krause

Thanks Nish and good morning everyone. Before I begin the P&L review, I'd like to start with a few financial highlights. The revenue growth was 14% in the quarter with organic revenue growth of 13% driven by strong growth across the portfolio.

Operating margin of 17.2% increased 120 basis points from a year ago, with improvements in both of our reporting segments. We continued to make good progress in improving the efficiency of our business with another quarter of gross profit expansion and SG&A leverage while continuing to invest in R&D.

Incremental operating margins have been approaching 30% over the last 12 months and continued at that level in the quarter. Those incremental margins are inclusive of booking an additional $4 million in variable incentive compensation in the quarter to account for our strong financial performance and increasing R&D expense by 8%.

The profitability profile of our business has certainly changed but we continue to invest in the new products, technology and talent to drive our results. Despite those investments, we are realizing strong leverage as we bring on revenue volume. Free cash flow generation was strong at $111 million in the quarter.

Free cash flow conversion continues to exceed 100% of net income despite seeing such strong organic growth in the business. Now I would like to take some time to walk you through our quarterly financial results. Total revenue increased 14% in the quarter in constant currency with growth in nearly all core products.

We had a 2% foreign currency headwind on revenue in the quarter mostly related to the weaker Brazilian real compared to this time last year. We continue to see solid results in head protection, portable gas detection and fall protection in the quarter, which all posted double-digit revenue increases on strong performance across our global footprint.

In the past, we have discussed how these shorter cycle businesses respond more quickly to improving business conditions, while fixed gas and flame detection orders typically lag the cycle and are more tied to projects and capital investments. That trend is materializing as expected.

We have seen a good pickup in FGFD orders and shipments in the quarter, notably in North America and China. In the fire service area of our business, we had good performance in SCBA this quarter, and we continue to see ongoing benefits from the replacement cycle with competitive convergence and retention of large customers as Nish mentioned.

Revenue from Turn Out Gear from Globe was also strong in the quarter, and we continue to make good inroads with channel synergies as we progress with the integration of that asset. Gross profit of 44.8% was up 20 basis points in the quarter, which includes 60 basis points of dilution from Globe.

It is good to see the underlying improvement in margins despite seeing inflationary pressures. SG&A expense was $78 million in the quarter or 23.6% of sales compared to $73 million or 24.6% of sales a year ago.

Approximately half of the increase in SG&A this quarter is related to higher levels of variable incentive compensation associated with our strong financial performance. Our teams around the world are executing and driving profitable growth and improving cash flow.

As a leadership team, we are glad to reward those efforts and encourage continued progress with our incentive compensation programs. The remainder of the increase is primarily in revenue generating investments and is helping drive the organic revenue growth and capture market share.

While we remain committed in investing in customer facing areas in R&D to capture market share against this strong backdrop we continue to evaluate additional cost reduction and productivity improvement programs for our business in light of the inflationary environment that we expect to continue into Q4 and 2019.

GAAP operating income was $40 million or 12.1% of sales in the quarter, which includes $50 million of other operating expense related to cumulative trauma product liability.

During the quarter, we learnt more information about certain asserted claims through our defense efforts, which led to an increase in our asserted claims product liability reserve.

Excluding foreign currency, restructuring, strategic transaction costs, and product liability expense adjusted operating margin was 17.2%, improving 120 basis points from a year ago. For the year-to-date period, adjusted operating margin is 17%, which is up 180 basis points.

It is encouraging to see the improvement in margins and notably in the Americas where sequential margins are up 150 basis points to 24.6%. It was good to see the recovery in margins on a sequential basis in the Americas despite absorbing higher variable compensation expense on the improved operating performance.

On a trailing 12 month basis, adjusted EBITDA is $271 million or 20% of sales increasing 27% from a year ago on a 17% increase in revenue. Our GAAP effective tax rate was 11% for the quarter, which includes favorable adjustments related to US tax reform, as well as a benefit from the product liability expense we recorded in the quarter.

On an adjusted normalized basis, our ETR was 19.2% in the quarter and it's trending at 23% year-to-date. We continue to plan for our full year effective tax rate to be between 23% and 24% in line with what we previously communicated to you.

In addition to driving the lower ETR US tax reform has also provided us with the ability to repatriate foreign cash. Year-to-date we have brought back nearly $60 million and we are on track to reach our cash repatriation goal of $75 million to $100 million by the end of the year.

GAAP net income was $34 million in the quarter compared to $32 million a year ago. Quarterly adjusted earnings were $45 million or $1.16 per share compared to $0.92 per share a year ago.

The earnings growth of 27% is just about double the pace of revenue growth driven by good gross margin performance in our core business, our ongoing focus on productivity, accretive acquisitions, and the benefits of US tax reform. Free cash flow was $111 million in the quarter compared to $37 million a year ago.

The current quarter includes $58 million of net inflows from insurance receivables compared to a prior year that reflected net outflows of $5 million. With and without the benefits of those insurance collections, free cash flow conversion was over 100% in the quarter on strong working capital management despite the accelerated organic revenue growth.

The strong cash flow enabled us to pay down $38 million of debt in the quarter and fund $15 million in dividends to our shareholders.

While cash repatriation allows us to tap into offshore cash more efficiently, it is the strong underlying improvements in operating cash flow that has allowed us to delever, fund an increasing dividend, and remain well positioned to execute on growth investments.

Debt-to-EBITDA is 1.4 times at the end of the third quarter compared to 2 times at year end. It has been just over a year since the Globe acquisition, and our current leverage is relatively consistent with our pre-acquisition leverage in the second quarter of 2017, which was 1.3 times.

We also refinanced our credit facility during the quarter and the new credit facility we put in place in the quarter provides us with the flexibility to continue investing in profitable growth programs.

I am pleased with the double-digit revenue growth in the third quarter, the sustained improvements in incremental operating margins and the free cash flow conversion of more than 100%. Looking forward, if you recall, we had a record-breaking fourth quarter in 2017 in terms of revenue and earnings.

While I expect that strong comparable period to put some pressures on the Q4 growth rate we are well-positioned heading into the fourth quarter. With that I'll turn the call back over to Nish for some concluding commentary. Nish..

Nishan Vartanian

Thank you Ken. I'm pleased with the strong performance in the quarter. We had double-digit organic revenue growth, solid expense leverage and adjusted earnings growth of 27%. The sustained levels of demand that we are seeing in the industrial and energy markets, as well as the fire service are encouraging as we prepare to close out 2018.

The momentum in the order book, our healthy backlog, streamlined cost structure and benefits we are seeing from tax reform all provide confidence that we are well positioned to continue driving profitable growth and value creation for our shareholders. Thank you for your attention this morning.

At this time, Steve Blanco, President of the Americas segment, has joined us in the room and we will be happy to take any questions you may have. Please remember that MSA doesn't give guidance and that precludes most discussion related to our expectations for future sales and earnings. Having said that we will now open up the call for your questions..

Operator

Thank you. [Operator Instructions] And our first question comes from Stanley Elliott from Stifel. Mr. Elliott please go ahead with your question..

Stanley Elliott

Hey good morning everyone. Thank you for taking my question and congratulations.

On the European or the international business rather you just talked about the X1 just coming online but the breathing apparatus in international is up, it looks like 23%, is that success that you are having with the G1 internationally and so that we should think about the new products being on top of that or kind of help us with the moving pieces there?.

Nishan Vartanian

Good morning Stanley. That's the M1 breathing apparatus that we are launching and we will begin to ship here in the fourth quarter a bit later this year. What you are seeing is some business that we announced that we won earlier this year.

It was a $10 million order out of Australia and we shipped about half of that order in the third quarter and the balance sheet going to the fourth quarter. So we have a product that competes nicely in the marketplace and around world and do quite well. But the M1 will take things to another level for us..

Stanley Elliott

My apologizes to the product development guys for just called the wrong mix.

Can you talk a little bit about the M&A environment? What are you seeing out there? You guys have typically done a very nice job of finding kind of right bolt on acquisitions that well went in the portfolio with leverage approaching where it is now, can you help us kind of frame out the opportunities if you could?.

Nishan Vartanian

So we continue to entertain lots of opportunities. Ken and I spend a lot of time on the M&A side. But we are fairly selective in that area.

The targets we are looking at, they have to have a good fit from a product standpoint, geographical standpoint, certainly within markets that we understand, we have pretty tight criteria around, the revenue growth profile and what we can bring to that acquisition or that target.

The EBITDA margin, we have some pretty tight parameters around what we look for, for acquisitions and we have been very successful obviously with globe in the last acquisition was a real nice fit in the market that we know quite well and fit product wise where we want to extend our coverage of the firefighter.

So we continue to look for those opportunities Stanley and have several in the pipeline, it's just a matter of timing and getting people to sell their business obviously. The valuations are fairly high at this point, but we do see some nice opportunities and targets in the marketplace. Ken, heads up our corporate development.

Ken if you want to add anything to that feel free to..

Kenneth Krause

Yes, the only thing I would add Nish is that were positioned very well as you mentioned Stanley our leverage ratios are certainly at a level that will allow us to continue to execute in the M&A environment, but with that said we will continue to be disciplined.

We've been disciplined in the past and we'll continue to maintain that discipline as we execute on this strategy going forward..

Stanley Elliott

Perfect, and then I know you guys don't give forward guidance but certainly a lot of volatility and at least in the stock market right now. I think and concerns about a slowing economy.

It doesn't sound like that that's anything that you are seeing in and that I don't want to put words in your mouth but not seeing in your book of business or necessarily any concerns that you'll would have thinking about into 2019?.

Nishan Vartanian

Stanley, we see solid fundamentals throughout our businesses and the investments we're making really give us confidence about the future. So we aren't seeing any slowdown and we expect business to pair along nicely..

Stanley Elliott

Perfect guys. Thanks and best of luck..

Operator

Thank you and our next question we have is from Richard Eastman from Baird. Please go ahead with your question Mr. Eastman..

Richard Eastman

Yes. Good morning.

Could I ask you if you could just parse through a little bit your backlog comments and again the backlog here generally pertains to some of your maybe a little longer cycle businesses around the fixed gas and flame for instance and it looks to me when I look at this when I look at your numbers that your short-term businesses have good momentum and the backlog here as it relates to the longer, maybe longer cycle businesses, maybe you could just kind of parse through that a little bit.

Is that is that kind of the right way to think about this when you talk about backlog and order growth or how are you feeling about the short-cycle businesses relative to the longer maybe the longer cycle?.

Nishan Vartanian

Yes, good morning Rick. Yes, you're absolutely thinking of it the right way. The way to think about the backlog is that we had a very large backlog of breathing apparatus coming into 2018. What we've seen is a very healthy rotation of that backlog. We shipped a lot of those breathing apparatus throughout the year.

We mentioned the Australian order which we've talked about in the past and a couple other big orders that we saw here in the third quarter will ship between the third and fourth quarter.

So we've seen some nice rotation of that backlog at these very healthy levels moving into more fixed gas and flame detection products and we talked about in the past as these economic expansion cycles and the energy markets continue at a healthy pace that project type business continues starts to kick in and we start to see the fixed gas and flame detection part of the business come pick up for us and that's exactly what we've seen.

What's also interesting is while you do see some significant growth of around 15% in fall protection and 13% in portable gas detection 11% in head protection those areas are also seeing backlog pick up just a bit. If fall protection for instance our backlog which isn't significant like it would be in some other areas actually double.

So that business is very healthy while we had a strong third quarter from an invoicing standpoint in fall protection that backlog picked up significantly and we typically for hard hats we like to deliver logo hard hats in typically three or four days and that actually peaked at about six days and we were able to get it back down to five days and which is within three to five day range that we look for.

So we're seeing strength in all of the areas with our backlog in a nice rotation. I do expect to see some strength here with breathing apparatus and hoping that we go into the first quarter with a nice backlog of breathing apparatus because the assistance for firefighter grants for release and we are seeing a pickup in that business once again..

Richard Eastman

I see okay. Excellent. And could you circling back for a second to the M1 that was just recently introduced, sounds very exciting. Can you talk a little bit about what that market looks like say, yes we address Europe the channel to the fire service departments if you will within these various countries.

I assume it doesn't look like what we have in the U.S. where we have a really defined distribution base.

So your introduction of the M1 into the European market and international market is that more of a direct sale than or is there, are there provincial channels within countries that you can tap into and make a bigger impact earlier?.

Nishan Vartanian

Based on the part of the world it really varies. So in the European markets we do have some very good channels of distribution into the fire service and in various countries throughout Latin America we have very well-developed channels of distribution and in fact China we have some good channels.

There are some other areas some of those emerging markets where we do take some orders on a direct basis but because of our market position we do quite well internationally with breathing apparatus and of course the Cairns or the Gallet firefighting helmet, the X1F helmet is a leading product around the world and that's sold through our fire service distribution network.

So we have a very well developed network of distribution throughout the world..

Richard Eastman

Okay. Okay.

You see, are the financials and the margin profile of the M1 similar enough to the G1 here domestically that we should not expect any sort of mix issue there from a profit standpoint?.

Nishan Vartanian

Yes, the margin profile is very much in line with what we have in the U.S. and our current product offering. It's like probably be slightly better in our current product offering in the international market but from a pure volume standpoint the price per unit is significantly different.

The NFPA compliant of CBA has much more from a standpoint of electronics and other features built into that device. So when you are selling an NFPA compliant breathing apparatus that may sell three times, 3x from a revenue standpoint more per unit than M1 type unit..

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Nishan Vartanian

Ken do you have that number in front of you?.

Kenneth Krause

The only thing I would say is I don't see a major change in demand. European sales were up about 8% in the quarter. So we continue to see pretty good robust level of demand coming in from our European operating segment..

Richard Eastman

Okay and Ken that's in LC? Local currency?.

Kenneth Krause

That's right..

Richard Eastman

Okay. And then just last question [indiscernible], Nish when you look at the coverage ratios and you addressed this a little bit kind of in the acquisition kind of pipeline commentary but again we are down to literally about one times or coverage ratio is down to about one times our net debt.

I am curious is there any other thoughts there around returning capital to shareholders either a bigger dividend, a dividend increase some buyback activity. I am just curious because the leverage ratio obviously is gotten low again..

Nishan Vartanian

We are really not changing our thoughts around that area. We think that we do a nice job in investing in the business from an R&D standpoint where organically we can grow this business at a healthy rate.

We continue to think that we – there are some opportunities for acquisition and then of course a piece we have for our dividend rate that we have increased that dividend on an annual basis for, I would imagine 50 years or so I think is our track record.

So really we don't see that changing much and of course we have a stock buyback program that's in place that we do use periodically to offset some of the dilution that we have in the stock of course. Ken feel free to add..

Kenneth Krause

The only thing I would add is the payout as a percentage of free cash flow is around 25% to 30% in the quarter and then year to date it's around 35% to 40%, so we think it's a pretty sustainable level, we'll certainly continue to look at the dividend and be responsible just as we have over the past as Nish indicated 50 or so years but we'll certainly continue to look at that and sure we share with our shareholders..

Richard Eastman

Got you. Okay. Great. Thank you and good to see the top line for sure..

Nishan Vartanian

Thank you Rick. .

Operator

Our next question we have is from Edward Marshall from Sidoti. Mr. Marshall please go ahead with your question..

Edward Marshall

Yes. Hi guys how are you? Good morning. Just I wanted to ask about the organic fire down 16% on a consolidated. First I'm assuming that SCBA runs through breathing apparatus which makes sense but what's going on specifically in the fire that we talked about from this drive in that organic growth revenue..

Kenneth Krause

What we are seeing there Ed is, it's a matter of large opportunities, large tender bids. A year ago we had several large tender bids especially internationally that really boosted our business. This year those have been, we haven't seen those and in fact I think the first one we've seen was recently in Brazil.

We had a recent win in the Brazilian market, we just haven't seen the large bids. So we haven't had those to win nor have we lost any. That's a flip side but we do see some of those come through. We just signed off on a big quote here recently for a customer in the European market.

So we just see that as the cycle in the marketplace with those large tenders..

Edward Marshall

Got it. So you're just saying it's tougher comps. Is there anything that we should be concerned about with not seeing a number of voters being floaters.

Is that a periodic thing that kind of long – becomes tends to be a little bit lumpy?.

Nishan Vartanian

No, that's a periodic thing and it does tend to be lumpy. It's not an area of concern for us. Also coupled into that and I should add that our Jacksonville plant does manufacturer the Cairns helmet and we did see a little impact of some business that's pushed into the fourth quarter but not overly significant but probably in a million-dollar range..

Edward Marshall

Got it. Okay. And then on the energy business it looks like you have some pretty decent growth there and I'm curious we've heard from several service companies that the fourth quarter looks a little bit choppy as take away capacity as they call it or budget exhaustion kind of pushed up.

Have you seen any kind of indication that there might be softness in energy coming into the fourth quarter here and I don't want to get too close to guidance but I'm just kind of curious what you're seeing?.

Nishan Vartanian

None whatsoever and we're not seeing any slowdown at all..

Edward Marshall

Got it and then the 14.6 million other expense, Ken what was included in that 4.6 million. .

Kenneth Krause

The bulk of that is associated with what I had called out is the change in our estimated our reserve for asserted claims.

So our defense efforts, when we went through our defense efforts in the quarter and we continue to learn more about the claims that were asserted against MSA until we increased our asserted claim liability and the bulk of that $15 million associated with that. The residual was just related to defense efforts.

So defense efforts of around $2 million to $3 million..

Edward Marshall

Litigation. Okay. Perfect. Thanks guys. I appreciate it..

Nishan Vartanian

Thank you Ed..

Operator

And our next question we have is from Brian Rafn from Morgan Dempsey. Mr. Rafn, please go ahead with your question..

Brian Rafn

Good morning guys..

Nishan Vartanian

Good morning Brian..

Kenneth Krause

Good morning Brian..

Brian Rafn

Yes.

Give me a sense you talked a little bit Nish, 3x with the M1 is that a little more of an analog design less electronics and what is the ability of that SCBA to accessorize like you do the G1 here in the U.S.?.

Nishan Vartanian

Good question. So the M1 stands for modular. So modular design it's a modular design unit. So we're able to think of building blocks on the self-contained breathing apparatus. So we're able to get in and win some bids on a base set up, base unit.

It has very little from an electronic standpoint and heads-up display and some of the features that you see on the unit that we sell in the North American market, but that M1 has capabilities to build off that platform.

So once we get into departments the idea is to go in and up-sell those customers in later years where we can add some additional features to improve protection for firefighters.

So that's the entire idea behind a design of the unit but the initial bids as you go into win departments those are fairly streamlined units and they are featured up as you see here.

What's kind of interesting is I mentioned Brazil on fire helmets earlier we received our first large order in Brazil the Sao Paulo fire department in the past they had used the international type self-contained breathing apparatus, the EN approved product.

A few years back we were pretty aggressive in going into that market and showing them the G1 capabilities, and in Chile the Chilean fire department has used the NFPA compliant unit and we have received our first order for G1 self-contained breathing apparatus out of Sao Paulo. It was about $900,000 order.

So we are beginning to show the NFPA compliant unit around the world and the capabilities of the unit but the reality is the standards and some of the budgets are not quite ready for that but we do try to sell up because the reality is those products do provide better protection for firefighters having that integrated thermal imaging capability and in some of the electronics on the breathing apparatus.

So as we visit customers we do try to show some of those additional features..

Brian Rafn

So you guys really have to educate the international on the technology then what more so than in the U.S..

Nishan Vartanian

That's correct..

Brian Rafn

Okay.

If you look at the globe acquisition on the turnout gear, now that globe is under the MSA umbrella have you been able to leverage sales at all packaging, bundling cross-selling or has the sales growth been really similar to maybe a pre acquisition legacy rate at globe?.

Nishan Vartanian

I think the latter. It's really been more pre-acquisition. The legacy growth rate of globe.

What’s really helped us is we have had some globe distributors pick up the MSA self-contained breathing apparatus and fire helmets and so that's helped us a bit on that side of the business and there are some MSA distributors who carry competitive turnout gear who are looking to pick up globe, but at this point the synergy sales sort of speak that's probably been in that $4 million to $5 million range for us at this point but we do expect that to pick up here in the next couple of years.

On the MSA side of the business for breathing apparatus and of course fire helmets and then of course some globe product going through MSA distribution..

Kenneth Krause

The only thing I would add Nish is – the only thing I would add is when you look at the multiple that we paid for globe, we paid nine to ten times and a year after acquisition our adjusted multiple is around seven times.

So we've seen some good – we've seen some synergies come through on the cost side in addition to what Nish alluded to on the revenue and the channel side..

Brian Rafn

Yes. Super. I appreciate the color on that.

Getting back to the G1 as we've gotten through the period where the [pent-up] demand has been [indiscernible], as you look right now on kind of the run rate are you seeing a normalized bid quote activity normalized patterns of order? Is there any differentiation between rural volunteer fire departments versus more of the urban salaried forces? What are you seeing on the G1?.

Nishan Vartanian

The business is pretty consistent. The pipeline is fairly full. We have pretty good line of sight to evaluations that are ongoing. I can tell you I'll leave this call and go downstairs and visit two large city fire departments that are here as part of our evaluation for a tour. That's in the pipeline. We're pretty confident about those two departments.

So the pipeline remains pretty full and in the replacement activity continues at a real good pace for us..

Brian Rafn

Excellent and then Ken you talked about the repatriation [you said 75 million or 80 millions] that earmark for CapEx? Is it an earmark or dividend? Is there anything that you're looking to allocate?.

Kenneth Krause

Brian, we target between 75 million and 100 million for the year and we remain committed to a very balanced approach to capital allocation.

That's consistent with what we've done for a number of years and it is inclusive of our investments for growth and continuing to fund our R&D as well as some of our M&A efforts combined with our continued discipline with respect to the dividend and that debt service..

Brian Rafn

Okay and I missed your opening comments.

Anything on the inflation front, materials SG&A payroll anything you see Ken that's an outlier?.

Kenneth Krause

I wouldn't say anything as an outlier just as every other industrial and other companies are facing inflationary pressures are certainly there but what we've said and consistently said to our investors is that we continue to aggressively price our products and we've been very successful to date and expect to continue to be successful at passing along inflation through the form of higher prices.

In the quarter we saw a good gross margin performance, this up about 20 basis points and up about 80 basis points when you exclude the impact of the lower margin globe product. So we continue to see another quarter of good margin performance and we continue to plan for that going forward..

Brian Rafn

Superb job guys. Thanks again..

Nishan Vartanian

Thank you..

Operator

All right. [Operator Instructions] And it looks like we have no further questions. I will turn it back to you Elyse Lorenzato for final comments..

Elyse Lorenzato

Thank you Kelly. Seeing that we have no more questions that will conclude today's call. If you missed the portion of the call an audio replay and transcripts will be available on our Investor Relations website for the next 90 days.

On behalf of our entire team here I want to thank you again for joining us this morning and we look forward to talking with you again soon..

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